NationStates Jolt Archive

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7147413143041922928

And he also has a cult of faithful sheep. God, what is wrong with these people? The other day I got into a debate with about we ought to treat individuals like these - I simply said, treat them like the idiots they are. Others were shocked. This just reinforces my confidence in what I said. Oh, and not the Jesusfreak towards the end!

Hallelujah! :fluffle:

Darn, I thought it was about that one famous NSG troll I always hear about. :(

Darn, I thought it was about that one famous NSG troll I always hear about. :(
No, but I knew using his screen name would get attention. :)

Praise the Lord!

I couldn't get to the Jesus Freak at the end because the first 19 seconds was more than I could stand.

But everybody else takes full damage...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7147413143041922928

And he also has a cult of faithful sheep. God, what is wrong with these people? The other day I got into a debate with about we ought to treat individuals like these - I simply said, treat them like the idiots they are. Others were shocked. This just reinforces my confidence in what I said. Oh, and not the Jesusfreak towards the end!

Hallelujah! :fluffle:

OMG thats creepy... I couldn't watch more than ten second of it. I'm a Christian , I have a feeling they're using some sort of brainwash tactic or something. Brrrr...

Edit: True Christians aren't like that, they express free will and acknowledge that its a gift from God, these people have obviously been forced into Chritianity through some psychological tactic.

We pray to Jesus we wont have any microphone problems? WTF?
Ah , what would the world be like without Religous freaks? Ah yes,
It would be a damn better one

Meh, I'm an atheist who goes to a Pentecostal church just to play with the sound system, I see this every other day :D

HAH, i might just shoot myself if i had to hear that jesus is going to stop satan from messing with our computers every week

George Nelson withdraws! :cool:

http://www.jinx.com/images/products/283bgBlack.jpg

:D

K, now im at the point where there bowing to a cardboard cutout of Bush.
NOW I KNOW THERE ASSHOLES!! Then theres the kid thats bitching about how damn hard it is to believe in god. YA hard for him in his nice suburban house!! how bout for the muslims gettin killed by their own government!
U.S.A. greatest land of god my ass. (dont take offense, i live there)

But everybody else takes full damage...

Damn. You beat me to it.

Oh well.

Yes, but moses invests!

And i wanna kick that freaky kid with the damn mullet's ass

OMG thats creepy... I couldn't watch more than ten second of it. I'm a Christian , I have a feeling they're using some sort of brainwash tactic or something. Brrrr...

Edit: True Christians aren't like that, they express free will and acknowledge that its a gift from God, these people have obviously been forced into Chritianity through some psychological tactic.
I watched 3 seconds and couldn't stand it much longer...

I consider myself a Christian - but definitely not of that kind. That just freaks me out!

oh crap. America is definitley screwed. Do they really have soo many people they can change the course of ANY election??:(
*pulls out shotgun and LOTS of ammo*

Yup, Direct Christian government where the Bible is our law...

I'd be one of the first the secret police drag away :(

Jesus saves...




...Well, he was a Jew.

Man, Why the fuck did we create religion? i mean, it does WAY more harm than good(no offense to any believers) i mean, as long as there are uber religous freaks like sucide bombers and Bush supporters, there will always be violence and war

bah, i was hoping that Jesussaves had returned to the forums.

How disappointing.

Man, Why the fuck did we create religion? i mean, it does WAY more harm than good(no offense to any believers) i mean, as long as there are uber religous freaks like sucide bombers and Bush supporters, there will always be violence and war

It's all explainable with the theory of memetics.

I didn't know you could get bottled holy water to wash your hands with :p

I didn't know you could get bottled holy water to wash your hands with :p

Oh yea, and it does 2d4 damage to undead too.

Man, Why the fuck did we create religion? i mean, it does WAY more harm than good(no offense to any believers) i mean, as long as there are uber religous freaks like sucide bombers and Bush supporters, there will always be violence and war

Actually, I'd say it's the other way around. Religion has done far more good for society than harm.

Actually, I'd say it's the other way around. Religion has done far more good for society than harm.

I bet someone pulls the Crusades, Holocaust, or WTC as a counter remark. I just feel it coming.

We pray to Jesus we wont have any microphone problems? WTF?
Ah , what would the world be like without Religous freaks? Ah yes,
It would be a damn better one

Don't blame Jesus for this.

