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heres a salute to my 8 new favorite criminals.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=181640

Two brothers serving time in a NSW jail for a series of gang rapes have been bashed by eight other inmates, leaving one of them in a critical condition.

brothers convicted in 2002 for a number of gang rapes, including that of Tegan Warner, who was 14 at the time.


i think its just a pity they did'nt finish them off.

Two things you don't want to be in prison, a rapist or a child molester.


There's a reason kid touchers aren't usually kept in general population.

Two things you don't want to be in prison, a rapist or a child molester.


There's a reason kid touchers aren't usually kept in general population.

Indeed. You are not at the bottom of the food chain, you are way below the bottom. Even the bottom feeders, so to speak, are held higher than you. Everyone has a sister/daughter/niece, etc, and they tend to feel very strongly about such.

i think its just a pity they did'nt finish them off.

Without any sympathy for child molestors
BUT
somehow I stood under the impression that in a constitutional state punishment should be left to the courts and not to other criminals?!

somehow I stood under the impression that in a constitutional state punishment should be left to the courts and not to other criminals?! I feel the same, which is why my usual response is to harrumph non-committaly and turn the page of the Telegraph to the next story.

I think they should have killed them- I think that, humans being equal in essence, anyone has the moral authority to kill rapists and pedophiles.

I'd like to thank this thread for reminding me that the human race still exists in a state of barbarism

I'd like to thank this thread for reminding me that the human race still exists in a state of barbarism

QFT. Lest we forget.

I'd like to thank this thread for reminding me that the human race still exists in a state of barbarism

I second this thanks.

Also, I think the real reason rapists and pedophiles are the bottom of the chain is you can probably get away with doing ANYTHING to rapists and pedophiles, since the guards probably hate them just as much as the prisoners.

There's a reason kid touchers aren't usually kept in general population.

or paediatricians

I think they should have killed them- I think that, humans being equal in essence, anyone has the moral authority to kill rapists and pedophiles.

so fuck the fact that there human and that they are very sick (I’d be very worried if anyone would disagree with this)

I'd like to thank this thread for reminding me that the human race still exists in a state of barbarism

Humans are violent brutal animals, forget that at your peril.

or paediatricians


...What?


so fuck the fact that there human and that they are very sick (I’d be very worried if anyone would disagree with this)

Actually, I'd be worried if anyone agreed to fuck the fact that they are human and very sick. Although not surprised.

I'd like to thank this thread for reminding me that the human race still exists in a state of barbarism

You had any doubt of that? We are brutish, instinctual, and emotional animals, very rarely thinking rationally and logically.

somehow I stood under the impression that in a constitutional state punishment should be left to the courts and not to other criminals?!What makes you think the courts are unaware of prison culture? Consider it an unofficial sentence of prolonged torture.

Whatever, the fuckers have no place in the traditional penal system. It's deeply disturbed individuals, not normal criminals. They belong in a leper colony type thing, not a normal prison. There's nothing morally justifiable about subjecting insane people to possibly lethal torture, and there's nothing sane about letting repeat sex offenders loose on society.

And whatever honour there might be amongst inmates, why is it they have to do your dirty work? If you want them tortured, legalize torture & set up some torture chambers.

I second this thanks.

Also, I think the real reason rapists and pedophiles are the bottom of the chain is you can probably get away with doing ANYTHING to rapists and pedophiles, since the guards probably hate them just as much as the prisoners.

Like I said: Everyone has a daughter/sister/niece/etc., thus everyone is going to be emotional charged around these people.

I think that, humans being equal in essence, anyone has the moral authority to kill rapists and pedophiles.
And I think that, humans being equal in essence, anyone has the moral authority to kill those crossing traffic lights at red and petty thieves. :headbang:

Humans are violent brutal animals, forget that at your peril.

only when we close our ears

edit: at least thats what I like to think :(

...What?

I was pointing out the paediatrician who got beaten up by a gang during the mirrors paedophile hunts

Have a stab at why.

