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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL

The division led by Dear Donnie Rumsfeld has managed to mismanage and lose more money than we ever could have imagined. My question is, are these people (the administration) that stupid or are they criminally negligent and evil? Poll to follow.

i think it's both

Oh. I figured Halliburton's stock went down.

The Bush Administration is...? Just plain stupid, criminally negligent, incompetent or evil? Biased much?

TEH 3VIL BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS CRIMINALY NEGLIEGNT INCOMP3TENT AND JUST PLANE STUPID!!111shift+1

Why do people think that government property should balance like a checkbook, especially in a war zone.

Hell, that was our best excuse for anything that was missing, including airplanes, during Desert Storm. Missing E-tool? Combat loss. Missing M-16? Combat loss. Missing A-6? Combat loss. See how easy it is?

Wow... I think all of the above for this one... that's ridiculous.

i think it's a cover for them spending heaps of time and money on a top secret military project.

Government money is meant to disappear, so that it can end up with the private concerns that need to co-operate with the state. It helps lubricate the system.

Besides, its much better for the economy for that money to trickle down into odds and sods than it is for it to spent of military equipment that either gets blown up or locked away forever...

Hmm, I have to get in on this combat loss scam.

i think it's a cover for them spending heaps of time and money on a top secret military project.

Those damn billion dollar hammers!

The Bush Administration is...? Just plain stupid, criminally negligent, incompetent or evil? Biased much?

TEH 3VIL BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS CRIMINALY NEGLIEGNT INCOMP3TENT AND JUST PLANE STUPID!!111shift+1

Listen Jack, I'll call a spade a spade when I see a motherFing spade. So spade, tell me all about how losing a trillion dollars, missles, tanks, etc. is a wonderful thing for America and I'll change the poll options. They haven't done anything well. I see you ran from the "bush budget" thread as too many facts were getting in the way of your petty opinion based on your, bias perhaps. I know, it's hard to be a Bush backer these days. Back in the hey days after 9/11 when everyone and their brother was wrapping themselves in the flag it was easy. Bush went from the 30's and 40's in approval up to the 90's because we as Americans want to get behind our leaders. Eventually we figure out when the wolf is in sheep's clothing though. I you wanted another option you could have chose "have you seen my baseball" which would denote your obvious disagreement with the other choices.

What would you call a government that loses $1 trillion (1/8 of the total debt we've racked up in the history of this nation) worth of $ and equiptment? I know, you and New Ausha would call then fiscal conservatives :headbang: You're not playing with a "pinko commie" here. I'm a Republican (not a Bush Republican) and there's decorations hung on my uniform so I'll cut you off at the pass with your pety attempt to insult me. I'm ready spade, tell me how great they are for losing all the dough on top of their policy blunders. Hell, someone told Bush what the difference was between Sunni and Shia in 2005, you think he should have known earlier? That wouldn't make him just plain stupid would it?

$1,000,000,000,000.00

Just look at that. So many zeros...

Why do people think that government property should balance like a checkbook, especially in a war zone.

Hell, that was our best excuse for anything that was missing, including airplanes, during Desert Storm. Missing E-tool? Combat loss. Missing M-16? Combat loss. Missing A-6? Combat loss. See how easy it is?

$1 trillion dollars. Let me repeat that "1 trillion dollars." You going to write that off one grunt stick at a time? Come on now I know you have more sense than that. :fluffle:

Listen Jack, I'll call a spade a spade when I see a motherFing spade. So spade, tell me all about how losing a trillion dollars, missles, tanks, etc. is a wonderful thing for America and I'll change the poll options. They haven't done anything well. I see you ran from the "bush budget" thread as too many facts were getting in the way of your petty opinion based on your, bias perhaps. I know, it's hard to be a Bush backer these days. Back in the hey days after 9/11 when everyone and their brother was wrapping themselves in the flag it was easy. Bush went from the 30's and 40's in approval up to the 90's because we as Americans want to get behind our leaders. Eventually we figure out when the wolf is in sheep's clothing though. I you wanted another option you could have chose "have you seen my baseball" which would denote your obvious disagreement with the other choices.

