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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=120092

No surprise here sadly

Isn't Yemen one of those countries where apostasy and sodomy are punishable by death? Yes, sounds like a lovely place. :rolleyes:

*gets lawnchair for upcoming fireworks*

Popcorn, anyone?

Yes, please. *takes handful*

Oh, and it's "Yemeni" not "Yemenite." ;)

No surprise here sadly
What, that the Israeli government couldn't be bothered? ;)

Seriously though, they oughta be able to go to the Yemeni government and complain, and if they won't listen, they need to approach the UN or someone. I mean, the smarter option would probably be to just leave and live somewhere else, but on principle at least they shouldn't cave in to these SA types.

Yemen? Interesting place. I have always wished to visit Marib once. And Shibam. Very cool.

Isn't Yemen one of those countries where apostasy and sodomy are punishable by death? Yes, sounds like a lovely place. :rolleyes:

They just like to be precise. They don't want any yemen getting into the anus.

Yemen? Interesting place. I have always wished to visit Marib once. And Shibam. Very cool.

You would like it there. They hate the Jews as much as an ignorant fool such as yourself would.

You would like it there. They hate the Jews as much as an ignorant fool such as yourself would.I don't hate Jews. Such an emotion would be too much regard for them.
At least Yemen has some real history, not just faked history like Jews do.

Another culture wiped out by hatred and ignorance...it's a shame that so many cultures, especially the Jews and other minority religions, have been destroyed due to the intolerance of their fellow citizens.

I hope they at least make it out safely; Yemen will get its comeuppance when it becomes even more isolated and backward than it is already showing itself to be.

I don't hate Jews. Such an emotion would be too much regard for them.
At least Yemen has some real history, not just faked history like Jews do.
I don't usually get into these Jewish debates, but you might want to visit an Israeli archaeological site someday.

*gets lawnchair for upcoming fireworks*

Popcorn, anyone?
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Hehehehehe!!!

I don't hate Jews. Such an emotion would be too much regard for them.

At least Yemen has some real history, not just faked history like Jews do.

You've got to be kidding me. The Jews have produced a rich written and oral tradition that interweaves the arts, religion, theology, philosophy, and genealogy in to a series of works that span thousands of years and a number of cultures and authors. Works like the Torah have an amazing history behind them that reflects the rich culture of the Jews throughout their history.

And they do have a "real" history, just like any other culture. I don't dismiss the Romans or Egyptians because their histories were mixed with religious and mythological commentary.

There's only about 50 Jewish families there. I think we should airlift them to the U.S. They could live in Chicago. I hear there's some ill-used property called Cellular Field that would accommodate them. We could rip down that useless structure and put up refugee housing.

Nice work on getting information about Jews being killed from a website biased towards Jews.

I don't usually get into these Jewish debates, but you might want to visit an Israeli archaeological site someday.Such as? Well, I'd like to visit Shechem one day and see the remains of the Baal Berit temple, and I'd like to visit king Shaul's home town Gibea. But I won't.

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Hehehehehe!!!

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You've got to be kidding me. The Jews have produced a rich written and oral tradition that interweaves the arts, religion, theology, philosophy, and genealogy in to a series of works that span thousands of years and a number of cultures and authors. Works like the Torah have an amazing history behind them that reflects the rich culture of the Jews throughout their history.

And they do have a "real" history, just like any other culture. I don't dismiss the Romans or Egyptians because their histories were mixed with religious and mythological commentary.All that Jews have produced is a fake alternative history. And please don't confuse Jews with Israelites or even Hebrews.

...and they're off!

All that Jews have produced is a fake alternative history. And please don't confuse Jews with Israelites or even Hebrews.

It's no different than the religious texts of the ancient Romans, Greeks, Chinese, or any other culture in the history of mankind. All of them have their own creation stories and religious beliefs, and all of them interwove them in to their historical accounts.

Nice work on getting information about Jews being killed from a website biased towards Jews.
It's basically Fox for Israelis. But that's hardly enough of a reason to doubt what's going on in Yemen.

The only thing the article forgets to mention is that the Sheikh in question is not actually the government, and the government has in the past tried to protect Jews there. Nor has it really spoken about the way Israel has treated the Yemenite community in the past (what with their intolerance of different forms of Judaism and all) - though that's only indirectly connected to the issue, so it wasn't necessary in this article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_National_News
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/news/globalnews/gn_archives/2007/01/gn_070123_yemenite.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/yemenjews.html
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/01/22/10098626.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TJ2kOftUYg

It's no different than the religious texts of the ancient Romans, Greeks, Chinese, or any other culture in the history of mankind. All of them have their own creation stories and religious beliefs, and all of them interwove them in to their historical accounts.However Romans, Greeks, Chinese never claimed to have worshiped a particular deity in a certain way when they in fact did not.

I don't hate Jews. Such an emotion would be too much regard for them.
At least Yemen has some real history, not just faked history like Jews do.

Wow, what a tolerant fellow you are.

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Dude, where do you find all these smileys? :p

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What, that the Israeli government couldn't be bothered? ;)

Seriously though, they oughta be able to go to the Yemeni government and complain, and if they won't listen, they need to approach the UN or someone. I mean, the smarter option would probably be to just leave and live somewhere else, but on principle at least they shouldn't cave in to these SA types.

Hah - I'd so love to be a fly on the wall when anyone from Israel goes cap-in-hand to the UN for help. Never gonna happen.

The Jews of Yemen should blame Israel for what's happened to them.

that story has absolutly no substance to it whatsoever.

one woman made a phonecall!?!

IDF + Random anti-zionist poster * Israel thread = fireworks(flames)2 / mod = FORUMBANNED! ;)

One woman made some claims during a phonecall set up by an Israeli radio station. Hardly reliable evidence.:rolleyes:

One woman made some claims during a phonecall set up by an Israeli radio station. Hardly reliable evidence.:rolleyes:

Oh! But everyone knows that Zionists are COMPLETELY reliable! Why should we doubt them! They're OBVIOUSLY telling the truth!

:rolleyes:

And you're taking a Pro-Israeli thread by IDF seriously?

And you're taking a Pro-Israeli thread by IDF seriously?

Well, IDF is obviously a troll. But you have to burn the trolls. Not feed them.

that story has absolutly no substance to it whatsoever.

one woman made a phonecall!?!
One woman made some claims during a phonecall set up by an Israeli radio station. Hardly reliable evidence.:rolleyes:
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/01/22/10098626.html
Local officials confirmed that the Yemeni Jews are still staying at the hotel in Sadaa until yesterday but they promised they would solve the problem and return them to their home and secure and protect them, like other Yemeni citizens, from any dangers.

"Yes, they received threats from Al Houthi supporters. They are now here in the hotel but I can assure you that the problem will be solved today, and they will return to their villages," Salem Al Wehayshi, Sadaa deputy governor told Gulf News.

Good enough?

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/01/22/10098626.html


Good enough?

For the threats yes, the killings the first article alleged, no.

israelnationalnews
And how exactly do you expect us to take this 'information news' source seriously? It might as well be some European newspaper saying 'Stop the crucifixion of Jews in Europe!' on the front page.

As I have said many times, every Israeli citizens is a legitimate target for collaborating with the racist and oppressive Zionist regime, and for imperialistically supporting the 'Greater Israel' via West Bank settlements, and for the establishment of Jerusalem/WB ghettos like Abu Dis where thousands of Palestinians live in near inhumane conditions. And are subject to beatings by Zionist troops and settlers.