Jesus was busy setting up the microphones for a KISS cover band at a college bar in Reno.

Then he scored some weed off some forty year old white guy with dreadlocks and brought it to the back room along with the blonde in the green tube top that the cat guy pointed towards during the drum solo.

Being a roadie is hard, and Jesus is only doing it because he has a criminal record going back a couple thousand years, and its hard for him to get jobs, you know?

Have some compassion.

Actually, I'd say it's the other way around. Religion has done far more good for society than harm.

The crusades, the holocaust, and 9/11 were all caused by religion.

The crusades, the holocaust, and 9/11 were all caused by religion.
Politics justified via religion. Next?

PS: You're wrong on the Holocaust - unless racism, Hegelianism and misinterpretations of Nietzschean philosophy are what you mean.

I bet someone pulls the Crusades, Holocaust, or WTC as a counter remark. I just feel it coming.

And I'll pull "saving our asses from the Dark Ages" or "providing the foundations for modern education", or "giving birth to modern science" or the billions of dollars given to charities, or the social justice work done by religious figures in developing nations, or....

And if they use the Holocaust or Crusades, I'll just bring up the Communist regimes and the purges of Stalin...fun times, huh?

And I'll pull "saving our asses from the Dark Ages" or "providing the foundations for modern education", or "giving birth to modern science" or the billions of dollars given to charities, or the social justice work done by religious figures in developing nations, or....

And if they use the Holocaust or Crusades, I'll just bring up the Communist regimes and the purges of Stalin...fun times, huh?

Excuse me, but it seems that some of the most important developments in human history (e.g. Human rights such as freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of self government) stemmed from the Enlightenment, a departure from religious thought.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

The crusades, the holocaust, and 9/11 were all caused by religion.

And almost every war in history has been caused by politics or the desire for resources...that's more deaths than anything religion has ever done. Hell, the openly atheist regimes of the world are the bloodiest in history by a long shot...the Holocaust itself was small compared to what the USSR or China did.

Even so, it's not a valid argument to begin with. Religion doesn't exist in a vaccum; it's an idea that can be abused just like any other. Getting rid of it helps absolutely nothing and actually can have a negative effect in the long run.

Excuse me, but it seems that some of the most important developments in human history (e.g. Human rights such as freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of self government) stemmed from the Enlightenment, a departure from religious thought.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

And the enlightentment, it can be argued, stemmed from the protestant reformation, at which point in time people where given the choice to think freely, and individually, which led to many great thinkers arising.:)

Excuse me, but it seems that some of the most important developments in human history (e.g. Human rights such as freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of self government) stemmed from the Enlightenment, a departure from religious thought.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

And some of the most important ones in human history stemmed from the Middle Ages, Renaissance and the Reformation, one of the strongest periods of religious influence in human history. Not to mention the long tradition of religious belief before it during the classical era... the greatest philosophers, inventors and mathematicians of the ancient Greeks and Romans were almost all religiously devout.

Not to mention the Enlightenment has its roots in the Christian Humanists like Erasmus, whose ideas were brought about by the religious Protestant reformation. Don't forget Gutenberg, either; his first printing press was designed to mass produce Bibles.

Don't forget that religions played a major role in the fight against slavery, the fight against totalitarianism in Germany and the Eastern Bloc, and human rights activism around the world during the 20th century.

And almost every war in history has been caused by politics or the desire for resources...that's more deaths than anything religion has ever done. Hell, the openly atheist regimes of the world are the bloodiest in history by a long shot...the Holocaust itself was small compared to what the USSR or China did.

Even so, it's not a valid argument to begin with. Religion doesn't exist in a vaccum; it's an idea that can be abused just like any other. Getting rid of it helps absolutely nothing and actually can have a negative effect in the long run.

It was a joke. I'm not going to deny that religion motivates people to help people, but it's too easy to use as justification for bad things.

Judging religion by the behavior of people who happen to subscribe by it is simply not a very good technique.

The other day I got into a debate with about we ought to treat individuals like these - I simply said, treat them like the idiots they are. Others were shocked.

People who believe that the vast majority of humanity will spend eternal torment in Hell for the most morally arbitrary of reasons probably ought to be viewed in pretty much the same way we view Nazis.

It was a joke. I'm not going to deny that religion motivates people to help people, but it's too easy to use as justification for bad things.

