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http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/malaysia.babyswap.ap/index.html

islam: where returning to your true culture becomes a terrifying ordeal.

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I love you for that pic.

I love you for that pic.


I have a better pic than that one but i'd get banned if I posted it.

I know I'll regret asking that, but what does your religion have to do with your parents???
If I found out that I was swapped in hospital and my parents actually are Italian, does that mean I have to start liking coffee and become Catholic?
That article makes no sense whatever way I try to look at it.

I know I'll regret asking that, but what does your religion have to do with your parents???
If I found out that I was swapped in hospital and my parents actually are Italian, does that mean I have to start liking coffee and become Catholic?
That article makes no sense whatever way I try to look at it.
Yeah, that's what I was wondering.

I know I'll regret asking that, but what does your religion have to do with your parents???
If I found out that I was swapped in hospital and my parents actually are Italian, does that mean I have to start liking coffee and become Catholic?
That article makes no sense whatever way I try to look at it.

You're not supposed to try and understand it, you're just supposed to think that muslims are evil.

I have a better pic than that one but i'd get banned if I posted it.

TG me the link.

You'd think those stupid parents woulda realized they were raising an infidel.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/malaysia.babyswap.ap/index.html

islam: where returning to your true culture becomes a terrifying ordeal.


Not unlike pretending to be German over the internet then......

You'd think those stupid parents woulda realized they were raising an infidel.

That would have been funny. In their faces.

Not unlike pretending to be German over the internet then......

Pretending or claiming to be German is like claiming to be Etruscan; neither have existed for a LONG time.

1100 years later, islam is still trying to spread itself by the sword.

Can't we just nuke mecca and end this all?

Pretending or claiming to be German is like claiming to be Etruscan; neither have existed for a LONG time.
Damn that government! They lied to me!

Not unlike pretending to be German over the internet then......
boom-tish!

Damn that government! They lied to me!

The Germany today is about as German as "German's Chocolate Cake."

I know I'll regret asking that, but what does your religion have to do with your parents???
If I found out that I was swapped in hospital and my parents actually are Italian, does that mean I have to start liking coffee and become Catholic?
That article makes no sense whatever way I try to look at it.
The only reasoning I could come up with, is that maybe he always felt out of place or otherwise put off by his nonbiological parents and their culture. If he looked different (which I would suspect he would, him being of a different ethnicity!) perhaps he was even mistreated somehow, due to his (non)father suspecting that he was the result of infidelity and his mother just wondering wtf...

So maybe finding out he's really not "theirs" is just the confirmation of what he'd been thinking for years. His insta-rejection of his "parents" of 29 years tells me that there is a lot more to this than the DNA test results.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/malaysia.babyswap.ap/index.html

islam: where returning to your true culture becomes a terrifying ordeal.

I fully know how pointless it is to be the thousandth person to tell you that it's not ISLAM, but FUNDAMENTALISM that is the problem here. It's still worth it.

1100 years later, islam is still trying to spread itself by the sword.

Can't we just nuke mecca and end this all?

Only after we nuke Poland.

Fergi America;12294845']The only reasoning I could come up with, is that maybe he always felt out of place or otherwise put off by his nonbiological parents and their culture. If he looked different (which I would suspect he would, him being of a different ethnicity!) perhaps he was even mistreated somehow, due to his (non)father suspecting that he was the result of infidelity and his mother just wondering wtf...

So maybe finding out he's really not "theirs" is just the confirmation of what he'd been thinking for years. His insta-rejection of his "parents" of 29 years tells me that there is a lot more to this than the DNA test results.

Well, the article said that he doesn't intend to find his biological parents and that he still accepts the people who raised him as his parents....

I fully know how pointless it is to be the thousandth person to tell you that it's not ISLAM, but FUNDAMENTALISM that is the problem here. It's still worth it.

Fundamentalism was the problem with Nazism too, but that didn't stop them from backpacking through Europe.

The Germany today is about as German as "German's Chocolate Cake."
You know, the recipe came from someone called Sam German. So I guess no one is lying, as long as they keep the apostrophe there.

Oh, and I have been looking to give you this article. Made me think of you, if only because of the delicious irony...:p
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,463530,00.html

Only after we nuke Poland.

I doubt the muslims are as resilient as the Poles. They rebuilt Warsaw a thousand times already, they'll do it again.

Fundamentalism was the problem with Nazism too, but that didn't stop them from backpacking through Europe.

Of course, you can believe that Jews need to be exterminated because they pose a threat - all peacefully. :rolleyes:

The Germany today is about as German as "German's Chocolate Cake."

?

The Germany today is about as German as "German's Chocolate Cake."

Says someone who knows the country intimately through 2nd hand accounts.

Only after we nuke Poland.

and what would you nuke Poland for?

and what would you nuke Poland for?

Makes about as much sense as nuking Mecca...

and what would you nuke Poland for?

There are some extremist Poles. Since nuking Mecca to get rid of extremist Muslims makes sense, then nuking Poland to get rid of extremist Poles makes sense.

There are some extremist Poles. Since nuking Mecca to get rid of extremist Muslims makes sense, then nuking Poland to get rid of extremists Poles makes sense.

And don't forget that the entire population of Poland are car thieves who also take bicycles when they can't find anything else. And they take our jobs!!! And companies go there for cheap labour!!!
[/stereotyping]

Only after we nuke Poland.

Makes about as much sense as nuking Mecca...

you may as well just say nuke earth from space

Well, the article said that he doesn't intend to find his biological parents and that he still accepts the people who raised him as his parents....
No, that was the other baby in the mix-up, the Malay who was raised as Chinese.

you may as well just say nuke earth from space

I begin to think that this is what will happen eventually anyway. Some people just love to hate.