Well, IDF is obviously a troll. But you have to burn the trolls. Not feed them.
Be careful. Some people might take your callous words to mean you too are a troll, and I wouldn't blame them. You have blood on your hands; you are not Pontius Pilate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate#Responsibility_for_Jesus.27_death). You cannot just wash your hands of any wrong doing because you're as guilty of any of us. You cannot simply declare that IDF is a troll because of his ideas. There is not taking someone seriously because they are a broken-record poster and then because they have actually trolled. I say it's the prior because IDF frequently and knowingly posts Pro-Israeli material; aka, he's a broken record.

EXTREMISTS, not the government.


Cool the flames people.

For the threats yes, the killings the first article alleged, no.
The article didn't allege anything. It said very clearly that one woman made the allegation by phone, and it could not be confirmed. I don't think you can ask anything more.

That being said, if we know there are violent gangs walking around threatening Jews, it is not inconceivable that they may already have hurt someone, is it?

I don't really think there is anything wrong with the article.

EXTREMISTS, not the government.


Cool the flames people.

I don't see any flames... yet.

IMO the Zionists would do just about anything to look the victims in any situation.

The article didn't allege anything. It said very clearly that one woman made the allegation by phone, and it could not be confirmed. I don't think you can ask anything more.

That being said, if we know there are violent gangs walking around threatening Jews, it is not inconceivable that they may already have hurt someone, is it?

I don't really think there is anything wrong with the article.

The article was not wrong, but most of the info appeared to have come from this single woman. And the headline that they were "banished" was misleading at the least.

IMO the Zionists would do just about anything to look the victims in any situation.

IMO you're a troll.

Be careful. Some people might take your callous words to mean you too are a troll, and I wouldn't blame them. You have blood on your hands; you are not Pontius Pilate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate#Responsibility_for_Jesus.27_death). You cannot just wash your hands of any wrong doing because you're as guilty of any of us. You cannot simply declare that IDF is a troll because of his ideas. There is not taking someone seriously because they are a broken-record poster and then because they have actually trolled. I say it's the prior because IDF frequently and knowingly posts Pro-Israeli material; aka, he's a broken record.

Unless you've been lurking the entire time you've had an account, you don't know IDF. He thinks the Jews are the best thing to ever happen to the planet, and he has openly admitted before that he believes Jews should control the world. If he's not a troll I dunno what is.

The article was not wrong, but most of the info appeared to have come from this single woman. And the headline that they were "banished" was misleading at the least.
Well, yeah, I think my article was the better one. But then, what do you expect from a FoxNews-type network?

IMO you're a troll.

He is. The Zionists are not the problem here. It's the barbarians moslems.

He is. The Zionists are not the problem here. It's the barbarians moslems.

...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=120092

No surprise here sadly

sad, really:rolleyes: Is there a point to this thread or do you just want people to feel bad for the jews?

Dude, where do you find all these smileys? :p
Literally everywhere.

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MTAE meet IDF, IDF meet MTAE.

I don't see any flames... yet.

Oh. I didn't read the entire thread, and just figured there would be flames.

MTAE meet IDF, IDF meet MTAE.

The "..." meant I disagreed with him. He's obviously as big a troll as you.

The "..." meant I disagreed with him. He's obviously as big a troll as you.

Who's IDF?

Who's IDF?

The thread starter.

The "..." meant I disagreed with him. He's obviously as big a troll as you.

I was referring to puppet lands, not you.

I think this underscores the need for clarity when posting.

I was referring to puppet lands, not you.

Ah, sorry. My mistake. :(

*gives you a cookie and a beer as an apology*

I was referring to puppet lands, not you.

Shall we commence with the random guessing of who's puppet he is?

Oh. I didn't read the entire thread, and just figured there would be flames.
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Shall we commence with the random guessing of who's puppet he is?

Sure, why not? It's as good a way as any to kill some time. You go first.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Flamey.gif Flamey has his day off today.

lol

Sure, why not? It's as good a way as any to kill some time. You go first.

Umm...MTAE?

sad, really:rolleyes: Is there a point to this thread or do you just want people to feel bad for the jews?

What a moron! She posted a story that has relevence to what is going on in the world - much like everybody here does on a daily basis - but because it's dealing with Filthy Jews she has a hidden evil agenda huh?

Umm...MTAE?

No.

No.

Someone else's turn.

Unless you've been lurking the entire time you've had an account, you don't know IDF. He thinks the Jews are the best thing to ever happen to the planet, and he has openly admitted before that he believes Jews should control the world. If he's not a troll I dunno what is.

I've been here quite while. This is actually a puppet of mine; my smallest puppet I might add. I normally login as Kryozerkia, and that account has been active since Sept 2003, and I've see IDF around. He's not a troll as much as other people are. He's just is very boring and posts the same shit over and over.

He is. The Zionists are not the problem here. It's the barbarians moslems.
You are a fine example of a troll. Now begone with your ignorance.

What a moron! She posted a story that has relevence to what is going on in the world - much like everybody here does on a daily basis - but because it's dealing with Filthy Jews she has a hidden evil agenda huh?

I think it demonstrates that Israel's interests lie with a more narrow definition of who is or is not of interest to them.

Someone else's turn.

Ummm... lesse now, ahhh - MKULTRA??

Ummm... lesse now, ahhh - MKULTRA??

Christ, I don't even know who that IS!

Christ, I don't even know who that IS!

DCD?

DCD?

Nope.

I'd say DCD but he learned his lesson.

Na, it's definitely MTAE.

Na, it's definitely MTAE.

Nah, MTAE didn't have enough of a sense of humor to name his puppet "The puppet lands"

Yemen should just join Saudi Arabia. :)

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=120092

No surprise here sadly

I'll give this as much response as much of the world did to the ethnic cleansing of Darfur.

Meh. People die. Get over it. Just cause they're Jews doesn't make it any more important.

Maybe if they had oil fields or a influential lobby in Washington, but otherwise, they're as significant as everybody else. In global terms? Not very.

EDIT: And from further checking, it seems that the whole kaboodle was raised by a person calling in a radio station. An unconfirmed report at best. Which deserves as much credibility as UFO reports.

There's only about 50 Jewish families there. I think we should airlift them to the U.S. They could live in Chicago. I hear there's some ill-used property called Cellular Field that would accommodate them. We could rip down that useless structure and put up refugee housing.

I can deal with anti-semites, but you Sir just crossed a line.:p

I'm sorry you're bitter because your team hasn't won a World Series since 1908.

BTW, someone should search the address I placed under my "location." The fact it's at the corner of 35th and Shields should be enough to guess what it is.

Well, IDF is obviously a troll. But you have to burn the trolls. Not feed them.

Please do tell me how I'm a troll. If you can't, then STFU.

And how exactly do you expect us to take this 'information news' source seriously? It might as well be some European newspaper saying 'Stop the crucifixion of Jews in Europe!' on the front page.

As I have said many times, every Israeli citizens is a legitimate target for collaborating with the racist and oppressive Zionist regime, and for imperialistically supporting the 'Greater Israel' via West Bank settlements, and for the establishment of Jerusalem/WB ghettos like Abu Dis where thousands of Palestinians live in near inhumane conditions. And are subject to beatings by Zionist troops and settlers.
Quoted to demonstrate the sheer lunacy of Israel's critics.

IMO you're a troll.

He isn't a troll. He truly believes what he is posting. IMO, that makes him a racist for he is posting his beliefs with the intent of spreading his misguided point of view.

