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I know it's a horribly tired issue, but I'm sick to death of Mac ads. You know the ones, with the nerdy guy and "hip, trendy" guy as PC and Mac respectively (no need for shoddy subliminal messaging here).

Honestly, are Mac really that insecure about the size of their penis? The thing is, I really didn't mind Macs until I saw these damn ads pop up. It's so goddamn pretencious. I've seen political campaigns less deflammatory.

ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH

Anyway, I just needed to get that off my chest.

So when you see the ads, you think, "PCs are a bit rubbish yet ultimately lovable, whereas Macs are just smug, preening tossers." In other words, it is a devastatingly accurate campaign.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html

Charlie Brooker is a genius. :)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html

Charlie Brooker is a genius. :)

This article amuses me, and I wish to subscribe to his newsletter...

Crazy, there's an advertising campaign where a company promotes its virtues while ridiculing a competing product?

The devil you say...

i've always found mac users to be pretentious

its a little clique that tends to think its better than everyone else, and advertises itself as such.


i still remember the iMac ads a while back on TV saying you could "rip and burn!!"... big wow. even at the time burning CDs was nothing new on PCs, and ripping Mp3s wasn't either.

someone was telling me about thier friend's new mac with all the 'bits' inside the screen, and how happy he was with it and how cool it was. PCs did that almost a decade ago. big whoop.


i do pretty much hate macs. not for what they are, but what they try to be and the way they see themselves

ps: the ipod looks like a cross between a child's toy and some kind of cheap medical equipment

Crazy, there's an advertising campaign where a company promotes its virtues while ridiculing a competing product?

The devil you say...

In Australia, the most derogatory ads are the battery ones, Ever-ready vs Duracel. Even that's done using cute cartoon characters.

A product should be good enough that they don't NEED to point out the flaws in the competition.

Crazy, there's an advertising campaign where a company promotes its virtues while ridiculing a competing product?

The devil you say...

we don't get that much in british advertising

I know it's a horribly tired issue, but I'm sick to death of Mac ads. You know the ones, with the nerdy guy and "hip, trendy" guy as PC and Mac respectively (no need for shoddy subliminal messaging here).

Honestly, are Mac really that insecure about the size of their penis? The thing is, I really didn't mind Macs until I saw these damn ads pop up. It's so goddamn pretencious. I've seen political campaigns less deflammatory.

ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH

Anyway, I just needed to get that off my chest.

You spelt pretentious wrong.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html

Charlie Brooker is a genius. :)

See, this is why you Brits are downright hilarious. Plus, your accents are lovely.

You spelt pretentious wrong.


I know, I wasn't quite sure with that one. I swear I've gotten progressively worse at spelling since high school.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html

Charlie Brooker is a genius. :)

Unless you have been walking around with your eyes closed, and your head encased in a block of concrete, with a blindfold tied round it, in the dark - unless you have been doing that, you surely can't have failed to notice the current Apple Macintosh campaign starring David Mitchell and Robert Webb

wow, i must have being doing just that :p


but i fucking love that article :D :p


Ultimately the campaign's biggest flaw is that it perpetuates the notion that consumers somehow "define themselves" with the technology they choose. If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality.

i was almost rolling around laughing at that one :P

See, this is why you Brits are downright hilarious. Plus, your accents are lovely.
Indeed. No one can do scathing humour quite like us Brits. :)

I don't see the appeal of Macs. Used one in primary school. Felt like I was pussyfooting around. I was too old for a Mac when I was 6. I can't believe grown men and women use the things.

I know it's a horribly tired issue, but I'm sick to death of Mac ads. You know the ones, with the nerdy guy and "hip, trendy" guy as PC and Mac respectively (no need for shoddy subliminal messaging here).

Honestly, are Mac really that insecure about the size of their penis? The thing is, I really didn't mind Macs until I saw these damn ads pop up. It's so goddamn pretencious. I've seen political campaigns less deflammatory.

ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH

Anyway, I just needed to get that off my chest.

Heheh it is funny. When I ask Mac supporters why the went the Mac way, I find it is all about the styling of the things, that and ohhhh shit who am I kidding that is it, there is no other reason.

Thats okay though I guess, I mean it is not unusual to buy a car for this very reason. I can't help thinking though what life would be like if we all brough our electrical goods based not on the job it does but on what it looks like?

Heheh it is funny. When I ask Mac supporters why the went the Mac way, I find it is all about the styling of the things, that and ohhhh shit who am I kidding that is it, there is no other reason.

oh come on, all the mac users i know (ok, all two of them) espouse the reason being that PCs were shit and were always crashing and that their macs do things their PC didn't out of the box.

my answer to the first one is generally along the lines of either "learn how to use a PC, its not hard", or "use windows XP - it very, very, very, very rarely crashes"

the usual retort to the second one is just :rolleyes:
if you know how to use the fucking internet you can get your PC do almost anything, what with the availability of open source software meaning you rarely have to pay for shit.


nowt wrong with the macs themselves, just the users i know claiming they are better than me, or their computers are, because they use macs.

oh come on, all the mac users i know (ok, all two of them) espouse the reason being that PCs were shit and were always crashing and that their macs do things their PC didn't out of the box.

my answer to the first one is generally along the lines of either "learn how to use a PC, its not hard", or "use windows XP - it very, very, very, very rarely crashes"

the usual retort to the second one is just :rolleyes:
if you know how to use the fucking internet you can get your PC do almost anything, what with the availability of open source software meaning you rarely have to pay for shit.


nowt wrong with the macs themselves, just the users i know claiming they are better than me, or their computers are, because they use macs.


Ohhh yeah I sorta screened all of that out as lies, and only mentioned the nitty grrtty truth of the matter!

The real truth though is a comparible Mac and PC are about the same, functionwise, the Mac cost more, coz it looks nice.

I mean how many people do you know that buy a steron coz it looks nice rather than the qauility of the sound produced? That I guessz is the heart of my point.

I know it's a horribly tired issue, but I'm sick to death of Mac ads. You know the ones, with the nerdy guy and "hip, trendy" guy as PC and Mac respectively (no need for shoddy subliminal messaging here).

Honestly, are Mac really that insecure about the size of their penis? The thing is, I really didn't mind Macs until I saw these damn ads pop up. It's so goddamn pretencious. I've seen political campaigns less deflammatory.

ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH

Anyway, I just needed to get that off my chest.

I have to wonder why PC users are so whiney about the ads. You're in the vast majority--don't you guys know that you should never punch downward? It just raises your opponent to your level. It's really pathetic coming from Bill Gates.

I have to wonder why PC users are so whiney about the ads. You're in the vast majority--don't you guys know that you should never punch downward? It just raises your opponent to your level. It's really pathetic coming from Bill Gates.

Heheh perhaps the whole Mac vs PC thing dredges up bad bullying memories from school?

You know the scenerio, where the popular, rich, well dressed, spoilt kid(Mac) is constantly beating on the loner, poor, dressed in hand-me-downs, has no toys kid(PC)?


Or *cough* perhaps I just give a little too much of my own psyhce away! Hahahha.

I don't know, man. I'd been using PCs since like OS/2 and they where a constant pain in my ass, to the point where I never bothered to do anything I didn't have to. I had really wanted to like computers but man, just couldn't get into it.

I'm all nuts, I just couldn't get into configuring things and measuring specs and having to keep up with what thing does what to do whatzit.

But I stayed loyal to the PC until I had to get a Mac to run Final Cut Pro. The fact that it just does what it supposed to do and is more or less intuitive, I wouldn't buy a PC again on a dare.

And frankly it has little to do with the 'styling.'

Honestly I run into more people who are 'offended' by Mac use than people who 'feel better' than PC users. You guys should really fucking relax. Maybe it's all that fidgeting with crap on your PCs that make you up tight, I don't know.

If you use a PC, fine. I use a Mac, unclench.

I don't know, man. I'd been using PCs since like OS/2 and they where a constant pain in my ass, to the point where I never bothered to do anything I didn't have to. I had really wanted to like computers but man, just couldn't get into it.

I'm all nuts, I just couldn't get into configuring things and measuring specs and having to keep up with what thing does what to do whatzit.

But I stayed loyal to the PC until I had to get a Mac to run Final Cut Pro. The fact that it just does what it supposed to do and is more or less intuitive, I wouldn't buy a PC again on a dare.

And frankly it has little to do with the 'styling.'

