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In another thread, The Potato Factory said that the world sucks and suggested this was because the allies won WW2. [Edit: He says he meant WW1.]

The USA is our current overlord. Not real wonderful but I think it could be worse.

So, of the possible alternatives from the last 100 years or so, do you think any other overlord would have been preferable?

Poll coming.

Ireland. The world would be a better place under the hegemon of the ROI.

The European Union would be preferable. I hope they extend to North America.

All the options are evil, so in the choice between cholera and plague I shall go with haemorrhagic dysentery and reluctantly choose the EU.

*spits and bleeds a little more from the rectum*

Might as well go with the ultimate beurocracy...

The DMV

IMO, the world sucks because one nation is powerful enough to do what it wants. Any of the poll choices would be even worse than the US.

In another thread, The Potato Factory said that the world sucks and suggested this was because the allies won WW2.

I meant WWI.

And all those choices suck. I'd prefer a world led by the German Empire, as it seemed to be heading in the late 19th Century.

The Australian Cricket Team :confused:
how would our team be a Alternative to the USA

We have to assess the world as a whole, and what the Us represents, not what it is. We have to look for a nation that is susceptible to corruption, but does not corrupt as easily. We must look for a nation with people who are proud of their country without the dabble of nationalism. We must look for a country who aren't filled with the ignorant, and the learned are shunned.

Therefore, I think Canada might be a nice choice. It would not be able to take by force, but alternatively it could prove to be a more peaceful leader than its southern neighbor.

And all those choices suck. I'd prefer a world led by the German Empire, as it seemed to be heading in the late 19th Century.

good for you :rolleyes:

The Australian Cricket Team :confused:
how would our team be a Alternative to the USA

C'mon. The tradition with NSG polls is to have at least one "deep third man" choice.

C'mon. The tradition with NSG polls is to have at least one "deep third man" choice.

:eek: A lurker, kill it!

.....I think most people just resent USA now because America is the most powerful nation.

Now what makes you think you'll feel differently if we replace the words USA with EU?

And all those choices suck. I'd prefer a world led by the German Empire, as it seemed to be heading in the late 19th Century.

God, no. Social injustice, no women's rights, extreme militarism, rigid structures... I'd personally hate that.

Considering the EU is really the only democracy, except for maybe the British and French empires who tend to piss off the natives just a little, there's not much choice IMO.

C'mon. The tradition with NSG polls is to have at least one "deep third man" choice.

true ,just cant work out how they would run the world

God, no. Social injustice, no women's rights, extreme militarism, rigid structures... I'd personally hate that.

They'd have liberal'd up eventually.

NS Moderators of course... why? Because war is worse than flaming and would get you forumban so fast you couldn't even blitzkrieg Luxenburg.

.....I think most people just resent USA now because America is the most powerful nation.

Now what makes you think you'll feel differently if we replace the words USA with EU?

This isn't meant to be a bash USA thread. Part of my purpose is to suggest that the possible alternatives from the last 100 years or so might have been worse.

God, no. Social injustice, no women's rights, extreme militarism, rigid structures... I'd personally hate that.

he would love it

The NS Moderators have a good grip on things while staying fair. The only non-suicidal option on the poll real- *banned*

They'd have liberal'd up eventually.

Sure, they were definitely heading there, weren't they? :rolleyes:

Shouldn't that option be "Chinese capitalism"? The Chinese government doesn't even pretend to be communist any more.

I saw an interesting interview once in which a government spokesman explained the official Party line. Namely, that China was not yet ready for socialism (let alone communism). It had embarked into socialism too soon and too quickly. Therefore, China was switching to capitalism in order to lay the groundworks to prepare for socialism in an indeterminate date in the future, which would (very far into a hypothetical future) lead to communism. For now, capitalism full steam ahead, as the best path towards socialism!

It made my head hurt...

true ,just cant work out how they would run the world

By giving everyone a bloody fair go, mate! :D

true ,just cant work out how they would run the world

A few off-cutters and head-high bouncers should straighten people out. Then follow that with slashes past point and on-drives for six and everyone will know who the masters are. Ricky Ponting would be an excellent emperor.

Rule Brittannia, I guess.

What happened to the Myrth option?

Sure, they were definitely heading there, weren't they? :rolleyes:

Sure, why not?

Shouldn't that option be "Chinese capitalism"?

An Australian academic and former diplomat was asked his opinion on whether China or India would end up more powerful economically.

His response was China because, "Unlike China, large parts of India still believe in communism."