What would you call a government that loses $1 trillion (1/8 of the total debt we've racked up in the history of this nation) worth of $ and equiptment? I know, you and New Ausha would call then fiscal conservatives :headbang: You're not playing with a "pinko commie" here. I'm a Republican (not a Bush Republican) and there's decorations hung on my uniform so I'll cut you off at the pass with your pety attempt to insult me. I'm ready spade, tell me how great they are for losing all the dough on top of their policy blunders. Hell, someone told Bush what the difference was between Sunni and Shia in 2005, you think he should have known earlier? That wouldn't make him just plain stupid would it?


As a pinko commie I never thought I'd find myself wanting to congratulate a self-confessed republican but, my friend, as angry rants go: This Is Awesome.

:D :D :D

How in the hell do you loose a plane?? It aint exactly a set of car keys!Did someone forget to jot down the transponder code or something??

$1 trillion dollars. Let me repeat that "1 trillion dollars." You going to write that off one grunt stick at a time? Come on now I know you have more sense than that. :fluffle:
But here's what the core of the problem is. The article states that the "Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units." That's probably close to the trillion dollars. It means that some bean counter couldn't tell where these things were on an inventory sheet, not that the Army squandered a trillion dollars on booze and hookers.

Just the other day I saw six B2 bombers flying out of Nellis Air Force Base

just thought I'd share that.

But here's what the core of the problem is. The article states that the "Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units." That's probably close to the trillion dollars. It means that some bean counter couldn't tell where these things were on an inventory sheet, not that the Army squandered a trillion dollars on booze and hookers.

But still, that's a ton of stuff to "misplace." How do you lose 56 planes? Don't they generally fly back to where they took off and if they have to land somewhere else, report that fact? Jesus fucking Christ, someone really fucked up here.

Just the other day I saw six B2 bombers flying out of Nellis Air Force Base

just thought I'd share that.
That must be quite a sight. I've only seen one in the air. The size and sound just didn't match.

That must be quite a sight. I've only seen one in the air. The size and sound just didn't match.

It was pretty awesome.

But here's what the core of the problem is. The article states that the "Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units." That's probably close to the trillion dollars. It means that some bean counter couldn't tell where these things were on an inventory sheet, not that the Army squandered a trillion dollars on booze and hookers.

the problem is not the military itself, it's the leadership. Your average military man is an honorable fellow with honest intentions. We're talking about the pentagon here with their waste and largesse.

1 trillion that's.... 2 years worth of discresionary budget to the Pentagon...

Why do we pay these people so much for this?

the problem is not the military itself, it's the leadership. Your average military man is an honorable fellow with honest intentions. We're talking about the pentagon here with their waste and largesse.
I read the article again. All I see is that the accounting procedures suck. That's probably true. Again, that doesn't mean anyone wasted any money on anything. Sure, that happens, too, but not in the way you think.

I'm telling you this trillion dollars was spent on fighting off aliens, the us military know's exactly were the money went

But here's what the core of the problem is. The article states that the "Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units." That's probably close to the trillion dollars. It means that some bean counter couldn't tell where these things were on an inventory sheet, not that the Army squandered a trillion dollars on booze and hookers.

The only sane mind in this thread is Myrmidonisia so far. First off look who it is that broke the story. That raises one eyebrow for me. Second this is probably more of a bean counter issue as stated by Myrmidonisia. I am going to reserve judgement until i see all the facts on this one. Also the military doesnt just loose tanks and planes. They are somewhere in the military inventory. Most likely not recorded correctly in transfers. Also would be interested in what are the "types" of equipment supposedly missing.

The only sane mind in this thread is Myrmidonisia so far. First off look who it is that broke the story. That raises one eyebrow for me. Second this is probably more of a bean counter issue as stated by Myrmidonisia. I am going to reserve judgement until i see all the facts on this one. Also the military doesnt just loose tanks and planes. They are somewhere in the military inventory. Most likely not recorded correctly in transfers. Also would be interested in what are the "types" of equipment supposedly missing.

Yeah, look who broke the story for God's sake. It wasn't Fox News or CNN so there's no way in hell it could be true. Damn those smaller market papers for even daring to report news. I say we put phone taps on...oh wait that's not legal anymore? Well let's call them evildoers and that should make it all good. $1 trillion is nothing to scoff at and surely isn't a matter of "counting beans." Couple the 1 trillion with the billions the pentagon and state have missing for "reconstruction" that went out to "no bid" (see partisan companies) and you're seeing an incredible amount of waste and mismanagement. When it happens once or twice I say " eh maybe it's an error." When it keeps happening over and over again I say "have you seen my baseball?" Make all the excuses you want, but it keeps happening over and over again. How many times are going to hear panting, moaning, and the window open in your bedroom before you become suspicious someone is fucking your wife?