Honestly I run into more people who are 'offended' by Mac use than people who 'feel better' than PC users. You guys should really fucking relax. Maybe it's all that fidgeting with crap on your PCs that make you up tight, I don't know.

If you use a PC, fine. I use a Mac, unclench.



LIAR!

Shit dude, and I thopught you was onbe of the good guys too!:eek:

it's just a stupid ad, like every other stupid ad on tv. if you don't like it, then don't turn on your tv


i think that the mac ads are kind of amusing. and the ads only hit on very small differences between the computers.

Macs are generally used by people with little computer skill, or people who pose like they have computer skill, and switch when they're out of their depth.

Macs are generally used by people with little computer skill, or people who pose like they have computer skill, and switch when they're out of their depth.

And you guys say Mac users are elitists. :rolleyes:

Macs are generally used by people with little computer skill, or people who pose like they have computer skill, and switch when they're out of their depth.

Ohhh fight fight fight fight!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html

Charlie Brooker is a genius. :)

gigglesworth :D

i like the bit about the single mouse button! why on earth did they think one was better than 2 or 3 anyway?

I don't know, man. I'd been using PCs since like OS/2 and they where a constant pain in my ass, to the point where I never bothered to do anything I didn't have to. I had really wanted to like computers but man, just couldn't get into it.

I'm all nuts, I just couldn't get into configuring things and measuring specs and having to keep up with what thing does what to do whatzit.

But I stayed loyal to the PC until I had to get a Mac to run Final Cut Pro. The fact that it just does what it supposed to do and is more or less intuitive, I wouldn't buy a PC again on a dare.

And frankly it has little to do with the 'styling.'

Honestly I run into more people who are 'offended' by Mac use than people who 'feel better' than PC users. You guys should really fucking relax. Maybe it's all that fidgeting with crap on your PCs that make you up tight, I don't know.

If you use a PC, fine. I use a Mac, unclench.

nothing agianst macs or mac users (at least, not much), just against the image that's put out by mac's own PR and some users (like my fucking pretentious friend)

gigglesworth :D

i like the bit about the single mouse button! why on earth did they think one was better than 2 or 3 anyway?
I've never understood that either. When my laptop was broken last summer, I was relying on my local internet cafe for internet access, and they only had Macs. The number of times I'd forget the Mac mouse only had one button, and I'd wonder why I'd apparently done something stupid, just because I'd tried to right-click. No scroll-wheel either, although that wasn't so much of a problem.

The use of the characters has to do more with this than anything else, I think :

http://www.wedontsmell.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/mac-pc-tv-ads.jpg

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/06/bill_gates_halo_3.jpg

http://veerle.duoh.com/images/uploads/steve_jobs.jpg

The MAC / PC ads have a lot of references to the early days of the battle that most posters on here won't know about or remember. For example the whole GUI book thing has to do with how Microsoft essentially took the Mac's technology, and Macintosh bitched about it. Ironically enough, they basically lifted it from Xerox.

That's Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, for those who don't know. The ads mean something totally different when you actually get the meaning, which most people don't, which I would say probably indicates bad advertising.

I've never understood that either. When my laptop was broken last summer, I was relying on my local internet cafe for internet access, and they only had Macs. The number of times I'd forget the Mac mouse only had one button, and I'd wonder why I'd apparently done something stupid, just because I'd tried to right-click. No scroll-wheel either, although that wasn't so much of a problem.
yeh, the lack of scrollwheel is just inconvenient. but right clicking is so useful, i can spend ages on my computer without even touching the keyboard. i can be lying on the sofa with my computer on the table and still able to do everything i need to do with the computer from comfort.

No scroll-wheel either, although that wasn't so much of a problem.
man i couldn't live without a scroll wheel :eek:

http://veerle.duoh.com/images/uploads/steve_jobs.jpg


i bet that steve jobs guy has really smelly feet.

Indeed. No one can do scathing humour quite like us Brits. :)

Yeah. I was just going to comment about the raw sarcasm. The English definitely have that market solidly cornered:
The only way to have fun with a Mac is to poke its insufferable owner in the eye.
:D :D :D

But I have never really used mac, so I don't have much of a comment on that. I've heard they are more focused on office software than anything else.

man i couldn't live without a scroll wheel :eek:
As only a casual computer user, I easily could. Plus when I first got my laptop, I didn't get a mouse for about 18 months, so was forced to use the touchpad.

man i couldn't live without a scroll wheel :eek:


Heheh man how did we used to cope in the 'olden days' huh. DOS anyone?

The use of the characters has to do more with this than anything else, I think :

http://www.wedontsmell.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/mac-pc-tv-ads.jpg

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/06/bill_gates_halo_3.jpg

http://veerle.duoh.com/images/uploads/steve_jobs.jpg

The MAC / PC ads have a lot of references to the early days of the battle that most posters on here won't know about or remember. For example the whole GUI book thing has to do with how Microsoft essentially took the Mac's technology, and Macintosh bitched about it. Ironically enough, they basically lifted it from Xerox.

That's Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, for those who don't know. The ads mean something totally different when you actually get the meaning, which most people don't, which I would say probably indicates bad advertising.

I thoughts Jobs worked on the iPod, not the Macs?

Then again, I haven't been spying on Apple in ages.

I know it's a horribly tired issue, but I'm sick to death of Mac ads. You know the ones, with the nerdy guy and "hip, trendy" guy as PC and Mac respectively (no need for shoddy subliminal messaging here).

Honestly, are Mac really that insecure about the size of their penis? The thing is, I really didn't mind Macs until I saw these damn ads pop up. It's so goddamn pretencious. I've seen political campaigns less deflammatory.

ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH

Anyway, I just needed to get that off my chest.

Mac realizes that their position on proprietary stuff pretty much hands the Windows PC tons of customers that would use a Mac. So instead of changing their business practices (the same kind that nearly killed off half a dozen companies in the 90s), they try for some bullshit advertising.

Heheh man how did we used to cope in the 'olden days' huh. DOS anyone?Mmm... DR-DOS.

Was also back when backslash had a use... and pranks were so much more potent...

C:\> format c: -y -u
C:\> deltree c:\dos -y

Dont really care for the adds or the machines ... I cant imagine spending that much for hardware of the same manufacturer (for the most part) as you would use in a PC

I have never really cared for the OS either personally the first thing I do is find the terminal and go from there. (PS anyone else find their symbolic link of badness and horrible file organization scheme anoying?)

Mac realizes that their position on proprietary stuff pretty much hands the Windows PC tons of customers that would use a Mac. So instead of changing their business practices (the same kind that nearly killed off half a dozen companies in the 90s), they try for some bullshit advertising.

It's kept them in the game, while others have gone by the wayside. Something's got to be working for them.

But macs never get viruses.. Because no one uses a fucking mac!

Seriously, can you play any games on a mac? I think Solitaire is too advanced for it to handle. Macs are overpriced and under performing pieces of shit. Last time I used one I was about 10 years old and it was more like a toy than anything useful. Ooh I can type out a letter on here.

PC is my main source of news and entertainment. Mac could handle news, but what the hell can you play?

But macs never get viruses.. Because no one uses a fucking mac!

Seriously, can you play any games on a mac? I think Solitaire is too advanced for it to handle. Macs are overpriced and under performing pieces of shit. Last time I used one I was about 10 years old and it was more like a toy than anything useful. Ooh I can type out a letter on here.

PC is my main source of news and entertainment. Mac could handle news, but what the hell can you play?
I have a Playstation for playing games, and I barely use that. Why in the hell would I want to clutter up my workstation with games? I spend too much time here as it is. If I played games, I'd never get anything done.

I have a Playstation for playing games, and I barely use that. Why in the hell would I want to clutter up my workstation with games? I spend too much time here as it is. If I played games, I'd never get anything done.

Work station? People use computers to work?

Heheh man how did we used to cope in the 'olden days' huh. DOS anyone?

what olden days? I still have programs that I use for work that run in DOS only.

what olden days? I still have programs that I use for work that run in DOS only.

Heh yes dear but we all know you are old!:eek:

what olden days? I still have programs that I use for work that run in DOS only.

Heh yes dear but we all know you are old!:eek:
I'll hold him, you smack him Smunkee. ;)

I <3 Mitchell and Webb.

Heh yes dear but we all know you are old!:eek:
it's a program licensed from the US Government......they haven't upgraded it.... like ever. I even had to get my husband to download an old version of DOS on one of my machines to make it work. It's actually quite nostalgic and fun, except for the fact that I am "mouse-addicted"

I freaking hate cursor keys......