I'm surprised by the division here, but I heard about these crimes when they occurred and you have to remember these aren’t just some guy's who gave into evil urges, they repeatedly subjected women and girls to hours of degradation and torture. As I believe "do onto others as you would have them do onto you", pity they weren’t sodomised as well....

And I think that, humans being equal in essence, anyone has the moral authority to kill those crossing traffic lights at red and petty thieves. :headbang:

Nah, if you agreed to not cross red traffic lights but do so anyway, you committed fraud, and possibly endangerment. One may apply for restitution, but only if they are the one affected by it. There was no obvious intent to commit harm. Petty theft is a bit worse, and if the owner wants restitution he is entitled to attain it. No one else is, however.

so fuck the fact that there human and that they are very sick (I’d be very worried if anyone would disagree with this)

Human, like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.? It's moral cowardice to just let them off the hook because you think they're 'sick'- after all, we could just say anyone who does anything bad is just 'sick' in some way and is not accountable for their actions. This is tantamount to determinism, which absolutely dehumanizes people, as it robs them of their consent to action, which is what separates humans from animals.

I'm surprised by the division here, but I heard about these crimes when they occurred and you have to remember these aren’t just some guy's who gave into evil urges, they repeatedly subjected women and girls to hours of degradation and torture. As I believe "do onto others as you would have them do onto you", pity they weren’t sodomised as well....

So lets say I guy with anger issues snaps at you this is somehow his fault and thus you are entitled to snap back at him, that’s some very fuzzy logic there

and no there isn't any division you made a thread thinking you could cheer some mindless violence like the thugs you mentioned

Human, like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.? It's moral cowardice to just let them off the hook because you think they're 'sick'

oh silly me I forgot that its perfectly normal to kill millions of people/touch children

but do tell me what you think of people with depression I'm sure it would be interesting

which is what separates humans from animals.

nothing separates humans from animals apart from an imagination and even that’s pushing it so could it be that maybe criminals need to be rehabilitated instead of punished :eek:

oh silly me I forgot that its perfectly normal to kill millions of people/touch children

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that it's not really anything essentially good to be human, as there have been humans who have committed evil acts. It's basically a neutral status.

but do tell me what you think of people with depression I'm sure it would be interesting

Well, 'people with depression' would include me, as I've been depressed and considered suicide, but I wouldn't say I was 'sick' or other people with depression were 'sick'.

nothing separates humans from animals apart from an imagination and even that’s pushing it so could it be that maybe criminals need to be rehabilitated instead of punished :eek:

OK, so you're not really writing what you just told me, you're just being controlled by instinct to disagree? Interesting.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that it's not really anything essentially good to be human, as there have been humans who have committed evil acts. It's basically a neutral status.

are you suggesting the genocidal maniacs you listed where sane?

Well, 'people with depression' would include me, as I've been depressed and considered suicide, but I wouldn't say I was 'sick' or other people with depression were 'sick'.

you take medicine and/or get councilling for a condition that is not of normal human behaviour no?

OK, so you're not really writing what you just told me, you're just being controlled by instinct to disagree? Interesting.

Yep its not just the consequences that stop me from killing everyone in site its also my brain and natural instincts same goes for my fear of heights to a point

The age old question: "If you are normal and everyone else is crazy hat does that make you?"

A recent study came out saying that over 60 percent of American Families ar edisfunctional, dosn't that mean we are the sane ones?

:sniper:

So lets say I guy with anger issues snaps at you this is somehow his fault and thus you are entitled to snap back at him, that’s some very fuzzy logic there

Yes it is your fault. I don’t care if you blame it on your bad child hood or mental imbalance. if you snap at some one, and every time you do you get the shit kicked out of you, I guarantee you would stop snapping at people, far quicker then years of therapy.


Oh silly me I forgot that its perfectly normal to kill millions of people/touch children

but do tell me what you think of people with depression I'm sure it would be interesting

ohh I see we shouldn’t punish criminals, their sick, we should send them to a psychiatrist... 'So you raped a dozen women, what’s that two more this morning, how does that make you feel?'


nothing separates humans from animals apart from an imagination and even that’s pushing it so could it be that maybe criminals need to be rehabilitated instead of punished :eek:

It’s naive to think you can change people, for instance are you going to change your views just because some one say's there wrong?? No, rehabilitation works on some people but usually only those who a forced into a life of crime due to circumstance, I wonder what you think made these men rape those women, because they had no other choice??

