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In history we're studying the French revolution. I got a history worksheet with questions on it involving the French revolution but the last question is suspicious. It asks what would make ME revolt. I believe either the gov wants to know how to prevent revolt or something along those lines, because lately school and gov are so close its hard to tell them apart, There's not a single day that passes when a teacher doesn't stress that the government is placing regulations on them. So is the US spying on its students?

Write that if your leadership went off on some random military adventure overseas, perhaps say to the Middle East, that you might.

In history we're studying the French revolution. I got a history worksheet with questions on it involving the French revolution but the last question is suspicious. It asks what would make ME revolt. I believe either the gov wants to know how to prevent revolt or something along those lines, because lately school and gov are so close its hard to tell them apart, There's not a single day that passes when a teacher doesn't stress that the government is placing regulations on them. So is the US spying on its students?

I don't know, but when I'm being spied on in my house. That's when I've had enough. Long Live the Revolution!

No. Stop being paranoid. If the government actually did that, I'd be in jail for that time when my eighth grade class seceded.

No. That's ridiculous.

put down anything and say you like abbie hoffman's idea when he wrote "revolution for the hell of it"....hehe....i got in trouble at school for reading one of his books, almost called the cops on me to recomend me for psychiatric evaluation :)

lol. I somehow think if the US government wanted to be ridiculously oppressive, it has many other groups besides high school students higher up on its hit list.

put down anything and say you like abbie hoffman's idea when he wrote "revolution for the hell of it"....hehe....i got in trouble at school for reading one of his books, almost called the cops on me to recomend me for psychiatric evaluation :)

I thought people would prefer avoiding trouble with the gov. :rolleyes: :confused:

What are you talking about? High schoolers are really important; just ask any high schooler.

Hehe. :p

lol. I somehow think if the US government wanted to be ridiculously oppressive, it has many other groups besides high school students higher up on its hit list.

What are you talking about? High schoolers are really important; just ask any high schooler.

In history we're studying the French revolution. I got a history worksheet with questions on it involving the French revolution but the last question is suspicious. It asks what would make ME revolt. I believe either the gov wants to know how to prevent revolt or something along those lines, because lately school and gov are so close its hard to tell them apart, There's not a single day that passes when a teacher doesn't stress that the government is placing regulations on them. So is the US spying on its students?

Yes. Now get to making a tinfoil hat so the NSA satellites can't brainwash you.

lol. I somehow think if the US government wanted to be ridiculously oppressive, it has many other groups besides high school students higher up on its hit list.

Hey who says they won't oppress them all?

Hey who says they won't oppress them all?

It's obviously a conspiracy. You need to spread awareness of this on the internet, so people will find out and know not to trust the government. But don't let your history teacher know, because he's working for THEM. You are our only hope, don't let us down.

Sheesh. Between this and the thread about trying to buy people's blood, the teenagers around these forums seem to be getting rather...odd.

In Soviet Amercian goverment no spy on you, you spy on goverment using govemrent spying machine.

So is the US spying on its students?

Go ask them.

I shake my head in pitty for you...

btw, if there was or wasnt some crazy conspiracy.. would it hurt to ask the teacher openly? :p

Yes. Now get to making a tinfoil hat so the NSA satellites can't brainwash you.

http://www.rob-clarkson.com/duff-brewery/nedflanders/03.jpg

Okily dokily! :p *starts making a tinfoil hat*

Well what should I write, if the US does something that would pisses me off a whole lot instead of revolting I'd try to get out of the US and move to a saner country.

Well what should I write, if the US does something that would pisses me off a whole lot instead of revolting I'd try to get out of the US and move to a saner country.

Oh, I see your game now. You just want homework help! :p *sounds alarm*

Oh, I see your game now. You just want homework help! :p *sounds alarm*

No, I somewhat freaked out by the fact that the gov wants to know what would make us revolt. I sure hope its to prevent them from pissing civs off, but the main reason it freaks me out is there are very few true Americans, most of them are bratty radicals who want their way, I think they're going to use that to take advantage of the gov. And I for one do not want to live a a radical country, if thats the case all that America stood for is completely lost.

In history we're studying the French revolution. I got a history worksheet with questions on it involving the French revolution but the last question is suspicious. It asks what would make ME revolt. I believe either the gov wants to know how to prevent revolt or something along those lines, because lately school and gov are so close its hard to tell them apart, There's not a single day that passes when a teacher doesn't stress that the government is placing regulations on them. So is the US spying on its students?