By giving everyone a bloody fair go, mate! :D
they would
A few off-cutters and head-high bouncers should straighten people out. Then follow that with slashes past point and on-drives for six and everyone will now who the masters are. Ricky Ponting would be an excellent emperor.

now that would be fun to see and i would help by carrying bags an at same time getting myself some numbers

What happened to the Myrth option?

My apologies. The Australian Cricket Team is sort of my Myrth option.

My apologies. The Australian Cricket Team is sort of my Myrth option.

that would be true as most don't know what the sport is

Sure, why not?

Cause it's a bit like assuming that the Vatican will soon become communist.


The situation I stated was not only a facts, but those facts were in fact ideals of the then society. Nothing to strife for in my eyes.

Cause it's a bit like assuming that the Vatican will soon become communist.


The situation I stated was not only a facts, but those facts were in fact ideals of the then society. Nothing to strife for in my eyes.

Oh sure. Yes, Imperial Germany was like the KKK. Get off. They would have liberalised just like the rest of the world.

Oh sure. Yes, Imperial Germany was like the KKK. Get off. They would have liberalised just like the rest of the world.

Once Wilhelm II was gone Imperial Germany could have done a decent enough job. Willy, though, was probably acquired at the "Fruit and Nut Factory".

The hell with Europe. NS Moderators would be the least worst option among a list of nothing but bad options IMO. How about, every region elects its own policeman and stays out of other regions' internal affairs?

In my capacities as an NBIP member, I must vote for the resurrection of the empah!

Beyond that, I must confess Imperial Germany, Colonial France and the Australian Cricket Team could do an admirable enough job ruling the world.

I think the entire world should be ruled by Alexander the Great. Since he's been dead for over two thousand years, he probably won't become too corrupt or tyrannical.

In fact, any dead guy is preferable to any of the given options. Necrocracy, government by the dead, is the only way to go.

I think the entire world should be ruled by Alexander the Great. Since he's been dead for over two thousand years, he probably won't become too corrupt or tyrannical.

In fact, any dead guy is preferable to any of the given options. Necrocracy, government by the dead, is the only way to go.
I think I covered that when I nominated the DMV...:p

The European Union would be preferable. I hope they extend to North America.

Seconded. Canada, Alaska and possibily NY and West Coast. But not Texas, we already got a fair share of cowboys in Maremma (southern Tuscany).;)

Seconded. Canada, Alaska and possibily NY and West Coast. But not Texas, we already got a fair share of cowboys in Maremma (southern Tuscany).;)

Funny you should mention texas. Roger Waters played in Melbourne last night. He played a new song I hadn't heard before, Leaving Beirut, which has this startling couplet:

Oh George! Oh George!
That Texas education must have fucked you up when you were very small
:eek:

Once Wilhelm II was gone Imperial Germany could have done a decent enough job. Willy, though, was probably acquired at the "Fruit and Nut Factory".

People overestimate how much power the Kaisers had. It was a CONSTITUTIONAL monarchy, people!

Considering the EU is really the only democracy, except for maybe the British and French empires who tend to piss off the natives just a little, there's not much choice IMO.



Excuse me but the US is a democracy, and a better bet then the EU. I have been to numerous countries in Europe, few come close to the US.

Excuse me but the US is a democracy, and a better bet then the EU. I have been to numerous countries in Europe, few come close to the US.

I think Hamilay meant the only democracy amongst the choices provided.

I would have to go with the British Empire, followed by the Australian Cricket team. While I like the people of France their Leaders have never been able to run their country let alone try to run the world.

I vote British empire because we deserve it dammit!

I have been to numerous countries in Europe, few come close to the US.

lol I’d like to see some proof to this or are you just out to troll Europeans?

Excuse me but the US is a democracy, and a better bet then the EU. I have been to numerous countries in Europe, few come close to the US.

In what context?

Granted, we don't represent globalised imperialism in the modern era, however, surely you don't suggest that being the most ignorant and belligerent state on the planet is good?

In another thread, The Potato Factory said that the world sucks and suggested this was because the allies won WW2. [Edit: He says he meant WW1.]

The USA is our current overlord. Not real wonderful but I think it could be worse.

So, of the possible alternatives from the last 100 years or so, do you think any other overlord would have been preferable?

Poll coming.

An expanded EU for me in its current form, i.e unable to do much because the member countries squabble too much so not leaving enough time to bully anyone else (or not able to agree who to bully).


If I didn't care much about people in other nations then the British Empire is my choice (a bias on my part).

Once Wilhelm II was gone Imperial Germany could have done a decent enough job. Willy, though, was probably acquired at the "Fruit and Nut Factory".



