NationStates Jolt Archive


AP Covers Up Black-on-White Gay Rape Spree/Rapist not charged with Hate Crime

Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 00:52
After reading this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516900&highlight=germania) and seeing the stories below, I'm wondering what the authorities are trying to achive by being so unfair and simply moronic. Are they trying to compensate for slavery or something? And the reason "This was just the type that he was physically attracted to" seems to be such a bullshit, it's like saying "those black men were the type this white guy likes to beat up..." Both are clearly hate crimes...

Do authorities go harder on hate crimes committed by whites than hate crimes committed by non-whites? What about the self censorship of media?



Feb. 8, 2007, 12:38PM
Suspect arrested in rapes of men
The case sets precedent as the first male-on-male serial attacker the FBI has profiled

By CINDY HORSWELL
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

A 10-month search for a serial robber-rapist targeting young males in the Baytown area has led to the arrest of a 19-year-old Baytown man.

This case has set a precedent as the first male-on-male serial rapist that the FBI has ever psychologically profiled, Baytown Police Capt. Roger Clifford said Wednesday.

At midnight Tuesday, Keith Chester Hill, 19, was taken into custody at his parents' recently built two-story, brown brick home at 6703 Zeenat in the Tanglewilde subdivision in Baytown. His parents, Phillip and Sherry, would not answer their door to comment.

Hill is being held on $60,000 bail on two charges of aggravated robbery and one charge of aggravated sexual assault, but additional charges are expected, investigators said.

FBI specialists from Virginia came to Baytown to look at detailed reports of the investigation and to develop a psychological profile of the attacker.

But Clifford said the FBI specialists had no data in their immense files of past criminal offenders with which to compare this case.

"They had no standard to go on. Ours will be a precedent-setting case," Clifford said.

The FBI concocted a possible profile based on past female victims, and only some of the characteristics seemed to fit, such as the attacker being cocky and thinking he was smarter than the police, Clifford said.

Although the attacker robbed his victims at gunpoint, his major motivation was to gain "domination and sexual gratification," Clifford said. The attacker was armed with a gun and demanded money and sex from his victims, pistol-whipping one who was not compliant.

The uniqueness of the case has drawn national attention. One of the assaults was re-enacted on a television segment of America's Most Wanted on Feb. 3.

Baytown residents have filled local blog sites with their fears that their son or someone they knew might be the next victim. A young male was being attacked about every 30 to 60 days from July until the last incident Nov. 30. That attack occurred in front of the Tanglewilde subdivision where Hill lived with his family, police said.

Residents have posted sketches of the attacker every place they could, demanding to know who was terrorizing their area.

All the victims had "cookie cutter" similarities: young white males, in their late teens to early 20s who were still living at home. Investigators think the rapist carefully stalked each of the victims and then attacked them on the driveways to their homes or surprised them inside.

"They were all slender and a little smaller stature than Hill," Clifford said. Hill is 6-foot-1 and weighs 170 pounds.

Although the attacker was reported to be black with light skin and all the victims were white, Clifford said that race was not an issue.

"This was just the type that he was physically attracted to," he said.

Just after Christmas, one of the victims reported seeing something that he felt "pointed toward Hill" as possibly being the attacker, but Clifford would not specify what that was.

Baytown Detectives J.R. Miller and Bryan Thompson had also collected a DNA specimen that came from an attack in May. It turned out to be a match to a specimen voluntarily submitted by Hill.

"There's only one in a quadrillion chance that this DNA from the attack could come from someone else," Clifford said.

Several of the victims have been unable to identify the attacker because sometimes he wore a ski mask or partially covered his face with a hooded jacket. But crime-scene investigators, armed with a search warrant, have taken numerous items from Hill's home that they hope may, along with other evidence, lead to more charges, Clifford said.

Hill, a 2006 graduate of Ross S. Sterling in Baytown, is unemployed and not attending school, investigators said.

Neighbors said they had been worried about the serial rapist but never suspected Hill.

"He was a polite young man," said one neighbor who did not want her name used because she said she is concerned about her safety. "We got a big yellow letter from our homeowners association warning us to beware. I'm shocked the attacker could have been living right here."

cindy.horswell@chron.com

Link (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nb/pasadena/news/4535890.html)


Another Associated Press Scandal
December 29, 2006 01:00 PM EST

Imagine you were a member of a group being targeted by a serial rapist, but the media refused to provide you with this urgent information, which in the age of AIDS and resistant forms of venereal disease, could protect you from having your life destroyed or even ended, because it didn't like the way the truth looked? Or imagine you wanted to learn about the prevalence of rape but you couldn't, because the media refused to provide the public with the real story? Or you're simply a citizen who wants to be informed, as an end-in-itself?

There is nothing theoretical about the above questions. In and around Baytown, TX, since April an armed serial rapist – "a clean-shaven black man, 18-21 years old... [5'10"-6' tall] and with a shaved head" and carrying a backpack -- has been targeting small, frail, white men, 18-21 years of age, who live in their parents' houses. The last reported rape was committed on November 30. And yet, the Associated Press doesn't want potential victims, students of rape, or inquisitive citizens to know the truth.

Racial Profiling, in the Real World

In an 18 December story, Houston-based Associated Press reporter Joe Stinebaker refused to identify the race of the Baytown rapist's victims, even though they were almost surely chosen based on their race, and knowing that the black rapist attacks only smallish, frail, young white men is an essential piece of information for potential victims to protect themselves, and for residents to look out for, in preventing further rapes, and possibly helping to catch the assailant.

The rapist -- who also robs his victims -- has so far victimized at least five young white men in and around Baytown, at 30-60 day intervals; the Baytown police are sure he's raped more men than that, but surmise that other victims have so far been too ashamed to come forward. The rapist's m.o. is to pick out a victim, stalk him for a time, ensure that he is alone, and then confront him either just outside of his house, or break into the house and confront him inside, first robbing and then raping him. The rapist favors a gun, but has also used a knife; he is always armed.

(If Baytown police can be certain that the local rapist has violated more white men, is it not equally likely that there are more black rapists loose, racially profiling and violating white men?)

Baytown is an oil refinery (ExxonMobil, Chevron Phillips, and Amoco) and chemical plant-dominated (Exxon Chemical and Bayer) city of 66,430 souls (2000 census) on Texas' Coastal Plains, in Harris County, where Houston is the county seat. The city's information page puts it "on the northern shore of Galveston Bay" between Houston on its eastern flank, with Beaumont to the west, and Galveston to the north, and provides a photograph of a peninsula jutting into the bay.

News accounts of rape often hide behind euphemisms such as "sexual assault," but "homosexual rape" means just that. A man violates the anus of another man, forcing his sexual member into a place not designed to accommodate it, tearing the flesh, and ejaculating into the delicate, bloodied tissues. If the rapist is HIV+, he will almost certainly infect his victim, thus ending the latter's chance at ever having a normal sex life, and possibly, any life at all.

Unprotected homosexual intercourse is far and away the most high-risk form of sex for the transmission of HIV; no other sex act even comes close.

Since the rapist is targeting exclusively young white men, we are also talking about racist hate crimes and civil rights violations.

Since 1999, the American public has continuously been inundated, via Big Media, by phony claims of innocent black males being "racially profiled" and even murdered by the authorities. But when a real case of racial profiling arises, Big Media fall silent. Imagine the outcry, coast to coast, if a white man were targeting and raping young black men. (While I am convinced that the notion of hate crimes is unconstitutional, as long as white men are going to be charged with them, blacks who target victims based on the latter's race must also be so charged.)

