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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6354337.stm

This, in a country where inflation is over 1,500%, 7 in 10 Zimbabweans are unemployed, and at least as many are below the poverty line. Many Zimbabweans are starving, and yet the people are being asked to contribute money for the birthday bash of the man who turned their country into a basket case.


Thank you, Jimmy Carter, for giving us Mugabe. :mad:

:mad:

QFT

Now now he's their democratically elected president, not dictator. Nevermind that no one else has been elected president since independence.

Not as good as Idi Amin's "send a goat to Britain" scheme. Disappointing indeed.

Not as good as Idi Amin's "send a goat to Britain" scheme. Disappointing indeed.

LOL, didn't Amin once send food aid to Britian? :p

Mobutu once sent money to France after a hurricane struck there. He claimed it was his own money, but of course it wasn't. Then again, since the treasury was pretty much his personal piggybank, I guess you could say it was his own money. ;)

Thank you, Jimmy Carter, for giving us Mugabe. :mad:

Now, now, Mugabe did a good job at first. He was largely responsible for Zimbabwe being a major economy in the region, and did a lot of good.

Jimmy couldn't have foreseen that the man would go bugfuck insane later.

Its frankly disgusting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6354337.stm

This, in a country where inflation is over 1,500%, 7 in 10 Zimbabweans are unemployed, and at least as many are below the poverty line. Many Zimbabweans are starving, and yet the people are being asked to contribute money for the birthday bash of the man who turned their country into a basket case.


Thank you, Jimmy Carter, for giving us Mugabe. :mad:
Out of interest, why is it Carter's fault? I wasn't aware that anyone but the UK, ZANU-PF and the (ex) Rhodesian government was involved with putting him in power.

Its frankly disgusting.
He's a genuine git.

LOL, didn't Amin once send food aid to Britian? :p

Mobutu once sent money to France after a hurricane struck there. He claimed it was his own money, but of course it wasn't. Then again, since the treasury was pretty much his personal piggybank, I guess you could say it was his own money. ;)
Yep, in the 70s, when the UK was relatively poor, so as to take the piss out of us.

Now, now, Mugabe did a good job at first. He was largely responsible for Zimbabwe being a major economy in the region, and did a lot of good.

Jimmy couldn't have foreseen that the man would go bugfuck insane later.

Everyone could have foreseen that. There were loads of evidence of ZANU-PF atrocities (almost entirely committed against black Zimbabweans), which Carter conveniently ignored. Carter refused to support the Rhodesian government's plan to gradually pave the country toward majority rule, and, after Abel Muzorewa (a black man) was elected PM in a free and fair election, Carter refused to support him. Sanctions continued. However, during the 1980 elections, which were marked by widespread intimidation and fraud, Carter didn't make a single peep, and once Mugabe, a well-known terrorist, was elected, sanctions were lifted.

Mugabe never started out good. He played the moderate card early on, only because he knew that if he didn't, there would be a huge exodus from Zimbabwe, just like in Angola and Portugal during the collapse of colonial rule. Samora Machel even warned him not to play "make-believe Marxist games." After Machel's little speech, Mugabe's manifesto was suddenly stripped of all references to Marxism, revolution, etc.

And even early on Mugabe was a brutal tyrant. In the early 1980s, his North Korea-trained 5th brigade massacred at least 10,000 Matabele.

While there's no question that supporting majority rule in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe was the moral thing to do, we should have worked with moderate Rhodesians (of both races) to help bring about democratic majority rule, instead of handing the country over to a Marxist tyrant like Mugabe.

Out of interest, why is it Carter's fault? I wasn't aware that anyone but the UK, ZANU-PF and the (ex) Rhodesian government was involved with putting him in power.

See my post above.

Yep, in the 70s, when the UK was relatively poor, so as to take the piss out of us.

Well, Amin was a crazy fucker, so lol. :p

Everyone could have foreseen that. There were loads of evidence of ZANU-PF atrocities (almost entirely committed against black Zimbabweans), which Carter conveniently ignored. Carter refused to support the Rhodesian government's plan to gradually pave the country toward majority rule, and, after Abel Muzorewa (a black man) was elected PM in a free and fair election, Carter refused to support him. Sanctions continued. However, during the 1980 elections, which were marked by widespread intimidation and fraud, Carter didn't make a single peep, and once Mugabe, a well-known terrorist, was elected, sanctions were lifted.

Mugabe never started out good. He played the moderate card early on, only because he knew that if he didn't, there would be a huge exodus from Zimbabwe, just like in Angola and Portugal during the collapse of colonial rule. Samora Machel even warned him not to play "make-believe Marxist games." After Machel's little speech, Mugabe's manifesto was suddenly stripped of all references to Marxism, revolution, etc.

And even early on Mugabe was a brutal tyrant. In the early 1980s, his North Korea-trained 5th brigade massacred at least 10,000 Matabele.

While there's no question that supporting majority rule in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe was the moral thing to do, we should have worked with moderate Rhodesians (of both races) to help bring about democratic majority rule, instead of handing the country over to a Marxist tyrant like Mugabe.