I think you must have forgotten about a german guy named Hitler.

Oh sure. Yes, Imperial Germany was like the KKK. Get off. They would have liberalised just like the rest of the world.

They had no interest to do so, did they? It took them until the 70s to become something the resembles a liberal and democratic nation.

I vote British empire because we deserve it dammit!





I'm glad to see that a proper superpower is finally getting votes.


I, for one, can live with tea, gin, funny hats and battleships!

Excuse me but the US is a democracy, and a better bet then the EU. I have been to numerous countries in Europe, few come close to the US.

The USA is a republic, not a democracy.
And I take what you say about the EU as a compliment, shall I? :D

I would have to go with the British Empire, followed by the Australian Cricket team. While I like the people of France their Leaders have never been able to run their country let alone try to run the world.

No British Empire

I think you must have forgotten about a german guy named Hitler.

Hitler was a direct result of the German loss of the First World War. If Germany had not lost that war, Hitler's rise would have been much more difficult than it was, I'd say pretty damn close to impossible.

I'm glad to see that a proper superpower is finally getting votes.


I, for one, can live with tea, gin, funny hats and battleships!

Battleships that blow up at the slightest pretext.:p

Battleships that blow up at the slightest pretext.:p

Naturally.

Boiling water for tea left unattended?

Boom!

I think you must have forgotten about a german guy named Hitler.

How is Hitler, who was Austrian in any case, relevant to a discussion of Imperial Germany?

In what context?

Granted, we don't represent globalised imperialism in the modern era, however, surely you don't suggest that being the most ignorant and belligerent state on the planet is good?

Granted while his comment was ignorant and wrong, yours is just as ignorant and wrong as his was.

The European Union would be preferable. I hope they extend to North America.
Hell no. Let them deal with their own shit. I don't want the U.S. to be any part of it or let them have any say in it.
All the options are evil, so in the choice between cholera and plague I shall go with haemorrhagic dysentery and reluctantly choose the EU.

*spits and bleeds a little more from the rectum*
Are you sure that's because of the poll? *innocent look*
And all those choices suck. I'd prefer a world led by the German Empire, as it seemed to be heading in the late 19th Century.
You're nuts and you know it. I sure as hell will not give up on the FRG in exchange for the GE!
Oh sure. Yes, Imperial Germany was like the KKK. Get off. They would have liberalised just like the rest of the world.
A world led by the politics and ethics of the German Empire would be anything but liberal. I'm sure the RotW would really love and enjoy German "liberalism". :rolleyes:
Go back and read some real history books, and stop sprouting such nonsense all the time!

Excuse me but the US is a democracy, and a better bet then the EU. I have been to numerous countries in Europe, few come close to the US.
I'm really grateful they don't. It's bad enough the "demockracy" U.S. is the way it is.

The USA is a republic, not a democracy.
And I take what you say about the EU as a compliment, shall I? :D


Take it however you like, however the US is a Democracy, why do you think Bush is trying to force everyone else to become a Democracy. Believe me when I say that I am an American and I have no wish to be " Over Lord " of anybody. I just won't allow anyone to try to become overlord to me, and it sounds like there are some here who wants that to happen.

Naturally.

Boiling water for tea left unattended?

Boom!


Let me think.

Invincible
Indefatigable
Queen Mary
Vanguard
Hood
Barham

I think you must have forgotten about an Austrian guy named Hitler.

Fixed and I think we have more or less guessed that your not going to add anything interesting to this

I, for one, can live with tea, gin, funny hats and battleships!

Don’t forget Chlamydia!

Take it however you like, however the US is a Democracy, why do you think Bush is trying to force everyone else to become a Democracy. Believe me when I say that I am an American and I have no wish to be " Over Lord " of anybody. I just won't allow anyone to try to become overlord to me, and it sounds like there are some here who wants that to happen.

I fear not. I think the general consensus could be summarised as "Fuck off and leave the world alone".

In any case, Bush is hardly propounding democracy as much as the "American" values he percieves as concomitant to democracy.

No British Empire

You have to choose a replacement nation here that is the poll so yes British Empire.

Let me think.

Invincible
Indefatigable
Queen Mary
Vanguard
Hood
Barham

By rights, the Hood was a Battlecruiser. If we're going to be subjects of the only Empire worth a damn, we might as well get our capital ships in order.

Take it however you like, however the US is a Democracy, why do you think Bush is trying to force everyone else to become a Democracy. Believe me when I say that I am an American and I have no wish to be " Over Lord " of anybody. I just won't allow anyone to try to become overlord to me, and it sounds like there are some here who wants that to happen.