Don't do that! ;)

You got me, though...I thought it was just by chance that you mentioned WTC, the Crusades, and the Holocaust. :D

Winner is you.

And some of the most important ones in human history stemmed from the Middle Ages, Renaissance and the Reformation, one of the strongest periods of religious influence in human history. Not to mention the long tradition of religious belief before it during the classical era... the greatest philosophers, inventors and mathematicians of the ancient Greeks and Romans were almost all religiously devout.

Ironic that when Socrates was executed they claimed it was because he was an Atheist.

Not to mention the Enlightenment has its roots in the Christian Humanists like Erasmus, whose ideas were brought about by the religious Protestant reformation. Don't forget Gutenberg, either; his first printing press was designed to mass produce Bibles.

But people use religion as an excuse not to figure out what is really happening. I cite geocentrism and creationism.

Don't forget that religions played a major role in the fight against slavery, the fight against totalitarianism in Germany and the Eastern Bloc, and human rights activism around the world during the 20th century.

And religion was the legitimizer of monarchy, many human rights violations, and, yes, slavery itself.

Sorry about the joke.

Judging religion by the behavior of people who happen to subscribe by it is simply not a very good technique.



People who believe that the vast majority of humanity will spend eternal torment in Hell for the most morally arbitrary of reasons probably ought to be viewed in pretty much the same way we view Nazis.

Maybe we can get Max and Leo to produce a musical about hellfire preachers!

Springtime for Fred Phelps!

I'm not going to deny that religion motivates people to help people

But I am - at least as contrasted with reasonable secular alternatives (i.e. better things than the atomistic selfish capitalist individualism our society currently glorifies.)

Religion is very good at deluding good people into thinking that it's okay to treat other people horrifically... our natural generosity and compassion, put into environments where it can actually prosper, can do the rest on its own.

reasonable secular alternatives

Like what? I really want to know? I thought it was impossible to motivate people to help people without delusion.

I thought it was impossible to motivate people to help people without delusion.

So you think that all non-religious people are inclined to starve their children or betray their friends?

In general, we avoid acting cruelly to other human beings for reasons other than "God said so" - we have a natural sense of empathy with others, and recognition that we would not like to be treated in certain ways translates into recognition of the rights and dignity of others.

I don't believe it says anywhere in the Bible that it's wrong to slowly torture a dog or cat to death, delighting in every pained squeal... but doesn't the idea revolt you anyway?

So you think that all non-religious people are inclined to starve their children or betray their friends?

In general, we avoid acting cruelly to other human beings for reasons other than "God said so" - we have a natural sense of empathy with others, and recognition that we would not like to be treated in certain ways translates into recognition of the rights and dignity of others.

I don't believe it says anywhere in the Bible that it's wrong to slowly torture a dog or cat to death, delighting in every pained squeal... but doesn't the idea revolt you anyway?

I was being semi-sarcastic after all. But there is a difference between passively respecting rights and actively correcting wrongs. (Dude that is an excellent play on words, I am going to write it down.)

Someone pass the Kool-Aid!


Yes these people are nuts. Thier brain washed ship who believe everything these evangliests say instead of trying to learn that there are all kinds of faith even diffrent types of Christanity. I bet most of those kids will end up hating these people. Does any one think the lady preacher might be a..........(coughs)

But there is a difference between passively respecting rights and actively correcting wrongs.

Sure, but if empathy for others drives us to passively respect others' rights so as to avoid causing them suffering or indignity, would it not also similarly drive us to actively correct circumstances that cause suffering and indignity?

Perhaps not as much... but this is a general precept of the human preference for what is convenient, and not exclusive to secular motives for morality.

Overall, whether we proceed by paying attention to our immediate moral sentiments (love and compassion for others) or by adhering to a more abstract moral duty that we derive from a careful rational analysis of our moral intuitions, secular bases for morality generally give us much better answers than reliance on any external authority (God, the Bible, our church/synagogue/mosque leader, whatever) does. Insofar as religion encourages us to rest our moral judgments on the dictates of external authorities, it is problematic.

Ironic that when Socrates was executed they claimed it was because he was an Atheist.

Yeah, that sucked, but it was also politically motivated.

But people use religion as an excuse not to figure out what is really happening. I cite geocentrism and creationism.

People can use whatever they want to deny the truth.