Well, the article said that he doesn't intend to find his biological parents and that he still accepts the people who raised him as his parents....
That's the other guy (the one that was raised by the Chinese). Tian Fa.

The one who wants to renounce his religion, Zulhaidi Omar, moved in with his real parents 3 months after finding out about the mix-up, and now goes by "Eddie."

The Malay boy that the Teo family brought home because of the mix-up was raised as Tian Fa, and is now married to a Chinese woman, according to The Star. Tian Fa told the newspaper he has no intention of looking for his biological family and is happy to treat Teo and his wife, Lim Sai Hak, as his parents.The real Malay, who was raised by the Chinese, likes them so he stayed.

A DNA test later confirmed the relationship and Zulhaidi moved in with his parents three months later, The Star newspaper reported.And, Zulhaidi moved in with the Chinese ones, too.

I begin to think that this is what will happen eventually anyway. Some people just love to hate.

Or hate to love, which is sometimes how it seems.

TG me the link.
oh! oh! me too! me too!

pleeeeeezzzeeeeeee....

I begin to think that this is what will happen eventually anyway. Some people just love to hate.

:(

Pretending or claiming to be German is like claiming to be Etruscan; neither have existed for a LONG time.

Sez the person who, within the recent past, claimed to be one. From that well known haven of pure Germanic Stock, Australia, where the Kaisers sent their most noble subjects, to keep the Germanic faith....

Fergi America;12294845']The only reasoning I could come up with, is that maybe he always felt out of place or otherwise put off by his nonbiological parents and their culture. If he looked different (which I would suspect he would, him being of a different ethnicity!) perhaps he was even mistreated somehow, due to his (non)father suspecting that he was the result of infidelity and his mother just wondering wtf...

So maybe finding out he's really not "theirs" is just the confirmation of what he'd been thinking for years. His insta-rejection of his "parents" of 29 years tells me that there is a lot more to this than the DNA test results.
You're spot on there. In another article I read recently about this case said exactly that: He never felt he fitted in because of his different enthicity and the (non)father never considered him his son because of the obvious differences in his ethnicity. The whole family had to put up with being accused and gossiped that the (non)mother had had an affair. Which, let's face it, would be everyone's first thought. Pretty tough for any husband and wife to deal with, let alone a traditional Muslim one.

So I guess they parents, especially the father, didn't exactly treat him too well. Hence his wanting to leave family and religion asap.

TG me the link.

oh! oh! me too! me too!

pleeeeeezzzeeeeeee....

Done.

and what would you nuke Poland for?

Because they're "Our Pope was better than your Pope" jibes at the Germans threaten to destablise the whole of Europe.

Because they're "Our Pope was better than your Pope" jibes at the Germans threaten to destablise the whole of Europe.

QFT

Done.

if it's that good when you got time can plesae TG me too

Done.

:eek: :D Very wise not to post it here.

Pretending or claiming to be German is like claiming to be Etruscan; neither have existed for a LONG time. The Germany today is about as German as "German's Chocolate Cake."
Schnauze, Dummsau!
you may as well just say nuke earth from space
Nah, not today. I need to find another girlfriend before I declare apocalypse. ;)

if it's that good when you got time can plesae TG me too

OK. Be warned though, it's a bit sick. ;)

:eek: :D Very wise not to post it here.

Heheh. ;)

:eek: :D Very wise not to post it here.

Now you make me curious... can I see it, too, please?

Now you make me curious... can I see it, too, please?

Me too, me too. Though I won't be looking at it till the weekend.

Now you make me curious... can I see it, too, please?

Me too, me too. Though I won't be looking at it till the weekend.

done and done. :p

OK. Be warned though, it's a bit sick. ;)



Heheh. ;)

thanks and yes bit sick then the cop photos i saw

BTW, Kanabia, what comic was your Grim Reaper birthday picture from? I read them before and now I can't remember it.

BTW, Kanabia, what comic was your Grim Reaper birthday picture from? I read them before and now I can't remember it.

www.pbfcomics.com :)

You're not supposed to try and understand it, you're just supposed to think that muslims are evil.

Why don't you just come out and say Bush Sucks, that's socially acceptable now.

Here's reality foir you, Islam is the only religon in the world where converting away from it is considered an automatic death sentence with no appeal.

Real civilized people, huh?
And yes, I do feel comfortable judging them. I've got friends that are islamic, and they agree that many of their laws are barbaric. Sadly they like it that way.
:sniper:

BTW, Kanabia, what comic was your Grim Reaper birthday picture from? I read them before and now I can't remember it.

www.pbfcomics.com :)

EDIT - the site isn't loading for me. Try here (http://www.citypaper.com/archives/browse.asp?columntitle=The%20Perry%20Bible%20Fellowship) for some other ones.

BTW, Kanabia, what comic was your Grim Reaper birthday picture from? I read them before and now I can't remember it.

www.pbfcomics.com :)


EDIT - the site isn't loading for me. Try here (http://www.citypaper.com/archives/browse.asp?columntitle=The%20Perry%20Bible%20Fellowship) . It looks like it has most of them.

Why don't you just come out and say Bush Sucks, that's socially acceptable now.

Here's reality foir you, Islam is the only religon in the world where converting away from it is considered an automatic death sentence with no appeal.

Real civilized people, huh?
And yes, I do feel comfortable judging them. I've got friends that are islamic, and they agree that many of their laws are barbaric. Sadly they like it that way.
:sniper:

Honey, that's always been socially acceptable.

And I find it interesting that I know quite a few dead people, according to you.