BTW, someone should search the address I placed under my "location." The fact it's at the corner of 35th and Shields should be enough to guess what it is.

A Salvation Army shelter? A halfway house? A burrito stand? A pet supply & grooming store? What?

Unless you've been lurking the entire time you've had an account, you don't know IDF. He thinks the Jews are the best thing to ever happen to the planet, and he has openly admitted before that he believes Jews should control the world. If he's not a troll I dunno what is.

Bullshit. If you're going to slander me at least show proof. Otherwise go shut the fuck up.

Please do tell me how I'm a troll. If you can't, then STFU.

This excerpt from: "How to Troll the IDF Way", coming soon in paperback.

This excerpt from: "How to Troll the IDF Way", coming soon in paperback.

Being rude when people slander me =/= trolling. It isn't polite, but no where on the TOS does it say we have to be polite. We just can't flame, troll, or flame-bait.

Being rude when people slander me =/= trolling. It isn't polite, but no where on the TOS does it say we have to be polite. We just can't flame, troll, or flame-bait.

Wow, the Grand IDF Ben Gurion Troll-man has arrived!

Wow, the Grand IDF Ben Gurion Troll-man has arrived!

Keep on talking Adolf



As I have said many times, every Israeli citizens is a legitimate target for collaborating with the racist and oppressive Zionist regime,Your own words speak for yourself AP. And you say I'm a troll?!?!?

Hmpf?

So why didn't Israel give those people safe haven?

Hah - I'd so love to be a fly on the wall when anyone from Israel goes cap-in-hand to the UN for help. Never gonna happen.

The Jews of Yemen should blame Israel for what's happened to them.

Of COURSE Israel will never go to the UN for help! That would be like if they went to Adolf Hitler for help, or like a chicken asking Colonel Sanders for help.

The UN is an enemy of Israel; they have no intentions whatsoever of helping Israel, unless it is "helping" them get run into the Mediterranean Sea and drowned!

Lol...I wasn't dissapointed.

I found a JPost article on the topic
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1167467787833&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Hmpf?

So why didn't Israel give those people safe haven?

They gave most of the Yemenite Jews a safe haven through Operation Magic Carpet. Not all of the Jews wanted to leave and some were simply forgotten. The nation of Israel had but 600,000 people and was absorbing almost 1,000,000 immigrants who were fleeing for their lives after being bannished from Muslim nations.

Israel simply didn't have the resources or infrastructure in 1949 to make sure they did the job right and got everyone out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Magic_Carpet_%28Yemen%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands

Lol...I wasn't dissapointed.

Sorry to inform you, but we are going to kick MSU's ass on Wednesday and I will be there.

Be glad you guys won't be competing for the Final Four. We wouldn't want to see the campus police have to put down another riot.

Sorry to inform you, but we are going to kick MSU's ass on Wednesday and I will be there.

Be glad you guys won't be competing for the Final Four. We wouldn't want to see the campus police have to put down another riot.

Next year is our year. With all the returning talent, and a killer recruiting class, I expect no worse than 2nd in the Big 10.

Next year is our year. With all the returning talent, and a killer recruiting class, I expect no worse than 2nd in the Big 10.

We have a recruit class next year that is going to be one of the top 5 in the NCAA. We won't do much still next year since we lose both Carl Landry and David Teague. In 2 years, we will be competitive again. We have a shot at the NCAA Tourney this year though.

Of COURSE Israel will never go to the UN for help! That would be like if they went to Adolf Hitler for help, or like a chicken asking Colonel Sanders for help.

The UN is an enemy of Israel; they have no intentions whatsoever of helping Israel, unless it is "helping" them get run into the Mediterranean Sea and drowned!

that and founding the state in the first place.

ignorant moron.

What's with all the anti-Israel sentiment? Not that I'm pro- or anti- Israel, but still...

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What's with all the anti-Israel sentiment? Not that I'm pro- or anti- Israel, but still...

:confused:
It's nothing but old fashioned anti-semitism hidden under the guise of "anti-zionism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism

It's nothing but old fashioned anti-semitism hidden under the guise of "anti-zionism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism

Yes, some of the posts seemed more anti-Semitic than anti-Zionist.

For the record, what's so bad about Israel? Sure, it has its faults, I won't deny that, but it's still a democratic state and respects human rights, far more than its neighbors do, in fact.

It's nothing but old fashioned anti-semitism hidden under the guise of "anti-zionism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism

would you ever fuck off and grow up.

explain why so many jews are anti-zionist then?

from the article YOU posted

Criticism of Israel is not necessarily antisemitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism#Criticism_of_Israel_is_not_necessarily_antisemitism)

IDF and his like stifle any debate on Israels behaviour by calling anyone who questions the settlements, IDF tactics etc as a Nazi. Its a profound insult to the memory of those Jews murdered in WW2 and quite frankly boring.

would you ever fuck off and grow up.

explain why so many jews are anti-zionist then?

from the article YOU posted

Criticism of Israel is not necessarily antisemitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism#Criticism_of_Israel_is_not_necessarily_antisemitism)

IDF and his like stifle any debate on Israels behaviour by calling anyone who questions the settlements, IDF tactics etc as a Nazi. Its a profound insult to the memory of those Jews murdered in WW2 and quite frankly boring.

Jews against Zionism are against it because they are religious extremists who believe that the Torah states Israel can only be founded by G-d alone. They see the Israeli State as a sin because it was founded by man and not G-d. That is why there are anti-zionist Jews. They are nothing but fanatics who think G-d has to do everything for them.

I'm not calling the majority of the critics on this thread anti-semitic to stifle debate. I'm doing so because of their posts. Just read the fucking thread and tell me that posters like UB, AP, and some others aren't anti-semitic. They are just racists who want the Jews to be killed and defend those who do so.

There is some legitimate criticism of Israel, but it seems like a majority of the posts in this thread are far from legitimate and are based on a hatred of the Jews.

Jews against Zionism are against it because they are religious extremists who believe that the Torah states Israel can only be founded by G-d alone. They see the Israeli State as a sin because it was founded by man and not G-d. That is why there are anti-zionist Jews. They are nothing but fanatics who think G-d has to do everything for them.

I'm not calling the majority of the critics on this thread anti-semitic to stifle debate. I'm doing so because of their posts. Just read the fucking thread and tell me that posters like UB, AP, and some others aren't anti-semitic. They are just racists who want the Jews to be killed and defend those who do so.

There is some legitimate criticism of Israel, but it seems like a majority of the posts in this thread are far from legitimate and are based on a hatred of the Jews.

you answered a general question about "anti-Israel sentiment" with a catch all, lazy, intellectually dishonest, 'anti semetic' answer. it is 100% an attempt to stifle debate and shock tactic people into agreeing with your extremist world view.

many jews also oppose israel because its based on the tenents of ethnic supremecy. a belief you openly espouse.

explain why the european left who regularly violently confront neo nazis (real ones, not the label you throw around to those with the temerity to disagree with you) are generally opposed to the zionist project?

is it because they dont cherry pick what religious extremists and ethnic supremecists they oppose?

Hmpf?

So why didn't Israel give those people safe haven?

If I made a similar comment about the Palestinians are asked "Why don't Jordan/Iran/all the other countries who claim to be so concerned for them give them a safe haven?" I'd be called a racist troll.

There is some legitimate criticism of Israel, but it seems like a majority of the posts in this thread are far from legitimate and are based on a hatred of the Jews.