Good Gravy! The teacher actually gave you a question that requires you to think instead of just spitting back what you've been told. How evil is that?:rolleyes:

This is how lazy students have become. Don't ask me to think, it hurts my head.

Good Gravy! The teacher actually gave you a question that requires you to think instead of just spitting back what you've been told. How evil is that?:rolleyes:

This is how lazy students have become. Don't ask me to think, it hurts my head.

Thats not the issue. Whenever personal info is asked on a paper due to past experience it usually means that somethings up. At the baptist school I went to they wanted to know every single detail about everyone there. As a result when children (who were in a dumb clique that hated me) who had parents in admin they were able to cook up tons of lies that seemed to fit. Oh God the corruption there was ridicules. I just have this thing about having certain info given out on demand.

put down anything and say you like abbie hoffman's idea when he wrote "revolution for the hell of it"....hehe....i got in trouble at school for reading one of his books, almost called the cops on me to recomend me for psychiatric evaluation :)

Did you ever read Abbie's book, "Steal This Book"? It's totally about how to steal from society and how to make bombs, etc. for a revolution. Very interesting reading.

Did you ever read Abbie's book, "Steal This Book"? It's totally about how to steal from society and how to make bombs, etc. for a revolution. Very interesting reading.

I'm not a a sociopath. :eek: I don't want to steal from society, too much has been stolen already, I'd rather put in to it.

I would state the obvious, but it has been stated. If the government spied on me in school, I'd be in Gitmo by now.

No reason the government would spy on you in school, especially at your age. When I was at roughly the age I guess you to be, I wrote in many letters to the paper (The Chicago Tribune) than I can remember, many of them advocating a violent communist revolution. If the government was spying on us, I'd be in Guantanamo Bay by now. Somehow, I'm unafraid.

Have fun with that assignment. Take it seriously. At which point would you risk everything, even your life, for a change in the system?

I would state the obvious, but it has been stated. If the government spied on me in school, I'd be in Gitmo by now.

No reason the government would spy on you in school, especially at your age. When I was at roughly the age I guess you to be, I wrote in many letters to the paper (The Chicago Tribune) than I can remember, many of them advocating a violent communist revolution. If the government was spying on us, I'd be in Guantanamo Bay by now. Somehow, I'm unafraid.

Have fun with that assignment. Take it seriously. At which point would you risk everything, even your life, for a change in the system?

But back then things were REALLY different.

Thats not the issue. Whenever personal info is asked on a paper due to past experience it usually means that somethings up. At the baptist school I went to they wanted to know every single detail about everyone there. As a result when children (who were in a dumb clique that hated me) who had parents in admin they were able to cook up tons of lies that seemed to fit. Oh God the corruption there was ridicules. I just have this thing about having certain info given out on demand.

It's hard for me to believe that this is a legitimate concern. But if it is...What makes you think that you are worthy of government concern? Frankly the government could give a rats pattute about the average student. So unless you have been attending meetings of some subversive group they are not going to care about your opinion on anything.

Gee, no wonder when I was teaching the students hated my tests. I always demanded they actually think. Something they hadn't been asked to do in 18+ years. And we wonder where our current leadership, both business and government came from.

It's hard for me to believe that this is a legitimate concern. But if it is...What makes you think that you are worthy of government concern? Frankly the government could give a rats pattute about the average student. So unless you have been attending meetings of some subversive group they are not going to care about your opinion on anything.

Gee, no wonder when I was teaching the students hated my tests. I always demanded they actually think. Something they hadn't been asked to do in 18+ years. And we wonder where our current leadership, both business and government came from.

Problems that get people to think is good, asking for personal info like what your would make you lash out is bad. How'd you like it if an authority ask you what pissed you off? From past experience that can easily be used against you.

But back then things were REALLY different.

Way to make me feel old.

I am a private person, but for a little perspective: I wrote a paper in 8th grade on The PATRIOT act.

So is the US spying on its students?

yes. but not through your homework assignments.

Problems that get people to think is good, asking for personal info like what your would make you lash out is bad. How'd you like it if an authority ask you what pissed you off? From past experience that can easily be used against you.