I see dead people http://www.techsupportforum.com/images/smilies/scared.gif

*image*

spam.
Why? The size, stupid. The point could have been made in a lot less than 780 pixels vertical.

*quoted image*
I love you for that pic.

quoted spam. With dumb love.

I know I'll regret asking that, but what does your religion have to do with your parents???
If I found out that I was swapped in hospital and my parents actually are Italian, does that mean I have to start liking coffee and become Catholic?
That article makes no sense whatever way I try to look at it.

They guy wants to keep living in his homeland, but wants to renounce Islam. He's challenging a law, using a technicality, and probably hoping for a grossly unfair ruling so he can appeal it and try to overthrow a religious law.
You wouldn't catch me doing that (it could go either way) but good for him.
See a loophole in a crap law, get in there and cause mayhem. Good on him.
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It's all jokes. Look again, no-one is being serious yet. Hey, look at the name of the thread, it isn't meant to be serious. It's sadly misguided flamebait which failed because no-one is taking it seriously yet. Maybe me, maybe you.

Fergi America;12294884']*snip annoying facts*

Someone taking it seriously. Oh dear, here we go ...

www.pbfcomics.com :)


EDIT - the site isn't loading for me. Try here (http://www.citypaper.com/archives/browse.asp?columntitle=The%20Perry%20Bible%20Fellowship) . It looks like it has most of them.
:fluffle:

Honey, that's always been socially acceptable.

And I find it interesting that I know quite a few dead people, according to you.

I see dead people http://www.techsupportforum.com/images/smilies/scared.gif

i knew there was more to you then you said ,oh there are two post and a timewrap given to you

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/malaysia.babyswap.ap/index.html

islam: where returning to your true culture becomes a terrifying ordeal.
Yeah, the true culture of your forefathers, right on, right on.
Who wants to go do some tribal dances while drinking wine and beer?

They guy wants to keep living in his homeland, but wants to renounce Islam. He's challenging a law, using a technicality, and probably hoping for a grossly unfair ruling so he can appeal it and try to overthrow a religious law.
You wouldn't catch me doing that (it could go either way) but good for him.
See a loophole in a crap law, get in there and cause mayhem. Good on him.


The loophole seems to be that one of the states doesn't have that law... I still don't see what that has to do with his ethnicity...

Done.

Me, too, please.

The loophole seems to be that one of the states doesn't have that law... I still don't see what that has to do with his ethnicity...

That was a pretty odd note, yeah. It sort of made sense in that he was recognized by his (half?)-sister, but it's pretty much bad journalism. More detail about the law he's being tried under would have been more useful to understanding.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/malaysia.babyswap.ap/index.html

islam: where returning to your true culture becomes a terrifying ordeal.

"your true culture"? you can't return to your true culture, because culture has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with your genes. your true culture is whatever culture you embrace, period. and considering you have about 1 billion muslims in the world, no shit some of them are going to be idiots. that's true any time you get that large a cross section of society. it has nothing to do with their religion, that's just how they justify it.

I have a better pic than that one but i'd get banned if I posted it.

Diogenes of Sinope (the man in the barrel in your picture) makes me happy. his disciples once asked him how he resisted the tempations of the flesh, so he stripped naked and started masturbating in front of them. best greek philosopher EVER.

I know I'll regret asking that, but what does your religion have to do with your parents???
If I found out that I was swapped in hospital and my parents actually are Italian, does that mean I have to start liking coffee and become Catholic?
That article makes no sense whatever way I try to look at it.

he's trying to take advantage of a legal loophole he found - religion doesn't have anything to do with your parents.

You're not supposed to try and understand it, you're just supposed to think that muslims are evil.

QFT

1100 years later, islam is still trying to spread itself by the sword.

Can't we just nuke mecca and end this all?

that wouldn't cause any trouble at all...:rolleyes: considering all the most fundamentalist elements in islam have only existed for a few hundred years, and entirely result from western colonial incursions, the best way to let them die out is to LEAVE THEM THE FUCK ALONE. if you don't give a reactionary anything to react to, they dont *gasp* react!

Well, the article said that he doesn't intend to find his biological parents and that he still accepts the people who raised him as his parents....

that's the biological malay guy, not the one the article is about.

Because they're "Our Pope was better than your Pope" jibes at the Germans threaten to destablise the whole of Europe.

destablise the whole of europe? is europe even particularly catholic anymore? I thought you folks had gotten your political structure pretty well secularised by now...between the protestant reformation and the whole 20th century thing going on, I thought european religious wars were kind of on decline...

Here's reality foir you, Islam is the only religon in the world where converting away from it is considered an automatic death sentence with no appeal.

way to pull that out of your ass. that's completely untrue. in the nation in question it results in jail time SOME of the time (assuming they enforce the law, which is doubtful), and this nation is one of the most muslim in the world. I can also think of several other sects out of which conversion is impossible, even though that's not true for islam, by and large.

Done.
ThanQ, and a tg right back at ya!

destablise the whole of europe? is europe even particularly catholic anymore? I thought you folks had gotten your political structure pretty well secularised by now...between the protestant reformation and the whole 20th century thing going on, I thought european religious wars were kind of on decline...

Joke. (http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=joke)

done and done. :p

I hate to sound like a broken record, but can I see it too???

OK. Be warned though, it's a bit sick. ;)


If its still going around, can I have a look?

Diogenes of Sinope (the man in the barrel in your picture) makes me happy. his disciples once asked him how he resisted the tempations of the flesh, so he stripped naked and started masturbating in front of them. best greek philosopher EVER.
I thought that was in response to the Athenian customs not to eat in the marketplace. As that was where he felt hungry, he didn't see why he thus shouldn't eat there.
His main argument was that if an act is not shameful in private, that same act is not made shameful just by being performed in public.
He said something along the lines of, "If only an empty belly can be relieved as easily just by rubbing it."

