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Finally, someone has stepped onto the metaphorical plate and demanded that all girls get the vaccine that prevents the number one cause of cervical cancer. I vaccine that many conservatives and such say will increase their having sex. There was some Bill Maher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maher) quote, but I forget it now and can't find it. The governor completely skipped the legislative body of their state and issued the order.

Not only is this governor a Republican...

He is Governor James Richard "Rick" Perry of Texas. :eek:

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_he_me/cervical_cancer)

AUSTIN, Texas - Bypassing the Legislature altogether, Republican Gov. Rick Perry issued an order Friday making Texas the first state to require that schoolgirls get vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer.

By employing an executive order, Perry sidestepped opposition in the Legislature from conservatives and parents' rights groups who fear such a requirement would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way Texans raise their children.

Beginning in September 2008, girls entering the sixth grade — meaning, generally, girls ages 11 and 12 — will have to receive Gardasil, Merck & Co.'s new vaccine against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV.

Perry also directed state health authorities to make the vaccine available free to girls 9 to 18 who are uninsured or whose insurance does not cover vaccines. In addition, he ordered that Medicaid offer Gardasil to women ages 19 to 21.

Perry, a conservative Christian who opposes abortion and stem-cell research using embryonic cells, counts on the religious right for his political base. But he has said the cervical cancer vaccine is no different from the one that protects children against polio.

"The HPV vaccine provides us with an incredible opportunity to effectively target and prevent cervical cancer," Perry said.

Merck is bankrolling efforts to pass state laws across the country mandating Gardasil for girls as young as 11 or 12. It doubled its lobbying budget in Texas and has funneled money through Women in Government, an advocacy group made up of female state legislators around the country.

Perry has ties to Merck and Women in Government. One of the drug company's three lobbyists in Texas is Mike Toomey, Perry's former chief of staff. His current chief of staff's mother-in-law, Texas Republican state Rep. Dianne White Delisi, is a state director for Women in Government.

The governor also received $6,000 from Merck's political action committee during his re-election campaign.

The order is effective until Perry or a successor changes it, and the Legislature has no authority to repeal it, said Perry spokeswoman Krista Moody. Moody said the Texas Constitution permits the governor, as head of the executive branch, to order other members of the executive branch to adopt rules like this one.

Legislative aides said they are looking for ways around the order for parents who oppose it.

"He's circumventing the will of the people," said Dawn Richardson, president of Parents Requesting Open Vaccine Education, a citizens group that fought for the right to opt out of other vaccine requirements. "There are bills filed. There's no emergency except in the boardrooms of Merck, where this is failing to gain the support that they had expected."

Texas allows parents to opt out of inoculations by filing an affidavit objecting to the vaccine on religious or philosophical reasons. Even with such provisions, however, conservative groups say such requirements interfere with parents' rights to make medical decisions for their children.

The federal government approved Gardasil in June, and a government advisory panel has recommended that all girls get the shots at 11 and 12, before they are likely to be sexually active.

The New Jersey-based drug company could generate billions in sales if Gardasil — at $360 for the three-shot regimen — were made mandatory across the country. Most insurance companies now cover the vaccine, which has been shown to have no serious side effects.

Merck spokeswoman Janet Skidmore would not say how much the company is spending on lobbyists or how much it has donated to Women in Government. Susan Crosby, the group's president, also declined to specify how much the drug company gave.

A top official from Merck's vaccine division sits on Women in Government's business council, and many of the bills around the country have been introduced by members of Women in Government.

It's that time again: POLL TIME!

Cervical cancer isn't contagious, and it isn't an STD, so how would that encourage them to have sex?

Also this is stupid. If some idiot wants to die, let them.

Finally, someone has stepped onto the metaphorical plate and demanded that all girls get the vaccine that prevents the number one cause of cervical cancer. I vaccine that many conservatives and such say will increase their having sex. There was some Bill Maher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maher) quote, but I forget it now and can't find it. The governor completely skipped the legislative body of their state and issued the order.

Not only is this governor a Republican...

He is Governor James Richard "Rick" Perry of Texas. :eek:

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_he_me/cervical_cancer)



It's that time again: POLL TIME!

FINALLY. About time!

And yeah, I'm planning on getting the vaccine just so I can have a ton of sex! :rolleyes:

Is this a public cervix announcement?

Cervical cancer isn't contagious, and it isn't an STD, so how would that encourage them to have sex?

Also this is stupid. If some idiot wants to die, let them.

Punishment for sex outside marriage or they will be scared of getting the virus. :rolleyes:

Cervical cancer isn't contagious, and it isn't an STD, so how would that encourage them to have sex?