I know it's a horribly tired issue, but I'm sick to death of Mac ads. You know the ones, with the nerdy guy and "hip, trendy" guy as PC and Mac respectively (no need for shoddy subliminal messaging here).

Honestly, are Mac really that insecure about the size of their penis? The thing is, I really didn't mind Macs until I saw these damn ads pop up. It's so goddamn pretencious. I've seen political campaigns less deflammatory.

ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH

Anyway, I just needed to get that off my chest.


I think the whole concept of "nerdy=loser" "hip/trendy is better" backfires by using John Hodgman (http://www.areasofmyexpertise.com/l) as the PC guy in the US version of the ads. He's clearly the better of the two characters. I freakin' love that guy.

Macs are generally used by people with little computer skill, or people who pose like they have computer skill, and switch when they're out of their depth.

Actually, most of the people I know who use Macs are using them because they're very good for doing graphics and design work, not because they lack computer skills.

man i couldn't live without a scroll wheel :eek:

Me either. *smooches his scrool wheel*

Seriously, can you play any games on a mac? I think Solitaire is too advanced for it to handle. Macs are overpriced and under performing pieces of shit. Last time I used one I was about 10 years old and it was more like a toy than anything useful. Ooh I can type out a letter on here.

PC is my main source of news and entertainment. Mac could handle news, but what the hell can you play?

That's what I like about the PC: its versatility. And I've practically abandoned console gaming since my last major computer upgrade a little over a year ago.

Mac users pretentious? naaaahhhhh (http://www.uriahcarpenter.info/1984.html).

I love the commercials because they really just shoot themselves in the foot. Between the two, which would you hire? The well dressed, lovable, oaf. Or the skinny, casually dressed teen, who tends to be a prick?

Mac users pretentious? naaaahhhhh (http://www.uriahcarpenter.info/1984.html).

I love the commercials because they really just shoot themselves in the foot. Between the two, which would you hire? The well dressed, lovable, oaf. Or the skinny, casually dressed teen, who tends to be a prick?

is that a trick question?

I think the whole concept of "nerdy=loser" "hip/trendy is better" backfires by using John Hodgman (http://www.areasofmyexpertise.com/l) as the PC guy in the US version of the ads. He's clearly the better of the two characters. I freakin' love that guy.

having him on those ads makes him funnier when i see him on the daily show. its a great thing for him.

is the mac guy anyone that i might see somehwere else?

having him on those ads makes him funnier when i see him on the daily show. its a great thing for him.

is the mac guy anyone that i might see somehwere else?

He resembles the kid from Dodgeball and Galaxy Quest, but I'm not certain.

is that a trick question?

The commercials only make me like PCs more because the character is just so lovable. Touché :D

it's a program licensed from the US Government......they haven't upgraded it.... like ever. I even had to get my husband to download an old version of DOS on one of my machines to make it work. It's actually quite nostalgic and fun, except for the fact that I am "mouse-addicted"

I freaking hate cursor keys......
and more likely not in our life time
Actually, most of the people I know who use Macs are using them because they're very good for doing graphics and design work, not because they lack computer skills.

i was told they are good for that type of work

is that a trick question?

Yeah--would anyone hire an oaf just because he's lovable? I mean, for anything other than babysitter.

He resembles the kid from Dodgeball and Galaxy Quest, but I'm not certain.

Yeah it's him. He was also in a more recent movie called "Accepted".

The commercials only make me like PCs more because the character is just so lovable. Touché :D

I love my PC.

I know two classes of Mac users

1 the trendy idiots
2 the graphics and editing crew

both of them tend to annoy me, although the people in group 2 hardly ever use the Mac outside of work and most of them have PC's at home for personal use.

I love my PC.

I know two classes of Mac users

1 the trendy idiots
2 the graphics and editing crew

both of them tend to annoy me, although the people in group 2 hardly ever use the Mac outside of work and most of them have PC's at home for personal use.

You know me and I'm in neither of those groups. ;)

Meh. I like PCs, they suit my computing purposes better than Macs do (currently, anyway). That said, I don't really care what anyone else prefers. :)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html

Charlie Brooker is a genius. :)

AMEN, BROTHER!

Ah, we've got real journalism in the UK. None of this 'news' bollocks...

You know me and I'm in neither of those groups. ;)

hmm.... why do you use a Mac? this is interesting to me.

i don't think all my games can be played on the MAC only on the PC

hmm.... why do you use a Mac? this is interesting to me.I don't do any hardcore programming--any programming at all outside of basic personal web design--but I like the interface. I'm a writer and an internet user, so the important thing to me is ease of use, and the Mac is just easier to use than the PC to me, and I've been using computers since the old days. The first one I ever used was a TI 99/4a.

And the last selling point to me was the lack of worry over viruses, comparatively speaking. I know that it has less to do with the stability of the platform and more to do with the lack of market share, but the fact is that I don't have to sweat viruses nearly as much as my girlfriend does on her desktop PC. I paid a little more upfront for my laptop, but when you factor in what people pay in time and aggravation and virus protection programs, I figure I came out at least even.

Edit: Oh yeah--I'm not a gamer, so that doesn't matter to me at all.

it's a program licensed from the US Government......they haven't upgraded it.... like ever. I even had to get my husband to download an old version of DOS on one of my machines to make it work. It's actually quite nostalgic and fun, except for the fact that I am "mouse-addicted"

I freaking hate cursor keys......

sadly adobe products seem to want me to use fucking curor keys all the time for everything... like just zooming on an image. grrr :mad:

i suppose you could make the argument, if you were an ad executive (which i am not) that by having both the adorably nerdy pc guy and the young hip guy, you tend to associate either persona with the mac brand, regardless of which you prefer or identify with

and even if you hate them both, you talk about their product, which we're all doing here, and any attention directed towards the brand is good.

hodgman is brilliantly funny -- you only see a bit of it on his daily show appearances. i love the ads for him alone.

ps: the ipod looks like a cross between a child's toy and some kind of cheap medical equipment

Oooooh, what a stinging assessment - well, we'll see who's laughing when you're back at the tech shop tomorrow desperately trying to pawn back the steel brick that is your Zune to try and get a replacement. :)

By the way, Macs are PCs now, champs.

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Mac ads are the reason Macs cost more than PCs.
They're also the reason that Macs still exist.

If Mac users are happy with subsidizing state-of-the-art, amusing ads, I'm quite happy to sit back and watch. Ads don't work on me anyway.

I don't do any hardcore programming--any programming at all outside of basic personal web design--but I like the interface. I'm a writer and an internet user, so the important thing to me is ease of use, and the Mac is just easier to use than the PC to me, and I've been using computers since the old days. The first one I ever used was a TI 99/4a.

And the last selling point to me was the lack of worry over viruses, comparatively speaking. I know that it has less to do with the stability of the platform and more to do with the lack of market share, but the fact is that I don't have to sweat viruses nearly as much as my girlfriend does on her desktop PC. I paid a little more upfront for my laptop, but when you factor in what people pay in time and aggravation and virus protection programs, I figure I came out at least even.

Edit: Oh yeah--I'm not a gamer, so that doesn't matter to me at all.

I guess that makes sense. I totally get the interface thing too, I woke up this morning to MS Word 2007 and it pissed me off.........I hate the new interface (small example I know)

the thing that annoys me about the ads is that they are lies.

there may be a few things that mac does better. i see from this thread that the best film editing software is an apple product that works only on macs. good reason to have a mac then.

ive used macs for years and never found them better at anything that ive used them for. ive never found them to be worse either. except for the stupid one button mouse but you adjust to that.

their lack of diversity in hardware providers does make it easier to buy a peripheral that will work on any particular mac that you own. some times its still a chore to get them to work right.

but anyway, back to the LIES. the mac ads emphasize that mac is more FUN. what a ridiculous suggestion. if you want a computer for FUN you would never buy a mac. its too expensive and has a serious lack of fun software. not only that but its hard to find the little bit of fun mac software that exists.

i dont know, for example, how many of the mmorpgs have mac clients but those that do took many years before bothering to devlop them. trying to find ANY game that comes with a mac version is a chore. you cant even play online poker without using a windows simulator. they just are not FUN.


these ads suggest that you buy a windows based computer if you are a workaholic and a mac if you want to enjoy yourself. the truth is completely the opposite. that annoys me.

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UP YOURS MAC!

UR te such. AMIGO FTW!

No, really. Read the guidelines and don't start your posting career by vomiting on yourself.