Don't think the police would accept it as a valid argument, though.

Diogenes of Sinope (the man in the barrel in your picture) makes me happy.

Not my picture. :P

Me, too, please.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but can I see it too???

If its still going around, can I have a look?

All done.

I'm not sending any more, though. It's not that good.

All done.

I'm not sending any more, though. It's not that good.


Thanks! Although I must say, "Oh dear!"

Thanks! Although I must say, "Oh dear!"

:p

Why don't you just come out and say Bush Sucks, that's socially acceptable now.
What? Do I even want to know what orifice you pulled this from?

Here's reality foir you, Islam is the only religon in the world where converting away from it is considered an automatic death sentence with no appeal.
Eh, what? Did you read the article at all? In all but one states in the country in question converting away from Islam is punishable by jail time, not death.
The constitution does not allow Muslims to renounce their religion, and doing so is considered apostasy and punishable by jail in several states, though not in Johor.

The loophole seems to be that one of the states doesn't have that law... I still don't see what that has to do with his ethnicity...
Silly Cabra, this has nothing to do with facts. It's about hating on the muslims.

It ain't pretty.

I did give fair warning, no? :p

I did give fair warning, no? :p

:( I wanna see *morbid curiosity*

I did give fair warning, no? :p

Ha ha, yep. :D

And Smunkee, trust me, you're happier not seeing it.

:( I wanna see *morbid curiosity*

if you like i can TG it to you

that's the biological malay guy, not the one the article is about.

Thanks for being the third person to point out to me that I can't read.



destablise the whole of europe? is europe even particularly catholic anymore? I thought you folks had gotten your political structure pretty well secularised by now...between the protestant reformation and the whole 20th century thing going on, I thought european religious wars were kind of on decline...

It's called sarcasm, hon. :D

Here's reality foir you, Islam is the only religon in the world where converting away from it is considered an automatic death sentence with no appeal.

You know what, you're absolutely right. Here's such a verse form the Quran that proves your point:
Deuteronomy 13:6-9
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
There, argument over....









What, Deutoronomy's NOT in the Quran? Shit...

Pretending or claiming to be German is like claiming to be Etruscan; neither have existed for a LONG time.

I guess this is the result of you coming to terms with the fact that you're not a German. Only you've got it reckoned that if YOU aren't German... NO ONE IS!

lol you're funny.

The Germany today is about as German as "German's Chocolate Cake."

Oh, so you mean that they're German, but they're not TRUE German quite like you like. They don't live in mud-huts, so they're not TRUE Germans. Someone - probably Adolf Hitler - died and made you the arbiter of All Things German?

Why don't you just come out and say Bush Sucks, that's socially acceptable now.
How dare people criticise the Dear Leader! Assimilate now!

Why don't you just come out and say Bush Sucks, that's socially acceptable now.

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I think thats a good change, nay GREAT change why should our leaders be above being criticized

Specially when he really does suck

done and done. :p

I know I'm gonna regret this but my curiousity must be quenched! TG me please!

no, not really. there was a recent case of a scottish girl, Molly Campbell/Misbah Rana, whose parents had split up, one was scottish, the other was from Pakistan. the girl wanted to go and live with her dad in pakistan but her mum, and the courts she used, wouldn't let her and made some legal thing to make her come back to scotland. luckily the Supreme Court saw sense and let her stay in Pakistan as she wished, but she had a whole heap of trouble to get to that point, initially she had to run away.

link (http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1496)

How pathetic. People arguing for primitive laws just to be PC...

I know I'll regret asking that, but what does your religion have to do with your parents???
If I found out that I was swapped in hospital and my parents actually are Italian, does that mean I have to start liking coffee and become Catholic?
That article makes no sense whatever way I try to look at it.

I agree. This is odd.

I agree. This is odd.

It probably makes a bit more sense when you consider that for a long time, the issue of what the Malay 'identity' is was (and probably still is) closely tied to what religion you practise. In Malaysia, the Muslims are primarily Malay, so does being Malay = being Muslim as well? And since independence Malays have had to come to terms with fitting into a country where a large part of the population is not 'local' and held economic power, so identity issues obviously come into it.

Also, what someone said earlier about the guy's own personal crisis of identity from what seems like an unhappy family situation.

Also, what someone said earlier about the guy's own personal crisis of identity from what seems like an unhappy family situation.

But even then as this thread shows, we have people like Potato Factory, New Mitanni, Deep Kimchi Online and Ny Nordland who will grasp at anything that looks like a potshot at Muslims and a justification for exterminating them all and posting it with a "Wesa told you Theysa 3b1l" gloat.

But even then as this thread shows, we have people like Potato Factory, New Mitanni, Deep Kimchi Online and Ny Nordland who will grasp at anything that looks like a potshot at Muslims and a justification for exterminating them all and posting it with a "Wesa told you Theysa 3b1l" gloat.

You sound weird. Only Potato Factory is here and noone is arguing for extermination. The choice isnt between not condemning these backward muslim laws, praising them and exterminating muslims. Get a grip...

But even then as this thread shows, we have people like Potato Factory, New Mitanni, Deep Kimchi Online and Ny Nordland who will grasp at anything that looks like a potshot at Muslims and a justification for exterminating them all and posting it with a "Wesa told you Theysa 3b1l" gloat.
Is DK back???

Is DK back???

It's a pretty common knowledge that he's masquerading as Eve Online.

destablise the whole of europe? is europe even particularly catholic anymore? I thought you folks had gotten your political structure pretty well secularised by now...between the protestant reformation and the whole 20th century thing going on, I thought european religious wars were kind of on decline...
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Obviously I should have used [sarcasm}{/sarcasm}......