How many times are going to hear panting, moaning, and the window open in your bedroom before you become suspicious someone is fucking your wife?

Maybe she's just a vigorous masturbater who gets off on fresh air?


Sorry, I'll go now, you're doing great (that isn't sarcastic) so I had nothing to really add...

But still, that's a ton of stuff to "misplace." How do you lose 56 planes? Don't they generally fly back to where they took off and if they have to land somewhere else, report that fact? Jesus fucking Christ, someone really fucked up here.Oh noes, the Americans are secretly supplying the terrorists with military hardware! That's why the americans are having so much trouble with the insurgents.

But here's what the core of the problem is. The article states that the "Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units." That's probably close to the trillion dollars. It means that some bean counter couldn't tell where these things were on an inventory sheet, not that the Army squandered a trillion dollars on booze and hookers.
You should read the article again:
A study by the Defense Department's inspector general found that the Pentagon couldn't properly account for more than a trillion dollars in monies spent.
A GAO report found Defense inventory systems so lax that the U.S. Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units.
You seem to have missed the sentence before the bit you quoted. The bit that said the Pentagon can't account for $1,000,000,000 spent. The next bit says the US army has lost track of all those bits and bobs, but that doesn't necessarily follow that this is where the missing monies has gone.

1. They can't account for $1 trillion spent.
2. Their inventory system is so bad, they don't know where a shitload of planes, tanks and missile launch units are.

The two aren't equal.
If #2 costs $1 trill, then the Pentagon CAN account for that money. They just don't know where the stuff they've bought is. In which case it would be accounted for.
It's like if I tallied my bank balance and saw I spent $20 but have no idea what on. That's different to knowing I bought a couple of CDs but can't find them.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL

The division led by Dear Donnie Rumsfeld has managed to mismanage and lose more money than we ever could have imagined. My question is, are these people (the administration) that stupid or are they criminally negligent and evil? Poll to follow.
You know an article comes from San Francisco when it begins with a line like this:
The Department of Defense, already infamous for spending $640 for a toilet seat,
:D

In any case, this isn't too surprising. I'd say they are criminally negligent, but hey, they've commited enough crimes as it is. Do we really need another one to throw on them on top of it all?

The Department of Defense, already infamous for spending $640 for a toilet seat,

They like high quality shit. I know I do. *nod*

look I'm telling you guys it being spent on the anti-alien program that began ever since GW saw the Star Wars Movie, (see he only watched the new ones so he does'nt know the good guys win) :p

$1 trillion is nothing to scoff at and surely isn't a matter of "counting beans."

While 1 trillion dollars is obviously a huge amount of money, it's not as preposterous as it seems. Don't forget that the US military has a huge amount of very large beans. A small mistake for me costs me 20 bucks, a small mistake for the U.S. government costs millions.

With that said, we are still obviously not talking about small mistakes here, but huge steamy mounds of them. However I don't see how this can be tied directly to Bush, the pentagon's wasteful spending record does go back more than 8 years you know. Of course the military activity in Iraq makes many more oppurtunities to lose and misplace things, but that still makes Bush indirectly responsible at best, but this thread (and the polling options) make it seem like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were dancing half naked around bonfires of 100 dollar bills, rubbing war paint and lube on each other.

Yeah, look who broke the story for God's sake. It wasn't Fox News or CNN so there's no way in hell it could be true. Damn those smaller market papers for even daring to report news. I say we put phone taps on...oh wait that's not legal anymore? Well let's call them evildoers and that should make it all good. $1 trillion is nothing to scoff at and surely isn't a matter of "counting beans." Couple the 1 trillion with the billions the pentagon and state have missing for "reconstruction" that went out to "no bid" (see partisan companies) and you're seeing an incredible amount of waste and mismanagement. When it happens once or twice I say " eh maybe it's an error." When it keeps happening over and over again I say "have you seen my baseball?" Make all the excuses you want, but it keeps happening over and over again. How many times are going to hear panting, moaning, and the window open in your bedroom before you become suspicious someone is fucking your wife?

The Chronicle is a fine paper. Hell, it isn't even that liberal, despite being from San Francisco. I mean really, it endorsed Shwarzeneggar for governor.