Ok, you're either 13 or you're a cute little troll.
The USA is not a democracy by a far cry, go look up the definition of the word.

And in case it escaped your attention, this thread is about the hypothetical scenario of the US no longer dominating the globe and asking people who they would want to see as the new main influence. It's called a "what if", not a "let's go and do it".

Hitler was a direct result of the German loss of the First World War. If Germany had not lost that war, Hitler's rise would have been much more difficult than it was, I'd say pretty damn close to impossible.


I am of German decent myself, my mothers maiden name is Shultz. Unforunately they did lose that war and Hitler did come to power. Further if he had not been defeated I would hate to think of how the world would be now under the rule of the Nazi's.

Take it however you like, however the US is a Democracy,

your concept of democracy puzzles me American is a democratic republic there is a key difference which I will leave for you to figure out

why do you think Bush is trying to force everyone else to become a Democracy .

lol no he says democracy because its become a buzzword like terrorism

Believe me when I say that I am an American and I have no wish to be " Over Lord " of anybody. I just won't allow anyone to try to become overlord to me, and it sounds like there are some here who wants that to happen.

:rolleyes:

Take it however you like, however the US is a Democracy, why do you think Bush is trying to force everyone else to become a Democracy. Believe me when I say that I am an American and I have no wish to be " Over Lord " of anybody. I just won't allow anyone to try to become overlord to me, and it sounds like there are some here who wants that to happen.

The US is a Republic, recite the Pledge of Allegiance to yourself it shoudl enlighten you. The form of politics is Democracy, but the country is a Republic! This pollis just a thread to say "hey what if" not something to be used for grief you know kind of like an alternate reality type Sci-Fi book. SO lighten up and relax and have some fun.

I fear not. I think the general consensus could be summarised as "Fuck off and leave the world alone".

In any case, Bush is hardly propounding democracy as much as the "American" values he percieves as concomitant to democracy.

Please ignore his Bush comment and let us not debase this thread with a debate on GW.

I am of German decent myself, my mothers maiden name is Shultz. Unforunately they did lose that war and Hitler did come to power. Further if he had not been defeated I would hate to think of how the world would be now under the rule of the Nazi's.

Oh right. Nazism would have spread over the whole world?

I am of German decent myself, my mothers maiden name is Shultz. Unforunately they did lose that war and Hitler did come to power. Further if he had not been defeated I would hate to think of how the world would be now under the rule of the Nazi's.

In case you hadn't noticed, this thread is a counter-factual question, not a literalist question.

Please ignore his Bush comment and let us not debase this thread with a debate on GW.

Suits me.

Ok, you're either 13 or you're a cute little troll.
The USA is not a democracy by a far cry, go look up the definition of the word.

And in case it escaped your attention, this thread is about the hypothetical scenario of the US no longer dominating the globe and asking people who they would want to see as the new main influence. It's called a "what if", not a "let's go and do it".

I am 48 yrs old and I am NOT a troll! I am answering posts in this thread with my opinions so don't start with me! :headbang:

Hitler was a direct result of the German loss of the First World War. If Germany had not lost that war, Hitler's rise would have been much more difficult than it was, I'd say pretty damn close to impossible.

Germany would still have been stifflingly conservative, regulated and restrictive. The NSDAP and Hitler just took things one step further, much to the initial delight of the general public.

The US is a Republic, recite the Pledge of Allegiance to yourself it shoudl enlighten you. The form of politics is Democracy, but the country is a Republic! This pollis just a thread to say "hey what if" not something to be used for grief you know kind of like an alternate reality type Sci-Fi book. SO lighten up and relax and have some fun.


Lets split some more hairs while we are at it. :rolleyes:

I am 48 yrs old and I am NOT a troll! I am answering posts in this thread with my opinions so don't start with me! :headbang:

SO pay attention to what your doing if your grown up and notice this is a hypothetical thread, and just enjoy a little polite discussion.

Lets split some more hairs while we are at it. :rolleyes:

You made an incorrect blanket statement and got corrected. Live with it.

How about a United Federation, like a United Nations with teeth. Standard laws across the board. The tiniest countries getting as much clout as the large ones, maybe a united world democracy in the Jeffersonian model.

I am 48 yrs old and I am NOT a troll! I am answering posts in this thread with my opinions so don't start with me! :headbang:

I think she meant mental age my love.....:)

By rights, the Hood was a Battlecruiser. If we're going to be subjects of the only Empire worth a damn, we might as well get our capital ships in order.