It's a pretty common knowledge that he's masquerading as Eve Online.
:eek: I missed that memo!

:eek: I missed that memo!


Gauthier suspects it. I am holding out judgement. DK came across as a good bit older and more articulate, in his non-muslim bashing moments. Then again, you never know...

Gauthier suspects it. I am holding out judgement. DK came across as a good bit older and more articulate, in his non-muslim bashing moments. Then again, you never know...

In my opinion, DK came across as someone who pretended to be a good bit older and tried to be more articulate, in his non-muslim bashing moments, but failed. To me Eve Online is the fourteen year old boy that DK actually was.

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/465/religionthreadnv7.jpg

Was I the only one who noticed that the one in the background is "My fundie GF won't give me head!"?

1100 years later, islam is still trying to spread itself by the sword.

Can't we just nuke mecca and end this all?

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Not at all like the christians, eh?
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http://www.foxnews.com/projects/maps/640x480_iraq_postwar.jpg

No comment.

Don't you get shipped off world for the crime of apostasy...
Wait that's Half-life 2, nevermind.

Was I the only one who noticed that the one in the background is "My fundie GF won't give me head!"?

Until you pointed it out just now, yes. Thank you.

Until you pointed it out just now, yes. Thank you.

Not a problem. I just found it funny.

Israel just needs to bomb those freaks.

You know, it's not really fundamentalism when their holy text explicitly commands them to commit violence against unbelievers.

You know, it's not really fundamentalism when their holy text explicitly commands them to commit violence against unbelievers.

So you admit these people are fundamentalists?

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/malaysia.babyswap.ap/index.html

islam: where returning to your true culture becomes a terrifying ordeal.

Shut up, Potatohead.

You know, it's not really fundamentalism when their holy text explicitly commands them to commit violence against unbelievers.

Doesn't Christianity do so as well? That Deuteronomy book is filled with all sorts of violent goodness.

You know, it's not really fundamentalism when their holy text explicitly commands them to commit violence against unbelievers.

................................................

That's the definition of fundamentalism.

I guess this is the result of you coming to terms with the fact that you're not a German. Only you've got it reckoned that if YOU aren't German... NO ONE IS!

There haven't been any Germans since about 919.

Doesn't Christianity do so as well? That Deuteronomy book is filled with all sorts of violent goodness.

For the five trillionth time, the Old Testament for Christianity is NULL and VOID.

There haven't been any Germans since about 919.

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That is a really fucking stupid statement, by any reasoning whatsoever.

For the five trillionth time, the Old Testament for Christianity is NULL and VOID.

Despite Jesus saying it was all still in effect? You're a heretic then.

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That is a really fucking stupid statement, by any reasoning whatsoever.

919 was when East Francia, the last coherent state of Germans, ended. Soon after, the HRE began; that was a royal mess.

Despite Jesus saying it was all still in effect? You're a heretic then.

I'm not Christian, twit. And I've done Catholic studies.

I'm not Christian, twit. And I've done Catholic studies.

Catholic studies. Wow. That makes you such an authority.

Catholic studies. Wow. That makes you such an authority.

Moreso than you.

919 was when East Francia, the last coherent state of Germans, ended. Soon after, the HRE began; that was a royal mess.

Right. Fucking stupid.

Moreso than you.

Considering that I have obviously read the New Testament, while you have not, as you made such an elementary mistake, I somehow doubt that.

Considering that I have obviously read the New Testament, while you have not, as you made such an elementary mistake, I somehow doubt that.

Uh huh. You DO know that even if Jesus said something, it can be overruled by the Pope? Or at least, could have been.

Right. Fucking stupid.

No, it's not. It's like taking Poland, Korea, the US and Botswana, merging them, and calling them "France." They can say it, but it's just not true.

Uh huh. You DO know that even if Jesus said something, it can be overruled by the Pope? Or at least, could have been.

Catholicism isn't the whole of Christianity. Where the fuck did you get an idea as stupid as that? And no, the Pope never had the authority to override the fucking son of God.

No, it's not. It's like taking Poland, Korea, the US and Botswana, merging them, and calling them "France." They can say it, but it's just not true.

If that was done, then that grouping would be France. There's this thing called a name. Ever heard of it?

If that was done, then that grouping would be France. There's this thing called a name. Ever heard of it?

No. They can call themselves France, but that doesn't actually MAKE them France.

Catholicism isn't the whole of Christianity. Where the fuck did you get an idea as stupid as that?

It's the only one I really look to for standards. Protestantism is too fractured, and as artificial as hell anyway.

And no, the Pope never had the authority to override the fucking son of God.

Yes, he did. Papal infallibility. If the Pope said that the sky was purple and clouds were made of Italian people, he'd be correct according to Catholicism.

No. They can call themselves France, but that doesn't actually MAKE them France.

Actually, you'll find it does.
You, on the other hand, can go around claiming that they're not France or Germany, respectively, without ever affecting the simple fact that they are.

See how that works?

Yes, he did. Papal infallibility. If the Pope said that the sky was purple and clouds were made of Italian people, he'd be correct according to Catholicism.

So you're arguing that the Old Testament does not have the same degree of binding law for Catholics as the New Testament does.
Well, guess what? Catholics are just one Christian sect. It's a bit like arguing that bits of the Quran are regarded as less important by Suniis, whereas Shi'ites consider them the most important bits.

Actually, you'll find it does.
You, on the other hand, can go around claiming that they're not France or Germany, respectively, without ever affecting the simple fact that they are.

See how that works?