Anyway, the fact that it was a "bean-counter" mistake or whatever doesn't excuse the fact that someone, maybe multiple someones, probably so, in fact, made a mistake on a pretty grand scale.

One trillion dollars. That's a collossal amount of money. A lot could have been done with one trillion dollars, had it not been apparently wasted.

$1,000,000,000,000.00

Just look at that. So many zeros...
That would be:

$3,333.00

For EVERY man, woman, and child living in the US!!

EDIT: of course universal healthcare would be too costly /end threadjack

While 1 trillion dollars is obviously a huge amount of money, it's not as preposterous as it seems. Don't forget that the US military has a huge amount of very large beans. A small mistake for me costs me 20 bucks, a small mistake for the U.S. government costs millions.

With that said, we are still obviously not talking about small mistakes here, but huge steamy mounds of them. However I don't see how this can be tied directly to Bush, the pentagon's wasteful spending record does go back more than 8 years you know. Of course the military activity in Iraq makes many more oppurtunities to lose and misplace things, but that still makes Bush indirectly responsible at best, but this thread (and the polling options) make it seem like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were dancing half naked around bonfires of 100 dollar bills, rubbing war paint and lube on each other.

When you are the leader, what goes on under you is your responsibility.

That would be:

$3,333.00

For EVERY man, woman, and child living in the US!!

EDIT: of course universal healthcare would be too costly /end threadjack

So what you're saying is that it is really just a simple mistake and we can all go back to our mundane lives. Whew, I'm glad that's over. Universal healthcare is far too expensive, but wars are cheap right? (In response to your threat hijack) The bottom line is that people F'd up massively. The Pentagon, under the directions of Rumsfeld, has been Fing up royally for quite a long while now. Look into all the GAO reports about waste, fraud, mismanagement, and flat out charging for work that was never done. The Bush administration has been proven to value loyalty over comptency and it has been shown on so many levels. Why the hell would it stop now? You may want to call me a Bush basher but shit, if you deserve it then hammer away Hoss. I hammered Clinton on the limited war in Kosovo, his hummer, and his lack of combat time. But his BS pales in comparrison to this Bushit. REad "Price of Loyalty" or any other book that chronicles the life of Bush insiders. This administration and family are rotten from the insight out as the parasites of greed, lust, and evy are so wretched coming from their barely breathing corpses. And that's just Babs. Seriously, the time had come to end the PC shit and call a spade a spade.

So what you're saying is that it is really just a simple mistake and we can all go back to our mundane lives. Whew, I'm glad that's over. Universal healthcare is far too expensive, but wars are cheap right? (In response to your threat hijack) The bottom line is that people F'd up massively. The Pentagon, under the directions of Rumsfeld, has been Fing up royally for quite a long while now. Look into all the GAO reports about waste, fraud, mismanagement, and flat out charging for work that was never done. The Bush administration has been proven to value loyalty over comptency and it has been shown on so many levels. Why the hell would it stop now? You may want to call me a Bush basher but shit, if you deserve it then hammer away Hoss. I hammered Clinton on the limited war in Kosovo, his hummer, and his lack of combat time. But his BS pales in comparrison to this Bushit. REad "Price of Loyalty" or any other book that chronicles the life of Bush insiders. This administration and family are rotten from the insight out as the parasites of greed, lust, and evy are so wretched coming from their barely breathing corpses. And that's just Babs. Seriously, the time had come to end the PC shit and call a spade a spade.
Your reward sir:

http://www.t-shirtcountdown.com/ratemytee/tees/img3f9810bb17144.jpg

They like high quality shit. I know I do. *nod*

Or maybe they're making a new type of toilet. Props goes to Redeye, the originator of this idea. The UberCrap Armageddon.


BIDET -- Bum Irrigation/DEordorizer Treatment -- this will be part of the Command Throne, for the purpose of operator comfort. There's no time for wiping in a heavy combat situation.

FECES -- Field Expedient Catalytic Energy System -- advanced sewage treatment technology enables the UberCrap to run on operator waste, enabling long-endurance field operations.

FART -- Fast Attack Rocket Thruster. Standard mechs have jump jets, this one has FARTs.

POOP Cannon -- Putrid Organic Ordnance Projectile. When biomass isn't needed for power, it can be used in a more, shall we say, offensive role.