I don't understand how that is a personal question. If you have something in your background to hide, don't mention it. This is a question about revolution not about what it would take to punch out an individual. The answer is expected to be about government policy not getting picked on on the playground. If you really feel the government is spying on individuals, that would be the first point of the answer. Go with it!

Way to make me feel old.

I am a private person, but for a little perspective: I wrote a paper in 8th grade on The PATRIOT act.

I wrote a paper in HS titled "Communism in American Schools".

I wrote a paper in HS titled "Communism in American Schools".

My Dad told me when he was in grade school, he had to attend an assembly that warned of the dangers of the Trilateral Commission.

I wrote a paper in HS titled "Communism in American Schools".

About what did you talk?

My Dad told me when he was in grade school, he had to attend an assembly that warned of the dangers of the Trilateral Commission.

Three weeks of my HS biology class was on how to survive in a bomb shelter. Luckily the teacher generally made it a first aid class, but that wasn't the requirement. The book was not first aid but surviving for weeks. That was about '68.

About what did you talk?

I don't remember now, but I remember having my notebook open in science class and the teacher picked it up and got a shocked look on his face. When the other students wanted to know what was wrong he held it up so they could read the title. He asked if I was going to turn it in and I said I sure was, so he gave it back and went on with science. I turned it in but don't even remember my grade. Funny what sticks in the mind 40 years later and what doesn't. I think that stuck because for a few minutes I thought I was in real deep doo doo.

Three weeks of my HS biology class was on how to survive in a bomb shelter. Luckily the teacher generally made it a first aid class, but that wasn't the requirement. The book was not first aid but surviving for weeks. That was about '68.

Damn. You lived in the good years. Back when it would be easier to get away with what I've done now.

But then again, I kinda like some of the research they do at my Uni, and that stuff was only theory in the '70's.

Damn. You lived in the good years. Back when it would be easier to get away with what I've done now.

But then again, I kinda like some of the research they do at my Uni, and that stuff was only theory in the '70's.

I tell kids all the time that I really feel sorry for anyone that doesn't remember 1968. For Americans at least it was "the best of times and the worst of times". Anyone too young to remember it doesn't know how wonderful the US can be.....nor how totally evil it can be. They have no idea what it means to live in a nation where there was an overwhelming hope and vision for the future....nor a nation that could easily have dropped into the evils of an Iraq style civil war, where no one knew why they were fighting, they were just fighting.

They don't know what it means to dream dreams of a wonderful future and have powerful people saying
'this is the ideal, we may not make it but follow me and we'll head in that direction"......At the same time (and even today) have powerful people saying this is the ideal past let's drop all social advancement.

I don't know what would have happened if Bobby and Martin had lived, but their deaths seemed to end any leadership to an ideal dream of the future. Since then our "leaders" have been poll reading followers or worse....people dragging us to the worst evils of the past.

So is the US spying on its students?
Don't be ridiculous.

Coded message to HQ: The natives suspect nothing. Request extension of mission for the duration. The pickles are on the weasel. Repeat: the pickles are on the weasel.

It takes work to spy on people. And the government has better things to do than waste it's resources on the likes of you.

It takes work to spy on people. And the government has better things to do than waste it's resources on the likes of you.

It does? Cmon the US gov wastes recourses on tons of stuff, its American to waste stuff, thats one of the reasons we invaded Iraq, we wanted oil to waste on stuff whether it be electricity or heating or fueling cars. the US is known for wasting stuff.

It does? Cmon the US gov wastes recourses on tons of stuff, its American to waste stuff, thats one of the reasons we invaded Iraq, we wanted oil to waste on stuff whether it be electricity or heating or fueling cars. the US is known for wasting stuff.

We prefer wasting money on useful or pleasureful things, like driving or pornography. What goes on in your mind is neither useful or pleasureful to the government.

The Cointelpro's on your ass! Better get in touch with your inner weatherman & head underground.. Or something.

We prefer wasting money on useful or pleasureful things, like driving or pornography. What goes on in your mind is neither useful or pleasureful to the government.

wasn't the fueling cars, electricity and heating useful and/or pleasureful?

And whats with living for pleasure, its like chasing fairies, one man's pleasure is another man's hell so its pointless, finding ways to cure society's ails is more useful.

And I for one do not want to live a a radical country, if thats the case all that America stood for is completely lost.