I've surmised as much. I do hope I am wrong, however (as often happens).

explain why the european left who regularly violently confront neo nazis (real ones, not the label you throw around to those with the temerity to disagree with you) are generally opposed to the zionist project?

As a member of the European left I tend to support Israel. I believe that many on the left have lost their way, and are too busy excusing the oppression of women and religious minorities against so-called 'cultural imperialism' to stand up for our true values.

As a member of the European left I tend to support Israel. I believe that many on the left have lost their way, and are too busy excusing the oppression of women and religious minorities against so-called 'cultural imperialism' to stand up for our true values.

and what left wing 'true values' do the (apartheit theocratic, racist, homophobic, land grabbing, militaristic, politically corrupt) state of israel give us then?

Of COURSE Israel will never go to the UN for help! That would be like if they went to Adolf Hitler for help, or like a chicken asking Colonel Sanders for help.

The UN is an enemy of Israel; they have no intentions whatsoever of helping Israel, unless it is "helping" them get run into the Mediterranean Sea and drowned!

Quoted For (hyperbolic) Truth.

Here's an interesting fact: in 2005, the UN Human Rights Commission issued only eight official condemnations. One was against North Korea, one against Belarus, one against Cuba, and one against an obscure Asian country whose name I can neither remember nor pronounce. The remaining four were all issued against Israel.

I'm not against legitimate, proportional criticism of Israel, every state should be open to criticism, but this kind of disproportionate bigotry is nothing but anti-semitism. Are they really saying that Israel warrants four motions while the Sudanese genocide doesn't even merit one? What about Saudi Arabia? What about Syria? What about other countries in the region whose record on human rights is far worse than Israel's?

If the UN is to be taken seriously, it must put a stop to its blatant prejudices.

explain why the european left who regularly violently confront neo nazis are generally opposed to the zionist project?
is it because they dont cherry pick what religious extremists and ethnic supremecists they oppose?(Neo-)Nazis and Zionists/Jews share a similarity in the foundations of their ideologies. Both groups claim to be uber-humans and generally "better" than those who do not belong to their respective groups. They see others as lesser humans (or not as humans at all) and ultimately dispensable. I am not sure where Nazis got their ideological crap from but in Judaism the source of their ideological ethno-centric (that's pc for racist) crap is available to everyone: the Tanakh, which creates an extra god for Jews and along with that the justification to fight and even erase those who do not follow this god. It creates an ethnic identity out of the adherence to this god and projects it into the past, so that an alternative Jewish history is set up in which only Jews are worthy of living in their god's creation. The overall attitude of Jews has never changed, modern Israel is living proof for that, and of course also the fact that the Tanakh is still read in synagogues. Somehow it is a joke of history that Nazis have so violently clashed with Jews, both self-styled superior "races".

If I made a similar comment about the Palestinians are asked "Why don't Jordan/Iran/all the other countries who claim to be so concerned for them give them a safe haven?" I'd be called a racist troll.

but Jordan and Iran werent specifically formed to give muslims 'safe haven'....

some jews seem to be better than others in modern isreal, hence the russians going home en masse muttering darkly about being discriminatred against.

Quoted For (hyperbolic) Truth.

Here's an interesting fact: in 2005, the UN Human Rights Commission issued only eight official condemnations. One was against North Korea, one against Belarus, one against Cuba, and one against an obscure Asian country whose name I can neither remember nor pronounce. The remaining four were all issued against Israel.

I'm not against legitimate, proportional criticism of Israel, every state should be open to criticism, but this kind of disproportionate bigotry is nothing but anti-semitism. Are they really saying that Israel warrants four motions while the Sudanese genocide doesn't even merit one? What about Saudi Arabia? What about Syria? What about other countries in the region whose record on human rights is far worse than Israel's?

If the UN is to be taken seriously, it must put a stop to its blatant prejudices.

Before calling disproportionate bigotry you should inform us what the condemnations were about. After all, Israel has always despised and defied the UN, except when referring to the one (irresponsible) decision that allotted to them a part of Palestine.

and what left wing 'true values' do the (apartheit theocratic, racist, homophobic, land grabbing, militaristic, politically corrupt) state of israel give us then?

Equality for women?
Equal rights for all citizens, regardless of race of religion?
Equality and legal protection for homosexuals?
Democracy?
They banned a racist political party which wanted to expel Arabs from Israel, but they allow a party which wants to disolve the state of Israel to stand?
Freedom of religion?

1. Israel is not an apartheit state, if it was then it wouldn't have Arabs in parliament, in the cabinet, and in the supreme court.
2. Israel is not a theocracy, as you would know if you'd taken the time to read anything about it.
3. Arab citizens have equal rights in Israel. The right of return is necessary to prevent another holocaust.
4. Israel, Cyprus, and Turkey are the only countries in the Middle East where homosexuality is neither illegal nor persecuted by the authorities; it's the only Asian country (bar Japan) where homophobic discrimination is illegal. In fact, Israel is one of the best countries in the world for gay rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_in_Israel).
5. The settlements should be dismantled as part of the creation of a Palestinian state. The sooner Hamas pull their collective heads out of their arses and negotiate the better it will be for everyone.
6. When a country is repeatedly attacked by its genocidal neighbours one would expect them to place an emphasis on defence...
7. Find a less corrupt ME country. Hell, find me a non-corrupt country anywhere in the world.

Before calling disproportionate bigotry you should inform us what the condemnations were about. After all, Israel has always despised and defied the UN, except when referring to the one (irresponsible) decision that allotted to them a part of Palestine.

I can't find them off hand, but surely you'll agree that condemning Israel while ignoring Sudan is rank hypocrisy?

but Jordan and Iran werent specifically formed to give muslims 'safe haven'....

some jews seem to be better than others in modern isreal, hence the russians going home en masse muttering darkly about being discriminatred against.

Transjordan was founded to be a Palestinian state, that doesn't mean that all Palestinians are obligated to live there, neither does it excuse discrimination against Palestinians elsewhere.

Transjordan was founded to be a Palestinian state, that doesn't mean that all Palestinians are obligated to live there, neither does it excuse discrimination against Palestinians elsewhere.Transjordan was cut out of Mandate-Palestine to limit Jewish immigration to Cisjordan. And it was founded to be an Arab state.

Transjordan was founded to be a Palestinian state, that doesn't mean that all Palestinians are obligated to live there, neither does it excuse discrimination against Palestinians elsewhere.

The Emirate of Transjordan was created by the British in 1923, out of their Mandate of Palestine. From the brief accounts I've read, the idea was to give a throne to Abdullah, the eldest son of Sharif Hussein of Mecca, and to split Palestine proper - the part west of the Jordan and the Dead Sea - from the rest of the Mandate. This also limited the amount of territory that a Jewish National Homeland could lay claim to, though that was hardly stated by the British. Whether or not you call anyone living in the Palestinian Mandate a "Palestinian" is, to me, besides the point.

My thought on this thread, and after reading the linked article, was to wonder why Israel hasn't helped those poor people relocate. I know that Yemen is their homeland and all, but they are obviously no longer welcome and it seems to be to be the height of folly to continue living in such a place, especially when you have no chance to change the attitude of the rest of the population. Or more importantly, the government.

you answered a general question about "anti-Israel sentiment" with a catch all, lazy, intellectually dishonest, 'anti semetic' answer. it is 100% an attempt to stifle debate and shock tactic people into agreeing with your extremist world view.

many jews also oppose israel because its based on the tenents of ethnic supremecy. a belief you openly espouse.

explain why the european left who regularly violently confront neo nazis (real ones, not the label you throw around to those with the temerity to disagree with you) are generally opposed to the zionist project?

is it because they dont cherry pick what religious extremists and ethnic supremecists they oppose?