The one thing you'll learn about people with depression, they can only be helped if they want help. I can hear it now ‘ I don’t want to gang rape women, please help me doctor’

are you suggesting the genocidal maniacs you listed where sane?

If they were able to rationally plot how to kill so many people and in what ways, I cannot just write them off as being unaccountable for their actions.

you take medicine and/or get councilling for a condition that is not of normal human behaviour no?

Certain substances have certain effects on humans, so it would be logical to take them if we want to feel a certain way, and we are social creatures, hence the value of counselling, so yes, counselling and taking drugs is normal human behavior.

Yep its not just the consequences that stop me from killing everyone in site its also my brain and natural instincts same goes for my fear of heights to a point

I think it's kind of sad that you just think of yourself like that. If you're rational enough to get on these boards and argue with me, I think you're more than just an automaton reacting to instinct.

I think it's kind of sad that you just think of yourself like that. If you're rational enough to get on these boards and argue with me, I think you're more than just an automaton reacting to instinct.


And I think it's equally foolish to think that all animals are mindless automations. Insects certainly, but gorillas and dolphins? I don't think so.

Yes it is your fault. I don’t care if you blame it on your bad child hood or mental imbalance. if you snap at some one, and every time you do you get the shit kicked out of you, I guarantee you would stop snapping at people, far quicker then years of therapy.

and let me guess homeless people deserve to be homeless :rolleyes:

ohh I see we shouldn’t punish criminals, their sick, we should send them to a psychiatrist... 'So you raped a dozen women, what’s that two more this morning, how does that make you feel?'

as opposed to locking them in a cage for a few years and sending them out

I wonder what you think made these men rape those women, because they had no other choice??

because they couldn't help themselves maybe gee whiz its makes you think doesn’t it….

The one thing you'll learn about people with depression, they can only be helped if they want help. I can hear it now ‘ I don’t want to gang rape women, please help me doctor’

Or they can be brainwashed fairly simple considering all the knowledge on such matters

If they were able to rationally plot how to kill so many people and in what ways, I cannot just write them off as being unaccountable for their actions.

Insanity doesn’t equate complete lunacy if one part is broken it doesn’t mean the rest is

so yes, counselling and taking drugs is normal human behavior.

So your brain producing too much of on hormone is normal hmmm

I think it's kind of sad that you just think of yourself like that. If you're rational enough to get on these boards and argue with me, I think you're more than just an automaton reacting to instinct.

Nope where all machines or more to the point sacks of meat got any proof otherwise?

Nothing like a bit of vigilantism....:rolleyes:

are you suggesting the genocidal maniacs you listed where sane?

Plenty of genocidal maniacs are sane. Disturbingly, utterly, completely sane. That's why they're worrisome. The crazy genocidal maniacs almost never get any power.

Nothing like a bit of vigilantism....:rolleyes:

well not much of a surprise these threads do pop up about once a month

Plenty of genocidal maniacs are sane. Disturbingly, utterly, completely sane. That's why they're worrisome. The crazy genocidal maniacs almost never get any power.

Example?

Jesus fucking christ what a laugh! When I clicked the link I saw this advert:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/digitalnoface/JAN07_300x250-ten.jpg
God I love that!

At first I only saw her and the words "eight guys"

This gave me an interesting image.

Example?

Pol Pot. Totally sane, but still a genocidal maniac.

Oddly enough, I fail to see the honor in eight guys getting together to jump two others and try to beat them to death.
In fact, what I see is eight gutless cowards who exemplify the very worst kind of self-righteous filth the world can produce. If you want to try and conceal your utter lack of human dignity and worth by playing vigilanty, at least have the balls to do it in an fair fight.

Pol Pot. Totally sane, but still a genocidal maniac.

narcissism is a mental disorder....

I think they should have killed them- I think that, humans being equal in essence, anyone has the moral authority to kill rapists and pedophiles.