All that America stood for? Like world domination through superior economical and military power? It has been a while since America stood for anything else.

Beside that, I don’t live in America myself, but in my humble opinion, a country where almost every common citizen has a lawyer because they can be charged for the most trivial things IS a radical country, a very radical one. But maybe that’s just me.

All that America stood for? Like world domination through superior economical and military power? It has been a while since America stood for anything else.

Beside that, I don’t live in America myself, but in my humble opinion, a country where almost every common citizen has a lawyer because they can be charged for the most trivial things IS a radical country, a very radical one. But maybe that’s just me.

Thats the capitalism. :(

All that America stood for? Like world domination through superior economical and military power? It has been a while since America stood for anything else.

It's good to be World Hegemon.


Beside that, I don’t live in America myself, but in my humble opinion, a country where almost every common citizen has a lawyer because they can be charged for the most trivial things IS a radical country, a very radical one. But maybe that’s just me.

That is incorrect. The majority of the citizenry of the US has never been charged with anything more serious than a moving violation or a misdemeanor drug charge. Very few citizens have a lawyer in the rolodex.

In history we're studying the French revolution. I got a history worksheet with questions on it involving the French revolution but the last question is suspicious. It asks what would make ME revolt. I believe either the gov wants to know how to prevent revolt or something along those lines, because lately school and gov are so close its hard to tell them apart, There's not a single day that passes when a teacher doesn't stress that the government is placing regulations on them. So is the US spying on its students?

Well, maybe. But what's so worrying? All your tests will be scrutinised. Many are likely to contain opinion questions. How is this any differant from any other? Besides, shouldn't you tell the government what you hate? So they can correct it?

No. Stop being paranoid. If the government actually did that, I'd be in jail for that time when my eighth grade class seceded.

That gives me an idea...

*Dons Simon Bolivar uniform*

"I declare, on this day, the Democratic Republic of Class2R3ezuela to be forever independant of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island. Long live Class2R3ezuela! Death to the tyrants!

"Regrettably, the refusal of the British Government and the Headie to recognise our independance forces me to declare a State of Emergency. The Constitution of Our Glorious Fatherland specifically states that during a State of Emergency, the Armed Forces Chief of Staff is to be declared military dictator!

"But do not worry, citizens. I am bound entirely to the Constitution and the Democratic Will of the People. I just need to ammend the Constitution now, won't take a second..."

*Crosses out "Democratic Will of the People."*

Vive Class2R3ezuela!

It asks what would make ME revolt.
"Having every aspect of my life invaded by a government intent on controlling my every thought and action" would be a suitable response.

Problems that get people to think is good, asking for personal info like what your would make you lash out is bad. How'd you like it if an authority ask you what pissed you off? From past experience that can easily be used against you.

I'd just make up some stuff if I was worried about it. Something that the gov would believe actually would piss you off...but that has about as much chance of actually happening as snow at the equator.

"I'd revolt if the US became a radical Islamist theocracy!" may be just toooo easy...

So is the US spying on its students?Well, history does show that students are the most revolting demographic.
It wouldn't surprise me much.

In history we're studying the French revolution. I got a history worksheet with questions on it involving the French revolution but the last question is suspicious. It asks what would make ME revolt. I believe either the gov wants to know how to prevent revolt or something along those lines, because lately school and gov are so close its hard to tell them apart, There's not a single day that passes when a teacher doesn't stress that the government is placing regulations on them. So is the US spying on its students?

:rolleyes: Something tells me you're not quite worth being spied on after reading that...

And I for one do not want to live a a radical country, if thats the case all that America stood for is completely lost.

You're an idiot. America was founded on radical ideals. I suppose democracy and breaking off from the strongest nation on the face of the earth were rather common-hat in 1776 weren't they? As I said, you have bigger concerns than being spied on. Stay in school. Get an education. Please...

You know even in the book "1984" they didn't spy on ordinary people. Of course that was 23 years ago. Come to think of it, every time I walk into any kind of store I get this weird feeling I'm being watched.

It does? Cmon the US gov wastes recourses on tons of stuff, its American to waste stuff, thats one of the reasons we invaded Iraq, we wanted oil to waste on stuff whether it be electricity or heating or fueling cars. the US is known for wasting stuff.