All of your posts about Israel show you are a fool who knows jack shit about the topic. Your other post claiming Israel is a theocracy and homophobic proves that point beyond all doubt.

Most of the anti-Israeli Jews have those views because they are fundamentalists. That isn't an opinion, that is a statement of fact. They come from extreme Orthodox sects that believe only G-d himself can create a nation in the land of Israel. They see those who are behind Israel as heretics.

As for those in Europe, why should you be surprised? We are talking about a continent that within recent memory killed 2/3 Jews living in it. Anti-semitism in Europe is alive and well. It has existed for 2 thousand years and isn't going to go away any time soon.

(Neo-)Nazis and Zionists/Jews share a similarity in the foundations of their ideologies. Both groups claim to be uber-humans and generally "better" than those who do not belong to their respective groups. They see others as lesser humans (or not as humans at all) and ultimately dispensable. I am not sure where Nazis got their ideological crap from but in Judaism the source of their ideological ethno-centric (that's pc for racist) crap is available to everyone: the Tanakh, which creates an extra god for Jews and along with that the justification to fight and even erase those who do not follow this god. It creates an ethnic identity out of the adherence to this god and projects it into the past, so that an alternative Jewish history is set up in which only Jews are worthy of living in their god's creation. The overall attitude of Jews has never changed, modern Israel is living proof for that, and of course also the fact that the Tanakh is still read in synagogues. Somehow it is a joke of history that Nazis have so violently clashed with Jews, both self-styled superior "races".

Yeah. They also bake Christian baby's blood into their matzoh at passover and they run a secret cabal that plans to take over the world too. You're so full of shit I'll bet you're turning brown. Fucking antisemite.

(Neo-)Nazis and Zionists/Jews share a similarity in the foundations of their ideologies. Both groups claim to be uber-humans and generally "better" than those who do not belong to their respective groups. They see others as lesser humans (or not as humans at all) and ultimately dispensable. I am not sure where Nazis got their ideological crap from but in Judaism the source of their ideological ethno-centric (that's pc for racist) crap is available to everyone: the Tanakh, which creates an extra god for Jews and along with that the justification to fight and even erase those who do not follow this god. It creates an ethnic identity out of the adherence to this god and projects it into the past, so that an alternative Jewish history is set up in which only Jews are worthy of living in their god's creation. The overall attitude of Jews has never changed, modern Israel is living proof for that, and of course also the fact that the Tanakh is still read in synagogues. Somehow it is a joke of history that Nazis have so violently clashed with Jews, both self-styled superior "races".

Shut up Adolf. You are seriously nothing but a racist. Your posts just prove you are in no position to say anything about Israel. Go put down your copy of Mein Kemf and actually learn soemthing real.

but Jordan and Iran werent specifically formed to give muslims 'safe haven'....

some jews seem to be better than others in modern isreal, hence the russians going home en masse muttering darkly about being discriminatred against.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but did they not leave "en masse" after the collapse of the Soviet Union?

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but did they not leave "en masse" after the collapse of the Soviet Union?

Israel absorbed over 1 million Russian Jews from 1989-1994. They initially had issues due to the fact that it is difficult for a nation to absorb a boost of 20% of its population in the form of immigrants who speak Russian when the local population is speaking Hebrew, Arabic, and English. The Russian Jews aren't leaving Israel. They are now getting situated since it took Israel a while to deal with the massive influx.

Shut up Adolf. You are seriously nothing but a racist. Your posts just prove you are in no position to say anything about Israel. Go put down your copy of Mein Kemf and actually learn soemthing real.
As a matter of fact the book I'm reading is the Bible (aka the Jewish lie), asswipe. And that's all it takes to not like Jews.

You're so full of shit I'll bet you're turning brown.

QFT.

As a matter of fact the book I'm reading is the Bible (aka the Jewish lie), asswipe.

No, I believe the books you are reading are the following

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
"Mein Kempf"
"The International Jew"
Any others I'm forgetting? Oh well, I'll just leave you to do your Seig Heils.

This guy has the right idea.

http://www.catalystmagazine.org.uk/Default.aspx.LocID-0hgnew0bv.RefLocID-0hg01b00100600f009.Lang-EN.htm
Because it incorporates a set of ideas (or structure of beliefs), anti-Semitism is often called an ideology. And provided we keep this ideology in mind, it is convenient to fall back on a commonly accepted working definition: ‘hostility to Jews as Jews’. This definition, however, turns out to be a recipe for confusion, for today there is a new kind of hostility to Jews as Jews, one that is based on conflict in the Middle East rather than on ancient (or medieval) European ideas about Jews. On the one hand, Israel proclaims itself the state of ‘the Jewish people’. On the other hand, many Jews outside Israel, precisely as Jews, align themselves publicly with Israel. From the combination of these facts there arises, in certain circles that are hostile to Israel or Zionism on moral and political grounds, hostility towards all Jews as Jews. This is an unwarranted generalisation; as such, it is a prejudice. But this prejudice is not rooted in the ideology of ‘the Jew’. It is, therefore, a totally different phenomenon from what hitherto has been called ‘anti-Semitism’.

It's difficult to be against Israel but not against Jews, because just about 99.76% of Jews identify themselves with Israel to some extent. And that can easily backfire in the mind of the person who is opposed to the political entity of Israel, and establish the connection that Jews as Jews support Israel and are thus opposed to him or her.

This guy has the right idea.

http://www.catalystmagazine.org.uk/Default.aspx.LocID-0hgnew0bv.RefLocID-0hg01b00100600f009.Lang-EN.htm


It's difficult to be against Israel but not against Jews.

no its not though. im opposed to all militaristic, theocratic states involved in the expulsion of the indiginious population. i couldnt give two fucks what religion the proponents are.

Israel absorbed over 1 million Russian Jews from 1989-1994. They initially had issues due to the fact that it is difficult for a nation to absorb a boost of 20% of its population in the form of immigrants who speak Russian when the local population is speaking Hebrew, Arabic, and English. The Russian Jews aren't leaving Israel. They are now getting situated since it took Israel a while to deal with the massive influx.

Right. Regardless, I knew that 1) the Russians weren't leaving in such quantities as the poster suggested and 2) it wasn't for the ambiguous reasons suggested.

no its not though. im opposed to all militaristic, theocratic states involved in the expulsion of the indiginious population. i couldnt give two fucks what religion the proponents are.
But unless you're blind, you have noticed that most Jews you meet will be supportive of Israel, and you can pretend all you want, it fosters a prejudice.

I know because I used to be like that as well. It's not like I was ever wrong when I automatically assumed that the Jewish person I met was supportive of all the things I considered wrong and evil too, so it was very difficult (more like impossible) to keep the two apart.

no its not though. im opposed to all militaristic, theocratic states involved in the expulsion of the indiginious population. i couldnt give two fucks what religion the proponents are.

Theocratic? Check your facts. Indigenous population? I'm assuming you are referring to the Palestinians. A quaint, but fallacious, assertion. The Palestinians as such are the product of the numerous refugees of the numerous wars fought against Israel whose native countries refused to take them back, thus thrusting the crux of the blame onto the Israeli state.

