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Title says it all. Please give reasons for your choice.

EDIT: And please forgive the misspelling of "Deep" in the poll. Bloody typos. :(

You're on a roll, aren't you? :p

TNG. If only because it was closest to Roddenberry's ideals. It was the only series in which he was able to do whatever he wanted. There are some very bad episodes, of course, but that's true of all the series. Just as there are truly excellent episodes in all of them. (Well, maybe not Enterprise... It had some good ones, but I can't think of any very good ones.)

EDIT: And please forgive the misspelling of "Deep" in the poll. Bloody typos. :(I thought you were just acting out your Johnny Depp/Ruffy fantasies.

You sick bastard.

TNG. If only because it was closest to Roddenberry's ideals. It was the only series in which he was able to do whatever he wanted. There are some very bad episodes, of course, but that's true of all the series. Just as there are truly excellent episodes in all of them. (Well, maybe not Enterprise... It had some good ones, but I can't think of any very good ones.)

Why does everyone pick on Enterprise? It was a helluva lot better than that Voyager drivel.

I thought you were just acting out your Johnny Depp/Ruffy fantasies.

You sick bastard.

I think I just threw up in my mouth.

DS:9.

Nuff said, except to ponder the proliferation of Star Trek threads.

DS:9.

Nuff said, except to ponder the proliferation of Star Trek threads.

On that, I plead the fifth.

And then I drink it.

Why does everyone pick on Enterprise? It was a helluva lot better than that Voyager drivel.

:eek: :(

you are mean.



besides everyone knows that DS9 is the worst Star Trek ever.

besides everyone knows that DS9 is the worst Star Trek ever.

No, DS9 was the best one. :p

TOS for me. Closely followed by DS9.

Why does everyone pick on Enterprise? It was a helluva lot better than that Voyager drivel.

Because the writers could never write a decent time travel episode, so they decided to write a whole time travel series. Then made it a thinly veiled 911 parable.

Why does everyone pick on Enterprise? It was a helluva lot better than that Voyager drivel.

Enterprise wasn't awful. But... the overall quality struck me as very low, compared to the other series - including Voyager. VOY had some very good episodes ("The Thaw", "Tuvix" and "Jetrel" spring to mind, but there are others).

HovmeyDaq leng "teH" ente'preySbe'! :p

No, DS9 was the best one. :p

it sucked and you know it. ;)

it sucked and you know it. ;)

I'm being serious. Check my vote in the poll. DS9 was the only one that didn't have the luxury of visiting a different planet every episode. It relied much more on plot and character development.

DS9.

While exploring humanity is nice for TOS and TNG, it wouldn't work for 3 series. DS9 introduced us to the political universe of Star Trek. It also gave us a more well rounded Worf, a kick ass ship, and a captain willing to make some tough decisions. (See "In the Pale Moonlight.")

yes, and it had very shallow characters. If you are going to have a character driven series, let's get some better characters.


One word: Garak. :p

EDIT: Hooray! The timewarps are back!

I'm being serious. Check my vote in the poll. DS9 was the only one that didn't have the luxury of visiting a different planet every episode. It relied much more on plot and character development.

yes, and it had very shallow characters. If you are going to have a character driven series, let's get some better characters.

I am serious too, I hate DS9......

TNG by far

One word: Garak.

Indeed. And Dukat, for that matter. Possibly the most interesting antagonist in any TV series ever.

Indeed. And Dukat, for that matter. Possibly the most interesting antagonist in any TV series ever.


The snivelling Weyoun clones were cool, too. :D

TNG was best, TOS was second.

DS9 and Voyager were rubbish, and I've never seen Enterprise.

The real question is whether Babylon 5 was better than TNG or not... ;)

The real question is whether Babylon 5 was better than TNG or not... ;)

The acting on Bab 5 was atrocious.

The acting on Bab 5 was atrocious.

The beginning of Series 1 was cheesier than macaroni cheese made with extra-mature cheddar and sprinkled with parmesan, but when it got in to the swing of things it was brilliant. Series 2 and 3 were excellent, and I'm going to stea^H^H^H^Hborrow Series 4 from my friend to see if it was as good as I remember...
Series 5 was a bit dull, though. From memory.