Also this is stupid. If some idiot wants to die, let them.

HPV is an STD. It is the number one cause of cervical cancer, so if there is an HPV vaccine, it is an STD vaccine, so that will evidently encourage 11 and 12 year old girls to have rampant sex. :rolleyes:

FINALLY. About time!

And yeah, I'm planning on getting the vaccine just so I can have a ton of sex! :rolleyes:

Just in time...we need to talk about something....

Well, hats off to Perry. Wonders never cease.

HPV is an STD. It is the number one cause of cervical cancer, so if there is an HPV vaccine, it is an STD vaccine, so that will evidently encourage 11 and 12 year old girls to have rampant sex. :rolleyes:

Excellent. That's one of the key elements in Zombie Hitler's plan.

Congratulations, Texas.

Is this a public cervix announcement?

YAY! :D

Just in time...we need to talk about something....

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How dare any human try to eliminate the consequences that God had established for premarital sex? This is just politicians and doctors playing god and it shouldn't be allowed.

Somebody had to post it. We don't have enough insane fundies in here.

Is this a public cervix announcement?

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Merck is bankrolling efforts to pass state laws across the country mandating Gardasil for girls as young as 11 or 12. It doubled its lobbying budget in Texas and has funneled money through Women in Government, an advocacy group made up of female state legislators around the country.

Perry has ties to Merck and Women in Government. One of the drug company's three lobbyists in Texas is Mike Toomey, Perry's former chief of staff. His current chief of staff's mother-in-law, Texas Republican state Rep. Dianne White Delisi, is a state director for Women in Government.

The governor also received $6,000 from Merck's political action committee during his re-election campaign.

Well, that certainly is a reason for pause. But I didn't see a reasonable opposition, but something like that does make me inclined to question things a bit more. Which is not to say that it is automatically tainted-I'm all for preventing cancer.

But in the article the only opposition is just damned silly, so so far, way to go.

How dare any human try to eliminate the consequences that God had established for premarital sex? This is just politicians and doctors playing god and it shouldn't be allowed.

Somebody had to post it. We don't have enough insane fundies in here.

And now, another thing that must be posted:

I'M RICK PERRY, BITCH!

Also someone needs a picture of a kitten with the words "I'm in ur house...vacinating ur daughtar"

I'm too old to get the vaccine.:(

They told me I can't have it if I'm over 25. I guess I'm too old for rampant sex.

Good for the governer though. Something like 80% of people have HPV.

Well, that certainly is a reason for pause. But I didn't see a reasonable opposition, but something like that does make me inclined to question things a bit more. Which is not to say that it is automatically tainted-I'm all for preventing cancer.
You're right. But I'm less bothered by any presumed ties between Perry and Merck (I mean, $6000? That's not exactly a whopping amount of bribe money) than by the fact that apparently Merck is the sole producer of the vaccine.

So by advocating the right thing, making vaccination mandatory, you're basically advocating upping the profits of a pharma giant with a monopoly. :/

...the fact that apparently Merck is the sole producer of the vaccine.
Problem is that the vaccine has only just been invented last year, I think. And pharma companies invest billions into developing these things, and expect some sort of return.

If you made it accessible to other companies to sell, you'd see a pretty big fall in R&D spending, which isn't exactly ideal either.

So it's by no means perfect, but I'm not sure there is a better way. I suppose you just need to think of people getting the vaccine, rather than who gets money for it.

Problem is that the vaccine has only just been invented last year, I think. And pharma companies invest billions into developing these things, and expect some sort of return.

If you made it accessible to other companies to sell, you'd see a pretty big fall in R&D spending, which isn't exactly ideal either.

So it's by no means perfect, but I'm not sure there is a better way. I suppose you just need to think of people getting the vaccine, rather than who gets money for it.

I know. :/

You're right. But I'm less bothered by any presumed ties between Perry and Merck (I mean, $6000? That's not exactly a whopping amount of bribe money) than by the fact that apparently Merck is the sole producer of the vaccine.

So by advocating the right thing, making vaccination mandatory, you're basically advocating upping the profits of a pharma giant with a monopoly. :/

It's a catch-and pharma companies don't have the greatest reputation for being straightforward or upright. And we have this guy saying, "These guys, who I have ties to and give me money, say it's necessary and that's good enough for me!" I'd just like a second opinion. Right now that second opinion is just, "I want the threat of cancer to keep my daughter from becoming a slut," which doesn't work for me.