EDIT: Here, Hookie-whatever, read this. A gift from the hippy generation to whatever yours is: Steal This Book (http://www.tenant.net/Community/steal/steal.html). Read a bit of it, anyway, it's a hoot.

Is this the "100 billion million trillon viruses on pc. a few less on macs('cos they p00n all. In your face PC losesr!!!!!!one111!!)" advert?

I'd just like to correct it to:

lots of viruses on unsecured windows. far fewer on:

UNIX
linux
BSD (all flavours)
DOS
most computers with an alternative architecture (not x86).
secured windows running a sensible user (uncommon but it happens).
mac

UR te such. AMIGO FTW!

No, really. Read the guidelines and don't start your posting career by vomiting on yourself.


I'd say it's already too late.

Mac ads are the reason Macs cost more than PCs.
They're also the reason that Macs still exist.

If Mac users are happy with subsidizing state-of-the-art, amusing ads, I'm quite happy to sit back and watch. Ads don't work on me anyway.


Heheh ads don't work on you? Ohhh really!

Heheh ads don't work on you? Ohhh really!

Well, the do sort-a.

If an ad particularly offends me, I go to the shop they mention and vandalize the display model.

Dude, Macs SUCK!!! They are so annoying. I love PCs. I could honestly give a crap less if Macs get less viruses (and yes they DO get viruses, contrary to popular ads) PCs are SO much better than Macs. Seiriously, what the @#$% can you do with a mac, beyond graphics and bills?
Abolutly nothing (and they totaly suck for gaming, have you ever heard of a hardcore mac gamer? No? Maybe it's because they don't @$%&ing exist!). I really hate their dumb commercials too. The dissing of PCs (which tend to have way better software, and more power) gets a little excessive. Mac inc.s last futile attempt to save their crumbleing company is failing miserably (how many people do you know that own a Mac?). I say that they just GIVE UP. :upyours: UP YOURS MAC!


Wow!:eek:

Wow!:eek:

Yeah, you'd think he didn't know Apple reported a billion dollars in profits last quarter. ;)

secured windows running a sensible user (uncommon but it happens).
mac


Hahahah ahhhhh say you don't work in support do ya?

Error of the user interface, and all that!

Yeah, you'd think he didn't know Apple reported a billion dollars in profits last quarter. ;)

With a huge chunk of that being from iPod sales.

Hahahah ahhhhh say you don't work in support do ya?

Error of the user interface, and all that!

I'm just a computer geek. Most realy tech-savy people are likely not to be using Windows anyway. Seeing as they are the most unlikley to download and run a virus (as root) It is a majour contributor to the lack of viruses on all the (cool) OSs like, for example, linux.

Though realy it was just a nasty attack on Windows. There are proberbly more sensible users than I sujested...just.

With a huge chunk of that being from iPod sales.

Absolutely--but the tard I was referring to called Apple a crumbling company.

I use a mac...but only cause it was second hand and free. This thread makes me sad... I thought people who actually HATED mac users and macs were joking. :(

*shrug* I use both a Mac and PC. I grew up using Macs (Macintosh Classic, baby). I learned PCs my first year at university. Now it's like being able to drive a stick. My boss bought his wife a Mac for her birthday, the trouble was neither one of them knew how to use it. He basically paid me to come over and give her lessons.

So no, I don't think Mac users are "better" than those that use a PC. It's just like being able to speak two languages, or rub your head and pat your tummy at the same time. They're both just different types of tools.

Is this the "100 billion million trillon viruses on pc. a few less on macs('cos they p00n all. In your face PC losesr!!!!!!one111!!)" advert?

I'd just like to correct it to:

lots of viruses on unsecured windows. far fewer on:

UNIX
linux
BSD (all flavours)
DOS
most computers with an alternative architecture (not x86).
secured windows running a sensible user (uncommon but it happens).
mac

DOS P00NS ALL!

I will not Google "p00n" ... I will not Google "poon" ... I will not Google "πoon" ... I will not -- aRGH!

I use a mac...but only cause it was second hand and free. This thread makes me sad... I thought people who actually HATED mac users and macs were joking. :(

Awww. :fluffle:
People who HATE mac users and macs are JOKES.
AMIGO FTW, btw ;)

So no, I don't think Mac users are "better" than those that use a PC. It's just like being able to speak two languages, or rub your head and pat your tummy at the same time. They're both just different types of tools.

Indeed. I have a Mac desktop and a PC laptop. I use and like both; each has its advantages and its disadvantages. I can't imagine why anyone would get up in arms about the perceived superiority of their machine, let alone complain about the fact that ads for Macs suggest that (gasp! horror!) Macs are better in some ways than PCs. Somehow I doubt these same people shriek in similar shock and ire when a deodorant commercial suggests that their product, unlike competitors, does not leave white streaks on your shirt, or when a paper towel commercial shows a side-by-side comparison of how much more liquid their product will absorb compared to their competitors.

*shrug* I use both a Mac and PC. I grew up using Macs (Macintosh Classic, baby). I learned PCs my first year at university. Now it's like being able to drive a stick. My boss bought his wife a Mac for her birthday, the trouble was neither one of them knew how to use it. He basically paid me to come over and give her lessons.

So no, I don't think Mac users are "better" than those that use a PC. It's just like being able to speak two languages, or rub your head and pat your tummy at the same time. They're both just different types of tools.

Indeed. I have a Mac desktop and a PC laptop. I use and like both; each has its advantages and its disadvantages. I can't imagine why anyone would get up in arms about the perceived superiority of their machine, let alone complain about the fact that ads for Macs suggest that (gasp! horror!) Macs are better in some ways than PCs. Somehow I doubt these same people shriek in similar shock and ire when a deodorant commercial suggests that their product, unlike competitors, does not leave white streaks on your shirt, or when a paper towel commercial shows a side-by-side comparison of how much more liquid their product will absorb compared to their competitors.

You, Sirs/Madaams, have put the best articulated response to the strangeness of the PC/Mac division.

Well done, have a biscuit!

Addendum: There is no biscuit, I gave it to my dog.

I'm another one who's used both for years, there's no overall difference. Mac's were better integrated but, smaller market means more costly and less variety of software. (Not neccessarily a bad thing at times, Corel Suite vs MS office used to be major pain at work.)

When my home Mac was within a generation of my work PC (10 years ago and both old machines,) the Mac ran faster at some things (primarily graphics uses) and not much slower at the rest with a slower processor, the advantage of RISC. The biggest complaint then (Window95-98) was instability, work PCs crashed monthly, home Mac (which I used more at the time) had 2 crashes over 3-4 years.

Since then, both have improved, PCs seemingly more-so as they've managed a lot of catchup though PC install instructions still seem to take 50-100% more steps then Mac ones. Though most are "click next" now.

My next laptop will likely be a Mac as it can now run both systems (and Linux) as I've found things I like better about each and my current newest machine is a PC laptop with an older iMac desktop.

BTW, my Mac mouse is a 4 button with tilt/scroll wheel (tilt allows side scrolling,)... probably going to update the laptop one, two buttons and scroll wheel is sooo passe. :D

I use my Mac for making music.

I use my PC for most other things.

My Mac has been around for a while - I guess about 6, 7 years. An older generation, venerable, and I don't even put OS X on it. Why bother? It works fine for what I need it to do.

And I like my PC too, don't get me wrong. But I'm sure as fuck glad I don't make my music on this thing. At some point my harddrive crashed for no apparent fucking reason and oops, there goes gigabytes of data. If I'd been doing my music on it I would have lost everything I've ever written or recorded. So yeah, that whole virus and unreliability thing is NOT to be dismissed off-hand as irrelevant.

I don't use my Mac because advertisements say it's "fun." I use it cuz I have a use for it. Who really, really buys things for the reasons stated in TV commercials? I mean honestly? Ever just turn in a moment of complete seriousness to your friend and say, "Hey, you should try these. They're zesty!" I haven't. So yeah, Mac ads are stupid, but so are ads for just about everything else. This is nothing new.

It's kept them in the game, while others have gone by the wayside. Something's got to be working for them.

Until Linux picks up real speed and is able to compete with Windows then Mac will have to pull an Opera and realize if they want to stay in the game they will have to stop being elitists dicks. Or, Windows could just keep doing what they are doing in Vista and keep appealing to the only real thing people like about Macs - the interface. Either way, Mac will eventually go down as a computer maker or step their shit up and make it available to work on generic PCs.