The beginning of Series 1 was cheesier than macaroni cheese made with extra-mature cheddar and sprinkled with parmesan, but when it got in to the swing of things it was brilliant. Series 2 and 3 were excellent, and I'm going to stea^H^H^H^Hborrow Series 4 from my friend to see if it was as good as I remember...
Series 5 was a bit dull, though. From memory.

Oh, I thought the writing was just fine, but the acting was absolutely vomitous. It completely killed it for me.

The beginning of Series 1 was cheesier than macaroni cheese made with extra-mature cheddar and sprinkled with parmesan, but when it got in to the swing of things it was brilliant. Series 2 and 3 were excellent, and I'm going to stea^H^H^H^Hborrow Series 4 from my friend to see if it was as good as I remember...
Series 5 was a bit dull, though. From memory.

Series five had problems. They got their budget cut, and JMS hadn't thought they would GET a season five, so he wrapped up most of the stuff he could by the end of season four.

Still, the last three episodes - Objects in Motion, Objects at Rest and Sleeping in Light - are some of the best SciFi TV ever made.

TNG and Voyager rocks for me. :D

Captain Janeway and Picard 69 position FTW! :D

A toss up between TOS and TNG for me. Next Gen most closely aligns with the ideas and ideals that I think make the Trek universe what it is, but...well. I grew up watching Kirk kick every ass and bed every woman between Earth and the Great Barrier. And the Constitution model looked WAY better than the Galaxy. The TOS movies were better too; Generations was the only one I really legitimately liked. I'll give my impulsive, nostalgic vote to Kirk, Spock, and Bones.

I liked early DS9 a bit, before that interminable war story line. Late-seasons Voyager was ok, once I stopped hating all the actors. Enterprise...I've maybe seen six episodes in my life. It's the only show in the Trek franchise that I rate below non-Trek science fiction (coming in well behind Quantum Leap, ironically).

The movies are rated, from favorite to least: IV, II, VI, VII, I, III, VIII, V, X, IX.

The movies are rated, from favorite to least: IV, II, VI, VII, I, III, VIII, V, X, IX.

IV?!? Seriously? WoK was, by far, the best.

Captain Janeway and Picard 69 position FTW! :D

I think I just threw up in my mouth again.

Voyager

IV?!? Seriously? WoK was, by far, the best.

Heh, Khan was really, really good. It saved the franchise. I just like IV for the same impulsive reasons I picked TOS over TNG: it made me laugh and I remember watching it over and over again when I was younger. Since IV, they haven't been brave enough to poke fun at themselves with a comedy movie. Sure, their were a few episodes -- "Our Man Bashir" being one of my favorites -- but the franchise as a whole became much less funny after Voyage Home.

Title says it all. Please give reasons for your choice.

EDIT: And please forgive the misspelling of "Deep" in the poll. Bloody typos. :(

I like the Original Ruffy. Ruffyprise was just an attempt to correct all the factual errors and continualty mistakes they made with the later series.

the Ruffy Generation was more like Imperialism and Depp Ruffy 69 only got interesting at the end.

Ruffyer had the chance to go back to the original formula, but they botched it.

Edit: the spelling of Depp Ruffy 69 kinda adds a Johnny Depp image to it. :D

TNG was by far the best, and certainly the most popular among the fans (note the lack of DS9, Voyager or Enterprise movies as one gauge of that.) TNG had some truly outstanding episodes, and "The Inner Light" is an absolute masterpiece. DS9 had some decent episodes, such as "Duet" and "The Maquis"; Voyager had one really good two-part episode, "A Year of Hell"; Enterprise had a lot of pretty good episodes but no true standouts.

Edit: the spelling of Depp Ruffy 69 kinda adds a Johnny Depp image to it. :D

Yeah, Hack caught that right away. Made me throw up in my mouth.

Why does everyone pick on Enterprise? It was a helluva lot better than that Voyager drivel.