Just look at Lysenkoism or the utter destruction of the social sciences and literature in the Communist world. They were supposedly the "scientific" societies, and yet their educational systems were utterly warped by Communist ideology. I mean, this would be the same as the US mandating the teaching of creationism, and only creationism, as science and jailing or killing anyone who disagrees.

And religion was the legitimizer of monarchy, many human rights violations, and, yes, slavery itself.

Religion has been intertwined with politics since forever. The removal of religion would have had no effect on the existence of monarchy or slavery; the ties between the government and religion were often symbolic at best.

Sorry about the joke.

It was well done, and provoked good discussion. Nice job.

Jesus saves!


...he passes the puck to Moses. Moses shoots...he scores!

:D

Bloody hell, that's really, really scary brainwashing. Some of that has to be bordering on emotional abuse. :(

Whoa! did i spark that debate with that comment that religion is evil?
I dont believe all religon is evil, i mean i believe, as long as there is religion, there will be fucking hypocrites of people that kill in the name of it. I find it amazing that both George W. Bush and all of the suicide bombers and terroristskilling civilians and our troops in Iraq have both talked to God, and he each wants them to kill. I ABSOLUTELY hate that so damn much

this is like people say that the aztecs were brought down because of satanism! (wtf)

Just look at Lysenkoism or the utter destruction of the social sciences and literature in the Communist world. They were supposedly the "scientific" societies, and yet their educational systems were utterly warped by Communist ideology. I mean, this would be the same as the US mandating the teaching of creationism, and only creationism, as science and jailing or killing anyone who disagrees.

You keep bringing up the atrocities of the "godless" communists. But that was one small part of human history compared to the rest of it, most of which contains atrocities motivated by religion.

And thanks.

JESUS SAVES!

But he might have made more money if he had invested.

I came across a great quote today by Friedrich II of Prussia:

I think it better to keep a profound silence with regard to the Christian fables, which are canonized by their antiquity and the credulity of absurd and insipid people.

In fact, he said lots of smart things about religion (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Frederick_II_of_Prussia).

Well, they did have a Czech (or was that Slovak) hockey centre player named Satan. You can figure out the rest...

Joona

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7147413143041922928

And he also has a cult of faithful sheep. God, what is wrong with these people? The other day I got into a debate with about we ought to treat individuals like these - I simply said, treat them like the idiots they are. Others were shocked. This just reinforces my confidence in what I said. Oh, and not the Jesusfreak towards the end!

Hallelujah! :fluffle:"He surrounds himself with spirit-filled people," she says about President Bush.

So... the Holy Spirit == $$$ ? :confused:

Spiritus fortus, my friend.

Joona

You keep bringing up the atrocities of the "godless" communists. But that was one small part of human history compared to the rest of it, most of which contains atrocities motivated by religion.

And thanks.

For once I have to side with the theists on this one. Religion in the west has had a history of perceived barbarism that, in many cases, may just have easily have sprung up in the absence of faith. The Crusades would've become nothing more than a cultural and territorial struggle, for instance, and we've had plenty of "Inquisitions" since the Catholic one, involving non-theist ideologies (the gulags, for instance, and Communist reeducation camps).

Some of the greatest and most treasured art, literature, and, yes, science, of the modern age has sprung up because of religion. The Catholic Church, the Reformation, and the Counter-reformation led directly to the Baroque era, which brought us such famous artists as Rembrandt and Vermeer, not to mention Caravaggio.

While Gallileo may have been persecuted by the Church, Europe's interest in astronomy was actually STARTED by the Catholic Church, in their effort to devise a more accurate calendar system (or so a professor who teaches the History of Technology at Drexel University once said. I can't really cite a source on this that you can all go to and say "Oh, ok, it says it right there.")


And personally, I'd have to say the biggest argument against religion has nothing to do with religious warfare. Just look at religion-sponsored slavery in history, and at the rigid and inflexible Caste system of pre-Independence India.

EDIT: Sorry, wasn't planning on an essay here, kinda got a bit carried away in the momentum of it.

"He surrounds himself with spirit-filled people," she says about President Bush.