This thread has outed one thing for me, there are a fair number of PC users that are whiners and kinda babies. "How can you be happy with a product I don't use? WAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!" Geez, man. Someone saying they prefer a Mac isn't a personal attack on you. The ads? Yeah, but the important thing to remember is that they are ADS!

Unclench.

Apple were the first company to produce a commercial computer with a GUI
Also the first commercial computer to use a mouse
They didn't invent the ideas, Xerox-Parc did, but they gave Apple a free look-around, and were surprised when Apple implemented some of the cool ideas they'd been shown for free
When Apple was testing a GUI machine (as none existed at the time) they tested a range of devices - one-button mouse, two-button mouse, trackpad, trackball, etc - and the user feedback preferred the one-button mouse because people were still getting used to the idea of 'clicking' - left- or right- clicking was a bit like running before learning to walk
this doesn't excuse the anachronism of sticking to a one-button mouse two decades later...
as the first GUI home computer, Apple focussed primarily on 'desktop publishing' therefore the Mac became very graphics-focussed, and has remained the mainstay of the publishing and advertising industries for two decades because of this

I'm a photoshop artist, been doing it professionally for about ten years, and I've worked on Mac and Windows - and in terms of Adobe graphics applications, a Mac creams a Windows PC every time - because the Mac is optimised towards graphic work

I've always lamented the dire games market on the mac, but this issue will be resolved for me, as I'll be buying an Intel Mac the moment Adobe releases Creative Suite 3
Intel Macs can also run Windows - best of both worlds! Run OSX for work, switch to Windows for games, all on one shiny and well-integrated machine

Your small-minded and hateful retorts, please?

Your small-minded and hateful retorts, please?

Hypocritical much?

Hypocritical much?

not really - show me a comment that isn't petty on this thread by someone who doesn't like Macs

not really - show me a comment that isn't petty on this thread by someone who doesn't like Macs

By your definition then, your post was petty.

By your definition then, your post was petty.

only the last sentence, maybe
care to respond to any of the paragraphs preceding the last sentence?

I just dont like the "I'm better than you" mentality of both sides. I prefer PCs for games, but Macs have good points.


The ads hurt my feewings. :(

only the last sentence, maybe
care to respond to any of the paragraphs preceding the last sentence?

Sure.
Whoever stole the GUI interface from who first doesn't matter when in a debate about the current position of Macs and Windows, or any other OS based, PCs. And it isn't that the Macs are optimized for graphic works, its that they are a set of proprietary hardware and software whose combination makes graphic work more workable on a Mac than a PC where what people can do is far more varied and simultaneous. If Macs were "optimized for graphic work" they wouldn't do anything else at all, or at least not do it well. PSPs are optimized for gaming, but you can do other stuff on them, but that's not what they were designed for (well not primarily). That and the fact Adobe is optimized for Macs, not the other way around.

I was a dedicated Mac user for fifteen years until I just got so sick of it all I bought a PC. And I've been much happier and better-served for it.

No regrets whatsoever.

Oooooh, what a stinging assessment - well, we'll see who's laughing when you're back at the tech shop tomorrow desperately trying to pawn back the steel brick that is your Zune to try and get a replacement. :)

lol BS. i had a Creative Zen for about 3 or 4 years till i dropped it down some stairs and the HD died (saddest day ever :()
it was a very pretty steel brick. better steel brick than plastic toy

it isn't that the Macs are optimized for graphic works, its that they are a set of proprietary hardware and software whose combination makes graphic work more workable on a Mac than a PC where what people can do is far more varied.

This is why I continued to work with Macs as long as I did. However, ultimately, the graphics I produced were being consumed on PCs - my clients were all PC-based (and continue to be PC-based) - and there were too many wretched little obstacles to delivering my product (Mac gamma vs. PC gamma, proprietary formats, crucial software packages not running at all easily or well on Macs (if at all), etc., etc., etc.) that I finally blew my gasket and left the clique for good.

And for the most part, it's been one of the single-best decisions I've ever made.

lol BS. i had a Creative Zen for about 3 or 4 years till i dropped it down some stairs and the HD died (saddest day ever :()
it was a very pretty steel brick. better steel brick than plastic toy

My Zen was alrite actually. Not in the league of my new, shiny IPod, naturally, but I liked it all the same.

In regard to the advert, it is pretty much standard post-realism fare, but Mitchell and Webb do it better than most.

Those ads make me glad I'm a PC user. Not because they make Macs look pretentious, or because I want to be reactionary, but because they actually make Macs look less useful than PCs.

Anything a computer can do in "just a few clicks" means that the UI ha completely robbed the user (me) of any real control over what's being done here. PCs aren't blameless here - they do this too, just check out Word 2007 - but this is the whole raison d'être of Macs: to be useless.

Sure.
Whoever stole the GUI interface from who first doesn't matter when in a debate about the current position of Macs and Windows, or any other OS based, PCs.

I observed the origin of the GUI in the course of explaining the origin of the one-button mouse - because the two are linked
I also state that the one-button mouse is an anachronism today
This in response to several posts questioning why a one-button mouse existed

And it isn't that the Macs are optimized for graphic works, its that they are a set of proprietary hardware and software whose combination makes graphic work more workable on a Mac than a PC where what people can do is far more varied and simultaneous. If Macs were "optimized for graphic work" they wouldn't do anything else at all, or at least not do it well. PSPs are optimized for gaming, but you can do other stuff on them, but that's not what they were designed for (well not primarily). That and the fact Adobe is optimized for Macs, not the other way around.

Im? It's not that they're optimised, it's just that... they're optimised?
'Optimised' doesn't mean to the exclusion of other functions

How is a PC 'far more varied and simultaneous'?
There are more applications available for PC, sure - but the functions a computer can perform aren't limited by commercial software - there's no reason a Mac couldn't do the things you use your PC for, it's just not cost-effective to produce Mac versions of every piece of PC software out there
as for 'simultaneous', i have absolutely no idea what you even mean by this comment

back to the original topic - i don't have a telly so haven't seen the ads in question, but they do sound pretty trite from comments i've heard from friends, Mac and PC users both

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html

Charlie Brooker is a genius. :)I think I remembering hearing from an old columnist for the Guardian (Suzanne Moore) that they all work on Macs over at the Guardian HQ. Sweet irony.

Um...I actually liked the adverts. My bad?

Im? It's not that they're optimised, it's just that... they're optimised?
'Optimised' doesn't mean to the exclusion of other functions
But it does mean that graphical development has to be in mind when designing the hardware. And you ignored my other point on it.

there's no reason a Mac couldn't do the things you use your PC for,
Except for the proprietary hardware.

The AMIGO thing is a joke.
I shouldn't have toe xplain it, but I'm impatient 'cos on my way to bed.

It's Amiga, misspelled. Like, I've heard that back in the day, Amigi were the bomb, its roxored or whatever, and I'm burning the barn and painting the town red about the evil injustice of how they oppressed the Amigu, and made it to fail by making it seem better than it could be. And other stuff which I can't tell you because it was a conspiracy and I don't want to die.

But I never actually owned one. At least that's what I tell the squares.
Oh, and it wasn't really called the Amiga. That was straight-talk, to confuse the Man. It's the other thing. ;)

EDIT: I wrote this eight hours ago, just posted it now by mistake. Hey, never mind, and good morning NSG!

Mac realizes that their position on proprietary stuff pretty much hands the Windows PC tons of customers that would use a Mac. So instead of changing their business practices (the same kind that nearly killed off half a dozen companies in the 90s), they try for some bullshit advertising.

Yeah. They should make some of their better software open-source. I mean, I almost became a Mac convert because of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashboard (software)).

But it does mean that graphical development has to be in mind when designing the hardware. And you ignored my other point on it.

You mean about Adobe? I don't know whether they optimise their software for Mac or not - I can't see them deliberately making the Windows version inferior though.

Except for the proprietary hardware.

Macs are now all running Intel chips, and can run Windows with full hardware integration. What are you referring to?

Yeah. They should make some of their better software open-source. I mean, I almost became a Mac convert because of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashboard (software)).

Why didn't you convert, if you're that impressed?

Macs are now all running Intel chips, and can run Windows with full hardware integration. What are you referring to?
Get back to me when you can plug a nVidia 8800 GT into a new Intel Mac.

Why didn't you convert, if you're that impressed?
I don't think you are paying attention. That or your a hypocrite and are really a Mac fanboy lashing out at everyone who dare not use a Mac.