AP reporter Joe Stinebaker buried victims' description of the rapist in the penultimate paragraph of his 252-word December 18 story. That was because many readers quit reading a news story early on.

Stinebaker's last paragraph read, "The victims have all been men in their late teens."

Just "men."

One police press rep (surprise, surprise!) Stinebaker quoted also was anything but helpful.

"'I wish we had a link between the victims, because we might have a better chance of catching him,' said Lt. Richard Whitaker of the police department in Baytown, where took of the attacks took place. 'We don't have any affirmative links at all.'"

Try that they were all "white, smallish, frail men, between the ages of 18 and 21, and all lived in their parents' house," Lieutenant.

That’s what police call, "fitting the profile." If Stinebaker quoted Lt. Whitaker exactly and in context, the Lieutenant was saying that there is no profile.

Lt. Whitaker did not return my telephone messages requesting comment for this story.

The socialist MSM's smearing of police as racist thugs notwithstanding, the truth is that thousands of police departments all over America are almost as politically correct as your average university sociology department.

What's the Story?

The reader may well be wondering how I know that the AP is suppressing information. What are my sources?

In a Houston Chronicle story that was posted to the newspaper's Website on Dec. 16, 2006 at 2:51 P.M. (i.e., exactly fifty hours before Joe Stinebaker's AP story was posted around the country), Cindy Horswell reported,

But what makes this case so unusual is that women are not the target. So far the five victims have all been young, white males in their late teens or early 20s, mostly students still living at their parents' homes.

The attacker is described as a light-skinned black male, clean-cut and nicely dressed, in his late 20s. He stands 5-foot-6 to 6 feet tall and weighs about 200 pounds.

Far from burying the most essential information at the end of her article, or even suppressing it altogether, Horswell put it all in the second and third paragraphs of her 728-word story, where they belong.

"Who?" "What?" "When?" "Where?" "How?" are still the essential questions that every news story – even more so every crime story – must answer. Answering them does mean burying the information at the end of the story, much less not publishing it at all.

Kudos to Cindy Horswell.

The AP Stonewall

I first contacted AP on December 20 to ask Joe Stinebaker why his story lacked such essential information. That contact was a mere formality; unlike every single other American press organization I know of, AP refuses to provide telephone numbers or even eddresses, where readers, journalists, and researchers may contact its writers. And if that weren't bad enough, the AP demands that anyone seeking to contact one of its staffers, write to its media relations department at info@ap.org. I provided my telephone number, in addition to my eddress, in a request to Jack Stokes, AP's director of media relations. Stokes never responded.

"Media relations" at the AP is a euphemism for institutionalized stonewalling.

This is not the first time that I sought a response for a story from the AP's corporate lords. In early September 2004, when I wrote a story on the "Boosgate" hoax that AP reporter Tom Hays had engineered, I repeatedly emailed and called AP's offices, requesting comment before going to press, but never got a response.

In my experience, AP is much worse than non-media corporations, in its refusal to respond to journalists. When I call a Fortune 500 company for a comment on a story, I often get a call-back within the hour.

Get the Story!

Having no time to waste on stonewalling operations, on 21 December I bypassed the "suits" and sought out Joe Stinebaker on my own, but was informed that he was on vacation until 2 January, using up accumulated time, as was his editor, Wendy Benjaminson. However, an AP source assured me that AP reporter John Porretto had done a follow-up to Stinebaker's story, in which Porretto had spent a full day in Baytown during the middle of last week, and had written a story on the case that would include the victims' race that would appear on news Web sites last Friday (22 December) night, for the Saturday edition.

I searched the Web for Porretto's story last Friday night, and ever since. Finally, the 762-word story was posted at, among other places, the Houston Chronicle's Web site Tuesday at 2:05 p.m. But after being held back for four days, Porretto's story still failed to mention the race of the victims. (Wouldn't you love to have been a fly on the wall at the editorial meetings during that period, when Porretto's article was discussed?)

A Half-Truth is a Whole Lie

Meanwhile, Democratic Party strategist, law professor, and rape victim Susan Estrich wrote a syndicated column based on the Baytown rapist story that went out on Christmas Eve. In "Male rapes occur, and it's time to address them," Estrich used the Baytown case to press the point that male-on-male rape is a real problem that has been swept under the rug. Estrich's column was a perfect case of "a half-truth is a whole lie," in which she swept the problem of black-on-white male rape under the rug.

Again, since the vast majority of prison rapes are perpetrated by black men, this "real problem" Estrich speaks of, has a distinctly racial dimension about which she maintains silence.

More Rapes are Committed Against Men than Against Women

As I have -- or rather, as Human Rights Watch has shown, male-on-male prison rape is a huge problem, particularly black-male-on-white-male prison rape. Indeed, in her 2001 report for Human Rights Watch, No Escape: Male Rape in U.S. Prisons lawyer-investigator Joanne Mariner revealed,

Past studies have documented the prevalence of black on white sexual aggression in prison. These findings are further confirmed by Human Rights Watch's own research. Overall, our correspondence and interviews with white, black, and Hispanic inmates convince us that white inmates are disproportionately targeted for abuse. Although many whites reported being raped by white inmates, black on white abuse appears to be more common. To a much lesser extent, non-Hispanic whites also reported being victimized by Hispanic inmates.

Based on her reading of studies by prison rape scholars, Joanne Mariner estimated that more men than women are raped each year in the U.S.

I would not be at all surprised to find that the Baytown rapist is an ex-con who developed a taste for raping white men while in prison. The victims he has targeted match almost all of the characteristics of prisoners targeted for rape that Joanne Mariner cited in her study. (Mariner cited one more characteristic -- that of seeming delicate or vulnerable or slightly feminine, which I don't see any American newspaper citing in this day and age, though Los Angeles Times reporter Lianne Hart’s quote -- see two paragraphs below -- of a Baytown police captain’s roundabout description of the relative sizes of perpetrator and victims, is close enough.)

As America’s prisons are practically laboratories for the production of HIV by violent convicts who often deliberately infect other prisoners, let us hope the Baytown rapist is not also HIV+.

Public health researchers Hammett, Harmon, and Rhodes estimated that in 1997, 7.5-10 percent (150,000-200,000) of America’s prison population was HIV+.

Honest Reporters

Another non-AP reporter who did her job on the Baytown rapist story is the Los Angeles Times' Liane Hall. In a Christmas Eve story, Hall revealed the victims' race, as well as suggesting that they were small and frail – "… 'fairly identical in stature,' [Baytown Police Capt. Roger] Clifford said. 'He's bigger and can dominate them.'"

(Hall's story also appeared on Christmas Day in the Dallas-Forth Worth Star-Telegram, which keeps its Web stories up longer than the L.A. Times.)

Kudos to Liane Hall.

As one might expect, local news operations had been way out in front of the national organizations.

An 18 December story posted at the Web site of Houston's KHOU-TV Channel 11 looked odd. It was credited to the "Associated Press," yet included the victims’ race in its description, in the final paragraph.

Note, however, that when a news organization buys an AP article, it is not obliged to run it as is. It may cut an article for space or content considerations, or supplement it with material it has uncovered through its own staffers, and/or through other media organizations.

The KHOU staffer I spoke to, who requested anonymity, "We actually did the story before that. I guess, let's see, the police department gave us that information," as to the victims' description. "We actually did that story on December 4."

My KHOU source insisted that it was AP that had used KHOU material, not the other way around.

Kudos to KHOU.

And kudos to Houston TV's Channel 2 News, which already on 16 December ran a 256-word story, whose fourth paragraph read,

The five known victims have been white men in their late teens or early 20s, many who are students still living in their parents' homes.