Hardly. While I watched every Voyager episode that was on TV, as soon as I saw Broken Bow (which I was stupid enough to record) I lost intrest. It just was NOT Star Trek. Voyager was very strange Trek, this thing wasn't Trek at all. It tried to appeal to all audiances. Now while I know I shouldn't expect the first crew in Starfleet to act Trekish, I just couldn't take it. They all seemed...well...dumb. And they tried way too much to make T'Pol like 7 of 9. Some already did Seven guys, make a VULCAN chick.
Of course, I give everything a chance, and I watched a few more episodes, but hey, after ten episodes it still stunk. Whatever you say about Voyager, it still ran longer then Enterprise.

Hardly. While I watched every Voyager episode that was on TV, as soon as I saw Broken Bow (which I was stupid enough to record) I lost intrest. It just was NOT Star Trek. Voyager was very strange Trek, this thing wasn't Trek at all. It tried to appeal to all audiances. Now while I know I shouldn't expect the first crew in Starfleet to act Trekish, I just couldn't take it. They all seemed...well...dumb. And they tried way too much to make T'Pol like 7 of 9. Some already did Seven guys, make a VULCAN chick.
Of course, I give everything a chance, and I watched a few more episodes, but hey, after ten episodes it still stunk. Whatever you say about Voyager, it still ran longer then Enterprise.

I think that Voyager was going for the "Explore strange new worlds" that was in the creed and what was rarely done in TNG and DS9. they had opportunities to take Star Trek to a whole new level and they just kept fumbling the ball on that one.

Whatever you say about Voyager, it still ran longer then Enterprise.

Yeah, and Friends ran longer than both of them. Doesn't mean it wasn't shite.

Captain Janeway and Picard 69 position FTW! :D

Sigged for the lose.

Sigged for the lose.

Well played! http://209.85.48.8/9854/48/emo/roflma.gif

I think I just threw up in my mouth again.

oh use a bucket next time

I like Voyager because it's so bad it's good. The uniform ripping commercial was the best commercial ever.

Yeah, and Friends ran longer than both of them. Doesn't mean it wasn't shite.

I kinda see your point in that statement...

I think that Voyager was going for the "Explore strange new worlds" that was in the creed and what was rarely done in TNG and DS9. they had opportunities to take Star Trek to a whole new level and they just kept fumbling the ball on that one.

We only have a limited amount of Torpedoes/shuttles/replicator energy but we never actually run out!

By the way, replicator energy? Energy is energy, particularly when you're technically advanced enough to use it to build objects particle by particle.

We only have a limited amount of Torpedoes/shuttles/replicator energy but we never actually run out!

By the way, replicator energy? Energy is energy, particularly when you're technically advanced enough to use it to build objects particle by particle.

I blame that on three things:

1. Rick Berman. Asshole should never have gotten the torch.
2. Brannon Braga. Idiot should never have been considered a writer. Without Ronald Moore to turn his scripts into something decent, everything degenerated. Especially when he wrote with Berman. Note such travesties as Enterprise's final episode, "These Are The Voyages..." for an example.
3. Stock footage. They didn't bother to take the time to shoot Voyager in several different states of disrepair as they really should have to allow for various times when Voyager would be damaged in one way or another. Instead they only shot the normal stock flybys and so we had to cope with it. The idea behind Voyager was fantastic. The execution was abysmal.

We only have a limited amount of Torpedoes/shuttles/replicator energy but we never actually run out!

By the way, replicator energy? Energy is energy, particularly when you're technically advanced enough to use it to build objects particle by particle.
oh I agree with that assessment. It would've been interesting to see what happens when they are down to their LAST torpedo.

oh and yes, energy is energy, but Neelix's solution in conserving energy was unique... to the crew anyway.


