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http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0213/p01s02-ussc.html

Call me extreme but I think all people who are racist for no good reason should get a good taste of their own medicine. :mad: The Nazi regime ended long ago, theres no reason to be killing people because of their ethnicity in whats supposed to be a civilization. Doing the things these racist murderers do breaks the social contract.

isn't that article talking about primarily 'black on black' or gangland murders rather than explicitly racially motivated ones?

I agree that racists need to be stopped (though the idea of killing them is not ok at all), but what does your article have to do with racism or rednecks?

isn't that article talking about primarily 'black on black' or gangland murders rather than explicitly racially motivated ones?

Yeah, but don't let facts get in the way of a good social cause. /sarcasm.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0213/p01s02-ussc.html

Call me extreme but I think all people who are racist for no good reason should get a good taste of their own medicine. :mad: The Nazi regime ended long ago, theres no reason to be killing people because of their ethnicity in whats supposed to be a civilization. Doing the things these racist murderers do breaks the social contract.

First, Im going to object to the combination of rednecks and nazi's. I live inrural missouri now and I find real "rednecks" to be much more lacking in racial division than I saw among the yuppies and gangs when I lived in St. Louis.

Secondly, what are you talking about? Maybe I didnt read the article closely enough, but I saw nothing about racial violence. The violence seemed to be the result of condensed poverty, lack of education, and gang power.

You do know that these crimes are black-on-black, right?

There aren't busloads of KKK members rushing in to the inner city to kill black people...these are black criminals preying on other members of their own community. If anything, this just goes to show how bad things are in the inner city.

There aren't busloads of KKK members rushing in to the inner city to kill black people...

It'd be funny to see them try, though.

possibly this violence is incited/perpetrated by all the blind black white-supremacists. redneck, nazi, racist, and black-on-black. everyone in the thread can be happy.

that's a chappelle reference for anyone who didn't get it.

It'd be funny to see them try, though.

A giggle might escape me ...

It'd be funny to see them try, though.

Yeah, the only group equally or better armed than KKK rednecks are inner-city gangsters.

Maybe that's what we should do...let those two groups of losers fight each other to death and allow their communities to be free of the lot of them. I think pretty much everyone would benefit.

Yeah, the only group equally or better armed than KKK rednecks are inner-city gangsters.

Maybe that's what we should do...let those two groups of losers fight each other to death and allow their communities to be free of the lot of them. I think pretty much everyone would benefit.

My meaning was more how the KKK worked by outnumbering and being better armed than those they terrorised. However, if they went into the inner city, they'd be outnumbered and far worse armed. I doubt they'd even last an hour.

My meaning was more how the KKK worked by outnumbering and being better armed than those they terrorised. However, if they went into the inner city, they'd be outnumbered and far worse armed. I doubt they'd even last an hour.

I don't know, I kind of saw the KKK as being well armed. Not to mention all the neo-Nazis and militamen that would tag along with them and bolster their numbers.

I don't know, I kind of saw the KKK as being well armed. Not to mention all the neo-Nazis and militamen that would tag along with them and bolster their numbers.

I was just going with the KKK themselves, which are horribly unorganized. The entire group pretty much fell apart. If you add in the neo-Nazis and militiamen, then it would be a horrid bloodbath. The KKK alone, however, would get a taste of their own medicine.

It'd be funny to see them try, though.
I'm getting a mental image of a number of guys in bedsheets trying to make it through a bus door and having problems bending down enough to get their white pointy hats inside without knocking themselves over.

I'm getting a mental image of a number of guys in bedsheets trying to make it through a bus door and having problems bending down enough to get their white pointy hats inside without knocking themselves over.

I'm thinking about the Blazing Saddles toll booth. Or the Oakland Bay Bridge, it's just as slow.

I was just going with the KKK themselves, which are horribly unorganized. The entire group pretty much fell apart. If you add in the neo-Nazis and militiamen, then it would be a horrid bloodbath. The KKK alone, however, would get a taste of their own medicine.

Racists are generally cowards, so I imagine they'd try and get as many people as possible to go along with them.

There aren't busloads of KKK members rushing in to the inner city to kill black people...

Last I heard the KKK was doing fine up north, and targeting Mexican Illegals. Can't seem to find a bunch down here anyone would take seriously.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0213/p01s02-ussc.html

Call me extreme but I think all people who are racist for no good reason should get a good taste of their own medicine. :mad: The Nazi regime ended long ago, theres no reason to be killing people because of their ethnicity in whats supposed to be a civilization. Doing the things these racist murderers do breaks the social contract.

1)Your title is "Down with the Rednecks." Pardon me if I inject some truth into this, but isn't Philly a little far north of 'Bama? :rolleyes:

2)There's nothing in here about racism... If you wanted to make a good thread, you'd put in a title called "Down with the Gangs" and not rednecks...

way to miss the point of the article entirely.