SHITE Cannon -- Super High Intensity Thermo-Electric. An electrical charge converts chemical propellant to plasma upon firing. This technology actually exists, though it doesn't go by such a cool acronym

CRAP -- Ceramic Reactive Armour Protection. When the enemy's got his SHITE together, you'd best be packing CRAP.

ASSWIPE -- All Spectrum Sensors With Infrared Photon Emitter. Thanks to ASSWIPE, UberCrap owns the night.

And, space permitting, BASTARD -- Big-Ass Shiny Thing and Random Doodads


TURD -- Tracked Urban Recon Drone. When discretion is the better part of valour, deploy a TURD to gather intelligence. TURD comes equipped with a little FART for surmounting obstacles and a miniature ASSWIPE for gathering data. It communicates with the mother vehicle by means of STOOL -- Secure Telemetry Optical/Orbital Link. As the name implies, STOOL consists of a line-of-sight laser com system with auxiliary satellite uplink.

FLOATR -- Fast-Loading Odious Ammunition Tribarrel Repeater. Similar to the POOP cannon, FLOATR trades range and stopping power for a higher rate of fire.

DUMPs -- Depleted Uranium Multipurpose Projectiles. These are fired by the SHITE cannon; whilst POOP and FLOATR are sort of biological weapons, SHITE is a more traditional kinetic energy weapon. The special feature of DUMP is that it contains a bursting charge. If the charge isn't armed it functions like a normal anti-tank round; however the charge can detonate at a predetermined range to break the DUMP into a cloud of high-velocity shrapnel, perfect for use against personnel, light vehicles and outhouses.

Why do people think that government property should balance like a checkbook, especially in a war zone.

Hell, that was our best excuse for anything that was missing, including airplanes, during Desert Storm. Missing E-tool? Combat loss. Missing M-16? Combat loss. Missing A-6? Combat loss. See how easy it is?

If it was a combat loss would it not be accounted for ... it may not exist anymore but it would be an accounted for asset

That would be:

$3,333.00

For EVERY man, woman, and child living in the US!!

EDIT: of course universal healthcare would be too costly /end threadjack
My thought exactly!!! :rolleyes:

3,333.00 Wow. That's enough to give a 'hammer' to everyone in the country.

That would be:

$3,333.00

For EVERY man, woman, and child living in the US!!

EDIT: of course universal healthcare would be too costly /end threadjack

Or it could be used to fund a Compulsory Voting Scheme in the U.S!

Please note the date of the article though: Sunday, May 18, 2003.

Also, at the maximum cost of equipment you would come far short of the 1 G$

56 B2 bombers (I am seriously doubtful that many exist): $112 billion (U.S).

32 Bradley M3A3 (not sure if this is the most expensive one in bulk): $96 million (U.S).

36 Javelin Launch Vehicles: about $5 million (U.S) (about 8.5 million with missile).

3,333.00 Wow. That's enough to give a 'hammer' to everyone in the country.

The problem is not necessarily the amount we are taxed but how are tax money is spent. In America we've had a situation where the majority had been 51% or even less. The President took that slight edge and acted like he won the election 90-10 and everyone was gung ho for his "plan." Not everything Bush has done has been horrible. While I dislike him immensely even I can recognize that. The vast majority of his ideas have been short sighted because he seems to think that by the time his policies see their long term failures he'll be long gone and it will get blames on someone else. That's the way 30 second sound byte America works after all. But he forget that there are some of us who study these things. He forgets that we look at the long term good or bad of a given proposal. He forgets that we refuse to be manipulate by his emotional wedge driven issues like abortion, God, guns, and gays. He forgets that while the Limbaugh set will buy the "Democrats want to make you have an abortion, raise your taxes, take away your guns, your Jesus, and force you to marry another man" the well educated public isn't buying this tripe. He's an embarrassment to this fine country and the people who were fooled into voting for him once are off the hook. But twice? And Democrats, can you nominate someone better than fricken Kerry soon? Like I've said, being a Republican I wanted badly to vote for your guy. Don't put powdered sugar on shit and tell me it's a donut boys and girls. God willing the Republican party will work itself out of the grips of the "twisted reality" crowd. Until then I'll give my vote to Wes Clark or Rudy G as I like what he did in NY City. Neither one of them will probably get elected, but they should.