I blame that on three things:

1. Rick Berman. Asshole should never have gotten the torch.
2. Brannon Braga. Idiot should never have been considered a writer. Without Ronald Moore to turn his scripts into something decent, everything degenerated. Especially when he wrote with Berman. Note such travesties as Enterprise's final episode, "These Are The Voyages..." for an example.
3. Stock footage. They didn't bother to take the time to shoot Voyager in several different states of disrepair as they really should have to allow for various times when Voyager would be damaged in one way or another. Instead they only shot the normal stock flybys and so we had to cope with it. The idea behind Voyager was fantastic. The execution was abysmal.oh man... they had many opportunities...

including destroying Voyager once and for all. Can you imagine say... the fourth season, they have to learn how to operate a totally alien ship that was given to them because they sacrificed Voyager to save a planet from destruction at the end of the third season?

Sigged for the lose.
For the lose?! :eek:

Meanie. :(

including destroying Voyager once and for all. Can you imagine say... the fourth season, they have to learn how to operate a totally alien ship that was given to them because they sacrificed Voyager to save a planet from destruction at the end of the third season?

...wait, what? That didn't happen. I think you're remembering incorrectly.

Also, Neelix was a neat guy. I'd almost contemplate eating his cooking. I say almost because I reserve the right of eating food from fictional chefs for fictional chefs who are obviously extremely good at what they do, such as Quina from Final Fantasy IX.

...wait, what? That didn't happen. I think you're remembering incorrectly.

Also, Neelix was a neat guy. I'd almost contemplate eating his cooking. I say almost because I reserve the right of eating food from fictional chefs for fictional chefs who are obviously extremely good at what they do, such as Quina from Final Fantasy IX.
I didn't say it did, I just said wouldn't that be a nice twist on things if that DID happen.

...wait, what? That didn't happen. I think you're remembering incorrectly.

Also, Neelix was a neat guy. I'd almost contemplate eating his cooking. I say almost because I reserve the right of eating food from fictional chefs for fictional chefs who are obviously extremely good at what they do, such as Quina from Final Fantasy IX.
I once rented an actual Star Trek cook book, loaded with recipies. it was cool. :D. And of course, Neelix was on the front cover. :D

I didn't say it did, I just said wouldn't that be a nice twist on things if that DID happen.
Reading comprehension is on my list of things to learn.

Plutonian Empire: You geek. :p Also, yes for the lose, because it makes other people feel faintly disgusted.

Plutonian Empire: You geek. :p Also, yes for the lose, because it makes other people feel faintly disgusted.

Faintly?

Faintly?

As Europa Maxima said, I am a master of understandment. And I'm not even British! :D

Reading comprehension is on my list of things to learn.

Plutonian Empire: You geek. :p Also, yes for the lose, because it makes other people feel faintly disgusted.
Making people feel disgusted FTW! :D :fluffle: :D

besides everyone knows that DS9 is the worst Star Trek ever.

Pfft...and you call yourself a fan.

I'll even take Voyager *shudder*...over Enterprise *vomit*

DS9 introduced us to the political universe of Star Trek. It also gave us a more well rounded Worf, a kick ass ship, and a captain willing to make some tough decisions. (See "In the Pale Moonlight.")

yes, and it had very shallow characters. If you are going to have a character driven series, let's get some better characters.

I am serious too, I hate DS9......

Funny...and here I thought it was TNG that had shallow characters.

I'm honestly wondering just how much of DS9 you have seen. There are many arguments as to why it's not the best, but saying it's the worst because of shallow characters...sounds to me like someone who hasn't watched since season 2.

Go watch...

Destiny (season 3)
The Visitor (season 4)
In the Cards (season 5)
Far Beyond the Stars (season 6)
Treachery, Faith, and the Great River (season 7)

...and then come back and tell me DS9 has shallow characters.

One word: Garak. :p

Indeed. And Dukat, for that matter. Possibly the most interesting antagonist in any TV series ever.

The snivelling Weyoun clones were cool, too. :D

Indeed...DS9's greatest strength was not only great regular characters, but excellent recurring ones as well.

I plan to make a big post tonight illustrating just why DS9 is the best of Trek, but it'll have to wait until tonight...as I'm off to class. :)

pffft. I hated DS9. No new worlds (eg, planets) to explore. Bunch of fugly aliens leeching all over the place.