I saved the Channel 2 story for last, because it too ran under an "Associated Press" byline, but it was obviously supplemented by Channel Two News staffers, who added the victims' race and an indirect quote from Sgt. Bryan Pair of the Harris County Sheriff's Office, neither of which were in any other AP version of the story.

Associated Propaganda

The AP cover-up is significant for two reasons. First, AP is, with the New York Times, one of the two most influential news organizations in America. Through its over 1,000 print, radio, and TV outlets in America and abroad, AP reaches as many as one billion people per year; Joe Stinebaker's censored male rape story was published as far away as India. The New York Times also publishes many AP stories. And across the country, newspapers large and small buy much of their non-local news from AP.

Indeed, newspapers even buy local news from AP. Thus, we were treated to the spectacle of the Houston Chronicle running Joe Stinebaker's racially censored AP story on the Baytown rapist on 18 December, two days after the newspaper had run Chronicle reporter Cindy Horswell's more informative story on the same topic. And on 26 December, the Chronicle ran John Porretto's racially censored story.

Although for years, the conventional wisdom has held that the news business is dominated by TV, and more recently, the orthodox "unconventional" wisdom has held that the Internet has made newspapers obsolete, the New York Times and AP are more powerful than ever. While local TV news focuses on fires, car accidents, bad weather and murders, national TV news organizations set up their news day according to what they read the night before in the New York Times and/or from AP.

And so, for most of the public, the revised version of the philosophical chestnut becomes, If the AP or the New York Times didn’t report an event, did it happen?

Presently, the top of AP's home page has a link to a statement of support for Pulitzer Prize-winning Iraqi AP photographer Bilal Hussein, who is in U.S. military custody. (Yet another tainted Pulitzer.) What the AP statement leaves out, is that Hussein is a terrorist suspect whom U.S. military authorities found with traces of explosives on his person. Perhaps AP's corporate chieftains deemed the reasons for Hussein's detention irrelevant. Meanwhile, AP VP for Corporate Communications Ellen Hale issued a statement in which she misrepresented the Geneva Conventions and U.S. military law, in saying that "AP is insisting that the U.S. military follow accepted due process under the law and the Geneva Conventions..."

Those charged with being unlawful combatants, of colluding with them, or of being spies or saboteurs, are specifically excluded from the protections of the Geneva Conventions, and U.S. Military law is no more generous.

Second, not content to censor and suppress the news, AP engineers hoaxes in which it publishes fake news. I already cited its "Boosgate" hoax. It has also published staged photographs shot by Bilal Hussein.

More recently, AP reporters have been exposed for piping quotes, which they attributed to a non-existent Iraqi Police spokesman named "Jamil Hussein."

A number of years before the War in Iraq, Saddam Hussein was able to plant a spy within the AP.

(The AP is also guilty of pedestrian socialist media bias, as in the cases of its reporters Tim Martin and Jennifer Loven, and a passel of AP stories analyzed by the Republican Media Research Center's Newsbusters Web site.)

AP’s conduct is especially egregious in matters of interracial rape. It has suppressed reporting on black-male-on-white-female gang rapes, such as the January 21, 2006 case from Henrico County near Richmond, VA, in which four black students (some of whom had been athletes) at black Virginia Union University were charged with gang-raping a white coed from the University of Richmond's Westhampton College for women. John Patrick Cates, 21, and Brian Anthony Ridgeway, 24, were eventually convicted of rape in early November for the attack, but may serve token terms of less than five years in prison. A third attacker, Julian Dewayne Williams, 21, pleaded guilty to assault and battery, and will not spend more than four months in prison, even though he participated in a vicious gang rape, and charges against a fourth man, Sherrod Donte Jeffrey Jr., 21, were dismissed altogether.

Although the AP ran a brief local story on the arrests, its national team shunned it, and I had to find out the disposition of the case through The Collegian, a student newspaper at the University of Richmond.

Kudos to The Collegian's Sloan DeVilbiss.

And kudos, too, to the local Richmond Times-Dispatch, which ran a more detailed story on the convictions of Cates and Ridgeway, but oddly, left out the reporter's byline.

By contrast, when Duke rape-hoaxer Crystal Gail Mangum first made her false charges against Duke lacrosse team members, AP declined to report that not only is white-male-on-black-female rape a crime so rare as to be statistically non-existent (accounting for 0.0 percent of all rapes in a given year), but that white-male-on-black-female gang rape has actually been non-existent nationally in recent years. AP also declined to report that in Duke's Durham, NC home, as my Autonomist editor, Rocco DiPippo reported, black men have for years made a sport of raping white women. Meanwhile, three innocent young white men stood to spend the rest of their lives in jail for crimes that had never been committed.

AP's "reporters" and "editors" declined to inform their readers that between 2001 and 2003, blacks committed, on average, 15,400 black-male-on-white-female rapes per year, while whites committed, on average, only 900 white-male-on-black-female rapes per year. Since there are five-and-one-half as many white as black males in this country, that means that black males rape white females over ninety times as frequently as white males rape black females.

The [Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey] tells us that interracial multiple-offender offenses are even more lopsidedly black than interracial crime as a whole. In fact, whereas blacks [males] committed 10,000 gang-rapes against whites [females] between 2001 and 2003, the NCVS samples did not pick up a single "white" [including Hispanic]-on-black [female] gang rape.

The material in the previous two paragraphs (and the quoted text in the latter paragraph), while all deriving from the federal Department of Justice, was published in the 2005 state-of-the-art report, The Color of Crime, which was published by the New Century Foundation, which also publishes American Renaissance magazine.

But suppressing the news wasn't enough for the folks at AP. In late April, they ran a hoax article by one of their national propagandists, New York-based Erin Texeira, in which she quoted young black women who complained of routinely suffering boorish and sexually abusive behavior from white men.

The young black women can almost finish each other's stories. They go to a party, a concert, a nightclub. Twenty-somethings of all colors are flirting and dancing. And then it happens.

Inevitably, a woman says, a white man asks her to dance erotically while he watches. Or he grabs her rear end. Or asks for sex, in graphic detail, without bothering to ask her name.

Many of Texeira's quotes, if they were quotes, were recycled lines that black racists had used to complain about Halle Berry’s Oscar win in 2002. The complaints were that in Berry’s movies she was always sleeping with white men (John Travolta in Swordfish, and Billy Bob Thornton in Monster’s Ball), and/or doing strip teases for them (Warren Beatty in Bulworth), which the blacks considered racial outrages. And Texeira made it clear that she was aware of the complaints, since she referred to them later in the story.

Anyone with any experience in such racially mixed situations in today's America knows that were a white man to mistreat a young black female in such a fashion, that the female would slap or punch him and scream, at which point, every black (and likely, Hispanic, too) male in the vicinity would immediately pummel the white. Young black women do, however, endure such lewd, crude behavior all the time -- from black boys and men.

White men are notoriously timid around black women, and with good reason. In New York, in a practice going even beyond Jim Crow, it has for many years been a pastime for black females of all social strata to casually assault white men in public. The black females know that if the white man defends himself, he will be beaten to a pulp by every nearby black and Hispanic male, while whites will either stand around and do nothing, or support the racist thugs, and the white victim may even be arrested for a racial attack. And if the white man does nothing to defend himself, the black female will at minimum enjoy having racially humiliated him.

Such is the racial power that every black female in America today possesses. I call the world that grants them such power, Jim Snow.