The reasons the government won't spy on you: (no offense intended)

1. Kids (below voting age) are, generally, stupid, or regarded as such by the leaders of this country. No one gives a damn what kids think.

2. Kids, generally, waste their time doing non-productive stuff. The government would spy on you if you made repeated trips back and forth to Pakistan (or at least, my friends from Pakistan complain about this).

3. You have neither the financial means, the technical knowledge nor the motivation to do any serious harm to this country. Iraq was a personal vendetta for King George (you know, he keeps the sidearm Saddam had when he was captured in his desk).

4. No one gives a damn about kids. You probably can't vote, probably aren't part of any extremist political organization that is being watched by the feds, and you still go to school. By definition, you aren't a threat.

just write: "i'm pretty revolting already, actually".

lol. I somehow think if the US government wanted to be ridiculously oppressive, it has many other groups besides high school students higher up on its hit list.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. :mad:

You know even in the book "1984" they didn't spy on ordinary people. Of course that was 23 years ago. Come to think of it, every time I walk into any kind of store I get this weird feeling I'm being watched.

You are. CCTV is in just about every retail establishment.

I thought people would prefer avoiding trouble with the gov. :rolleyes: :confused:

not me, i want to fuck them up as much as possible, i hate those people

:mad: Did you ever read Abbie's book, "Steal This Book"? It's totally about how to steal from society and how to make bombs, etc. for a revolution. Very interesting reading.

actualy thats the book i got in trouble for reading, you should have seen my principal's reaction (im at a catholic school :() it was funn when he was reading chapter titles out loud like free dope, steal now pay never, or fuck ny, fuck san fransico, fuck chicago and the such oooooo....i enjoyed that day so much, dont get me started when he reached the sections about how to build bombs and such....lol....im paci so it was funny to listen to him tell me how killing and violence was not the way to go

Sheesh. Between this and the thread about trying to buy people's blood, the teenagers around these forums seem to be getting rather...odd.

Hey, I'm not odd, just stupid.

You teens may not like the gov't and may think you have all the answers to all the worlds problems, but you need to get past the conspiracy theories. The gov't does not care that much about you. And while you may have some good ideas and one day they may have a chance to do good, you do not have all the answers to the worlds ills.

As a teen, I completely agree with you.

wanna bet?

In history we're studying the French revolution. I got a history worksheet with questions on it involving the French revolution but the last question is suspicious. It asks what would make ME revolt. I believe either the gov wants to know how to prevent revolt or something along those lines, because lately school and gov are so close its hard to tell them apart, There's not a single day that passes when a teacher doesn't stress that the government is placing regulations on them. So is the US spying on its students?

Believe me buddy, when I was taking the survey about what I would do if an authoritarian government took over and started discriminating and doing Holocaust-esque things to me, I thought the government was spying on me too. They're not. It's just your paranoid brain telling you they are.

Funnily enough, last year (eighth grade) we were studying the American Revolution and one question was "do you think the American colonists were right to rebel?"

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Hello all, this is the <govtagency>. "Darknovae" (we will not reveal her real name) has been taken into custody for her anti-American actions and will be absent from this forum for a few... err... decades.

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You should write "If the schools wants to know if I'm gonna revolt"

Well, history does show that students are the most revolting demographic.
It wouldn't surprise me much.
I know. It would help if they showered more often.

In history we're studying the French revolution. I got a history worksheet with questions on it involving the French revolution but the last question is suspicious. It asks what would make ME revolt. I believe either the gov wants to know how to prevent revolt or something along those lines, because lately school and gov are so close its hard to tell them apart, There's not a single day that passes when a teacher doesn't stress that the government is placing regulations on them. So is the US spying on its students?

Aww, these paranoid conspiracy theory wackjobs are so cute when they are little. Every March the pounds fill up though, people realize they are hard to care for and annoying as hell once they grow up.

Aww, these paranoid conspiracy theory wackjobs are so cute when they are little. Every March the pounds fill up though, people realize they are hard to care for and annoying as hell once they grow up.

Paranoia is a common USian trait.

i think you might have your tinfoil hat on a little too tight :rolleyes:

:mad:

actualy thats the book i got in trouble for reading, you should have seen my principal's reaction (im at a catholic school :() it was funn when he was reading chapter titles out loud like free dope, steal now pay never, or fuck ny, fuck san fransico, fuck chicago and the such oooooo....i enjoyed that day so much, dont get me started when he reached the sections about how to build bombs and such....lol....im paci so it was funny to listen to him tell me how killing and violence was not the way to go

I just looked it up and "Steal This Book" is available new on Amazon. I guess classics live forever.