I plan to make a big post tonight illustrating just why DS9 is the best of Trek, but it'll have to wait until tonight...as I'm off to class. :)

Where's the post you promised? :p

pffft. I hated DS9. No new worlds (eg, planets) to explore.

Having new worlds to explore all the time is a crutch. Saves you from actually developing characters.

Bunch of fugly aliens leeching all over the place.

All of which would probably beat you in a beauty pageant. :p

DS9 as it was the only series that truly dealt with concepts of loss, death, and the tragedy of war, as well as included real elements of political intrigue, the dark underbelly of "paradise" and, for the real first time in trek, through the founders, showed just how alien alien could be.

We only have a limited amount of Torpedoes/shuttles/replicator energy but we never actually run out!

By the way, replicator energy? Energy is energy, particularly when you're technically advanced enough to use it to build objects particle by particle.
I don't see it on the Voyager wiki page now, but at some point during the series someone said exactly how many torpedos Voyager had. In the course of the show they fired more than that number. Seems the writers can't count.
DS9 as it was the only series that truly dealt with concepts of loss, death, and the tragedy of war, as well as included real elements of political intrigue, the dark underbelly of "paradise" and, for the real first time in trek, through the founders, showed just how alien alien could be.

QFT. All of the various series have their moments, but DS9 is probably the best overall.

Title says it all. Please give reasons for your choice.

EDIT: And please forgive the misspelling of "Deep" in the poll. Bloody typos. :(

Clearly, you are a Star Trek fan. I don't know what gave me this idea but I think I'm right. :D


And I think I'm stuck between DS9 and Voyager as a favorite. I suppose it would depend on my mood. Of course Spike TV just recently started showing Voyager episodes so I have gotten back into that show. :)

Of course Spike TV just recently started showing Voyager episodes so I have gotten back into that show. :)

Ew.

Ew.

The Cheese Episode...

The Cheese Episode...

The entire Voyager series was cheese -- and moldy, runny cheese at that.

EDIT: And please forgive the misspelling of "Deep" in the poll. Bloody typos. :(

I thought it would mean that Johnny Depp would play the role of Ruffy.:D

DS9 had the best characters of any series.

Dukat was the most complex villain ever. For the first 5 and a half seasons, you didn't know what to think of him. It wasn't until "Waltz" and "Tears of the Prophet" that you were truly able to come to a conclusion on whether he was good or evil.

Weyoun was simply amazing.

Garak is the greatest trek character of all time.

Quark provided for some good comic relief.

The DS9 writers decided to actually develop Worf, something TNG failed to do.

Why does everyone pick on Enterprise? It was a helluva lot better than that Voyager drivel.

bullshit. Voyager FTW :)

Where's the post you promised? :p

Thread dissappeared and I forgot! :p

I should have time to do it tonight though. I shall try not to dissapoint.

It helps that I took the time to watch all seven seasons in order early last year...the whole series really stands up well as a whole, as opposed to the others, which vary widely from season to season.

But I'll save it for tonight...I'm procrastinating on school work enough as it is. :p

Enterprise got good in seasons 3 and 4. The arc with the Xindi Superweapon was pretty good.

Enterprise got good in seasons 3 and 4. The arc with the Xindi Superweapon was pretty good.

Star Treks (with TOS being the obvious exception) tend to find their stride in season 3.

The DS9 writers decided to actually develop Worf, something TNG failed to do.

As well as O'Brian.

Ew.

Ha! Clearly you have no idea what good Star Trek is.

*sniffs*

bullshit. Voyager FTW :)

Voyager really is something. The Borg get quite a whooping in that series, always fun. :D

Voyager really is something. The Borg get quite a whooping in that series, always fun. :D

i like the characters, the characterisation (sp?) that goes on during the series, with many of the characters starting off as 'blank-slates' and getting to see them grow (Kim, the Doctor (the best ST character ever :p), 7of9, Paris to an extent)

i also love it as, to me, its the closest to following Roddenberry's original concepts and ideologies while still remaining interesting. i love TNG for the same reason, but VOY just tops it for me.

plus, of course, new alien species are cool (except the Kazon, who sucked ass) and more Borg is always a good thing :D



to me, the thing that sets Star Trek apart from ordinary other sci-fi is roddenberry's ideology, which is something i can relate to, as well as the sense of optimism for the future. i love how, in TNG especially, each episode is essentially a morality play at its core, and VOY resurrects that after DS9 (which is still enjoyable to me but just not the same)

Voyager really is something. The Borg get quite a whooping in that series, always fun. :D

Funny...I thought the complete de-fanging of the Borg over the course of that show (by one fucking ship, no less) ruined Trek's greatest villains.