But I'd like someone who is not the manufacturer or someone who takes money from them to back all of it up. And have alternatives.

And yeah, having it be mandatory and yet only from one supplier, no good.

All of that sucks, because the overall effect (hopefully) being no cancer, it sucks to have all this other stuff around it.

AIM sucks and so does MSN, and no, my mom had nothign to do with it.

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Also someone needs a picture of a kitten with the words "I'm in ur house...vacinating ur daughtar"

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/whereyouthinkyougoing/kitten.jpg

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My screen name got deleted! :mad:

And I don't remember my password.... (aim)

:headbang:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/whereyouthinkyougoing/kitten.jpg

The kitty needs a needle.

And needs to be near a pre-teen girl. :)

Problem is that the vaccine has only just been invented last year, I think. And pharma companies invest billions into developing these things, and expect some sort of return.

If you made it accessible to other companies to sell, you'd see a pretty big fall in R&D spending, which isn't exactly ideal either.

So it's by no means perfect, but I'm not sure there is a better way. I suppose you just need to think of people getting the vaccine, rather than who gets money for it.

When the drug becomes manditory or it's dealing with something like this and not male pattern baldness etc, there are things that can be done.

Just off the top of my head, so these haven't been 'tested' but a maximum licensing that allows them to still make something off the sale of their invention while still allowing an affordable alternative to those who need it or a subsidized buy out of the patent when the drug is that important or mandated.

Either way, something has to be done.

The kitty needs a needle.

And needs to be near a pre-teen girl. :)

This is kinda going to a strange place...

This is kinda going to a strange place...

:p

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/whereyouthinkyougoing/kitten.jpg

Color is off, but that totally works.

This is kinda going to a strange place...

And the kitten needs to be having sex with a rat.

And the kitten needs to be having sex with a rat.

Of course. If we keep the cats from getting cancer, they'll have sex with rats! Frogs will rain from the sky! Dogs and cats, living together..... =)

My screen name got deleted! :mad:

And I don't remember my password.... (aim)

:headbang:

You're full of excuses...aren't you? Doesn't help your case...MAKE A NEW ONE! KittyOfBedlam2...

Of course. If we keep the cats from getting cancer, they'll have sex with rats! Frogs will rain from the sky! Dogs and cats, living together..... =)

OH NOEZ!!!!!!!!111

The kitty needs a needle.

And needs to be near a pre-teen girl. :)
The kitty is already done vaccinating, isn't that obvious? Sheesh. :rolleyes: :p

Finally, someone has stepped onto the metaphorical plate and demanded that all girls get the vaccine that prevents the number one cause of cervical cancer. I vaccine that many conservatives and such say will increase their having sex. There was some Bill Maher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maher) quote, but I forget it now and can't find it. The governor completely skipped the legislative body of their state and issued the order.

Not only is this governor a Republican...

He is Governor James Richard "Rick" Perry of Texas. :eek:

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_he_me/cervical_cancer)



It's that time again: POLL TIME!

Well, this is good news. Bush is an exception.

The kitty is already done vaccinating, isn't that obvious? Sheesh. :rolleyes: :p

Yeah, and after all that vaccinating, it is *clearly* naptime.

This is a serious infringement upon civil liberties; the disease is not contagious and thus does not pose a threat to others. If someone does not wish to be vaccinated, such a procedure should not be made mandatory. The government has no right to tell people what to do with their own health decisions.

This is a serious infringement upon civil liberties; the disease is not contagious and thus does not pose a threat to others. If someone does not wish to be vaccinated, such a procedure should not be made mandatory. The government has no right to tell people what to do with their own health decisions.

HPV is contagious. Very contagious. Condoms may not even protect against it. Most women and nearly all men don't manifest visible symptoms of the HPV type that causes cervial cancer.

Is this a public cervix announcement?

:D

You win the thread.

It's a good idea. Always better to be safe than sorry. It's really no different than any other mandatory vaccine, and anything as simple as this that saves lives and prevents disease is a good thing.

than by the fact that apparently Merck is the sole producer of the vaccine.

Not for long. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cervarix)

Not for long. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cervarix)

Good. If necessary, they also need to force insurers to expand the amount of cost they will cover so that these vaccines are affordable for doctors and patients alike.

Good. If necessary, they also need to force insurers to expand the amount of cost they will cover so that these vaccines are affordable for doctors and patients alike.

The real question about affordability is not in the US and Western Europe, but in developing countries, where the vast majority of the deaths occur and where testing and treatment is much more difficult. It's there that the vaccines will be of most use.