Hmm. Vigilante justice...

Ever thought that there was a reasonable chance that someone might kill the wrong person, or a falsely accused person?

The ethic of vengeance remains as unconvincing now as it's been every other time it's been proposed.

Causing needless suffering is always inexcusable.

narcissism is a mental disorder....

Okay, but narcissism is a fairly mild one. It's just caring about yourself a lot more than you care about others. It's nothing compared to stuff like depression, schizophrenia, OCD, or even some phobias.

Okay, but narcissism is a fairly mild one. It's just caring about yourself a lot more than you care about others. It's nothing compared to stuff like depression, schizophrenia, OCD, or even some phobias.

NPD Narcissistic Personality Disorder...seriously...read up on it...you will revise your statement.

and let me guess homeless people deserve to be homeless :rolleyes:
depends on their circumstasnces, if ithey choose to be homless then yes



as opposed to locking them in a cage for a few years and sending them out

who said anything about sending them out?


because they couldn't help themselves maybe gee whiz its makes you think doesn’t it….
ok, so... me and my for freinds were walking down the street and we just couldn't help ourselves from holding this girl to the ground and take turns raping her.

yeah i really symathise with them.



Or they can be brainwashed fairly simple considering all the knowledge on such matters
yes but you arguing from the moral high ground brainwashing is usaully considerd a bad thing, but hey i agree. brain wash away!!



Insanity doesn’t equate complete lunacy if one part is broken it doesn’t mean the rest is
So your brain producing too much of on hormone is normal hmmm

Yes but every one has a basic power of logic. If these men were snarling beasts then yes I would blame the condition, but having too much testosterone is no excuse to go out and repeatedly rape women.

now if you don't have urges to do the wrong thing at times, urges that you resist, then I envy you, I must have a multitude of mental disorders from what you describe, but the big difference is I don’t act or not act on impulses because of them, every human is born with the ability to reason, if you choose to ignore that ability then you must suffer the consequences.

Further more I want to ask you now if any of you have had a close friend of family member raped because I have and I tell you what it makes you think about things when the perpetrator is cunning and wily enough to get away with a crime which is supposedly a mental disorder, his brain seemed to be working fine to me.

now I just want to ask CTP to imagine your sister or daughter, or mother being held down and raped for hours, picture it, think on it for some time, men holding her down while they take turns violating her, all sniggering and laughing at her pathetic attempts to resist.... just think about that, then say, ‘oh but there sick, its not their fault.’

...What?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm

Example?

Not technically genocidal, but according to the US courts the actions of Jeffrey Dahmer were the actions of a sane man... we needn't go into the details here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm

I figured it was something like that. That's kind of funny actually, since it was only vandalism.

NPD Narcissistic Personality Disorder...seriously...read up on it...you will revise your statement.

I have NPD (well, had, I am mostly 'reformed' now). As mental disorders go it is extremely light. In fact, I am not sure if it is even classed as a true 'mental' disorder, as all mental functioning is regular and sound in NPD. Rather, I believe it is held as a 'personality disorder', a lesser and seperate category all together.

I have NPD (well, had, I am mostly 'reformed' now). As mental disorders go it is extremely light. In fact, I am not sure if it is even classed as a true 'mental' disorder, as all mental functioning is regular and sound in NPD. Rather, I believe it is held as a 'personality disorder', a lesser and seperate category all together.

No offense RC, but I think I just won this debate. What's it like having narcissism, anyway? Is it like the ultimate self-esteem boost, only it pisses people off?

Anyway, at the thread title, how is a 4-to-1 fight honorable? It's like Attila the Hun stomping a rabbit.

I figured it was something like that. That's kind of funny actually, since it was only vandalism.

Only vandalism to her house, but perhaps a lot more than that to her feelings and reputation.

Anyway, at the thread title, how is a 4-to-1 fight honorable?

It is less honourable than a Belfast punishment beating - in the incident under discussion here there is no possibility of the victim currently reoffending.

I figured it was something like that. That's kind of funny actually, since it was only vandalism.

Would you find it funny if you had 'paedo' daubed over your home?

Would you find it funny if you had 'paedo' daubed over your home?