A reporter is guilty of journalistic fraud, whether she "pipes" fictitious quotes or uncritically quotes transparent lies. Erin Texeira was engaged in a form of journalistic jury tampering; she was seeking to predispose the jury in the Duke "rape" case to be biased against the white defendants and in favor of the hoaxer-plaintiff, and thereby to railroad three innocent young white men. (Texeira's Duke story is but one performance from a veritable walking race hoax machine.)

In another exercise in fiction, on 1 July, Texeira "reported" that educated black men train themselves to act in a passive fashion, to try and put at ease frightened whites.

According to an influential leftist/black myth, crime is merely a "function" of poverty; blacks have a high poverty rate, and thus a high crime rate. And since poverty is due to white racism, and since the arrests, prosecutions, and convictions of black males are due to racial profiling, blacks are not at all to blame for their high crime rate.

Lies, lies, lies.

As has been proven ad nauseum, "racial profiling" is a hoax. As The Color of Crime showed, there is no correlation between poverty and crime. (And correlation isn’t causation, anyway.) And as I have previously pointed out, the 32.1 percent figure of black men aged 20-29 years old currently under criminal justice supervision (in jail or prison, or on probation or parole), is 33.2 percent higher than the black poverty rate of 24.1 percent.

The problem, as anyone living in an urban area knows, is that over the past twenty years or so, an increasing proportion of middle-class black men have adopted the thug life mentality. Although middle-class black men rage to collusive reporters, and write letters to newspapers about whites' unforgivable sin of seeing them as scary, the truth is that a substantial and ever-growing proportion of youngish, urban, black middle-class men is obsessed with intimidating whites, and becomes enraged when whites refuse to be intimidated.

So, there you have the AP's alternate universe of interracial rape, which for the wire service is in turn a microcosm of race relations, a world in which seemingly upstanding white men routinely assault and rape black women with impunity, and in which gentle, innocent black men must cope with racist white stereotypes and profiling.

(In the foregoing story, I used some material from reporter Ken Fountain of the Baytown Sun newspaper (free registration required); Fountain has been covering the Baytown Rapist story since at least 21 September. A tip o' the hat to VDARE columnist James Fulford, who blogged on this case back on 18 December.)


http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/21523.html
Ifreann
10-02-2007, 00:55
How is being a serial rapist a hate crime? My understanding of hate crimes was that they were motivated by hate for the subculture the victim belonged to. Serial rapist just rape a lot of people who look similar, I don't see the hate motivation there.
Greater Trostia
10-02-2007, 00:59
I think it's a plot by the Jew-owned media to commit genocide against the white race by using the rapist blacks and the immigrant hispanics!

Well, no.

But why should a serial rapist be charged with hate crimes if race was not the prime factor in his motivation?
Ifreann
10-02-2007, 00:59
I think it's a plot by the Jew-owned media to commit genocide against the white race by using the rapist blacks and the immigrant hispanics!

Well, no.

But why should a serial rapist be charged with hate crimes if race was not the prime factor in his motivation?

I think hate crime laws cover more than racial motivation, but the point stands. Violence against someone by someone of a different race is not automatically racially motivated.
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 01:00
I think it's a plot by the Jew-owned media to commit genocide against the white race by using the rapist blacks and the immigrant hispanics!

....

Right...
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 01:01
I think hate crime laws cover more than racial motivation, but the point stands. Violence against someone by someone of a different race is not automatically racially motivated.

Dont they look if the crime committed focuses on one race?
Ashmoria
10-02-2007, 01:03
these rapes MAY be hate crimes or they may not be.

but what is your problem? that the AP didnt want to discuss the race of the suspect?

and what does this have to do with minors getting a more lenient sentence than might have been expected?
Ifreann
10-02-2007, 01:05
Dont they look if the crime committed focuses on one race?

You do know that would cover every one off crime, ever, right?

Come on, serial rape is a terrible crime, but it doesn't appear racially motivated in this case. That's like calling Ted Bundy a racist for only killing white women.
Greater Trostia
10-02-2007, 01:07
Right...

Please tell me you're not actually agreeing with that.
Relyc
10-02-2007, 01:09
I dont see any racial motivations here. I dont really like the "hate crime" status anyway. If something is illegal, it should be about what the act is- not the intention in doing it.
New Granada
10-02-2007, 01:10
So is this rambling tempest in a teapot that you've posted an indication that you were raped by a black guy?

Is there anything to indicate that this is a hate crime, like racist statements made by the attacker?

If not, why drag yourself and the forum through the mud of posting this garbage rant?
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 01:10
You do know that would cover every one off crime, ever, right?

Come on, serial rape is a terrible crime, but it doesn't appear racially motivated in this case. That's like calling Ted Bundy a racist for only killing white women.

Was he black too?

I actually wouldnt care if he spends rest of his life in jail. But if they dont classify it as a hate crime, maybe he can get out.

What about media censoring info?
New Granada
10-02-2007, 01:11
Come on, serial rape is a terrible crime, but it doesn't appear racially motivated in this case. That's like calling Ted Bundy a racist for only killing white women.


Don't say that, this is a thread for shrill, stupid bullshit.

You aren't allowed to be sensible in this thread, the OP has forbidden it.
Vetalia
10-02-2007, 01:12
PROTIP: Just because someone only rapes people of one race doesn't mean their crime is racially motivated.
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 01:13
So is this rambling tempest in a teapot that you've posted an indication that you were raped by a black guy?

Is there anything to indicate that this is a hate crime, like racist statements made by the attacker?

If not, why drag yourself and the forum through the mud of posting this garbage rant?

Don't say that, this is a thread for shrill, stupid bullshit.

You aren't allowed to be sensible in this thread, the OP has forbidden it.

Feel free to fuck off then...
New Granada
10-02-2007, 01:16
Feel free to fuck off then...

Too many teardrops for one heart to be cryin'
Too many teardrops for one heart
To carry on
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry, now
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry
Ninety-six tears c'mon and lemme hear you cry, now
Ninety-six tears (whoo!) I wanna hear you cry
Night and day, yeah, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears cry cry cry
C'mon baby, let me hear you cry now, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears! Yeah! C'mon now
Uh-ninety-six tears!
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 01:16
these rapes MAY be hate crimes or they may not be.

....

Yeah, so why the police ruled it out immediately? They could have at least said "we are investigating..."
New Granada
10-02-2007, 01:18
Yeah, so why the police ruled it out immediately? They could have at least said "we are investigating..."

If you put a diaper on and do a "sit in" at the police station, maybe then they'll say "we are investigating."
Free Soviets
10-02-2007, 01:18
Yeah, so why the police ruled it out immediately?

because there isn't any evidence aiming that way, perhaps?
Ashmoria
10-02-2007, 01:21
Yeah, so why the police ruled it out immediately? They could have at least said "we are investigating..."

the police dont tell the press everything. they had a profiler who was well aware of what kind of person this man was raping. now that they know who he is, they might have to look at the possibility that its a hate crime. time will tell.

as to the AP not wanting to publish the race of the rapist, they may have been wanting to avoid racial retaliation against innocent people. i guess youd have to ask them.
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 01:22
because there isn't any evidence aiming that way, perhaps?

They were really quick to sort all the evidence then. Because it says several other charges are being considered...
Soluis
10-02-2007, 01:23
I think the general resentment is that a hate crime is something the white man does. If a white man ran around buggering black men it would probably be classed as a hate crime. Neither should be, of course.
Ashmoria
10-02-2007, 01:24
because there isn't any evidence aiming that way, perhaps?

which is probably the case. since this was serial rape and not serial murder the victims were able to give the police many details. perhaps that didnt include typical hate crime behavior.
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 01:35
which is probably the case. since this was serial rape and not serial murder the victims were able to give the police many details. perhaps that didnt include typical hate crime behavior.