Did you read the article or just the title of the article?

Did you read the article or just the title of the article?

I'm sorry, when I hear about gangs and racism I remember being bullied by rednecks and such so whenever an article comes up involving murder of specific ethnicity I get enraged and instead of verifying facts I go on an angry post rampage (I am a Filipino who keeps getting mistaken for a black). I'll try to ovoid doing this in the future and read things through.

This from the same poster that wanted to start up a group of "Knights in Shining Armour" to save women from abuse by getting them some good old vigilante justice. And man, them thar rednecks in the ghetto sure are killing them some black men good.

I am a Filipino I'm going to totally be racist here and say...this so far is your one redeeming quality.

Careful around here...NS is like a shark pool...misspost and lose a limb...

This from the same poster that wanted to start up a group of "Knights in Shining Armour" to save women from abuse by getting them some good old vigilante justice. And man, them thar rednecks in the ghetto sure are killing them some black men good.

Your point is?

Racists like Nazis and KKK are violent, only with violence can they be subdues, its the only thing they understand.

I'm going to totally be racist here and say...this so far is your one redeeming quality.

Careful around here...NS is like a shark pool...misspost and lose a limb...

So are you telling me your a redneck bastard who deserves to be executed?

Your point is?

Racists like Nazis and KKK are violent, Apparently so are some anti-racists.


only with violence can they be subdued, its the only thing they understand.

Yes, this is what both sides say about the other.

Apparently so are some anti-racists.



Yes, this is what both sides say about the other.

Both sides agree that fighting it out is the only way, let them go for it. Just as long as neutrals are left unharmed. Besides anti-racists are more justified because racists break the natural human rule of territoriality. This is the USA where race and ethnicity don't matter, acts f racism are technically a federal offense, thus making anti-racists freedom fighters.

Both sides agree that fighting it out is the only way, let them go for it. Just as long as neutrals are left unharmed.

Anti-racists and racists should duel to the death while the 'neutrals' cheer them on?

What the fuck are you smoking?

Anti-racists and racists should duel to the death while the 'neutrals' cheer them on?

What the fuck are you smoking?

Neutrals should stay out of the way. Stop twisting my words. And my previous post expounds my reasoning on the matter.

Neutrals should stay out of the way. Stop twisting my words. And my previous post expounds my reasoning on the matter.


Uh... what exactly are you claiming is "Logic". I haven't seen it. All you've promoted is more bloodshed. That's not the answer.

Call me extreme

No problem, since you are. You title you thread with a bigoted term (redneck), so you are a bigoted extremist.

but I think all people who are racist for no good reason should get a good taste of their own medicine. :mad:

I'll include you, since you're also a bigot.

The Nazi regime ended long ago, theres no reason to be killing people because of their ethnicity in whats supposed to be a civilization. Doing the things these racist murderers do breaks the social contract.

Your steriotyping jump to conclusions compounds your bigotry.

I agree that racists need to be stopped (though the idea of killing them is not ok at all), but what does your article have to do with racism or rednecks?

Nothing. He's just being bigoted himself.

First, Im going to object to the combination of rednecks and nazi's. I live inrural missouri now and I find real "rednecks" to be much more lacking in racial division than I saw among the yuppies and gangs when I lived in St. Louis.

Secondly, what are you talking about? Maybe I didnt read the article closely enough, but I saw nothing about racial violence. The violence seemed to be the result of condensed poverty, lack of education, and gang power.

Indeed.

I'm going to totally be racist here and say...this so far is your one redeeming quality.

Careful around here...NS is like a shark pool...misspost and lose a limb...

And there's blood in the water... :D

So are you telling me your a redneck bastard who deserves to be executed?

His redneck neeeds to be executed. So you now advocate slavery and genocide? You're worse than the KKK. They don't even go there.

Uh... what exactly are you claiming is "Logic". I haven't seen it. All you've promoted is more bloodshed. That's not the answer.

It nearly worked when 'ol Abraham did it. If he wasn't assassinated we would be in a country without racial bigotry.

Neutrals should stay out of the way. Stop twisting my words. And my previous post expounds my reasoning on the matter.

Uh... what exactly are you claiming is "Logic". I haven't seen it. All you've promoted is more bloodshed. That's not the answer.

I looked over it, and "logic" doesn't seem to appear in his post.... ;)

It nearly worked when 'ol Abraham did it. If he wasn't assassinated we would be in a country without racial bigotry.

You do know Lincoln was himself a bigot, don't you.

His redneck neeeds to be executed. So you now advocate slavery and genocide? You're worse than the KKK. They don't even go there.

Sure?

I'll include you, since you're also a bigot.

My quote only stated that racists should be treated that way, some bigots are merely crusaders against bad things. Technically speaking our founding fathers were bigots that hated tyrants and those who oppressed natural rights. Do they fit in too?