No, I believe the books you are reading are the following

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
"Mein Kempf"
"The International Jew"
Any others I'm forgetting? Oh well, I'll just leave you to do your Seig Heils.
I don't care what you believe. You are wrong, in this as in any other of your assumptions. You think it must be a Nazi if one doesn't approve of Judaism? But Nazis are not the opposite of Jews, instead I would rather put them into one category of fatuous groups. And just like Nazis Jews have nothing to back up their claims of superiority and of their alleged history.

I don't care what you believe. You are wrong, in this as in any other of your assumptions. You think it must be a Nazi if one doesn't approve of Judaism? But Nazis are not the opposite of Jews, instead I would rather put them into one category of fatuous groups. And just like Nazis Jews have nothing to back up their claims of superiority and of their alleged history.

So? Every group is similar to every other group in some way. Similarity does not imply a link. You would rewrite history so that the Nazis were in fact the same as the Zionists because they have one or two similarities in ideology. Nevermind that, despite your semantics, the Nazis did persecute the Jews and virtually eliminate them from Europe in the 1940s.

Next you'll be claiming how Stalin and Hitler, because they both were authoritarian leaders and sought to identify their nations with themselves, are the same, rather than ideological opposites.

I don't care what you believe. You are wrong, in this as in any other of your assumptions.

Ah, the crux of ignorance and the shield of the truly foolish. If you are so concerned with your own pretentiousness that you fail to acknowledge the beliefs of another, then there is no use debating with you.

So? Every group is similar to every other group in some way. Similarity does not imply a link.I did not imply a link, just the similarities. However, similar mindsets and ideologies should be valued and regarded in a similar way.

Ah, the crux of ignorance and the shield of the truly foolish. If you are so concerned with your own pretentiousness that you fail to acknowledge the beliefs of another, then there is no use debating with you.He was making assumptions about what I read. And he's wrong. Why should I care what he believes in this regard?
And he is also wrong that one has to be a Nazi to see how idiotic Judaism is and to oppose it.
Obviously you have not even read the posts. Then there is no use debating with you.

I don't care what you believe. You are wrong, in this as in any other of your assumptions. You think it must be a Nazi if one doesn't approve of Judaism? But Nazis are not the opposite of Jews, instead I would rather put them into one category of fatuous groups. And just like Nazis Jews have nothing to back up their claims of superiority and of their alleged history.

What claims of superiority? The claim to be the Chosen People? How is that different from any other religion's claims? How is that different from Christians saying that there is no way to salvation but through Christianity or Muslims saying that Muhammad gave the final, complete and inerrant message from god and therefore Islam is the true religion of God? Will you condem Muslims and Christians too? No. Of course you won't. Your hatred is for the Jews.

Also what alleged history? Their presence in Israel is well documented. Their being forced out by the Romans is also documented. Their persecution in Europe is a fact of history. What makes you say alleged? What, other than your own bigoted lies and willful ignorance makes you doubt?

Maybe you're not a nazi. You're just as antisemitic. You're a racist. Nobody has any use for racists like you. Hopefully someday your kind will be extinct. Until then we'll just entertain ourselves by poking fun at you and showing everything you believe to be absolutely wrong.

But unless you're blind, you have noticed that most Jews you meet will be supportive of Israel, and you can pretend all you want, it fosters a prejudice.

I know because I used to be like that as well. It's not like I was ever wrong when I automatically assumed that the Jewish person I met was supportive of all the things I considered wrong and evil too, so it was very difficult (more like impossible) to keep the two apart.

since when does disagreement = prejudice?

my opinion of a religion and its believers doesnt change because a number of them have a different opinion to me.

the majority of practicing catholics in ireland yould have a very different outlook politically to me and act accordingly. it doenst alter my opinion of the roman chirch one bit.

you clutching at straws to automatically link opposition to a synthetic nation to hatred of the jewish religion and people.

He was making assumptions about what I read. And he's wrong. Why should I care what he believes in this regard?
And he is also wrong that one has to be a Nazi to see how idiotic Judaism is and to oppose it.
Obviously you have not even read the posts. Then there is no use debating with you.

Then don't. And I have. But again, your emotions blind your judgment.

He may have been wrong to make those assumptions, though they are not altogether inconsistent with the content of your posts. Regardless, an anti semitic does not always assume the form of a Nazi.

To toss a statement out such as "I don't care what you believe," simply shows that you are unwilling to make any reasonable attempt at understanding and reconciliation. That is all.

Then don't. And I have. But again, your emotions blind your judgment.

He may have been wrong to make those assumptions, though they are not altogether inconsistent with the content of your posts. Regardless, an anti semitic does not always assume the form of a Nazi.

To toss a statement out such as "I don't care what you believe," simply shows that you are unwilling to make any reasonable attempt at understanding and reconciliation. That is all.

regardless of what bile UB comes out with, IDF was quite quick to label him a Nazi, wasnt he....

I did not imply a link, just the similarities. However, similar mindsets and ideologies should be valued and regarded in a similar way.

You seem to equate Nazism, an ideology which sole purpose was to eliminate the Jews (among others), with a nation founded on the principle of self-determination. Sure, they're similar. But you're ignoring, either willfully or otherwise, the reasons and background for each ideology, which are fundamentally opposed though they share similar precepts.

regardless of what bile UB comes out with, IDF was quite quick to label him a Nazi, wasnt he....

Only through implication. Be that as it may, yes, he did. That assumption, though perhaps incorrect, was not unwarranted.

What claims of superiority? The claim to be the Chosen People? How is that different from any other religion's claims? How is that different from Christians saying that there is no way to salvation but through Christianity or Muslims saying that Muhammad gave the final, complete and inerrant message from god and therefore Islam is the true religion of God? Will you condem Muslims and Christians too? No. Of course you won't. Your hatred is for the Jews. I consider Christians a Jewish sect. Christians believe that Yeshua is the Jewish messiah (hence christos, which has the same meaning). I also consider Islam a Judeochristian sect. And all worship the same fabricated godhead.

Also what alleged history? Their presence in Israel is well documented. Their being forced out by the Romans is also documented. Their persecution in Europe is a fact of history. What makes you say alleged? What, other than your own bigoted lies and willful ignorance makes you doubt?Show me the documents of Jews existing prior to the Persian era, leading the lives and following the religion the bible claims. You'll find nothing. And Israelites (which is not synonymous for Jews) were not monotheists, so everything the Bible and its followers claim, is false.

Maybe you're not a nazi. You're just as antisemitic. You're a racist. Nobody has any use for racists like you. Hopefully someday your kind will be extinct. Until then we'll just entertain ourselves by poking fun at you and showing everything you believe to be absolutely wrong.I'm not racist. Judaism is racist. Read your Bible.

you clutching at straws to automatically link opposition to a synthetic nation to hatred of the jewish religion and people.
No, I'm trying to understand why so many people who don't like the idea of Israel make comments that really are nothing but thinly veiled anti-semitism. That doesn't have to include you, but it includes plenty of others.

Wasn't it in this thread that Andaras Prime said that every Jew is a legitimate target because he or she supports Israel?

And then there is the question why the "anti-zionist" crowd has such a problem honestly acknowledging it when Jews get killed. The outrage is never as much as it is when a kid gets shot for throwing a stone in the refugee camps, despite the fact that the IDF doesn't go in there to kill people, but missiles are fired into settlements for precisely that purpose. And I suspect that if anyone ever thinks about why they make that differentiation in their heads, they might rationalise it by "well, they support Israel because they're Jewish, so they're not as innocent as the Palestinians".

regardless of what bile UB comes out with, IDF was quite quick to label him a Nazi, wasnt he....
Look, just ignore him. The guy is just as prejudiced against Germans as he accuses you of being against Jews.