So... the Holy Spirit == $$$ ? :confused:
Well we have Jesus CEO, God Inc., so it's only natural we'd have a Holy Spirit™. :)

K, now im at the point where there bowing to a cardboard cutout of Bush.
NOW I KNOW THERE ASSHOLES!! Then theres the kid thats bitching about how damn hard it is to believe in god. YA hard for him in his nice suburban house!! how bout for the muslims gettin killed by their own government!
U.S.A. greatest land of god my ass. (dont take offense, i live there)

Indeed, you'd think that there'd be a rule, or something commanding them, that is against worshiping manifestations and such that are not god, something like false idols... oh-well. I guess there isn't anything in the Bible that would say something like that... oh... wait...

:D

Jesus Camp makes Baby Jesus cry

This video makes me so glad to be Catholic, we're not this nuts!

"We don't have to talk and know what to think about homosexual activities, it's written in the bible!"

Great, just what we need, less critical thinking of what's written in the bible and more blind following.

Oh, Jesus Camp. I've heard of that… not favourably either.

For a moment I thought it would be Patrick Henry College, which I can't see a problem with other than the mistrust of Darwinian science (but hey, the Left is guilty of that too), and awful singing.

This video makes me so glad to be Catholic, we're not this nuts! We sing better.

All aboard for the Missa Papae Marcelli!

Oh, Jesus Camp. I've heard of that… not favourably either.

For a moment I thought it would be Patrick Henry College, which I can't see a problem with other than the mistrust of Darwinian science (but hey, the Left is guilty of that too), and awful singing.

We sing better.

All aboard for the Missa Papae Marcelli!

The day The Roman Catholic Church starts to act like the idiots in Jesus Camp I denounce my faith.

I'm fwieghtened...

EDIT: I just realised... I'm the "enemy" they keep on talking about. Cool.

Well, they did have a Czech (or was that Slovak) hockey centre player named Satan. You can figure out the rest...

Joona

Slovak, left winger for the NYIslanders, and still playing. Pretty good player too.

Now all we need is a defender or goalie named Jesus or God...

I've seen the preview to Jesus Camp and I found it incredibly freaky. With that and the little I could stand of this longer version I was really unnerved. I have no problem seeing these kids growing up to massacre all the "unbelievers" if they come to believe it is God's will. Fanatics.

I've seen the preview to Jesus Camp and I found it incredibly freaky. With that and the little I could stand of this longer version I was really unnerved. I have no problem seeing these kids growing up to massacre all the "unbelievers" if they come to believe it is God's will. Fanatics. That's alright, we can enlist them in the IDF and watch the fun happen with the Palestinian fanatics.

That's alright, we can enlist them in the IDF and watch the fun happen with the Palestinian fanatics.

Yup, hopefully they'll cancel each other out in some sort of energy releasing fundie annihilation. We could use them as a source of energy for years to come.

I only watched a short bit of the video. I kind of think the kid and the woman discussing how "creationism is the only possible answer" are too ignorant to be allowed to continue existing. Anyway, this thread would be better if it was about Jesus Saves by Slayer..

You go to the church, you kiss the cross
You will be saved at any cost
You have your own reality
Christianity
You spend your life just kissing ass
A trait thats grown as time has passed
You think the world will end today
You praise the lord, its all you say

Jesus saves, listen to you pray
You think youll see the pearly gates
When death takes you away

For all respect you cannot lust
In an invisible man you place your trust
Indirect dependency
Eternal attempt at amnesty
He will decide who lives and dies
Depopulate satanas rise
You will be an accessory
Irreverence and blasphemy

(lead: king)

Jesus saves, no need to pray
The gates of pearl have turned to gold
It seems youve lost your way

(lead: hanneman)

Jesus saves, no words of praise
No promised land to take you to
There is no other way

(lead: king)

I only watched a short bit of the video. I kind of think the kid and the woman discussing how "creationism is the only possible answer" are to ignorant to be allowed to continue existing.
That's the part that surprised me the most - hjjust how mindwashed these people are. There is nothing that will save that child from its ignorance when it grows up.

Anyway, this thread would be better if it was about Jesus Saves by Slayer..

You go to the church, you kiss the cross
You will be saved at any cost
You have your own reality
Christianity
You spend your life just kissing ass
A trait thats grown as time has passed
You think the world will end today
You praise the lord, its all you say

Jesus saves, listen to you pray
You think youll see the pearly gates
When death takes you away

For all respect you cannot lust
In an invisible man you place your trust
Indirect dependency
Eternal attempt at amnesty
He will decide who lives and dies
Depopulate satanas rise
You will be an accessory
Irreverence and blasphemy

(lead: king)

Jesus saves, no need to pray
The gates of pearl have turned to gold
It seems youve lost your way

(lead: hanneman)

Jesus saves, no words of praise
No promised land to take you to
There is no other way

(lead: king)
Cool song - maybe I'll downloa...err, buy it sometime soon. :)

But Beckham scores off the rebound!