But whatever.

Voyager really is something. The Borg get quite a whooping in that series, always fun. :D

And that is why voyager sucked. The Enterprise D was almost completely (and effortlessly) destroyed and only saved by Q's intervention when they first encountered them. One borg cube, ONE, took out nearly the entire federation fleet at Wolf 359.

Voyager...ripped through them like a knife through tissue paper. The borg were meant to be insidious, evil, single minded, and extremely powerful.

Voyager just made them into another set of aliens in a black suit.

i like the characters, the characterisation (sp?) that goes on during the series, with many of the characters starting off as 'blank-slates' and getting to see them grow (Kim, the Doctor (the best ST character ever :p), 7of9, Paris to an extent)

i also love it as, to me, its the closest to following Roddenberry's original concepts and ideologies while still remaining interesting. i love TNG for the same reason, but VOY just tops it for me.

plus, of course, new alien species are cool (except the Kazon, who sucked ass) and more Borg is always a good thing :D



to me, the thing that sets Star Trek apart from ordinary other sci-fi is roddenberry's ideology, which is something i can relate to, as well as the sense of optimism for the future. i love how, in TNG especially, each episode is essentially a morality play at its core, and VOY resurrects that after DS9 (which is still enjoyable to me but just not the same)

Can't really disagree with anything you've said here, the characters were certainly dynamic, changing all the time and anyone who doesn't love the Doctor's character is nuts. The Kazon were like whimpy Klingons but not everything can be perfect. Visiting aliens, new worlds, nice to go back to that after DS9. :)

Funny...I thought the complete de-fanging of the Borg over the course of that show (by one fucking ship, no less) ruined Trek's greatest villains.

But whatever.

And that is why voyager sucked. The Enterprise D was almost completely (and effortlessly) destroyed and only saved by Q's intervention when they first encountered them. One borg cube, ONE, took out nearly the entire federation fleet at Wolf 359.

Voyager...ripped through them like a knife through tissue paper. The borg were meant to be insidious, evil, single minded, and extremely powerful.

Voyager just made them into another set of aliens in a black suit.

Voyager really wasn't as powerful as you make it out to be and I seem to recall the Borg being at different strengths throughout the Star Trek shows anyway, it was never standard. Besides, I wasn't thinking of Voyager doing the ass-kicking but Species 8472. They, after all brought about some interesting plot twists that I most certainly enjoyed.

Star Treks (with TOS being the obvious exception) tend to find their stride in season 3.That is very true. TNG and DS9 both got better with their 3rd season. The first 2 DS9 series were horrible. The final 5 seasons are the best Trek on TV though.

That is very true. TNG and DS9 both got better with their 3rd season. The first 2 DS9 series were horrible. The final 5 seasons are the best Trek on TV though.

DS9's first two seasons really aren't that bad...they just don't have a larger arc like the rest do. There's lots of set up, both of characters and of politics, that comes into play later. Plenty of good character building episodes as well, like season 1's Duet.

DS9's first two seasons really aren't that bad...they just don't have a larger arc like the rest do. There's lots of set up, both of characters and of politics, that comes into play later. Plenty of good character building episodes as well, like season 1's Duet.

The first 2 seasons did have some good episodes. I would agree on Duet.

I really liked TNG and Voyager. TOS is also good. DS9 is iffy in my opinion. It took such a nosedive after they introduced the Dominion... I really liked some episodes, though. As for Enterprise, I have only seen bits and pieces.

In my opinion, TNG and Voyager are the closest to the idyllic and idealistic Star Trek vision.