The real question about affordability is not in the US and Western Europe, but in developing countries, where the vast majority of the deaths occur and where testing and treatment is much more difficult. It's there that the vaccines will be of most use.

That's true, especially with high birth rates and widespread unprotected sex that considerably increase the risk of transmitting this disease and the corresponding risk of cervical cancer. We should definitely devote money to covering as much of the cost of these drugs as possible as well as expanding the ability of companies to manufacture generic versions that can be sold for a lower cost.

There's absolutely no reason why we cannot provide these drugs to everyone; if there is anything that should not, under any circumstances, be based upon ability to pay, it's access to life-saving medical care.

HPV is contagious. Very contagious. Condoms may not even protect against it. Most women and nearly all men don't manifest visible symptoms of the HPV type that causes cervial cancer.

What I meant is that you cannot contract the disease from a sneeze or a similar action. If you don't engage in certain actions, you won't be infected with it.

What I meant is that you cannot contract the disease from a sneeze or a similar action. If you don't engage in certain actions, you won't be infected with it.

But if you do, you can be. Even people who remain abstinent until marriage can get it if their partner has it.

If you don't engage in certain actions, you won't be infected with it.

It's true that if you never, ever, have sex with anyone, you have virtually no risk of cervical cancer.

Now - how many people do you think are going to follow that advice?

It's true that if you never, ever, have sex with anyone, you have virtually no risk of cervical cancer.

Now - how many people do you think are going to follow that advice?

For the sake of humanity, I should hope that not many do. However, if the vaccine is provided free of charge, I should also hope that many would jump at the opportunity. Ideally, one would be able to verify whether someone has been vaccinated prior to having sex. However, the government should certainly not interfere with the private lives of its citizens, even if the result will be the loss of the lives of some ignorant people. Otherwise, it could also dictate that condoms must be used if the aim of sex is not impregnation using the same moral argument. It's a slippery slope that should not be gone down.

However, the government should certainly not interfere with the private lives of its citizens, even if the result will be the loss of the lives of some ignorant people.

Sorry, no; saving lives trumps any reasonable objection to receiving this vaccine that I can think of.

For the sake of humanity, I should hope that not many do. However, if the vaccine is provided free of charge, I should also hope that many would jump at the opportunity. Ideally, one would be able to verify whether someone has been vaccinated prior to having sex. However, the government should certainly not interfere with the private lives of its citizens, even if the result will be the loss of the lives of some ignorant people.

It would result in the loss of innocent lives. That is not acceptable under any circumstances. Cancer is a burden on our society that destroys lives each year, and we should always work to minimize its toll wherever possible

For the sake of humanity, I should hope that not many do. However, if the vaccine is provided free of charge, I should also hope that many would jump at the opportunity. Ideally, one would be able to verify whether someone has been vaccinated prior to having sex. However, the government should certainly not interfere with the private lives of its citizens, even if the result will be the loss of the lives of some ignorant people. Otherwise, it could also dictate that condoms must be used if the aim of sex is not impregnation using the same moral argument. It's a slippery slope that should not be gone down.

The whole purpose of government is to do things individuals cannot and one of those things is preventing unnecessary death.

I wish Kinky had been elected. :(

I met him in a coffee shop, it was pretty cool.

I wish Kinky had been elected. :(

I met him in a coffee shop, it was pretty cool.

Yeah, this damn woman popped out of nowhere and sucked up 20% of the vote. She even BEAT Kinky!

Having a vaccine for HPV be mandatory (much like strains of hepititis) should be a no-brainer, but some wingnuts have to be morons. People [sighs].

Who voted "Mays Gilliam is for cancer"?

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Well, that certainly is a reason for pause. But I didn't see a reasonable opposition, but something like that does make me inclined to question things a bit more. Which is not to say that it is automatically tainted-I'm all for preventing cancer.

But in the article the only opposition is just damned silly, so so far, way to go.

Yeah, this is one of those situations where I'm not all that worried whether or not Perry's motives were pure--the end result is the important thing, and I'm glad he did it.

That's the second time today I've been forced to talk nice about a Republican governor. This has got to stop. :D

0Cervical cancer isn't contagious, and it isn't an STD, so how would that encourage them to have sex?

Also this is stupid. If some idiot wants to die, let them.

But in this case It's ChristiaNazis who want their daughters to die.

...ChristiaNazis, I need to write that down.

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But in this case It's ChristiaNazis who want their daughters to die.

...ChristiaNazis, I need to write that down.

I like FundieCrits myself. That's a Snafturi original BTW.

...Actually I probably heard it somewhere else and have since forgotten I've heard it. Which is why I think it's original.