I bet Jesus looks at this camp named for him and cringes.

I've seen the preview to Jesus Camp and I found it incredibly freaky. With that and the little I could stand of this longer version I was really unnerved. I have no problem seeing these kids growing up to massacre all the "unbelievers" if they come to believe it is God's will. Fanatics.The head of the camp did speak favorably of the Muslim Extremist means to indoctrinate children and how effective it was. That's why she was using it on American children "because, excuse me, we have the TRUTH!"

Slovak, left winger for the NYIslanders, and still playing. Pretty good player too.

Now all we need is a defender or goalie named Jesus or God...
Hehe :D

The head of the camp did speak favorably of the Muslim Extremist means to indoctrinate children and how effective it was. That's why she was using it on American children "because, excuse me, we have the TRUTH!"

Of course they have the truth. How else can they excuse themselves from brainwashing kids into crazed religious fanatics? After all, there are two kinds of people in the world. Those who love Jesus and those who don't. They are only loving Jesus very seriously.

Of course they have the truth. How else can they excuse themselves from brainwashing kids into crazed religious fanatics? After all, there are two kinds of people in the world. Those who love Jesus and those who don't. They are only loving Jesus very seriously.
Well, you heard what they said - they don't even need to argue it. They know the Truth and it is indisputable. Unfortunately, rational disputation with such individuals is no longer possible.

I just watched the entire thing.. Ted made me laugh at his joke.. :(

Anoyone think these kids will need therapy soon?

Ah God, I hope these kids don't go to public school, because their life are going to be a living hell.

"Today we're going to learn about Evolution!"

"Excuse me teacher, Evolution is a lie created by Satan!"

*class snickers*

"Actually the theory came from Charles Darwin."

"Who was Satan!"

*class laugh*

"Young man, you either sit down and shut up or go to the principal office!"

"Then you're Satan, because you don't want to hear the word of God!"

"That's it, off to the office you little brat."

I'm a Christian, and that scares *me*. Brainwashing is the right word.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7147413143041922928

And he also has a cult of faithful sheep. God, what is wrong with these people? The other day I got into a debate with about we ought to treat individuals like these - I simply said, treat them like the idiots they are. Others were shocked. This just reinforces my confidence in what I said. Oh, and not the Jesusfreak towards the end!

Hallelujah! :fluffle:

iit might worry me but for the fact that atheists and agnostics are growing in numbers that it's only a matter of time before we are the majority on the planet...religion cannot survive the enlightenment of science and the elimination of ignorance...

Wait... that's Ted Haggard?

:p

I just watched the entire thing.. Ted made me laugh at his joke.. :(

Anoyone think these kids will need therapy soon?

I couldn't watch all of that. It made me so sad. They are just kids being yelled at every day in the name of religion. I want to kill that woman.

Was anyone else disturbed about how they smashed cups with "Government" written on them?

Was anyone else disturbed about how they smashed cups with "Government" written on them?
Not a fan of the government, so no. :p It does show how serious they are though at smashing cups. :)

Wait... that's Ted Haggard?

:p

Yup, ol' Pastor Ted there. Incidentally, this documentary was released two months before the scandal that caused Haggard's ousting.

*Ahem*

It's okay guys, I'm Catholic and I just got off the ol' prayer phone with the big divinity himself. His official comment on this whole mess is that he in no way endorses it and wishes to know, quote: "What the f***" are they smoking?"

:D

..passes to Moses... he shoots, he scores!

Yup, ol' Pastor Ted there. Incidentally, this documentary was released two months before the scandal that caused Haggard's ousting.

Ha. Pathetic little hypocrite.

"We don't need to debate what we think of homosexual behavior!" No, we just need to engage in it.

iit might worry me but for the fact that atheists and agnostics are growing in numbers that it's only a matter of time before we are the majority on the planet...religion cannot survive the enlightenment of science and the elimination of ignorance...


I wouldn't bank on that if I were you :rolleyes:

..passes to Moses... he shoots, he scores!

... Satan to kick off from midfield...