No, I don't. See, you can claim to be something, but not actually BE IT. Just because you say you're something, doesn't make you so.

Does fraud not exist in your liberal paradise?

Well, guess what? Catholics are just one Christian sect.

Except that they're the most consistent. There are millions of different Protestant sects; only a handful actually MATTER.

Goddamnit, why am I trying to get TPF out of his magical fantasy world again?

No, I don't. See, you can claim to be something, but not actually BE IT. Just because you say you're something, doesn't make you so.

Does fraud not exist in your liberal paradise?

If a group of people decide to call themselves something and that name is not already taken by another group, they actually ARE IT.
There's no fraud involved, it's called "right of self-determination".

Except that they're the most consistent. There are millions of different Protestant sects; only a handful actually MATTER.

Matter to whom?

Goddamnit, why am I trying to get TPF out of his magical fantasy world again?

Cause it's fun.

If a group of people decide to call themselves something and that name is not already taken by another group, they actually ARE IT.
There's no fraud involved, it's called "right of self-determination".

It's no such thing. Right of self-determination is about leading your own people as their own country and shit like that. If that was true, Macedonia and Greece wouldn't have squabbled over names.

Matter to whom?

To the world.

If a group of people decide to call themselves something and that name is not already taken by another group, they actually ARE IT.
There's no fraud involved, it's called "right of self-determination".I, for example, am a zebra in a sack.

To the world.

As they don't matter to me, I hereby declare that they don't matter at all. To anyone.

I, for example, am a zebra in a sack.

Sorry, but zebras and sacks already exist, so you can't take that name without meeting the current prerequisites.

It's no such thing. Right of self-determination is about leading your own people as their own country and shit like that. If that was true, Macedonia and Greece wouldn't have squabbled over names.

Which part of "if that name is not already taken by another group" didn't you understand?
Greece claims that Macedonia is entirly one of it's provinces, so the new country of Macedonia needed to find a name that's different. They came up with "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia".
Tyrol is both a province in Austria and one in Italy, so the Italian one had to be called "South-Tyrol". See how that works?

No. They can call themselves France, but that doesn't actually MAKE them France.

That's odd, because the country just across the Channel is generally referred to as France on my maps. The people over there call themselves French. The government is the French government, and the entire world recognises that the country in between the Channel and BeNeLux countries is known as France.

But, hey, why let that stop you from ranting. Logic never stopped you before, K-P...

Sorry, but zebras and sacks already exist, so you can't take that name without meeting the current prerequisites.Actually I can, I'm the New & Improved Zebra in a Sack.As they don't matter to me, I hereby declare that they don't matter at all. To anyone.But since a fucking church keeps ringing at annoyingly short intervals here, I'm gonna have to say the Lutheran Church matters to everyone, because it does to me.

It may come as a surprise to all other religious people, but I'm sure in time they'll learn to cope with now being Lutheran.But, hey, why let that stop you from ranting. Logic never stopped you before, K-P...Haha, nice one. As if we didn't all know France is a fictional country.

EDIT: OK apologies.. Well not really.. This thread is contagiously stupid.

That's odd, because the country just across the Channel is generally referred to as France on my maps. The people over there call themselves French. The government is the French government, and the entire world recognises that the country in between the Channel and BeNeLux countries is known as France.

But, hey, why let that stop you from ranting. Logic never stopped you before, K-P...

TPF is K-P? ooooh, it all makes sense now.

(i dont catch on too quick)

Actually I can, I'm the New & Improved Zebra in a Sack.But since a fucking church keeps ringing at annoyingly short intervals here, I'm gonna have to say the Lutheran Church matters to everyone, because it does to me.

It may come as a surprise to all other religious people, but I'm sure in time they'll learn to cope with now being Lutheran.Haha, nice one. As if we didn't all know France is a fictional country.

EDIT: OK apologies.. Well not really.. This thread is contagiously stupid.

I hereby declare the chocolate-and-sex religion to be the only religion that matters to anyone, cause it matters to me.
It would, after all I'm the main goddess. :D


There, this should take things to a whole new level....

I hereby declare the chocolate-and-sex religion to be the only religion that matters to anyone, cause it matters to me.
It would, after all I'm the main goddess. :D


There, this should take things to a whole new level....

I'd convert.

I'd convert.

What do you mean, "would"? Do I need to send in my chocolate inquisition squads, infidel? ;)

What do you mean, "would"? Do I need to send in my chocolate inquisition squads, infidel? ;)

I have this problem where I don't do things because it's easier to not.

I have this problem where I don't do things because it's easier to not.

Well, just have a candy bar and a wank. I'll accept that as worship.

Well, just have a candy bar and a wank. I'll accept that as worship.

That works.

I hereby declare the chocolate-and-sex religion to be the only religion that matters to anyone, cause it matters to me.
It would, after all I'm the main goddess. :D


There, this should take things to a whole new level....Holy shit! I'm born again!! Now, dear goddess, hurry your sweat ass over here before the girlfriend gets home :p

That works.

My first follower.... great.
Let's all worship chocolate and sex from now on and rejoice!

Holy shit! I'm born again!! Now, dear goddess, hurry your sweat ass over here before the girlfriend gets home :p

Hey, nobody calls the godess's ass sweaty.
You may call it sweet, though ;)

Hey, nobody calls the godess's ass sweaty.
You may call it sweet, though ;)I would, but you've no idea how hard it is to see the keys when you're a zebra in a sack. I may be new & improved, but I didn't come with a nightlight :(

I would, but you've no idea how hard it is to see the keys when you're a zebra in a sack. I may be new & improved, but I didn't come with a nightlight :(

Well, you shouldn't come on a nightlight anyway. You might get electrocuted.
Imagine what that would do to your stripes!