Get back to me when you can plug a nVidia 8800 GT into a new Intel Mac.

Fair enough, you can't customise a Mac infinitely - I was thinking in terms of the range of options when buying a new machine, not after-purchase customisation.

I don't think you are paying attention. That or your a hypocrite and are really a Mac fanboy lashing out at everyone who dare not use a Mac.

Calm down, that comment wasn't even directed to you. He says he almost converted, I asked what stopped him. No attack or hypocrisy there.

At what point have I 'lashed out', other than anticipating an attacking response to my first post on this thread (which you immediately provided)?

Or, Windows could just keep doing what they are doing in Vista and keep appealing to the only real thing people like about Macs - the interface.
I hope not - I hate the Mac interface.

In fact, that's what I like least about IE7. If I wanted to use Safari, I'd get a Mac. That I don't use a Mac is evidence that I don't want my operating system to behave as if I'm using a Mac.

That said, I really liked OS/2.

I had to use a mac today.:( Thats all I have to add to the argument really.*Sobs quitely to self*

Screw Macs AND PC's - it's all about the Commodore 64/128 bitches!

load "digdug",8,1 FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Screw Macs AND PC's - it's all about the Commodore 64/128 bitches!

load "digdug",8,1 FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The 128 was buggy as hell. 64 all the way.

The 128 was buggy as hell. 64 all the way.

Mine was both OS's at once. Actually there was a third operating system which was designed for internet use (though I don't think it was referred to as the internet at the time), which I never used because I was young and didn't know how.

How was the 128 buggy? I've never encountered a single problem with it.

What I thought was amusing was the advert I saw with Mitchell (as a PC) holding a sign saying "I'm good at work things." and Webb (as a Mac) holding one that said "I'm good at fun things." Yet I have yet to see any of my favourite games made available for Mac. :p

Um...I actually liked the adverts. My bad?

Nah, lots of people like the ads, myself included. They're funny. :)

I hope not - I hate the Mac interface.

In fact, that's what I like least about IE7. If I wanted to use Safari, I'd get a Mac. That I don't use a Mac is evidence that I don't want my operating system to behave as if I'm using a Mac.

That said, I really liked OS/2.
The real problem with IE7 is the designers got high and made everything obscenely unintuitive.

This thread has outed one thing for me, there are a fair number of PC users that are whiners and kinda babies. "How can you be happy with a product I don't use? WAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!" Geez, man. Someone saying they prefer a Mac isn't a personal attack on you. The ads? Yeah, but the important thing to remember is that they are ADS!

Unclench.

pfffft

mac users are just as defensive.

mac vs pc is one of the great rivalries of the ages. like sparta vs athens, coffee vs tea, playstation vs xbox, coke vs pepsi.

as such it creates high emotions and deep insecurity on both sides.

I can't stand the lack of right clicking ability. Nor do I trust the fact that for a desktop, the monitor and the computer are built into one unit. I've had so many monitors crap out on me with PCs that still ran perfectly.

That being said, I think next time I get a desktop, I'm going to try to build it myself (perhaps with extensive help from a friend).

Also, I hate the ads. They're almost like smear campaigns...

[Exhibit A]I can't stand the lack of right clicking ability . . .
[Exhibit B]I'm going to try to build it myself
Now this mindset, I've never understood. Notice that in Exhibit A, the PC user expresses a concern that they don't like the default mouse that comes with a Mac. This is perfectly understandable, as they are ugly, one-buttoned and prone to breaking down.
However, in Exhibit B, the User confesses to a desire to construct an entire computer from scratch. That this User, who is somehow incapable of unplugging the original Mac Mouse and then plugging a $15 USB mouse from a 3rd party, is able to locate all the individual innards for a PC and put them together is proof of something both bizarre and wonderful about the Universe.

Now this mindset, I've never understood. Notice that in Exhibit A, the PC user expresses a concern that they don't like the default mouse that comes with a Mac. This is perfectly understandable, as they are ugly, one-buttoned and prone to breaking down.
However, in Exhibit B, the User confesses to a desire to construct an entire computer from scratch. That this User, who is somehow incapable of unplugging the original Mac Mouse and then plugging a $15 USB mouse from a 3rd party, is able to locate all the individual innards for a PC and put them together is proof of something both bizarre and wonderful about the Universe.

And then we take into account that PC hardware does not work with Mac hardware and that PCs are the major home computer style and therefore the only retailers who carry Mac hardware are Apple specific outlets and hard to find and even online stores segregate Mac away into some shadowy, hard-to-find area and you realize that finding that $15 Mac mouse is like finding diversity in a Abercrombie & Fitch catalog.

Now this mindset, I've never understood. Notice that in Exhibit A, the PC user expresses a concern that they don't like the default mouse that comes with a Mac. This is perfectly understandable, as they are ugly, one-buttoned and prone to breaking down.
However, in Exhibit B, the User confesses to a desire to construct an entire computer from scratch. That this User, who is somehow incapable of unplugging the original Mac Mouse and then plugging a $15 USB mouse from a 3rd party, is able to locate all the individual innards for a PC and put them together is proof of something both bizarre and wonderful about the Universe.
1. What teh_Pantsless_Hero said.
2. I said that a) I'd be likely to get extensive help from a friend in building a computer, I have a couple of friends who know a lot about computers who have offered to build me a computer in the past (but I don't need one as mine is fine) b) Macs are also fucking expensive, building a computer is fucking cheap.
3. That doesn't address the fact that monitors tend to crap out before the computer itself so if the monitor on a Mac fucks up, there goes the whole computer, while if the monitor on a PC fucks up, you can get a new monitor without buying a new computer.

I can't stand the lack of right clicking ability. Nor do I trust the fact that for a desktop, the monitor and the computer are built into one unit. I've had so many monitors crap out on me with PCs that still ran perfectly.
well said. particularly the right clicking. using one of those mice makes me feel like a finger has been cut off.

And then we take into account that PC hardware does not work with Mac hardware and that PCs are the major home computer style and therefore the only retailers who carry Mac hardware are Apple specific outlets and hard to find and even online stores segregate Mac away into some shadowy, hard-to-find area and you realize that finding that $15 Mac mouse is like finding diversity in a Abercrombie & Fitch catalog.
And then we take into account that any USB mouse will work with Mac OS X, and OS X is the major home computer Mac Operating system and therefore any shitty-ass retailer (from Bestbuy to Wal-Mart) will carry several cheap mice that will work perfectly fine with a USB-capable Mac. That this fact isn't common knowledge, even though most mice will mention OS X compatibility on the box, is further proof of my initial theory: There is such a thing as magic in the Universe.

And then we take into account that PC hardware does not work with Mac hardware and that PCs are the major home computer style and therefore the only retailers who carry Mac hardware are Apple specific outlets and hard to find and even online stores segregate Mac away into some shadowy, hard-to-find area and you realize that finding that $15 Mac mouse is like finding diversity in a Abercrombie & Fitch catalog.

Dude, I don't know what bad experience you had with a Mac at some point in your life, but you're high if you think a standard USB mouse won't work on a Mac. I've had better luck using supposedly PC stuff with my Mac than I ever did with my PC computers. My laptop is smart. My PC usually required finding drivers and downloading software and all sorts of anguish.

By the way, Macs are PCs now, champs.

Having an Intel core doesn't make it a PC.

Intel Macs can also run Windows - best of both worlds! Run OSX for work, switch to Windows for games, all on one shiny and well-integrated machine

What games? Quake 2? WoW if you're lucky?

1. What teh_Pantsless_Hero said.
2. I said that a) I'd be likely to get extensive help from a friend in building a computer, I have a couple of friends who know a lot about computers who have offered to build me a computer in the past (but I don't need one as mine is fine) b) Macs are also fucking expensive, building a computer is fucking cheap.
3. That doesn't address the fact that monitors tend to crap out before the computer itself so if the monitor on a Mac fucks up, there goes the whole computer, while if the monitor on a PC fucks up, you can get a new monitor without buying a new computer.
1. He was wrong
2. I said that a) when using OS X, most mice are hot swappable, requiring no special drivers or even for the computer to be shut-off, b) True, but I bought my laptop off a company that was converting from Mac to Windows, so retail costs aren't everything
3. This is the reason why I would never buy an iMac, but I've only ever used Notebooks anyway (let's see you haul that desktop and about a month's worth of laundry from hotel room to hotel room), so it really doesn't bother me.