Perhaps. But I notice a trend in which authorities are more lenient to non-whites. For ex:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article745230.ece

Or it may be that I'm just too freaked out by reading the first ever serial rapist raping males story...
NERVUN
10-02-2007, 01:40
Perhaps. But I notice a trend in which authorities are more lenient to non-whites.
Undoubtedly. It explains why the prison population is so unbalanced and why, on average, non-whites tend to get must tougher sentences than whites. Yup, uh-huh, you got it right on the nose.

Or it may be that I'm just too freaked out by reading the first ever serial rapist raping males story...
Or it could be reading a blog as a news source and believing the commentary to be actual news.
The blessed Chris
10-02-2007, 01:43
I think it's a plot by the Jew-owned media to commit genocide against the white race by using the rapist blacks and the immigrant hispanics!

Well, no.

But why should a serial rapist be charged with hate crimes if race was not the prime factor in his motivation?

In short, and theoretically, he shouldn't. "Hate crime", awful notion that it is, should be abjured from sentencing, since it clouds any juridicial decisions, and has no bearing upon the trial itself. However, given that such a nation is extant within the law, it ought to apply that stand before the law, not simply the nasty white man.
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 01:44
Undoubtedly. It explains why the prison population is so unbalanced and why, on average, non-whites tend to get must tougher sentences than whites. Yup, uh-huh, you got it right on the nose.


Ughh. Looking at the sentences for similar/identical crimes would make more sense.


Or it could be reading a blog as a news source and believing the commentary to be actual news.

Didnt know Houston Chronicle was a blog :rolleyes: Try clicking on links next time...
Ashmoria
10-02-2007, 01:45
Perhaps. But I notice a trend in which authorities are more lenient to non-whites. For ex:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article745230.ece

Or it may be that I'm just too freaked out by reading the first ever serial rapist raping males story...

im quite surprise to find that its the first. maybe others just went unreported...


i think that racial bias is very dependant on the judges involved. since they are human, their own bias can effect their rulings. to get a real reading on it, you have to have similar crimes presided over by the same judge.

those were horrible crimes and it is shocking that both sets of defendants werent given the maximum sentence.
NERVUN
10-02-2007, 01:48
Ughh. Looking at the sentences for similar/identical crimes would make more sense.
Man on man rape? As the article said, THAT is a new one. For rape in and of itself, black men are more likely to be convicted and receive longer sentences when convicted.

Didnt know Houston Chronicle was a blog :rolleyes: Try clicking on links next time...
Houston Chronicle didn't say that the AP was stonewalling or that it was a hate crime. YOUR point was from http://www.theconservativevoice.com, which is indeed a blog. I can read address bars just as well as you and posting a news article along with the blog entry doesn't make it suddenly smell better.
The blessed Chris
10-02-2007, 01:48
Undoubtedly. It explains why the prison population is so unbalanced and why, on average, non-whites tend to get must tougher sentences than whites. Yup, uh-huh, you got it right on the nose.


hmmm....

I do hate to shatter the egalitarian, multi-cultural love-in you appear to be having, but it is an incontrovertible fact that ethnic minorities commit a greater number of crimes than do whites. Not that they should be held to account of course... it's the fault of capitalism, the white man and slavery....:rolleyes:
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 01:48
im quite surprise to find that its the first. maybe others just went unreported...


i think that racial bias is very dependant on the judges involved. since they are human, their own bias can effect their rulings. to get a real reading on it, you have to have similar crimes presided over by the same judge.

those were horrible crimes and it is shocking that both sets of defendants werent given the maximum sentence.

Yeah, and the juveniles in the link in OP, werent given the maximum sentence neither, let alone being charged as adults (apperantly, it happens, in some cases). Now you get the point?
Scolopendra
10-02-2007, 01:49
Hmmmm. New Granada shouldn't even be posting on these boards (check the NS front-end).

Well, I'll fix that.
Free Soviets
10-02-2007, 01:49
But I notice a trend in which authorities are more lenient to non-whites.

ha!
Free Soviets
10-02-2007, 01:51
I think the general resentment is that a hate crime is something the white man does.

not really, no

If a white man ran around buggering black men it would probably be classed as a hate crime.

only if it fit the definition
NERVUN
10-02-2007, 01:52
hmmm....

I do hate to shatter the egalitarian, multi-cultural love-in you appear to be having, but it is an incontrovertible fact that ethnic minorities commit a greater number of crimes than do whites. Not that they should be held to account of course... it's the fault of capitalism, the white man and slavery....:rolleyes:
And I DO hate to take you to task, but there is also proof that they are far more likely to be convicted of a crime than a white man charged with the same crime. Juries ain't colorblind.
Ashmoria
10-02-2007, 01:54
Yeah, and the juveniles in the link in OP, werent given the maximum sentence neither, let alone being charged as adults (apperantly, it happens, in some cases). Now you get the point?

no not really.

everyone catches a break now and then.

the trick is to see who catches a break more often. more often the guy from the same area or group as the judge gets the breaks. in the UK and the US that means that its more often the white kid than the minority kid.

just because its not every time, doesnt mean that there is some kind of reverse racism going on.
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 01:55
Man on man rape? As the article said, THAT is a new one. For rape in and of itself, black men are more likely to be convicted and receive longer sentences when convicted.


Nope, on hate crimes which includes same primary charges (ex: assault)


Houston Chronicle didn't say that the AP was stonewalling or that it was a hate crime. YOUR point was from http://www.theconservativevoice.com, which is indeed a blog. I can read address bars just as well as you and posting a news article along with the blog entry doesn't make it suddenly smell better.


Or it may be that I'm just too freaked out by reading the first ever serial rapist raping males story...

This part was from Houston Chronicle and you responded: "Or it could be reading a blog as a news source and believing the commentary to be actual news."

So you didnt make much sense because the part I was freaked about was true. The blog might be true as well.
The blessed Chris
10-02-2007, 01:55
And I DO hate to take you to task, but there is also proof that they are far more likely to be convicted of a crime than a white man charged with the same crime. Juries ain't colorblind.

That may well be, of course, because they are repeat offenders....
Gartref
10-02-2007, 01:56
Just because the rapist targets "small, frail, white men, 18-21 years of age, who live in their parents' houses" doesn't make it a hate crime.... It just means that's what turns him on.

It would be like calling me a racist because I prefer to date 18 year old Japanese girls, wearing schoolgirl outfits.
Zarakon
10-02-2007, 02:04
ha!

Nah, Courts are nice to non-whites. Police wallop them. It's like a good arm of the law/bad arm of the law kinda thing.
Free Soviets
10-02-2007, 02:11
Nah, Courts are nice to non-whites.

nice in that they are way more likely to be convicted than whites charged with the same offense and get harsher punishments than convicted whites?
Zarakon
10-02-2007, 02:14
nice in that they are way more likely to be convicted than whites charged with the same offenseand get harsher punishments than convicted whites?

Actually, as of late they seem to be getting less punishment.
Nobel Hobos
10-02-2007, 02:14
I dont see any racial motivations here. I dont really like the "hate crime" status anyway. If something is illegal, it should be about what the act is- not the intention in doing it.

Yes and no. :)
The motivation for a crime is very important (the difference between manslaughter and murder for instance.) It should be considered in judgement.

But I agree somewhat about hate laws. Hatred in that sense (ideological or terrorist motivation) should be considered "aggravation" to the actual crime committed, and appropriately stiffer punishment left to courts.