Well, you shouldn't come on a nightlight anyway. You might get electrocuted.
Imagine what that would do to your stripes!I don't wanna be a zebra in a sack anymore, because you just made me realise what'd happen if I worship you. Might catch a cold if I sit in a wet sack all day...

I don't wanna be a zebra in a sack anymore, because you just made me realise what'd happen if I worship you. Might catch a cold if I sit in a wet sack all day...

It might start to smell after a while, too.
And besides, in that sack you'd remain a solitary worshipper. It's so much more fun to worship with others. :D

It might start to smell after a while, too.
And besides, in that sack you'd remain a solitary worshipper. It's so much more fun to worship with others. :DGood idea. I'll go shop some bodysauce down the pornshop & give you some proper worship when my better half gets home ;)

Good idea. I'll go shop some bodysauce down the pornshop & give you some proper worship when my better half gets home ;)

Remember, the best worship is safe worship :)

Remember, the best worship is safe worship :)Pfft! I don't need a hot goddess to tell me that. But it helps ;)

Yes, he did. Papal infallibility. If the Pope said that the sky was purple and clouds were made of Italian people, he'd be correct according to Catholicism.

No, he can only be infallible in certain matters. Morality is the biggie. That does not extend to the kind of thing you're suggesting.

Your score in the game of teh intarweb so far - Internet German 0, Internet Catholicism 0.

Was I the only one who noticed that the one in the background is "My fundie GF won't give me head!"?
That bit was the best.
For the five trillionth time, the Old Testament for Christianity is NULL and VOID.
Jesus disagrees.
I, for example, am a zebra in a sack.
This actually explains so much.
What do you mean, "would"? Do I need to send in my chocolate inquisition squads, infidel? ;)

No one expects the chocolate inquisition.

It's the only one I really look to for standards. Protestantism is too fractured, and as artificial as hell anyway.

Why are we all talking to this idiot?

Yes, he did. Papal infallibility. If the Pope said that the sky was purple and clouds were made of Italian people, he'd be correct according to Catholicism.

I mean, look at that. Pure flame, directed at the generic pope (a generalisation of the current or previous Pope, himself a straw man for Catholicism, on top of TPF making Catholicism a straw man for Christianity, on top of his plainly just trying to make trouble.)

Pfshaw!

Why are we all talking to this idiot?



I mean, look at that. Pure flame, directed at the generic pope (a generalisation of the current or previous Pope, himself a straw man for Catholicism, on top of TPF making Catholicism a straw man for Christianity, on top of his plainly just trying to make trouble.)

Pfshaw!

Not to mention it's totally wrong.

This actually explains so much. Yes well, when you've lived your life in a sack, it's a bit hard to work up the courage to come out :p

It's the only one I really look to for standards. Protestantism is too fractured, and as artificial as hell anyway.



Yes, he did. Papal infallibility. If the Pope said that the sky was purple and clouds were made of Italian people, he'd be correct according to Catholicism.

You fail at understanding papal infallibility, hint he is only infallible about church doctrine not the world in general

Not to mention it's totally wrong.

Yet it's worth the time to argue against.
Hmm.

Yes, TPF is not a write-off. There's hope yet for him/her. There's the element of humour there.
Jesting is an admisssion of weakness or imperfection, and from that can come improvement.
Carry on.

I know I'll regret asking that, but what does your religion have to do with your parents??? Parents get to choose the religion their kids will follow. At least until they're old enough to tell their parents to fuck off.
If I found out that I was swapped in hospital and my parents actually are Italian, does that mean I have to start liking coffee and become Catholic? Yeah, why not?
That article makes no sense whatever way I try to look at it.Islam is funny that way. Apostates are discouraged. In Malaysia it's a crime to convert from Islam, in some places it's punishable by death.

Only after we nuke Poland.

We don't have to nuke Poland. Just give Germany the green light to reclaim it. That is if they can get rid of their pussy government.

We don't have to nuke Poland. Just give Germany the green light to reclaim it. That is if they can get rid of their pussy government.

Because that went so well for the Germans the last time they tried it...

Because that went so well for the Germans the last time they tried it...

To modify a George Carlin quote, "Germans are great when limited to about four countries. After that they start wearing armbands and chanting slogans"

Yes, I realize this is offensive. I mean it as a joke, okay?

Parents get to choose the religion their kids will follow. At least until they're old enough to tell their parents to fuck off. Yeah, why not?Islam is funny that way. Apostates are discouraged. In Malaysia it's a crime to convert from Islam, in some places it's punishable by death.

I always thought such laws were silly, since they can't really change whether or not you believe in a religion or not.

I know I'll regret asking that, but what does your religion have to do with your parents???
If I found out that I was swapped in hospital and my parents actually are Italian, does that mean I have to start liking coffee and become Catholic?
That article makes no sense whatever way I try to look at it.
I think the point is that you should be able to convert your religion if you want. I get the feeling that his biological parents being chinese is just supposed to make this easier for him.

Because that went so well for the Germans the last time they tried it...

Actually their invasion of Poland went quite well. It was the rest of the world that was the problem.

We don't have to nuke Poland. Just give Germany the green light to reclaim it. That is if they can get rid of their pussy government.

Why would they want the place? They're struggling to pay for their last great acquisition now, it's ruined their economy and has seriously messed up their job market.

Yes, I realize this is offensive. I mean it as a joke, okay?

*assumes you're American*

Americans are great until they get to vote. Then they elect Bush.

You fail at understanding papal infallibility, hint he is only infallible about church doctrine not the world in general

Come on. It's a religion. The entire thing is about deluding yourself about the world.