Having an Intel core doesn't make it a PC.
No, having the ability to run Windows on it does, I believe, which you can do on the new Mac if you wish. Why you'd want to is another question entirely.

1. He was wrong
2. I said that a) when using OS X, most mice are hot swappable, requiring no special drivers or even for the computer to be shut-off, b) True, but I bought my laptop off a company that was converting from Mac to Windows, so retail costs aren't everything
3. This is the reason why I would never buy an iMac, but I've only ever used Notebooks anyway (let's see you haul that desktop and about a month's worth of laundry from hotel room to hotel room), so it really doesn't bother me.
1. Fine.
2. a) I was talking about building a PC during this point, I don't know why you're still on about mice. b) I'm not likely to encounter a company that's converting from Macs to PCs and get a huge discount, am I?
3. I don't have a laptop or really need one... If I got one, I'd probably get a PC 'cuase it would be cheaper and I've never had a problem with my PC, it's crashed on me maybe twice in five years. I'd also have it set so I could run linux on it probably.

1. Fine.
2. a) I was talking about building a PC during this point, I don't know why you're still on about mice. b) I'm not likely to encounter a company that's converting from Macs to PCs and get a huge discount, am I?
3. I don't have a laptop or really need one... If I got one, I'd probably get a PC 'cuase it would be cheaper and I've never had a problem with my PC, it's crashed on me maybe twice in five years. I'd also have it set so I could run linux on it probably.
Good for you. I don't have an issue with people using PCs, but seeing people whine about the one-button mouse really annoys me.

Having an Intel core doesn't make it a PC.

It is a watershed for Macs though. What part of a Mac can you point to now and say "it's better for some things than a PC" ? The front side bus is determined by the processor, there isn't anything in there you would expect to work better than DDR2 and PCI-express. There's nothing but a nice case and a different OS now.

You can argue OS X is a better OS than Windows (I'd agree, btw) but making the consumer buy a non-standard machine to run it is just dumb and won't work for much longer.

I like the ads, actually. They're funny, which a picture of Albert Einstein and the unpunctuated mis-statement "think different" ... wasn't.

Well, technically, Macs are PCs.
PC=Personal Computer.
Is a Mac a computer? Yes.
Is it owned by one person? Yes.
Thus, a Mac is a PC.
Of course, I'm just fiddling with semantics here.

What games? Quake 2? WoW if you're lucky?

Windows games...

Windows games...

so solitare and minesweeper? :D

Well, technically, Macs are PCs.
PC=Personal Computer.
Is a Mac a computer? Yes.
Is it owned by one person? Yes.
Thus, a Mac is a PC.
Of course, I'm just fiddling with semantics here.

Fiddle all you like, it's not like Rome is burning here.

Windows games...

What games does the Mac have the power to PLAY?

Um...I actually liked the adverts. My bad?


Yeah, after a good night sleep, the rage has pretty much disappeared. I guess I was tired.

The thing is, I don't hate Macs and I know most Mac users aren't pretentious gits. But when the company itself is trying its hardest to appear as snotty and elitist as possible, it makes it that much harder for me to appreciate Macs.

What games does the Mac have the power to PLAY?

Whatever will run on Windows with a 2GHz+ Intel chip - it's not emulating Windows, it's running it native
Hence "switch to Windows for games"
This isn't a hard concept, Potato Factory: a new Mac is a computer with an Intel chip, which can run Windows native - therefore it can run Windows games (and all other applications as well)

My PC usually required finding drivers and downloading software and all sorts of anguish.
Then you need to buy something newer than Windows 2000.

Whatever will run on Windows with a 2GHz+ Intel chip - it's not emulating Windows, it's running it native
Hence "switch to Windows for games"
This isn't a hard concept, Potato Factory: a new Mac is a computer with an Intel chip, which can run Windows native - therefore it can run Windows games (and all other applications as well)

You know what also isn't a hard concept? Graphics cards. Something Mac will never be able to match PC in.

Mine was both OS's at once. Actually there was a third operating system which was designed for internet use (though I don't think it was referred to as the internet at the time), which I never used because I was young and didn't know how.

CP/M. It was only available if you booted with the disk inside. It wasn't designed for internet use since there was no internet back then, but it was a "business" OS, the predecessor to MS-DOS. And that's what made the decision to include it very baffling, since it was an already deceased OS even by the time the C128 was released. It also made the C-128 more expensive to manufacture because it had to include a Zilog Z-80 CPU additional to the MOS-6502.

The C64 and C128 didn't really include an OS. They were pretty much just a kernel with a BASIC interpreter running on top, not much space for a full-fledged OS back then. The DOS (Disk Operating System) was actually inside the disk drive unit, which was a computer of its own. It even had a 6502 CPU all to itself.

Back on topic. I would like the ads much more if there was a hippy dude smoking some pot just going "yeah, whatever" in the background.

Then you need to buy something newer than Windows 2000.
I was running XP second edition. You know what assumptions make you look like, right? Again--you guys call us elitist? Get a damn mirror.

Actually, most of the people I know who use Macs are using them because they're very good for doing graphics and design work, not because they lack computer skills.

My dad is a graphic design artist and he swears by Macs. He is very computer savy and he likes the Macs for work mostly because they almost never crash or have file comptability issues. They also network very well.

However, we use PCs at home. Lets face it, they are chaeper, faster and you can do alot more with them.

What games does the Mac have the power to PLAY?

Here's the thing--for a lot of us, a computer isn't a game machine. It's a tool, something we use for our jobs.

I'm not surprised that you have such a limited view on this, though. You're the one who started that stupid thread about how the Wii was going to destroy gaming as we knew it.

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Back on topic. I would like the ads much more if there was a hippy dude smoking some pot just going "yeah, whatever" in the background.

;) A guy in a penguin suit who takes both sides of the argument perhaps?

;) A guy in a penguin suit who takes both sides of the argument perhaps?

Yeah, something like that.

;) A guy in a penguin suit who takes both sides of the argument perhaps?

Are you making a reference to Linux? Jokes are never funny when you have to explain them.

Are you making a reference to Linux? Jokes are never funny when you have to explain them.

Story of my life ... yes, it's about Linux. Linux and OS X are from the same stable, Linux is free Unix for PCs. Hence it could be seen as "taking both sides"

I thought the penguin suit was a giveaway, but the joke could certainly have been funnier. It isn't really an 'argument' and 'penguin suit' can mean a very formal suit. Oh well :cool:

Story of my life ... yes, it's about Linux. Linux and OS X are from the same stable, Linux is free Unix for PCs. Hence it could be seen as "taking both sides"

I thought the penguin suit was a giveaway, but the joke could certainly have been funnier. It isn't really an 'argument' and 'penguin suit' can mean a very formal suit. Oh well :cool:

now that I think about it, that would be pretty funny to see on tv.

so we're agreed then - macs are clearly superior in every respect that counts

And you guys say Mac users are elitists. :rolleyes:

I'd like to see people write MATLAB programs on a Mac. While it does run on Mac, programming is just so much better on a PC. Anyone who has ever had to write code will agree that PCs are the superior machine if you need to do anything beyond drawing pretty pictures.

so we're agreed then - macs are clearly superior in every respect that counts

If by "in every respect that counts," you mean "only in art creation with Adobe programs," yeah sure.

sure

excellent. thread over, everybody go home

so we're agreed then - macs are clearly superior in every respect that counts

Except the gaming industry; one of the biggest.

Except the gaming industry; one of the biggest.
And by the looks of it, the only one that matters to you.

And by the looks of it, the only one that matters to you.

Pretty much. I'm getting into games programming.

And by the looks of it, the only one that matters to you.

You gotta remember that this is the same cat who thought that the success of the Wii has killed gaming all together. So, you know...

Macs are pretty good but (http://tv.truenuff.com/mac/)...

including the gaming industry; one of the biggest.

glad you agree

glad you agree

Are you stupid, or just deluded?

Are you stupid, or just deluded?

Another irregular brown lump of wisdom from The Potato Factory. *holds nose*

Another irregular brown lump of wisdom from The Potato Factory. *holds nose*

Well the be fair to PF, Free Soviets IS intentionally being a tool.

Another irregular brown lump of wisdom from The Potato Factory. *holds nose*

Why do I get the feeling that if I was fighting Hitler, you'd side with him?

...and BOOM comes Godwin's Law

I use both Mac and PC for work so 1. I do get annoyed by the 1-button mousepad but 2. Typing on a Mac is a pleasure, the G4's keyboard is simply lovely. It's the difference between i-Pod and Zune, not that i-Pod doesn't annoy me either, why did they drop the Mini, anyway, I'm rambling...