If the courts aren't delivering justice, fix them rather than trying to take the decisions out of their hands ... which is what hate laws try to do.
Soheran
10-02-2007, 02:15
Actually, as of late they seem to be getting less punishment.

Because of two threads on NS?

Or do you actually have real evidence?
Anti-Social Darwinism
10-02-2007, 02:17
How is being a serial rapist a hate crime? My understanding of hate crimes was that they were motivated by hate for the subculture the victim belonged to. Serial rapist just rape a lot of people who look similar, I don't see the hate motivation there.

I always thought rape was a hate crime. The rapist hates a certain image and looks for people fitting that image to rape. Some rapists go after old women because they hate a particular old woman, for whatever reason. Some rapists go after blonds for the same reason. It may not be hatred of a particular ethnicity, but it's still hate.
Zarakon
10-02-2007, 02:17
Because of two threads on NS?

Or do you actually have real evidence?

Allow me to reverse the question: Do YOU have any real evidence they get convicted more often and recieve harsher punishments?

For one thing, isn't it possible that since they compose such a large part of the poor population, which statistically commit more crimes than the middle class and upper class, they commit more crimes than whites?
Free Soviets
10-02-2007, 02:22
Allow me to reverse the question: Do YOU have any real evidence they get convicted more often and recieve harsher punishments?

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/
NERVUN
10-02-2007, 02:26
Nope, on hate crimes which includes same primary charges (ex: assault)
What are you talking about?

The blog might be true as well.
Blogs are not good sources, they are the same as opinions and should be treated as such, they are, in fact, just longer NSG posts.
NERVUN
10-02-2007, 02:27
That may well be, of course, because they are repeat offenders....
:rolleyes: Right, and it may be that the Great Bird of the Galaxy doesn't like them either.
The blessed Chris
10-02-2007, 02:28
:rolleyes: Right, and it may be that the Great Bird of the Galaxy doesn't like them either.


That hardly qualifies as a response really.
Nobel Hobos
10-02-2007, 02:29
I always thought rape was a hate crime. The rapist hates a certain image and looks for people fitting that image to rape. Some rapists go after old women because they hate a particular old woman, for whatever reason. Some rapists go after blonds for the same reason. It may not be hatred of a particular ethnicity, but it's still hate.

You're just taking one aspect of rape into account, the power aspect of it.
Isn't it unreasonable to completely discount lust as a motivation?

"Some rapists go after old women ..." illustrates this perfectly. You're taking a tiny minority who rape only to express hate, and making it the entire class of offenders.

___

Here's another problem with hate laws: do they take this guy and try to charge him with hate crime in the expectation of stiffer punishment? I'll bet they don't, because it would be harder to prove and he could walk free.
Ashmoria
10-02-2007, 02:40
You're just taking one aspect of rape into account, the power aspect of it.
Isn't it unreasonable to completely discount lust as a motivation?

"Some rapists go after old women ..." illustrates this perfectly. You're taking a tiny minority who rape only to express hate, and making it the entire class of offenders.

___

Here's another problem with hate laws: do they take this guy and try to charge him with hate crime in the expectation of stiffer punishment? I'll bet they don't, because it would be harder to prove and he could walk free.

no its not reasonable to take lust into consideration. at least not in the kind of rape we automatically think of--a stranger grabs a victim, a bad man breaks into a home, things like that. if it were lust, you wouldnt be going for a crime instead of just paying a professional and not risking prison.

it might be a factor in some date rapes where a man disregards a woman's refusal and forces himself on her anyway. maybe. maybe not. but maybe in some.

i dont know how it works in the UK. in the US its more of a special circumstance that allows a greater sentence. if its not proven, the base crime still stands (if proven) but there would be no add-on sentence.
Demented Hamsters
10-02-2007, 02:58
The OP does make one good point as to why the Police never released any information about the attacks that potential victims may have found useful to increase their safety and prevent further attacks.

Of course, quite often though the police have a lot of information they don't release because they don't want the attacker to know they're onto him. If he knew the cops were looking for him, he most likely would have stopped and thus gotten away with it.


A couple of years ago where my parents live there was a serial arsonist. The police stated that they didn't know who was behind the arson attacks. In truth (I got this from one of the firefighters) they had got a profiler up from Auckland who correctly identified the arsonists her age, her sex and various other habits (eg. that she was homeless).
Fact is, the police just didn't want her to know they were looking for her until they could build enough of a case against her.
The Nazz
10-02-2007, 03:01
How is being a serial rapist a hate crime? My understanding of hate crimes was that they were motivated by hate for the subculture the victim belonged to. Serial rapist just rape a lot of people who look similar, I don't see the hate motivation there.
Of course you don't--you're not a racist moron.
NERVUN
10-02-2007, 03:11
That hardly qualifies as a response really.
As you will then:

Blacks are three time more likely to be in prison than whites: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrair.htm

In 1997, 9% of the black population in the U.S. was under some form of correctional supervision compared to 2% of the white population and over 1% of other races.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/cpracept.htm

Consistent with the findings of prior research, we find that female defendants receive more lenient sentences than male defendants and that black and Hispanic defendants receive less favorable treatment than white defendants.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/91u31023l11k4050/

There's more of course.
The Cat-Tribe
10-02-2007, 03:30
After reading this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516900&highlight=germania) and seeing the stories below, I'm wondering what the authorities are trying to achive by being so unfair and simply moronic. Are they trying to compensate for slavery or something? And the reason "This was just the type that he was physically attracted to" seems to be such a bullshit, it's like saying "those black men were the type this white guy likes to beat up..." Both are clearly hate crimes...

Do authorities go harder on hate crimes committed by whites than hate crimes committed by non-whites? What about the self censorship of media?



Link (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nb/pasadena/news/4535890.html)



http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/21523.html

Man, this is stupid stuff.

I'm not even going to touch most of the ranting of that conservative blog. It is just that: ranting.

For someone obsessed with hate crimes, you show next to no knowledge of what they are and how they are punished.

A crime is not a hate crime simply because it involves people of different races.

You have no idea if the accused committed a hate crime (your story expressly explains it is not).

You don't yet even know if he will be charged with a hate crime (your story expressly says more charges are pending).

As this defendant has not even been fully charged yet, it is a bit early to claim that the authorities were lenient because it was black-on-white crime.

The truth of the matter is that hate crimes are committed in the US against persons of practically every race, color, creed, sex, sexual orientation, etc. You have no evidence but your own selective paranoia that the crime are treated differently.

We live in a racist society. One that discriminates rountinely against minorities. Your little fictions don't reverse that.
The Cat-Tribe
10-02-2007, 03:31
As you will then:

Blacks are three time more likely to be in prison than whites: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrair.htm

In 1997, 9% of the black population in the U.S. was under some form of correctional supervision compared to 2% of the white population and over 1% of other races.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/cpracept.htm

Consistent with the findings of prior research, we find that female defendants receive more lenient sentences than male defendants and that black and Hispanic defendants receive less favorable treatment than white defendants.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/91u31023l11k4050/

There's more of course.