Now, I never said the man was nice. Nice, from what I can see, doesn't get you anywhere in Africa. But let's be honest: there was no reason to think he'd just go and destroy the country like he has. He didn't look out and out crazy.

Somehow, I will shoehorn the picture (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Dragonkirby/Non-Kirby/KDSez/gtfogrowswearybullshitptu8.jpg) into discussion, and have it make sense. It must be done.

Now, I never said the man was nice. Nice, from what I can see, doesn't get you anywhere in Africa. But let's be honest: there was no reason to think he'd just go and destroy the country like he has. He didn't look out and out crazy.

His actions during the Second Chimurenga were a strong indicator.

Carter? More like shame on our governments for not going in and sorting out our ex-colonies like we did with the Falklands and Sierra Leone.

Carter? More like shame on our governments for not going in and sorting out our ex-colonies like we did with the Falklands and Sierra Leone.

U.K. and U.S. are both to blame.

Everyone could have foreseen that. There were loads of evidence of ZANU-PF atrocities (almost entirely committed against black Zimbabweans), which Carter conveniently ignored. Carter refused to support the Rhodesian government's plan to gradually pave the country toward majority rule, and, after Abel Muzorewa (a black man) was elected PM in a free and fair election, Carter refused to support him. Sanctions continued. However, during the 1980 elections, which were marked by widespread intimidation and fraud, Carter didn't make a single peep, and once Mugabe, a well-known terrorist, was elected, sanctions were lifted.

Mugabe never started out good. He played the moderate card early on, only because he knew that if he didn't, there would be a huge exodus from Zimbabwe, just like in Angola and Portugal during the collapse of colonial rule. Samora Machel even warned him not to play "make-believe Marxist games." After Machel's little speech, Mugabe's manifesto was suddenly stripped of all references to Marxism, revolution, etc.

And even early on Mugabe was a brutal tyrant. In the early 1980s, his North Korea-trained 5th brigade massacred at least 10,000 Matabele.

While there's no question that supporting majority rule in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe was the moral thing to do, we should have worked with moderate Rhodesians (of both races) to help bring about democratic majority rule, instead of handing the country over to a Marxist tyrant like Mugabe.


See my post above.


Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.

Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.

You're welcome.

You're welcome.
:)

It's nice when you get to learn something interesting on NS, rather than just bickering over Israel, Bush, abortion or the flat tax.

:)

It's nice when you get to learn something interesting on NS, rather than just bickering over Israel, Bush, abortion or the flat tax. Sadly I seem to have already got myself back into that rut.

Seriously, who's for forming a militia and taking back Rhodesia? Can I use one of the n00b gun smilies now?

Sadly I seem to have already got myself back into that rut.

Seriously, who's for forming a militia and taking back Rhodesia? Can I use one of the n00b gun smilies now?
Since you recognise that it's n00bish and it is Mugabe:sniper: , after all, then sure.

See, I just started you off.;)

Somehow, I will shoehorn the picture (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Dragonkirby/Non-Kirby/KDSez/gtfogrowswearybullshitptu8.jpg) into discussion, and have it make sense. It must be done.Is it just the how the light is falling on his face or does he have a Hitler-lite moustache going on in that picture?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6354337.stm

This, in a country where inflation is over 1,500%, 7 in 10 Zimbabweans are unemployed, and at least as many are below the poverty line. Many Zimbabweans are starving, and yet the people are being asked to contribute money for the birthday bash of the man who turned their country into a basket case.


Thank you, Jimmy Carter, for giving us Mugabe. :mad:

And don't forget the President ordered the rapes of kids in so-called training camps (has anyone actually put a stop to it?).

Thank you, Jimmy Carter, for giving us Mugabe. :mad:


Mugabe is a well educated, intelligent man, who, in his day, impressed all who met him. Nobody but nobody guessed that he'd turn into whatever kind of looper he is.

Is it just the how the light is falling on his face or does he have a Hitler-lite moustache going on in that picture?


:) No, the Robert Mugabe tache is a real triumph, and no mere trick of the light. I wonder if it was his idea, or his stylists....

Nobody but nobody guessed that he'd turn into whatever kind of looper he is.

Except those who chose not to ignore the evidence that he was a terrorist, and that the overwhelmingly vast majority of the people that ZANU-PF raped, tortured, mutilated, and slaughtered were innocent blacks, who had no connection whatsoever to the Rhodesian government and committed no crime.

Zimbabwe really needs to get its act together. In fact, I was just reading the other day that
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/8384/mugabeap7.png

Courtesy of Uncyclopedia (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Africa#Government).

Zimbabwe really needs to get its act together. In fact, I was just reading the other day that
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/8384/mugabeap7.png

Courtesy of Uncyclopedia (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Africa#Government).

lollercoaster

Zimbabwe really needs to get its act together. In fact, I was just reading the other day that
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/8384/mugabeap7.png

Courtesy of Uncyclopedia (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Africa#Government).
lulz.