Macs are pretty good but (http://tv.truenuff.com/mac/)...Oh god, I found the performance one hilarious.

Why do I get the feeling that if I was fighting Hitler, you'd side with him?

It just looked like you swung at the wrong guy, you know?

I read your posts and agree with a fair proportion of them. Surely one will really hit a chord and I'll say something nice. But you're right, I am kind of mean where you're concerned. Perhaps we're too much alike or something.

Now you'll be really offended. Argh!

PC wins over Mac because PC has DC++. If you live in a dorm where you have really fast connections, you can download a 2 hour movie in a matter of minutes. Did I mention it's illegal as hell?:D

PC wins over Mac because PC has DC++. If you live in a dorm where you have really fast connections, you can download a 2 hour movie in a matter of minutes. Did I mention it's illegal as hell?:D
Does not work like that if your campus IT is any good lol

Does not work like that if your campus IT is any good lol

Luckily for me and Purdue's 38,000 students, ITAP fucking blows.

so we're agreed then - macs are clearly superior in every respect that counts

Not really. In price, upgradability, and size of software library, the PC just creams the Mac.

Macs are very underpowered when compared to a PC in the same price range even though OS X compensates by being more streamlined than Windows there's no denying that you can get a lot more computing power going the PC way, and brute force has its benefits. And if you're using Linux on PC the speed gap is even wider.

Upgradability is another big one. You don't really upgrade a Mac, you just replace it. With a PC you can guarantee a much longer life through simple upgrades: a bit of memory here, perhaps a CPU there, and additional hard drive, new video card, add a TV tuner, etc.

Lastly, software library. Just the sheer number of software available for PC practically guarantees that there will be a commercial, free, open, or shareware solution for whatever need you have. Even though things have improved a lot on Mac, apps still are more numerous, varied, and tend to be more mature, on the PC.

And, yeah, like it or not after working with budgets, touching up photos, updating the website on Dreamweaver, and composing the new brochure, the high-end PC user can still play a mean game of Medieval II with settings on high and without having to reboot the machine.

Sure, use a Mac if that's what you need, they're stable, safe, easy to use and work nicely; but the PC has some very real advantages that shouldn't be overlooked either.

At least they aren't as stupid as the Wii PS3 internet ad. That one .. was really annoying. The PC Mac ads are cute and humorous .. plus I like both of the guys in the commercials over here.

At least they aren't as stupid as the Wii PS3 internet ad. That one .. was really annoying. The PC Mac ads are cute and humorous .. plus I like both of the guys in the commercials over here.


Is it wrong that I like that ad :( ;) ?

Besides, I thought that was a parody and not an attempt at serious advertising.

Then you need to buy something newer than Windows 2000.

Windows 2000 works perfectly fine for me. That includes new games. Having trouble finding drivers? The XP ones seem to work.

Then you need to buy something newer than Windows 2000.

one of my mac-using friends, who now "hates microsoft", was using windows 98 before he went over to macs. and he switched only last year or so, maybe the year before... which means he was using an, at least, 7 year old OS. which was no longer supported. no fucking surprise he was having troubles with windows :headbang:

plus his PC was mega-old. i'm not sure if comparing an outdated PC running an unsupported, pretty shitty OS (compared to WinXP, which rocks and never crashes with me) with a brand new mac is really fair... or even remotely sensible.

I think I remembering hearing from an old columnist for the Guardian (Suzanne Moore) that they all work on Macs over at the Guardian HQ. Sweet irony.
Charlie Brooker's freelance, so he wouldn't be at Guardian HQ.

I also imagine that, if he did have to work at the Grauniad's offices, he'd insist on taking in a laptop. Or lugging his desktop to work every day. :p

But macs never get viruses.. Because no one uses a fucking mac!

Seriously, can you play any games on a mac? I think Solitaire is too advanced for it to handle. Macs are overpriced and under performing pieces of shit. Last time I used one I was about 10 years old and it was more like a toy than anything useful. Ooh I can type out a letter on here.

PC is my main source of news and entertainment. Mac could handle news, but what the hell can you play?

Okay.

I was fine reading all this crap until this post.

Ever hear of Halo? You know who developed that before Microsquash bought them? Bungie. What was Bungie famous for before Halo? A little game called Marathon. Bungie was a Mac-based company who, along with 2D-as-3D pioneer title Pathways Into Darkness basically made hte first-person shooter possible and popular. If you like Halo, you have Macs to thank.

True, Macs get really popular game titles months after PCs do, and sometimes never. But I'll trade that for productivity with sound, picture and video editing any day of the week.

And file structures? Forget about it! I click the hard drive icon and find the relevant folder. No "trees" or "outline-form" displays.

Software installation. Period. You look at the instructions for the same software on both platforms and the instructions are three pages long for the PC and one paragraph for the Mac (Insert disk, double click on the disk icon, click "install" -- DONE.)

Scroll wheel mice are available for Macs, but why? Smart scrolling needs no wheel. And oooooh, golly, it's so damned hard to press the command key instead of right clicking. :rolleyes:

Look, I got no problem with PCs. I use them at work, and they're fine. But when I want to use Sibelius, Garage Band, Pro Tools, iTunes, iDVD, or anything involving creativity, I'd rather use a Mac. I don't need a damned compsci degree to figure stuff out. So no, I'm not hugely computer literate, and guess what? I don't NEED to be. I'm a professor of music. OSX is easier to navigate and use than any Microsquash OS. That's why Vista looks sooooo familiar to Mac users. If Mac is so inferior, why do PCs keep stealing ideas?

I don't want to further the argument. It's patently silly. I just noticed that the whole thread was leaning PC with no refutation. I agree that the ads are annoying. Peace be unto y'all.

Then Mac iTunes must not be a total piece of "the end user is a dumbass retard" shit.

Dude, Macs SUCK!!! They are so annoying. I love PCs. I could honestly give a crap less if Macs get less viruses (and yes they DO get viruses, contrary to popular ads) PCs are SO much better than Macs. Seiriously, what the @#$% can you do with a mac, beyond graphics and bills?
Abolutly nothing (and they totaly suck for gaming, have you ever heard of a hardcore mac gamer? No? Maybe it's because they don't @$%&ing exist!). I really hate their dumb commercials too. The dissing of PCs (which tend to have way better software, and more power) gets a little excessive. Mac inc.s last futile attempt to save their crumbleing company is failing miserably (how many people do you know that own a Mac?). I say that they just GIVE UP. :upyours: UP YOURS MAC!

Ah, yes, the intelligent side of the debate comes out. I will assume PC users aren't all like you on basic principle.

BTW, you're being quoted by a Mac gamer. I'm not "hardcore" -- not because I own a Mac, but because I own a life. Enjoy your parents' basement, pal.

Look, I got no problem with PCs. I use them at work, and they're fine. But when I want to use Sibelius, Garage Band, Pro Tools, iTunes, iDVD,

*tried to snip ranting and general unpleasantness*

Sibelius worked pretty well for me on a PC. *shrug*

You know what also isn't a hard concept? Graphics cards. Something Mac will never be able to match PC in.

I don't know about that.

My G5 iMac's Radeon card handles Civ4, UT2k4 online, Halo online, WoW, and everything else I like to play. No stuttering, fast frame rates...what's your point?

I don't want to further the argument. It's patently silly.
The problem being that you are furthering the argument simply by referring to Microsoft as "Microsquash". You don't need to. You've got a good, well-thought through, eloquent response to people who have criticised the Mac, then you go and spoil it all with that sort of snarky comment.

The problem being that you are furthering the argument simply by referring to Microsoft as "Microsquash". You don't need to. You've got a good, well-thought through, eloquent response to people who have criticised the Mac, then you go and spoil it all with that sort of snarky comment.

Come on, that's a reference to Microsoft's habit of buying the living hell out of anything remotely resembling competition, not the PC v Mac issue. Shit, it's even a classic reference at that -- Berke Breathed used it in his short-lived Bloom County follow-up called Outland.

I suppose you're right though. It's just that I'm so used to referring to the Redmond bunch by that sobriquet, that I seldom use the actual name "Microsoft" anymore.

My G5 iMac's Radeon card handles Civ4, UT2k4 online, Halo online, WoW, and everything else I like to play. No stuttering, fast frame rates...what's your point?

I have a GeForce 8800 GTX. That's my point.