You seem to equate Nazism, an ideology which sole purpose was to eliminate the Jews (among others), with a nation founded on the principle of self-determination. Sure, they're similar. But you're ignoring, either willfully or otherwise, the reasons and background for each ideology, which are fundamentally opposed though they share similar precepts.You skipped the history lessons? You really think the sole purpose of national socialism was eliminating Jews? You really think that's what they got elected for and that's what they started the war for?
And since when is Judaism a nation? And if you believe Judaism was founded on self-determination, then what about the self-determination of those living in Palestine when the Balfour declaration was made and prior to the subsequent mass immigration of Jews?

I'm not racist. Judaism is racist. Read your Bible.

As I've mentioned to other anti-semites on NSG before: I am an atheist, anti-Zionist, anti-Israeli government Jew.

I'm not a racist, not an Israeli nor any of the other accusations you have been levelling about.

Stop generalising and making claims backed up with your own personal prejudices...

I consider Christians a Jewish sect. Christians believe that Yeshua is the Jewish messiah (hence christos, which has the same meaning). I also consider Islam a Judeochristian sect. And all worship the same fabricated godhead.

Show me the documents of Jews existing prior to the Persian era, leading the lives and following the religion the bible claims. You'll find nothing. And Israelites (which is not synonymous for Jews) were not monotheists, so everything the Bible and its followers claim, is false.

I'm not racist. Judaism is racist. Read your Bible.

You're racist. The Jews of today are descendents of the Israelites. The Israelites began as polytheists most likely, but they became monotheists. Religions and cultures change over time.

The Habiru or Hapiru are thought by many to be the ancient Hebrews. There is quite a bit of evidence to support this. So there are references to the people who will become the Jews before the Persian era.

You're an ignorant antisemite. Maybe you'd be more comfortable in the stormfront forums where nobody will challenge your bullshit.

No, I'm trying to understand why so many people who don't like the idea of Israel make comments that really are nothing but thinly veiled anti-semitism. That doesn't have to include you, but it includes plenty of others.

Some are, but the majority arent, and there is a concerted campaign from the friends of israel to label all who dissent on this as having an ulterior motive.

Wasn't it in this thread that Andaras Prime said that every Jew is a legitimate target because he or she supports Israel?

he is a ballbag. a sweaty scrotum. but thats one internet hardman out of how many with legitimate and articulate objections to the state of isreal, zionism and the behaviour of the IDF?

And then there is the question why the "anti-zionist" crowd has such a problem honestly acknowledging it when Jews get killed. The outrage is never as much as it is when a kid gets shot for throwing a stone in the refugee camps, despite the fact that the IDF doesn't go in there to kill people, but missiles are fired into settlements for precisely that purpose. And I suspect that if anyone ever thinks about why they make that differentiation in their heads, they might rationalise it by "well, they support Israel because they're Jewish, so they're not as innocent as the Palestinians".

im outraged when any heavily armed soldier kills a child. yes, civilian casulaties offend me more than military ones.

and the lebanon misadventure this summer surely put to bed the myth of the benevolent IDF tiptoeing around.

You skipped the history lessons? You really think the sole purpose of national socialism was eliminating Jews? You really think that's what they got elected for and that's what they started the war for?
And since when is Judaism a nation? And if you believe Israel was founded on self-determination, then what about the self-determination of those living in Palestine when the Balfour declaration was made and prior to the subsequent mass immigration of Jews?

The professed goal of Nazism was the elimination of the Jewish people, yes. Though they were elected for different reasons, primarily the promise of a better life from the poverty imposed on the German nation after World War I, the main, self-proclaimed goal was as stated above.

Judaism has been a nation for quite some time, actually. The "Nation of Israel" refers to the collective population of all Jewish people around the world, and the nation of Israel (in the MidEast) is the actual realization and physical embodiment of this idea.

Oh yes, and the "Palestinians" you speak of that were living in Israel before the Balfour Declaration were not the same as those that occupy the land today. They were primarily nomadic tribes pushed out of "Israel" by the British for the institution of Israel in British-mandated Palestine. The modern Palestinians have, really, no claim to the land as they are refugees from neighboring countries (and their descendants).

You skipped the history lessons? You really think the sole purpose of national socialism was eliminating Jews? You really think that's what they got elected for and that's what they started the war for?The rooting out of the "Jewish impurity" in the "master race" was one of the primary purposes of National Socialism. It may not be how they got elected in the first place, but it certainly was how they managed to get enough support to become a political force. And considering how much effort was put into the holocaust, arguing that it wasn't high priority is laughable.

As I've mentioned to other anti-semites on NSG before: I am an atheist, anti-Zionist, anti-Israeli government Jew.

I'm not a racist, not an Israeli nor any of the other accusations you have been levelling about.

Stop generalising and making claims backed up with your own personal prejudices...So your just an 'ethnic' Jew? Why do you call yourself a Jew at all? Because of your descent? So I'm an 'ethnic' Catholic because of my descent? Although I am definitely no member of the Catholic church?

And then there is the question why the "anti-zionist" crowd has such a problem honestly acknowledging it when Jews get killed.

I disagree. As a part of the "anti-zionist" crowd I don't have a problem acknowleding the fact that suicide bombing is wrong and that a life for a life is wrong.

The difference between me and an Israeli supporter (obviously only a rational Israeli supporter - not a mentalist like the OP) is only that we want peace in different ways...

I want peace with a return to the '67 borders two state system as most do. I reserve the right to put the majority of blame on the occupiers rather than the occupied...

So your just an 'ethnic' Jew? Why do you call yourself a Jew at all? Because of your descent? So I'm an 'ethnic' Catholic because of my descent? Although I am definitely no member of the Catholic church?

No. I'm just not religious. What people don't understand about Jewishness (as opposed to Judaism which is the religion) is that it is a part of one's own being. I don't let it define me but I will always acknowledge it. Catholicism has never had 'ethnic' or 'racially' based definitions whilst my Jewishness is undeniable because of historical racial definitions of Judaism.

Besides, why should you have the right to criticise anyone due to their own choices? If you can't understand why I would want to define myself as a Jew because of my (atheist, socialist) parents and grandparents or my own beliefs then perhaps you shouldn't dismiss every Jew as racist and ignore all Jewish history (something which is so laughable and ridiculous I barely want to credit it with a repost) without understanding the complexities of the people to which you refer....I very rarely bandy the term anti-semite around but you are just like the Fourth Holy Reich mate: a prejudiced wanker. :p

You're racist. The Jews of today are descendents of the Israelites. The Israelites began as polytheists most likely, but they became monotheists. Religions and cultures change over time.

The Habiru or Hapiru are thought by many to be the ancient Hebrews. There is quite a bit of evidence to support this. So there are references to the people who will become the Jews before the Persian era.

You're an ignorant antisemite. Maybe you'd be more comfortable in the stormfront forums where nobody will challenge your bullshit.Jews, Israelites, and Hebrews are not the same. And Jews are not what the latter two "have become". Jews are but a fraction (if at all) of those returning from Mesopotamia in the Persian era, while new people had been settled in Palestine, with whom they subsequently mingled. The further development of Judaism has almost nothing to do with Israelites or even Hebrews. However, Jews claim (through the Bible) that their own lifestyle and religion was that of their supposed ancestors. They projected their own ideology in into the past. Well, Nazis also created an alternative history. Am I wrong? No. And that's why I see both groups as dangerous and unnecessary. Someone who thinks that the Bible is true and its contents is (morally) right is just as bad as someone delighting in the dumb teachings of national socialism.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=120092

No surprise here sadly
Israel should get a plane and airlift them out of there to safety.