The problem is not necessarily the amount we are taxed but how are tax money is spent. In America we've had a situation where the majority had been 51% or even less. The President took that slight edge and acted like he won the election 90-10 and everyone was gung ho for his "plan." Not everything Bush has done has been horrible. While I dislike him immensely even I can recognize that. The vast majority of his ideas have been short sighted because he seems to think that by the time his policies see their long term failures he'll be long gone and it will get blames on someone else. That's the way 30 second sound byte America works after all. But he forget that there are some of us who study these things. He forgets that we look at the long term good or bad of a given proposal. He forgets that we refuse to be manipulate by his emotional wedge driven issues like abortion, God, guns, and gays. He forgets that while the Limbaugh set will buy the "Democrats want to make you have an abortion, raise your taxes, take away your guns, your Jesus, and force you to marry another man" the well educated public isn't buying this tripe. He's an embarrassment to this fine country and the people who were fooled into voting for him once are off the hook. But twice? And Democrats, can you nominate someone better than fricken Kerry soon? Like I've said, being a Republican I wanted badly to vote for your guy. Don't put powdered sugar on shit and tell me it's a donut boys and girls. God willing the Republican party will work itself out of the grips of the "twisted reality" crowd. Until then I'll give my vote to Wes Clark or Rudy G as I like what he did in NY City. Neither one of them will probably get elected, but they should.

As an aside, I was stuck between a rock and a hard place last election. Do I vote for the man whom I loathe with every bone in my body, or the man who is a dipshit to the max(Anybody but Bush? What the hell kind of slogan is that... that took a lot of thinkin'). I'm more of a Democrat than a Republican, but really I have no problem with Republicans(Actually Republicans... you know, not Neo-Cons), and I can agree that many of the ideas are sensible. However, I do believe I may hate the next election even more. Boy, do I hope McCain runs. I would have no problem voting for him, and he would likely be one of my first choices. Here's hoping an actual Republican or Democrat gets the office.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL

The division led by Dear Donnie Rumsfeld has managed to mismanage and lose more money than we ever could have imagined. My question is, are these people (the administration) that stupid or are they criminally negligent and evil? Poll to follow.

Do you just have an issesent(sp?) need to attack the Bush administration? Do you even stop to read the link you connected?

First off here it talks about Donald Rumsfeld, he has not been SecDef for awhile now so why does it refer to him doing these changes and testififying? Second off The byline is dated May 18, 2003! You are way off base and out of date in your rant.

Military waste under fire
$1 trillion missing -- Bush plan targets Pentagon accounting
Tom Abate, Chronicle Staff Writer

Sunday, May 18, 2003



Second if you want to blame the Bush admin ....cool. But do not forget to lay half of this blame on the Clinton Admin as well since they talk about 7 years of audit failures and waste......and that moves over into the Clinton years, for about 4 of them.


In light of your rant and your way out of date material trying to make it seem like it is something new and not Old News, I am pleased to award you the first of these prestigeous new awards:

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Do you just have an issesent(sp?) need to attack the Bush administration? Do you even stop to read the link you connected?

First off here it talks about Donald Rumsfeld, he has not been SecDef for awhile now so why does it refer to him doing these changes and testififying? Second off The byline is dated May 18, 2003! You are way off base and out of date in your rant.

Second if you want to blame the Bush admin ....cool. But do not forget to lay half of this blame on the Clinton Admin as well since they talk about 7 years of audit failures and waste......and that moves over into the Clinton years, for about 4 of them.


In light of your rant and your way out of date material trying to make it seem like it is something new and not Old News, I am pleased to award you the first of these prestigeous new awards:

http://www.imperialblack.us/misc/deedeedee_award.jpg

I'm so happy you've joined my little party.

#1, The article is from 2003 and I've never disputed this fact. Was Donald Rumsfed the Sec Def then?

#2 You failed to read most or many of my subsequent responses. I have made it very clear that I attacked Clinton on a variety of issues. Go back and read before you go off half cocked

#3 Must you constantly play cheerleader for the Bush administration. It seems to be all I read of you.

#4 WARNING, WARNING! This is not the only case of drastic misuse of funds. Have you been hiding and avoiding information for the past 6 years? There are numerous instances of money being mishandled. I'll give you a few 1. Fema 2. KAtrina no bid contracts 3. Iraq no bid oil contracts 4. Iraq military food and beverage contracts by KBR 5. Iraq reconstruction contracts that were once again NO BID and for KBR's parent company Halelua Halliburtion. So there's 5 big time abuses right there on Bush's watch.