Thank you for the reality check.
Lunatic Goofballs
10-02-2007, 03:39
I don't know about hate crime, but clearly the rapist is a chauvanistic pig for not raping women too. What ever happened to equality of the sexes?!? :rolleyes:



:D

:p

;)
The Nazz
10-02-2007, 03:44
I don't know about hate crime, but clearly the rapist is a chauvanistic pig for not raping women too. What ever happened to equality of the sexes?!? :rolleyes:



:D

:p

;)

You know, if you add the angry smiley, you've got a traffic light. *nods*
Kohlstein
10-02-2007, 04:10
The guy probably just prefered white men, but had no racist motive. I prefer women, but that doesn't make me a homophobe. I also prefer blondes, but that doesn't mean I have something against redheads.
Nobel Hobos
10-02-2007, 05:35
no its not reasonable to take lust into consideration.
I could have been plainer. I wasn't saying that lust should be a mitigating factor in punishment. I didn't say that, I didn't mean that, and it's by no means a corrollary of what I did say.
I'd like you to read my post one more time. Please.

at least not in the kind of rape we automatically think of--a stranger grabs a victim, a bad man breaks into a home, things like that. if it were lust, you wouldnt be going for a crime instead of just paying a professional and not risking prison.
:confused:

it might be a factor in some date rapes where a man disregards a woman's refusal and forces himself on her anyway. maybe. maybe not. but maybe in some.

Ok. No problem there.

I think we'd agree that power (abuse of power) is a factor in all rapes?
Hatred and a desire to harm, psychically (sometimes physically) in most rapes.
Both of those would be aggravating factors to the crime, and attract extra punishment. I'm fine with that, and I'm not arguing for any mitigation of the crime by lustfulness on anyone's part.

I'm saying that sexual gratification is a factor in most rapes.
I'm not saying that's OK. I'm not saying it should mitigate punishment.


i dont know how it works in the UK. in the US its more of a special circumstance that allows a greater sentence. if its not proven, the base crime still stands (if proven) but there would be no add-on sentence.
Thanks. I'm having a lot of difficulty understanding Australia's legal situation in hate law ... seems only the racial vilification laws. I dunno.
OcceanDrive2
10-02-2007, 05:41
I think it's a plot by the Jew-owned media to...all the US media is NOT Owned/controlled by the Jews..

I am sure there is still some independent media.. ;)
Gift-of-god
10-02-2007, 05:47
Actually, this is a first in two ways for serial rapists, as all previous serial killers and rapists attacked victims who were of the same ethnicity as themselves.

For more information, read the books by the former head of the Behavioural Science division of the FBI.
I do not agree with the author's politics, but he knows serial killers...
http://www.amazon.com/Mindhunter-Inside-Elite-Serial-Crime/dp/0671528904
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 08:59
Of course you don't--you're not a racist moron.

Even if he was (which he is not), I guess it'd still be better than being a retarded looser.
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 09:02
What are you talking about?



I was wondering if there are any racial inequalities about convictions of people from similar hate crimes.
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 09:06
Man, this is stupid stuff.

I'm not even going to touch most of the ranting of that conservative blog. It is just that: ranting.

For someone obsessed with hate crimes....


*fuck...stops reading*
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 09:08
The guy probably just prefered white men, but had no racist motive. I prefer women, but that doesn't make me a homophobe. I also prefer blondes, but that doesn't mean I have something against redheads.

Yeah but this is not just sexual attraction. It's violence, rape, humiliation and robbery, etc...
NERVUN
10-02-2007, 13:13
I was wondering if there are any racial inequalities about convictions of people from similar hate crimes.
This isn't even a hate crime (Or, rather, there is no evidence in the article that this is a hate crime, no, a blog rant does not count as evidence).
The Nazz
10-02-2007, 16:58
Even if he was (which he is not), I guess it'd still be better than being a retarded looser.

What's a looser? Someone who goes around untying knots? And if you're retarded and a looser, does that mean you tighten them instead? I'm afraid I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what you mean by your insult. Please enlighten me, oh mighty not-a-racist-though-I-constantly-complain-about-nonexistent-double-standards and defend-fellow-racists-while-misspelling-insults guy. :rolleyes:
Nova Magna Germania
10-02-2007, 21:13
What's a looser? Someone who goes around untying knots? And if you're retarded and a looser, does that mean you tighten them instead? I'm afraid I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what you mean by your insult. Please enlighten me, oh mighty not-a-racist-though-I-constantly-complain-about-nonexistent-double-standards and defend-fellow-racists-while-misspelling-insults guy. :rolleyes:

Dont worry. It's normal for you to be having trouble figuring out what people means...
The Cat-Tribe
11-02-2007, 02:10
*fuck...stops reading*

Too bad the truth hurts.
The Nazz
11-02-2007, 02:15
Dont worry. It's normal for you to be having trouble figuring out what people means...

I'm not the one who has trouble with the English language. Just saying.
Greater Trostia
11-02-2007, 02:31
Dont worry. It's normal for you to be having trouble figuring out what people means...

*fuck...stops reading*

Even if he was (which he is not), I guess it'd still be better than being a retarded looser.

These are quality arguments. I have to say, you're obviously right. The Jewish media is just trying to kill whitey using the black man! ;)
Domici
11-02-2007, 02:34
How is being a serial rapist a hate crime? My understanding of hate crimes was that they were motivated by hate for the subculture the victim belonged to. Serial rapist just rape a lot of people who look similar, I don't see the hate motivation there.

Rape is done more out of a desire to dominate and control than to express physical attraction. The guy himself says that these men were the type he was sexually attracted to, but that's because he's confused about the source of his sexual arousal.

Normal physical desire is aroused by physical indications that a member of the appropriate sex posesses qualities that the courter finds desirable. Rapists aren't looking for mates. Especially serial rapists. They target those who represent a type of person they blame for their own misery. Often it will be women who look like a woman whom he persued obsessivly, but whom rejected him. It may also be a woman who looks like his domineering mother did in her youth. Whatever the case, it won't be a person he desires to love, it is a woman he desires to injure and control. It's like prison rape. It isn't about finding these men attractive. It's about establishing power over them, thus securing your place in the hierarchy.

Those who commit any sort of crime in a ritualistic repetative fashion are trying to symbolicly correct some percieved wrong in their lives. Add a racial element and you are looking at a person who blames that race for the situation he finds himself of. Someone who rapes white women probably sees them as the type of woman who rejects him for his inferior social status. So he punishes her for her cruel treatment of him and his brother sufferers.

It's the same case with this guy, except he desires to injure and control a type of man. He says that he's attracted to them, but that's a conflation. For him, sex and violence is the same thing. He wishes to hurt young slender white men who live with their parents. He sees them as weak and enjoying an undeserved sense of entitlement. In his mind he is righting the situation by demonstrating that he, despite his lowly racial status, is capable of becoming their lovers. Whether and that there's nothing they can do to stop him.
TotalDomination69
11-02-2007, 02:48
For gods sake I've said it before, butt rape is everywhere, all the time, always. Its the universal constant.
TotalDomination69
11-02-2007, 02:51
Rape is done more out of a desire to dominate and control than to express physical attraction. The guy himself says that these men were the type he was sexually attracted to, but that's because he's confused about the source of his sexual arousal.

Normal physical desire is aroused by physical indications that a member of the appropriate sex posesses qualities that the courter finds desirable. Rapists aren't looking for mates. Especially serial rapists. They target those who represent a type of person they blame for their own misery. Often it will be women who look like a woman whom he persued obsessivly, but whom rejected him. It may also be a woman who looks like his domineering mother did in her youth. Whatever the case, it won't be a person he desires to love, it is a woman he desires to injure and control. It's like prison rape. It isn't about finding these men attractive. It's about establishing power over them, thus securing your place in the hierarchy.

Those who commit any sort of crime in a ritualistic repetative fashion are trying to symbolicly correct some percieved wrong in their lives. Add a racial element and you are looking at a person who blames that race for the situation he finds himself of. Someone who rapes white women probably sees them as the type of woman who rejects him for his inferior social status. So he punishes her for her cruel treatment of him and his brother sufferers.