Either that, or it's not half as clever as I think it is.

Cervical cancer isn't contagious, and it isn't an STD, so how would that encourage them to have sex?

Also this is stupid. If some idiot wants to die, let them.

Actually, the human paploma virus is (usually) sexually transmitted. But that's like saying, "Well, we have vaccine for AIDs, but letting people use it would mean that everyone would be having rampant sex in the streets..."

It can, however, also be transmitted through blood donations, transfusions, etc.

HPV is an STD. It is the number one cause of cervical cancer, so if there is an HPV vaccine, it is an STD vaccine, so that will evidently encourage 11 and 12 year old girls to have rampant sex. :rolleyes:

Yes, because AIDs, pregnancy, and syphillis don't scare people in the slightest...

Actually, the human paploma virus is (usually) sexually transmitted. But that's like saying, "Well, we have vaccine for AIDs, but letting people use it would mean that everyone would be having rampant sex in the streets..."

It can, however, also be transmitted through blood donations, transfusions, etc.

Isn't it funny how someone needs this explained to them on every single page?

Yes, because AIDs, pregnancy, and syphillis don't scare people in the slightest...

Yes, but those are only things god punishes gheys with.

Good children that abstain until marriage have nothing to fear.

I think it needs to be made known that the vaccine will not protect against all forms of HPV and will not rule out the possibility of cervical cancer.

My state did something... good?
I'm at a loss.

HPV is a disease kids can and do give each other in school, disgusting though it sounds. I mean, maybe my highschool was sluttier than most, but I know of risque incidents that happened on the back fire escape. Therefore, the school has the responsibility to protect its students, and a good way to do that would be by making them get vaccinated.

I get the second of my series at the end of this month. I might celebrate by going out and having rampant sex. Because before when I was considering sleeping around, I didn't, for fear of contracting cervical cancer in a good twenty years :rolleyes: In all seriousness the only STDs I've ever worried about before having sex were HIV/AIDS and chlymidia or however the hell its spelled. I didnt know what HPV was till i went to the gyno's office.

I think it needs to be made known that the vaccine will not protect against all forms of HPV and will not rule out the possibility of cervical cancer.

Not all HPV causes cervial cancer. And this one targets the most common culprits. It's like saying the Hep A and B vaccines are no good because they don't protect against Hep C. It's better to have some protection than no protection.

Not all HPV causes cervial cancer. And this one targets the most common culprits. It's like saying the Hep A and B vaccines are no good because they don't protect against Hep C. It's better to have some protection than no protection.

I'm not saying people shouldn't get the vaccine, but people still need to know certain facts about the injection before getting it.

I don't think this is a good idea, but only because it forces people to get it. I have absolutely no problem if people voluntarily get vaccinated.

I don't think this is a good idea, but only because it forces people to get it. I have absolutely no problem if people voluntarily get vaccinated.

Sometimes, you have to force people to do something, at least to prevent them from causing other people harm. Like preventing drunk driving. Or smallpox vaccines (before medical science declared it dead).

People who want to prevent their children from this vaccine on the basis of it's a "go ahead for sex" are more interested in punishment than the wellbeing of their charges. To put it simply, they're willing to kill of their children for non-crimes and with their ignorance.

In other words, they shouldn't be parents to begin with.

You're worse at making polls than I am. :eek:

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But in this case It's ChristiaNazis who want their daughters to die.

...ChristiaNazis, I need to write that down.

I prefer TheoCons myself. ;)

I just got an email from someone I know complaining that our state has a bill about to be voted on that would require girls entering the 6th grade to receive the HPV vaccine, they wanted me to write my reps........so I did.

Only my letter didn't have the tone that they wanted it to have, you know the "this isn't fair, you are being mean to us" tone, but more the "please please please please vote for this!" tone.

I think it's best I don't tell them........last time I did something like this I got a lot of crap for a few weeks.

I just got an email from someone I know complaining that our state has a bill about to be voted on that would require girls entering the 6th grade to receive the HPV vaccine, they wanted me to write my reps........so I did.

Only my letter didn't have the tone that they wanted it to have, you know the "this isn't fair, you are being mean to us" tone, but more the "please please please please vote for this!" tone.

I think it's best I don't tell them........last time I did something like this I got a lot of crap for a few weeks.

Give them the crap--you're on the side of angels on this.

Give them the crap--you're on the side of angels on this.

Absolutely.

There is absolutely no justification, on moral, theological, ethical, logical, or any other grounds ever conceived in the history of mankind that provide a reason for opposing this kind of legislation.