I think I might chuckle at the poor spelling, yeah. I have a very strange sense of humor.

This is also one of the things that is much, much funnier when it happens to other people.

I think I might chuckle at the poor spelling, yeah.

What poor spelling?

I figured it was something like that. That's kind of funny actually, since it was only vandalism.
Absolutely.
It's hilarious to terrify, intimidate and threaten an innocent woman, isn't it?

Example?

Will give you two out of the United States. Look them up on the net. Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer. These two seemingly normal sane men killed dozens upon dozens of women.

Absolutely unacceptable. Prisons shouldn't be hell, no matter what the crime was.

And a gang of 8 beating a two guys mercilessly has no honor whatsoever.

Absolutely unacceptable. Prisons shouldn't be hell, no matter what the crime was.

And a gang of 8 beating a two guys mercilessly has no honor whatsoever.

ok i did'nt mean that what they did was honorable, it just sounded like a cool title,

and yes while prisons should'nt be hell, women also should'nt get gang raped on the streets, fix that problem first and i'll help you with the prisons.

I have NPD (well, had, I am mostly 'reformed' now). As mental disorders go it is extremely light. In fact, I am not sure if it is even classed as a true 'mental' disorder, as all mental functioning is regular and sound in NPD. Rather, I believe it is held as a 'personality disorder', a lesser and seperate category all together.

Which are your five traits?

I think they should have killed them- I think that, humans being equal in essence, anyone has the moral authority to kill rapists and pedophiles.

Hear hear! Bring back the gibbet cage!

I think they should have killed them- I think that, humans being equal in essence, anyone has the moral authority to kill rapists and pedophiles.

What is 'equal in essence' supposed to mean?

and yes while prisons should'nt be hell, women also should'nt get gang raped on the streets, fix that problem first and i'll help you with the prisons.

Aren't prisons meant to be part of the solution?

Not that I have much compassion for rapist.

But still, it is fucking HYPOCRISY. Prisoner trying to give them self some honorable reason to beat the hell out of someone when most of them probably have a hidden past of abusing people.

Which are your five traits?
I have bolded the traits I possess, or possessed in the past to greater degrees than I do now.

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)


(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love


(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations


(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends


(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Fixed this. I can empathise now.

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Never had this.


(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

8/9 all up.

I think they should have killed them- I think that, humans being equal in essence, anyone has the moral authority to kill rapists and pedophiles.
Why? Killing is worse than rape, because the latter is just a form of assault. Paedophilia and rape are evil, terrible crimes, but I don't know why so many people rate them as being worse than murder.

Obviously the solution to the pediatrician problem is to rename them noncedoctors. Because while we may be stupid, we are also politically correct to an insane degree these days.

While I don't feel much pity for those guys, I still have to wonder:

If you're a prisoner and in the state's custody - isn't it the state's obligation to care for your safety?

I have bolded the traits I possess, or possessed in the past to greater degrees than I do now.

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)


(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love


(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations


(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends


(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Fixed this. I can empathise now.

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Never had this.


(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

8/9 all up.

Interesting. What treatment have you taken? I have to admit I was not aware that there was a treatment.

If you don't want to discuss I can grok that.

Thanks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm
I bet those people feel like total assholes.

Why? Killing is worse than rape, because the latter is just a form of assault. Paedophilia and rape are evil, terrible crimes, but I don't know why so many people rate them as being worse than murder.
Because raping someone is more or less the worst thing you could possibly do to them? I wouldn't call it "just a form of assault".

Animal testing is a big no no nowadays.

But no one on this or any other Earth gives two shits about rapists or pedos; so fuck with the rights, use 'em as experiments.

Because raping someone is more or less the worst thing you could possibly do to them? I wouldn't call it "just a form of assault".

That and dead people don't have to worry for the rest of their being dead about being killed again.

Rape victims may feel extremely vulnerable after a rape. Frightened of being raped again, the mental anguish that someone could take pleasure out of their misery, etc.

I agree, it's not just assault, like beating someone in the head with a pipe, I consider a form of torture (in the mental/emotional sense)