#5 I do not love Bill Clinton, he is to blame for a lot of things. The accounting problems were from 7 years, but this loss was specific to the Iraq war. Was Bill Clinton in office for that one? Bill Clinton had a lot of problems and I'm not his keynote fan, but you want to compare him to Bush and I'll lap you on that any day.

#6 REally, it must be hard looking for all of the "good things" that are coming out of the Bush administration. Been following the Libby trial at all lately. It's not even Christmas but "Jingle Bells, something smells, Cheney and Bush dropped a name. Oh what fun it is to out a NOC agent of the CIA HEY!"

:eek:

I'm so happy you've joined my little party.

#1, The article is from 2003 and I've never disputed this fact. Was Donald Rumsfed the Sec Def then?

#2 You failed to read most or many of my subsequent responses. I have made it very clear that I attacked Clinton on a variety of issues. Go back and read before you go off half cocked

#3 Must you constantly play cheerleader for the Bush administration. It seems to be all I read of you.

#4 WARNING, WARNING! This is not the only case of drastic misuse of funds. Have you been hiding and avoiding information for the past 6 years? There are numerous instances of money being mishandled. I'll give you a few 1. Fema 2. KAtrina no bid contracts 3. Iraq no bid oil contracts 4. Iraq military food and beverage contracts by KBR 5. Iraq reconstruction contracts that were once again NO BID and for KBR's parent company Halelua Halliburtion. So there's 5 big time abuses right there on Bush's watch.

#5 I do not love Bill Clinton, he is to blame for a lot of things. The accounting problems were from 7 years, but this loss was specific to the Iraq war. Was Bill Clinton in office for that one? Bill Clinton had a lot of problems and I'm not his keynote fan, but you want to compare him to Bush and I'll lap you on that any day.

#6 REally, it must be hard looking for all of the "good things" that are coming out of the Bush administration. Been following the Libby trial at all lately. It's not even Christmas but "Jingle Bells, something smells, Cheney and Bush dropped a name. Oh what fun it is to out a NOC agent of the CIA HEY!"

:eek:

As a matter of fact you can take my defending as defending the bush admin, but I think Bush has as many screw ups as the previous one. I post many times which seem like I am defending bush because 95% of the people on here attack the Bush admin for any reason they can find.

And as for the KBR messhalls I know all about them because I have eaten in them. And you will not find a political administration that does not waste. I am sick also of all the whiney naive people who think the Dems are so perfect and do not realize they are as corrupt as the republicans and are just going to funnel the money into their own pet projects kind of like the republicans. They just use better smokescreens then the republicans by playing the"we care about the little guy" card.

I will lay odds that at somepoint after most of that "missing" equipment was "found" somewhere, but we would not expect any news agency to ever write an article about that because it would maybe not make people so angry against whatever current administration happens to be in power.

Equipment like tanks and planes and many other things can come up missing from time to time because of a mis stroke of a pen, or a computer key , or many other things. Especially when your dealing with the huge amounts of equipment as DOD. But people never really take that into account "they should be perfect".

When people become perfect and never make mistakes then we shall see everything being right until then records have mistakes in them and things get lost from time to time. But if we ever expect a news agency to print follow up articles about the errors being found we will die waiting becuase it is not sensational enough to sell papers. Much better to just bash and flame the organizations.

And as for Katrina there has been a lot of screw ups with FEMA over it, but it is a shame their own Mayor was not man enough to admit and take credit for his own shortfalls with that disaster. Much easier to blame it on FEMA and Bush.

Clinton did some good things...he did a lot of stupid things as well even things that led up to 9/11 but , hey better to blame that lock stock and barrel on Bush too....much more convinient. Bush may be an idiot but no more so then most of the other politicians out there. He just happens to be the top one right now.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL

The division led by Dear Donnie Rumsfeld has managed to mismanage and lose more money than we ever could have imagined. My question is, are these people (the administration) that stupid or are they criminally negligent and evil? Poll to follow.Neither.

That money wasn't lost. And that hardware probably never existed.

That money was spent on something they don't want to tell you about, so occasionally they cover that huge hole in the books by announcing that some was "lost", both infrequently enough that voters forget about it in between, and in sufficiently large quantities that people don't really understand the numbers.