Come on. It's a religion. The entire thing is about deluding yourself about the world.

Yeah...deluding yourself.......

Come on. It's a religion. The entire thing is about deluding yourself about the world.

Says the guy who doesn't believe there have been Germans since 919.

Says the guy who doesn't believe there have been Germans since 919.

Delusion can be something of a hobby, you know? ;)

Delusion can be something of a hobby, you know? ;)

A guy's gotta have something to do with his time.

Says the guy who doesn't believe there have been Germans since 919.

:eek: when did that happen, oh right only in his mind

A guy's gotta have something to do with his time.

Well, there's........... ah well, if he doesn't think of that himself, there's not helping him.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/malaysia.babyswap.ap/index.html

islam: where returning to your true culture becomes a terrifying ordeal.

I couldn't be bothered to read through the thread because I'm so lazy I haven't actually left my bedroom yet (13:55 in England), so somebody may already have made this point, but... Doesn't this just illustrate the danger of ANY kind of religious fundamentalist state, not specifically the nastiness of Islam? It's not as if it's 'Islam' that is mistreating this man; it's his government. If he was a Muslim in the USA, for instance, he'd probably have very little difficulty renouncing his faith.
That does rather ignore the thorny issue of 'honour killings', but I think ultimately they're probably the product of a particular political climate within Islam. In any case, those are isolated actions by individuals, and there are plenty of Christian psychos too.
Anyway, stop Muslim-bashing, you bloody Muslim-bashers. It's not helpful, just dumb.

Well, there's........... ah well, if he doesn't think of that himself, there's not helping him.

dose he ever think outside that small box in side that mind of his

Says the guy who doesn't believe there have been Germans since 919.

Dare I ask who is living in Germany now?

Dare I ask who is living in Germany now?

Polish?

Dare I ask who is living in Germany now?

FauxGermans.

Dare I ask who is living in Germany now?
the Wizards.

i would have sued the doctor who f**ked up

Because that went so well for the Germans the last time they tried it...

That's quite tasteful. By the standards of your previous posts, it's outright insightful.

I choose to reward you with patronizing advice: change your name.

"Skinny kid who was born in 1987" is just not very uplifting. It, like, doesn't give your opinions the kick-start they, you know, need.

I don't hate you. Dammit, I like you. I choose to kick you now. :fluffle:

That's quite tasteful. By the standards of your previous posts, it's outright insightful.

I choose to reward you with patronizing advice: change your name.

"Skinny kid who was born in 1987" is just not very uplifting. It, like, doesn't give your opinions the kick-start they, you know, need.

I don't hate you. Dammit, I like you. I choose to kick you now. :fluffle:

...

I'm not entirely sure whether you just insulted me over my posts, or...

...yeah. not sure what, really.

...
I'm not entirely sure whether you just insulted me over my posts, or...
...yeah. not sure what, really.

It was a pretty wild swing. I think you might have offended me sometime before last Christmas with a post which seemed racist to me at the time, but was probably a joke. Ever since then I've looked askance at any post with your name next to it.

Sorry about the incomprehensible attempted insult thing. Perhaps I'm burdened by my own chosen name: I really am the crazy-yelling guy with only one shoe who thinks he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. My bad.

So can someone who isn't a FauxGerman answer my question about Deuteronomy? Isn't it in Christianity as well as Judaism (that part I know).

I distinctly recall a line in that book that suggested stoning to death a person who shaved the hair around his temples.

If that isn't crazy violence-inducing scripture, I don't know what is. Then again, I probably still don't know what is, but...well you get the point.

another case

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1078906&news=Malaysian%20Hindus%20struggle%20to%20change%20Muslim%20status&pubDate=Fri%2C+9+Feb+2007+07%3A43%3A38+GMT&keyword=dna_home
Malaysian Hindus struggle to change Muslim status

AFP


KUALA LUMPUR: Two ethnic Indian siblings who claim they are Hindus are battling authorities in majority-Muslim Malaysia to change the religion on their birth certificates, a report said on Friday.

S Jeevanathan, 22, and his sister S Maneemegalay, 21, were certified as Muslims after their father converted from Hinduism to Islam before they were born.

Their father reverted to Hinduism in 1991, but was buried by Islamic authorities as a Muslim last month despite the protests of his children, who fear the same fate, the New Straits Times reported.

"Not only had we lost our father but we could not do anything when they came and took away his body," Maneemegalay was quoted as saying.

The siblings, registered as Hindus on their identity cards, are trying to change their Muslim status on their birth certificates but have been turned down so far by Malaysia's National Registration Department.

"They say it cannot be done. We do not want to suffer my father's fate," Jeevanathan said.

In Malaysia, children born to Muslim parents are automatically certified as Muslims, and conversions out of Islam, considered a grave sin, are rarely sanctioned.

The siblings' dilemma echoes a series of recent high-profile clashes over religious conversions.

An ethnic Chinese man who was switched at birth and raised as an ethnic Malay Muslim is currently seeking to renounce Islam and change his name after he was reunited with his biological parents.

In 2005, religious and racial tensions were raised when an ethnic Indian mountaineering hero born a Hindu was buried as a Muslim despite his family's protests.

Dare I ask who is living in Germany now?

Mixed Germanics. It's like a packet of nuts.

Mixed Germanics. It's like a packet of nuts.

Guess they're just not as pure enough for your oh-not-at-all-racist likes, mein fraulein.

Guess they're just not as pure enough for your oh-not-at-all-racist likes, mein fraulein.

I never said I wasn't racist.

I never said I wasn't racist.

That's not exactly the same as admitting to being a racist though. You should try it and surprise people with your honesty. It'd be a refreshing change from being surprised by your idiocy.