Indeed.

No need to gloat over the fact I didn't read the article through, I already confessed that.

I looked over it, and "logic" doesn't seem to appear in his post.... ;)



You do know Lincoln was himself a bigot, don't you.

This thread is about RACIAL BIGOTRY not bigotry in general. Thus Abraham doesn't count.

It nearly worked when 'ol Abraham did it. If he wasn't assassinated we would be in a country without racial bigotry.
Then they just keep killing till they get to you. That's how it all ends up, sooner or later.

Killing begets killing, nothing else.

It nearly worked when 'ol Abraham did it. If he wasn't assassinated we would be in a country without racial bigotry.

I totally lolled.

This thread is about RACIAL BIGOTRY not bigotry in general. Thus Abraham doesn't count.

Abraham Lincoln had views that would be considered racist today, just like almost all people living during his time.

My quote only stated that racists should be treated that way, some bigots are merely crusaders against bad things.

Did you not title this thread "Down with the rednecks!"?

Down with the rednecks!

Yes, you did. Thus, as you are a confirmed racist bigot, will you please apply your punishment to yourself?

This thread is about RACIAL BIGOTRY not bigotry in general. Thus Abraham doesn't count.

1) Race is a social fiction, thus racial bigotry is a fiction. It would be more correct to say ethnic bigotry.

2) Lincoln most certainly was a "racist" bigot.

Neutrals should stay out of the way. Stop twisting my words. And my previous post expounds my reasoning on the matter.

Okay, okay, the neutrals stay out of the way, but the rest is fine? Anti-racists dueling to the death with racists??

Okay, okay, the neutrals stay out of the way, but the rest is fine? Anti-racists dueling to the death with racists??

Racists are a threat to society, if America is united it might as well do to them as any society would do to ANY troublemaker who tries to cause dissension. Boot them out. No nation divided among itself could stand, Abram knew this which is why he wanted unification. Racism damn near tore the US apart. In unity lies strength, anyone willing to destroy that unity over the amount of melanin in one's skin is wrong.

Anti-racists and racists should duel to the death while the 'neutrals' cheer them on?

What the fuck are you smoking?

Keep in mind that this is the same poster who, apparently in all seriousness, argued in recent threads that gay people were trying to force all children to be gay because they all just hate heterosexual people so very much, AND that a sensible foreign policy for the US would be "nuke everyone, even our allies." I'd take everything he types with a grain of salt. :p

Keep in mind that this is the same poster who, apparently in all seriousness, argued in recent threads that gay people were trying to force all children to be gay because they all just hate heterosexual people so very much, AND that a sensible foreign policy for the US would be "nuke everyone, even our allies." I'd take everything he types with a grain of salt. :p

Allies? Russia sees us as a threat to their national security.

Racists are a threat to society, if America is united it might as well do to them as any society would do to ANY troublemaker who tries to cause dissension. Boot them out. No nation divided among itself could stand, Abram knew this which is why he wanted unification. Racism damn near tore the US apart. In unity lies strength, anyone willing to destroy that unity over the amount of melanin in one's skin is wrong.

They are wrong and we should loudly declare them to be wrong.

But one does not fight beliefs and ideas with violence and force. Own defeats bad ideas in the marketplace of ideas. This is what freedom of thought and speech are all about.

The principals of democracy, free expression, freedom of assembly, and freedom of conscience are strengths not weaknesses.

I direct you to the persuasive wisdom of Oliver Wendell Holmes in his dissent in Abrams v. United States (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/250/616.html ), 250 US 616, 630 (1919):

Persecution for the expression of opinions seems to me perfectly logical. If you have no doubt of your premises or your power and want a certain result with all your heart you naturally express your wishes in law and sweep away all opposition. To allow opposition by speech seems to indicate that you think the speech impotent, as when a man says that he has squared the circle, or that you do not care whole heartedly for the result, or that you doubt either your power or your premises. But when men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas-that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution. It is an experiment, as all life is an experiment. Every year if not every day we have to wager our salvation upon some prophecy based upon imperfect knowledge. While that experiment is part of our system I think that we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death, unless they so imminently threaten immediate interference with the lawful and pressing purposes of the law that an immediate check is required to save the country.

As I said, we should rely on the market place of ideas and vigilant protection of freedom for all -- not upon oppression of those with whom we disagree by force.

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Hey! You're back! I haven't seen you for ages.

Hey! You're back! I haven't seen you for ages.

I'm a recovering NSG addict. I'm allowing myself small doses again.

It's nice to see everyone.

They are wrong and we should loudly declare them to be wrong.
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The usual good stuff. :cool:

I'm a recovering NSG addict. I'm allowing myself small doses again.

It's nice to see everyone.