It's the same case with this guy, except he desires to injure and control a type of man. He says that he's attracted to them, but that's a conflation. For him, sex and violence is the same thing. He wishes to hurt young slender white men who live with their parents. He sees them as weak and enjoying an undeserved sense of entitlement. In his mind he is righting the situation by demonstrating that he, despite his lowly racial status, is capable of becoming their lovers. Whether and that there's nothing they can do to stop him.

Holy fuck dude, that is brillant....but you sure do know so much about rape...;)
Nova Magna Germania
11-02-2007, 03:05
Too bad the truth hurts.

Only in the minds of ignorant people. I suggest you to look up obsession and paranoia and fiction. But of course, it's not clear that you have the reasoning skills to apply definitions to the question at hand...

I'm not the one who has trouble with the English language. Just saying.

Yeah, loooooser. That's a misspelling too, right? :rolleyes:
Nova Magna Germania
11-02-2007, 03:07
These are quality arguments. I have to say, you're obviously right. The Jewish media is just trying to kill whitey using the black man! ;)

I dont bother to give fucktards "quality arguments"...
Greater Trostia
11-02-2007, 03:08
But of course, it's not clear that you have the reasoning skills to apply definitions to the question at hand...


Judged on available evidence, I'd have to say the Cat-Tribe is (in comparison to you) the quintessence of reasoning skills. You apparently can't even read.

Yeah, loooooser. That's a misspelling too, right?

Yes, yes it is. Although maybe I'd also consider it trolling.
Greater Trostia
11-02-2007, 03:09
I dont bother to give fucktards "quality arguments"...

So who do you give quality arguments to, and where are these quality arguments? Or is everyone you talk to just a fucktard.
Nova Magna Germania
11-02-2007, 03:10
Rape is done more out of a desire to dominate and control than to express physical attraction. The guy himself says that these men were the type he was sexually attracted to, but that's because he's confused about the source of his sexual arousal.

Normal physical desire is aroused by physical indications that a member of the appropriate sex posesses qualities that the courter finds desirable. Rapists aren't looking for mates. Especially serial rapists. They target those who represent a type of person they blame for their own misery. Often it will be women who look like a woman whom he persued obsessivly, but whom rejected him. It may also be a woman who looks like his domineering mother did in her youth. Whatever the case, it won't be a person he desires to love, it is a woman he desires to injure and control. It's like prison rape. It isn't about finding these men attractive. It's about establishing power over them, thus securing your place in the hierarchy.

Those who commit any sort of crime in a ritualistic repetative fashion are trying to symbolicly correct some percieved wrong in their lives. Add a racial element and you are looking at a person who blames that race for the situation he finds himself of. Someone who rapes white women probably sees them as the type of woman who rejects him for his inferior social status. So he punishes her for her cruel treatment of him and his brother sufferers.

It's the same case with this guy, except he desires to injure and control a type of man. He says that he's attracted to them, but that's a conflation. For him, sex and violence is the same thing. He wishes to hurt young slender white men who live with their parents. He sees them as weak and enjoying an undeserved sense of entitlement. In his mind he is righting the situation by demonstrating that he, despite his lowly racial status, is capable of becoming their lovers. Whether and that there's nothing they can do to stop him.

Thank you. Much more better than I've tried to put it.
Nova Magna Germania
11-02-2007, 03:12
Judged on available evidence, I'd have to say the Cat-Tribe is (in comparison to you) the quintessence of reasoning skills. You apparently can't even read.



Yes, yes it is. Although maybe I'd also consider it trolling.

I'd consider this trolling too...
Lunatic Goofballs
11-02-2007, 03:12
Judged on available evidence, I'd have to say the Cat-Tribe is (in comparison to you) the quintessence of reasoning skills. You apparently can't even read.



Yes, yes it is. Although maybe I'd also consider it trolling.

Attacking Cat-Tribe's reasoning skills is like attacking Stephen Hawking's grasp of arithmetic.
:p
Nova Magna Germania
11-02-2007, 03:14
Attacking Cat-Tribe's reasoning skills is like attacking Stephen Hawking's grasp of arithmetic.
:p

This is going more like a troll fest, one that was initiated by The Nazz abd The Cat-Tribe...
Greater Trostia
11-02-2007, 03:20
I'd consider this trolling too...

If so, by all means feel free to report me to Moderation for creating this thread and posting with the only motivation of getting negative responses through the efficient use of one-line flamebaits.
Nova Magna Germania
11-02-2007, 03:23
If so, by all means feel free to report me to Moderation for creating this thread and posting with the only motivation of getting negative responses through the efficient use of one-line flamebaits.

Right. :rolleyes:
Mininina
11-02-2007, 03:25
This is going more like a troll fest, one that was initiated by The Nazz abd The Cat-Tribe...

Trolling? The Cat-Tribe? Hardly!

Just because you refuse to acknowledge her very valid points - and they are valid points, as you would have seen if you had bothered to read them - doesn't make it trolling.
Nova Magna Germania
11-02-2007, 03:45
Trolling? The Cat-Tribe? Hardly!

Just because you refuse to acknowledge her very valid points - and they are valid points, as you would have seen if you had bothered to read them - doesn't make it trolling.

I guess valid is quite subjective. I considered him as a troll because he accused me of obsession. I think even Freud would need more evidence before reaching to a such conclusion about anyone.

So, Why would I acknowledge "very valid points" of a troll?
NERVUN
11-02-2007, 03:48
This is going more like a troll fest, one that was initiated by The Nazz abd The Cat-Tribe...
Cat-Tribe? Bull. Given your pathetic attempts to insult and brush people off as well as dropping the F-bomb like a junior high school student, I'd say you'd be the one in the wrong side of the book.
NERVUN
11-02-2007, 04:00
So, Why would I acknowledge "very valid points" of a troll?
Because you can't and you know it?

Let's see here:

A crime is not a hate crime simply because it involves people of different races.
This has been pointed out to you a number of times, you've yet to respond or reply to it.

You have no idea if the accused committed a hate crime (your story expressly explains it is not).
This has also been pointed out a number of times to you. Where IS your evidence that this was a hate crime? Or do you claim special knowledge of crimes taking place in Texas while you're up in Canada?

You don't yet even know if he will be charged with a hate crime (your story expressly says more charges are pending).

As this defendant has not even been fully charged yet, it is a bit early to claim that the authorities were lenient because it was black-on-white crime.
Both very valid points and the cusp of the argument that you keep trying to slip away from because you think he's a troll because he hasn't tickled your belly and said that you're brilliant and right.

The truth of the matter is that hate crimes are committed in the US against persons of practically every race, color, creed, sex, sexual orientation, etc. You have no evidence but your own selective paranoia that the crime are treated differently.
QFT
The Gay Street Militia
11-02-2007, 06:53
So.. on the one hand there seems to be a story here, about the withholding of information-- info that could have done some good because it might have alerted those who fit the victims' profile to be on guard-- because the victims were all white and the attacker was black, and someone felt that to include that in reporting the story would come off as racist. So for the sake of political correctness (which-- can we not all agree-- has gone MADLY out of control?) or historical reparation or whatever, that information was omitted. That sounds like a legitimate grievance. Certainly bugs me.

However I think the legitimate sense of outrage gets diminished in the average reader because the second, longer citation seems to degenerate into a bitter rant motivated by some feeling of 'white man's burden' or something. Which is unfortunate, because legitimate outrage should never be watered down by pettiness on the plaintiff's part. :-P