Neither.

That money wasn't lost. And that hardware probably never existed.

That money was spent on something they don't want to tell you about, so occasionally they cover that huge hole in the books by announcing that some was "lost", both infrequently enough that voters forget about it in between, and in sufficiently large quantities that people don't really understand the numbers.

ahh, uber conspiracy, I love it. :fluffle:

Maybe it was all sent to the Iraqis to better allow them to take over their own country and to destroy all insurgents. :p

As a matter of fact you can take my defending as defending the bush admin, but I think Bush has as many screw ups as the previous one. I post many times which seem like I am defending bush because 95% of the people on here attack the Bush admin for any reason they can find.

And as for the KBR messhalls I know all about them because I have eaten in them. And you will not find a political administration that does not waste. I am sick also of all the whiney naive people who think the Dems are so perfect and do not realize they are as corrupt as the republicans and are just going to funnel the money into their own pet projects kind of like the republicans. They just use better smokescreens then the republicans by playing the"we care about the little guy" card.

I will lay odds that at somepoint after most of that "missing" equipment was "found" somewhere, but we would not expect any news agency to ever write an article about that because it would maybe not make people so angry against whatever current administration happens to be in power.

Equipment like tanks and planes and many other things can come up missing from time to time because of a mis stroke of a pen, or a computer key , or many other things. Especially when your dealing with the huge amounts of equipment as DOD. But people never really take that into account "they should be perfect".

When people become perfect and never make mistakes then we shall see everything being right until then records have mistakes in them and things get lost from time to time. But if we ever expect a news agency to print follow up articles about the errors being found we will die waiting becuase it is not sensational enough to sell papers. Much better to just bash and flame the organizations.

And as for Katrina there has been a lot of screw ups with FEMA over it, but it is a shame their own Mayor was not man enough to admit and take credit for his own shortfalls with that disaster. Much easier to blame it on FEMA and Bush.

Clinton did some good things...he did a lot of stupid things as well even things that led up to 9/11 but , hey better to blame that lock stock and barrel on Bush too....much more convinient. Bush may be an idiot but no more so then most of the other politicians out there. He just happens to be the top one right now.


#1 Katrina was more to do with fema and Bush as that is their job in the time of a national emergency. What about the letter Gov. Blanco sent to Bush days before the storm. It's not like it went from a tropical storm to a cat 5 in three days.

#2 I'm not talking about waste here, I'm talking about intentional fraud in the form of No-Bid contracts where money dissapears.

#3, nice straw man with the blaming bush completely for 9/11, I don't remember mentioning 9/11 or either man's role in that. REcall that I lost two friends in those towers and more on the field of battle. I've eaten in a KBR hall as well, but despise the company and the immoral end it tries to meet.

#4 I'm not %95 of the people and why is it yourjob to be the personal defender of the "decider?"

#5 I was right about Rummy bering Sec Def in 2003 and that burns you up that I caqlled you out there.

#6. I'm not talking about missing a few things for not dotting I's and crossing T's. It's one trillion mother Fing dollars. 1/8 the total deficit that Bush has done all he can to help inflate. Stop minimizing the issue. 1 Trillion is a lot of MRE's kiddo

1 trillion that's.... 2 years worth of discresionary budget to the Pentagon...

Why do we pay these people so much for this?

Seh-kur-i-tee.

Neither.

That money wasn't lost. And that hardware probably never existed.

That money was spent on something they don't want to tell you about, so occasionally they cover that huge hole in the books by announcing that some was "lost", both infrequently enough that voters forget about it in between, and in sufficiently large quantities that people don't really understand the numbers.
It was that FDA/military SNAFU regarding the food status of ketchup. HUGE paper-pileup.

I'm telling you this trillion dollars was spent on fighting off aliens, the us military know's exactly were the money went

It went to pay off The Red Arrow / MKUltra to keep him quiet for just a little longer ... until "all the stars are aligned".

Whoop, said too much.
Sh*t, time to scoop up and hit the road again.

They've lost $1 trillion? I suggest looking down the back of the sofa.

They've lost $1 trillion? I suggest looking down the back of the sofa.

This is precisely the point that some are missing. It's not like we're talking about 583 million dollars. That would be horrible too, but $1 trillion? WTF do you have to "misplace" to lost $1 trillion?