Yeah, though you probably don't remember me. I was just a noob back then, with only a few hundred posts to my name.

I really don't see where you get the right to tell me to not hate someone because of their race.

They are wrong and we should loudly declare them to be wrong.

But one does not fight beliefs and ideas with violence and force. Own defeats bad ideas in the marketplace of ideas. This is what freedom of thought and speech are all about.

The principals of democracy, free expression, freedom of assembly, and freedom of conscience are strengths not weaknesses.

I direct you to the persuasive wisdom of Oliver Wendell Holmes in his dissent in Abrams v. United States (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/250/616.html ), 250 US 616, 630 (1919):

Persecution for the expression of opinions seems to me perfectly logical. If you have no doubt of your premises or your power and want a certain result with all your heart you naturally express your wishes in law and sweep away all opposition. To allow opposition by speech seems to indicate that you think the speech impotent, as when a man says that he has squared the circle, or that you do not care whole heartedly for the result, or that you doubt either your power or your premises. But when men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas-that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution. It is an experiment, as all life is an experiment. Every year if not every day we have to wager our salvation upon some prophecy based upon imperfect knowledge. While that experiment is part of our system I think that we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death, unless they so imminently threaten immediate interference with the lawful and pressing purposes of the law that an immediate check is required to save the country.

As I said, we should rely on the market place of ideas and vigilant protection of freedom for all -- not upon oppression of those with whom we disagree by force.

But there are many instances where bad ideas stayed in power due to the fact that the followers had an acute ability to twist facts, create false propaganda and use psychological tactics. Scientology for example, anyone who knows its true origin knows that they merely want your money, they have ridiculas ideas that should have been stamped out long ago. When bad ideas fight to keep themselves from being eliminated in the market of ideas then is the time to deal with them. (They may fight with words or weapons)

Take Islam, that should have been stamped out due to its "we're right, disagree with us and die" ideology.

I really don't see where you get the right to tell me to not hate someone because of their race.

For those who misread my earlier posts, I distinctly remember posting against those who are racist for petty reasons like eye and skin color. I have no problem with bashing nations that do stupid things that make life worse. Just the nuts who think its all about the petty appearances. I should have made that more clear. Sorry.

I'm a recovering NSG addict. I'm allowing myself small doses again.

It's nice to see everyone.
Good to see you back again.......this place needs a breath of fresh air!!! :cool:

I really don't see where you get the right to tell me to not hate someone because of their race.
Hey Ruffy......you really shouldn't hate someone because of their race. :p

Hey South Lizasauria,

Just a few notes from someone who's not really involved in this. I've seen racism in it's forms. I've seen african americans beat up whites because they are in the wrong neighborhood. I've also seen the results of a group beating on an african american or someone who is not white. Racism is a two way street and you posting this type of thing will just fuel that racism more and more till it turns out of control.


I point you towards the inner city of Chiago, namely the Caprini Green housing complex. Do some research about that. That has people of all races killing eachother cause of their skin color. Take a look at the incident that happens in Grand Forks, ND several years ago. An african american man was hung from the middle pillar that is the remains of a train crossing across the Red River of the North.


There is more than just the whole KKK/NAZI racism thing. It's all around and it's started by everyone. An not all Racists are "rednecks". There are many people who consider themselves rednecks who are not racist so it would be a good idea if you didn't generalize with that type of thing.

Hey Ruffy......you really shouldn't hate someone because of their race. :p

You have the right to your opinion, and I have the right to mine. Or something.

*flees*

You have the right to your opinion, and I have the right to mine. Or something.

*flees*

*chases, mugs Ruffy and steals his opinion*

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But there are many instances where bad ideas stayed in power due to the fact that the followers had an acute ability to twist facts, create false propaganda and use psychological tactics...[snip]
I get what you mean, like when peole make up crap about how writing a fairytale is equivalent to an attempt to destroy all heterosexuals, or tries to frighten people into thinking their children are being preyed on by rabid homosexuals, all because a fairytale happens to include characters who are not heterosexual.
While I disaprove of such tactics (not to mention the absurd and hateful views that motivate them) I stop well short of advocating murder as being any kind of solution.

*chases, mugs Ruffy and steals his opinion*

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INJUSTICE! INJUSTICE!

EQUALITY POLICE, SAVE ME!

*screams*

Scientology for example, anyone who knows its true origin knows that they merely want your money, they have ridiculas ideas that should have been stamped out long ago. [Sic]

Take Islam, that should have been stamped out due to its "we're right, disagree with us and die" ideology.

For those who misread my earlier posts, I distinctly remember posting against those who are racist for petty reasons like eye and skin color. *Snip* Just the nuts who think its all about the petty appearances. I should have made that more clear. Sorry.
In other words, you are advocating genocide for a group of people based upon their beliefs.

Congratulations, you now have the mindset of a Nazi.