I don't hate Jews. Such an emotion would be too much regard for them.
Jews are equal to any other people, they do not deserve disdain.

All that Jews have produced is a fake alternative history. And please don't confuse Jews with Israelites or even Hebrews.
Why so bitter my Nazi friend?

And that's why I see both groups as dangerous and unnecessary.

Nice to know that I scare you


















BOO!

Did you jump? Be honest now....

No. I'm just not religious. What people don't understand about Jewishness (as opposed to Judaism which is the religion) is that it is a part of one's own being. I don't let it define me but I will always acknowledge it. Catholicism has never had 'ethnic' or 'racially' based definitions whilst my Jewishness is undeniable because of historical racial definitions of Judaism.

Besides, why should you have the right to criticise anyone due to their own choices? If you can't understand why I would want to define myself as a Jew because of my (atheist, socialist) parents and grandparents or my own beliefs then perhaps you shouldn't dismiss every Jew as racist and ignore all Jewish history (something which is so laughable and ridiculous I barely want to credit it with a repost) without understanding the complexities of the people to which you refer....I very rarely bandy the term anti-semite around but you are just like the Fourth Holy Reich mate: a prejudiced wanker. :p
historical racial definitions of Judaism? that would be no more than the biblical narrative, which doesn't hold water. to me that sounds the same as the Nazi's teachings about their alleged connexion to Aryans. nonsense altogether.

Nice to know that I scare you

BOO!

Did you jump? Be honest now....You don't scare me, sweetheart. :p
I give you credit for being atheist. You should spread that around.

historical racial definitions of Judaism? that would be no more than the biblical narrative, which doesn't hold water. to me that sounds the same as the Nazi's teachings about their alleged connexion to Aryans. nonsense altogether.

Biblical Narrative? Bollocks. I barely believe a word of the Bible. No I'm referring to a couple of thousand years of being told that racially we as a people deserve to be ghettoised, marginalised or pogrommed.

Racial identity amongst Jews has developed because of people like yourself. I would probably still define myself as Jewish without modern day anti-semitism but the Jews have gone through so much historically and the diaspora have experienced so much horror that - similar with the heightened Afrocentricity of African-Americans in comparison with say Black-British individuals - it is in solidarity with our own history (which of course doesn't exist right?) that we define ourselves as Jewish.

If it makes you feel better I describe myself as British long before I mention being Jewish. Also most Jews, like you, disagree with my claim to being Jewish and say that living outside the Talmud and the Torah is unJewish...hey you have stuff in common with teh ebil yids!

I know this argument won't wash with you but I don't particularly care: I don't feel the need to justify my own personal definitions to someone who is clearly a racist. You haven't even riled me yet. Fourth Holy Reich would wipe the floor with ya:

Why do Jews hate freedom?

I'm planning to put UB on my ignore list. His antisemitic bullshit is a waste of time and the temptation to break forum rules by flaming his silly ass is getting too great.

I'm planning to put UB on my ignore list. His antisemitic bullshit is a waste of time and the temptation to break forum rules by flaming his silly ass is getting too great.

Just say meh.

I'm not getting riled up by it cos he is clearly a twat.

Don't let the crazies get to you...seems out of character for you to get annoyed by this kind of idiocy. Sorry If I'm being presumptious for a noob. Just trying to cheer you up.:D

Just say meh.

I'm not getting riled up by it cos he is clearly a twat.

Don't let the crazies get to you...seems out of character for you to get annoyed by this kind of idiocy. Sorry If I'm being presumptious for a noob. Just trying to cheer you up.:D

I used to enjoy flaming them. I'm on thin ice with the mods though. Have been for the better part of a year. After the last temporary ban and the threat of a permanent one I've decided to use the ignore function on some folks.

I've been totally loling through this entire thread.

You know I see this thread and feel like I'm reliving the same conversation over and over.

Judaism has been a nation for quite some time, actually. The "Nation of Israel" refers to the collective population of all Jewish people around the world, and the nation of Israel (in the MidEast) is the actual realization and physical embodiment of this idea.


Is not setting up a nation based on racial/religious grounds either racist or creedist (or whatever the term for religious prejudice is).


The rooting out of the "Jewish impurity" in the "master race" was one of the primary purposes of National Socialism. It may not be how they got elected in the first place, but it certainly was how they managed to get enough support to become a political force. And considering how much effort was put into the holocaust, arguing that it wasn't high priority is laughable.
Given that they didn't even decide upon the holocaust until around a decade after they'd come to power, you can hardly say that it was either top priority or the reason they came into being/got elected. The reason it was the "final solution" is that they tried other ones first (mainly involving exile).

You know I see this thread and feel like I'm reliving the same conversation over and over.

Fair point

Jews against Zionism are against it because they are religious extremists who believe that the Torah states Israel can only be founded by G-d alone. They see the Israeli State as a sin because it was founded by man and not G-d. That is why there are anti-zionist Jews. They are nothing but fanatics who think G-d has to do everything for them.

I'm not calling the majority of the critics on this thread anti-semitic to stifle debate. I'm doing so because of their posts. Just read the fucking thread and tell me that posters like UB, AP, and some others aren't anti-semitic. They are just racists who want the Jews to be killed and defend those who do so.

There is some legitimate criticism of Israel, but it seems like a majority of the posts in this thread are far from legitimate and are based on a hatred of the Jews.

IDF can't type the word 'God'? Well, I'll be Goddamned.

Oh, and there is ample room for legitimate grievances where Israel's comportment is concerned, you flagrant apologist.

IDF can't type the word 'God'? Well, I'll be Goddamned.

Oh, and there is ample room for legitimate grievances where Israel's comportment is concerned, you flagrant apologist.


He's Jewish. As a rule we ain't allowed to write the word God. I try to do it as much as possible in between bites of bacon, sausage and ham sandwiches:

godgodgodgodgodgodgodgodgodgodgodgod

To be honest if IDF represents Israeli Jewry then I'm very scared: it begs the question of whose worse UB or IDF?

I want peace with a return to the '67 borders two state system as most do. I reserve the right to put the majority of blame on the occupiers rather than the occupied...
You see, that's the problem. You shouldn't look at it in those terms because it automatically assigns an inappropriate level of guilt. Much rather should you look at how the individuals behave. And I will maintain that marching into a refugee camp, trying to arrest someone or trying to find weapons, and having to somehow make it through a throng of angry youths (some with rifles, some with stones) is not as bad as setting up a rocket and firing it into a settler community.

One may well result in innocents being killed. I condemn that and I don't think the IDF (or any other military for that matter) is doing enough to charge the guilty soldiers with murder, because that's what it is. But the other is a concerted effort to kill people. The purpose of firing missiles is to scare people into leaving by murdering some of them.

I'm afraid that is worse than what the IDF does, and trying to change the lighting by calling one occupied and the other occupying just doesn't do it for me. Even if we wanted to call it an illegal occupation (though it looks like most of Gaza and the West Bank is indeed under Palestinian control, or would be if they stopped shooting each other for a second), there have been plenty of cases of occupied peoples resisting without murdering innocent people on the other side.