I would have to go with TOS followed by TNG (excluding TNG movies which I hated)

I especially like the overall tackiness of TOS that added allot of charm to it I really loved the Horta and above all red shirts

anyone who doesn't love the Doctor's character is nuts

the doctors are always the best characters IMHO

I thought it would mean that Johnny Depp would play the role of Ruffy.:D

Now THAT would be funny! :D

DS9 had the best characters of any series.

Dukat was the most complex villain ever. For the first 5 and a half seasons, you didn't know what to think of him. It wasn't until "Waltz" and "Tears of the Prophet" that you were truly able to come to a conclusion on whether he was good or evil.

Weyoun was simply amazing.

Garak is the greatest trek character of all time.

Quark provided for some good comic relief.

The DS9 writers decided to actually develop Worf, something TNG failed to do.

Definitely agreed on Garak. And yeah, Worf did get developed, unlike on TNG, where all he did was get his ass kicked and ask to fire photon torpedoes.

Enterprise got good in seasons 3 and 4. The arc with the Xindi Superweapon was pretty good.

I actually liked Enterprise a lot. The dialogue alone was brilliant.

the doctors are always the best characters IMHO

You need help, my friend. The doctors are the most annoying characters, especially that stupid fucking hologram knobjockey.

I'm not exactly a "trekkie", having watched only the first season and some additional episodes scattered throughout the series of Voyager, part of the first season of DS9, and some of TNG's 3rd or maybe 4th season. I didn't like the early episodes of Voyager as much, but it seemed they got better later on; I liked the DS9 and TNG episodes, but I didn't watch enough of them to make complete story arcs, so I'll have to go and find the DVD boxed sets somewhere. I guess.

(Are they available online or something, maybe?)

(Are they available online or something, maybe?)

Everything's available online, even your sister. :p

Everything's available online, even your sister. :p

Which is particularly odd because I don't have a sister. (According to those who equate negative charge with femininity via ancient Eastern philosophy, I'm the female sibling.)

Which is particularly odd because I don't have a sister. (According to those who equate negative charge with femininity via ancient Eastern philosophy, I'm the female sibling.)

I think I saw you on eBay. :p

Dukat was the most complex villain ever. For the first 5 and a half seasons, you didn't know what to think of him. It wasn't until "Waltz" and "Tears of the Prophet" that you were truly able to come to a conclusion on whether he was good or evil.


Indeed. I found it a great shame that DS9 eventually did try to make up our minds. "Waltz" was an excellent episode... right up until the last 20 seconds or so, which ruined the whole thing.

Indeed. I found it a great shame that DS9 eventually did try to make up our minds. "Waltz" was an excellent episode... right up until the last 20 seconds or so, which ruined the whole thing.

It may have stunk that they had to do it, but "Waltz" was a necessary episode. They needed that to set up "Tears of the Prophets," "Covenant," and Dukat's actions in the 9 episode finale.

You need help, my friend. The doctors are the most annoying characters, especially that stupid fucking hologram knobjockey.

You poor, poor man. How you could not respect the greatness of The Doctor is beyond me. Has to be one of the best examples of character development out there and his Robert Picardo's character was just so amusing!

You poor, poor man. How you could not respect the greatness of The Doctor is beyond me. Has to be one of the best examples of character development out there and his Robert Picardo's character was just so amusing!

Quite agreed. In fact, I think the Doctor was the only character on Voyager that I really liked. (Well, I suppose Neelix was always good for a laugh, in more of a Three Stooges way). Bashir was above average (especially in "Our Man Bashir" -- to date my favorite episode of DS9), Crusher was meh, we only had one season of Pulaski (similarly, one (sort of) episode of Piper), and McCoy is probably my favorite character in Star Trek history.

I used to think TNG was the best series (it's still better than DS9 and Voyager - never seen Enterprise - and I don't think it's fair to compare any of the new ones with TOS); but seeing a couple of reruns in the last month makes me realise how nauseatingly "90s" it is. Just watching a couple of episodes gave me a morbid desire to paint in pastels and read Men are from Mars.