Yes. Now get to making a tinfoil hat so the NSA satellites can't brainwash you.

Tinfoil only works if it completely encloses the brain. Makes it hard to breathe ;)
Did you ever read Abbie's book, "Steal This Book"? It's totally about how to steal from society and how to make bombs, etc. for a revolution. Very interesting reading.

Now being given away. Abbie, you're a sell-out!!!
Steal This Book (http://tenant.net/Community/steal/steal.html)

You're an idiot.
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And you're a boor. If you don't like the thread, don't post to it, boor.

You know even in the book "1984" they didn't spy on ordinary people. Of course that was 23 years ago. Come to think of it, every time I walk into any kind of store I get this weird feeling I'm being watched.

Nineteen Eighty Four by George Orwell was actually written a long time before that. I thought 1948, but wikipedia says 1949.

I read it for English in high school. Yes, that is relevant.

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To the many posters who say 'the government wouldn't waste time surveilling students' I say CRAP. If I were running an evil gummint conspiracy, I'd need recruits and I'd get them early. I'd be looking for trouble years ahead, I'd be sussing out the threats before they got too canny to spill their guts.

But quite frankly, I think if there's a conspiracy happening here, it's a liberal (ie good :D ) conspiracy. It's a conspiracy of educators, trying to get you to do freedom and resistance to tyranny for yourself.

Give them a barn-burner of an answer, SL. Give them a good scare.
You'll probably get an A for it.

I just looked it up and "Steal This Book" is available new on Amazon. I guess classics live forever.

Yes, you could also buy it.
Kind of like Dali going to the bullfight, but you could.

Steal This Book, by Abbie Hoffman (http://tenant.net/Community/steal/steal.html)

EDIT: Sorry if I sounded condescending. I'd never have read this book if you hadn't mentioned it here, and I'd googled it and got wikipedia and followed the second External Link there.
Not just an article, huh? Takes a bit of reading, seems a bit dated, but attractively written. Thanks.

I am very concerned about freedom of speech.

It's not that I myself have anything very important to say, at this time. I don't feel that what I have to say is being actively oppressed, though I might feel that way when I have developed my opinions more, and have mustered evidence for them which would make them more influential.

No, I am concerned that my freedom of speech is being turned against me. I am concerned that I live in a world where talk is cheap, but the price of talk is not made clear at the time I voice my opinion. A new mobile is cheap, but the contract I enter by registering the mobile is not. This modern device is a blatant example of an age-old principle: one's word is one's bond. In modern law, this is called 'contract.'

This is a fine principle, an honourable one. And it is well supported in law ... for those subject to and protected by the law. As a minor, I am not subject to nor protected by laws of contract. Recent laws for the protection of minors, untested and with few precedents, though designed to protect me, do nothing to protect my rights or grant me any legal standing. I fart in their general direction.

I do not, and cannot speak for my parents. I decline to state whether I willingly entered into a contract to be educated: if I say I willingly entered it, I would be subject to terms which were never presented to me; if I say I did not willingly enter the contract, I would place my own parents in legal jeopardy. I leave it to my oppressors to prove which of these applies.

The implied contract of my education is a farce. Apparently, work I submit is not mine, though I am held responsible for it. I am subject to the law in respect of libel and conspiracy, but have no recourse to the law in respect of the real purpose of my work: to develop my knowledge and demonstrate the extent of it.

This is no contract. It is a sham contract, the sort of contract which is delivered by a superior onto a subordinate who has no legal representation. It cannot even be properly tested in court, since it is delivered from the state onto vassals who have no legal standing, persons born into the jurisdiction of the state, full citizens, yet rendered legally incompetent by the one factor they are least able to change: their age.

I see I have not properly answered the question, but there's a reason for that. It is none of your business.

If rebellion was only possible by contract, by arrangement with the oppressor, rebellion would be moot. Rebellion would be a ritual, a display for the greater glory of the oppressor, or else an appointment with the death squads on the eve of the supposed rebellion.

You will know neither the hour, nor the day. My will be done: such is rebellion.