Invicible, Indefatigable and Queen Mary were battlecruisers. The Hood, by the standards of her time (she was laid down in 1916 - on the day Jutland was fought) was more of a fast battleship. Her turret armour greatly exceeded the newest British battleship classes (Queen Elizabeth and Revenge), her deck armour was equivalent and her belt armour was marginally thinner, albeit shallower.

Because of her speed, the Hood was attached to the battlecruiser squadrons and came to be called a battlecruiser.

Following Jutland and postwar testing it became clear that the deck armour on all British battleships and battlecruisers was insufficient so (excepting the new Nelson class) between the wars, Britain began to upgrade them. The Hood and the Revenge class never received the upgrade. Churchill referred to them as "coffin ships".

The fast battleship, as pioneered by the Hood, was the preferred type built by all nations except Japan when the Washington Treaty finally fell over. (Even the Yamato could do 26 or 27 knots).

What all this has to do with my original poll is beyond me. My apologies.

Lets split some more hairs while we are at it. :rolleyes:

Yes we shall if you want to insit on the wrong thing.

How about a United Federation, like a United Nations with teeth. Standard laws across the board. The tiniest countries getting as much clout as the large ones, maybe a united world democracy in the Jeffersonian model.

Why should St.Kitts and Nevis have any influence?

The British empire would be the best form of government, provided other European colonial powers existed as a foil.

How about a United Federation, like a United Nations with teeth. Standard laws across the board. The tiniest countries getting as much clout as the large ones, maybe a united world democracy in the Jeffersonian model.

That is why the UN is so messed up.....while it is a nice thought equality of nations can never be, the least getting as much as the biggest while providing the least, it will always rankle people and cause grief.

How about a United Federation, like a United Nations with teeth. Standard laws across the board. The tiniest countries getting as much clout as the large ones, maybe a united world democracy in the Jeffersonian model.

I don't know much about the Jeffersonian model, I admit, but it sounds like a good option all in all :)

I fear not. I think the general consensus could be summarised as "Fuck off and leave the world alone".

In any case, Bush is hardly propounding democracy as much as the "American" values he percieves as concomitant to democracy.


Look I don't agree with Bush's version of foreign policy. I voted against him in both elections. Beyond that I believe that an attack on American soil is what started this whole thing to begin with. So maybe you should consider talking to the terrorist that are now sitting back and laughing at all the rest of us.

Look I don't agree with Bush's version of foreign policy. I voted against him in both elections. Beyond that I believe that an attack on American soil is what started this whole thing to begin with. So maybe you should consider talking to the terrorist that are now sitting back and laughing at all the rest of us.

I retain doubts that Bush would have happily remained at peace had 9/11 not happened.

In any case, who riled the Islamic fundamentalists in any case? Would that be the USA?

Yes we shall if you want to insit on the wrong thing.


I'm not wrong, the US has been a Democractic Society for as long as I remember. We have lived in Freedom and I will die before I allow that to be changed. Yes we have made some changes because of 911, but what other choice is there. Allow foreign terrorist free run of our country? I don't think so!

I retain doubts that Bush would have happily remained at peace had 9/11 not happened.

In any case, who riled the Islamic fundamentalists in any case? Would that be the USA?

Who: US, UK and France.
When: 1918.
Where: The Middle East
What: Dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

That's where the Islamic Fundamentalists got their riling, although other rilings include the Arab Nationalists, the Gulf War and the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, but these play a fare less important role in the minds of most Islamists.

Anyways, had the September 11th attacks not occurred, then Bush probably would have lost in 2004, without having drummed up enough domestic support to go to war in Iraq in the first place.

How about a United Federation, like a United Nations with teeth. Standard laws across the board. The tiniest countries getting as much clout as the large ones, maybe a united world democracy in the Jeffersonian model.

In the Australian senate, all states are allotted 12 senators. Tasmania gets 12. So does Victoria with 10 times the population and New South Wales with 14 times. The senate can block any legislation passed by the House of Reps, including budgets. This gives Tasmania power way beyond what it's population warrants. It is one of the most outstanding gerrymanders in the world.

You made an incorrect blanket statement and got corrected. Live with it.

I have not made an incorrect statement .... you live with that

I'm not wrong, the US has been a Democractic Society for as long as I remember. We have lived in Freedom and I will die before I allow that to be changed. Yes we have made some changes because of 911, but what other choice is there. Allow foreign terrorist free run of our country? I don't think so!

But the point that has been made and you refuse to admit is while our "society " is democratic our "Nation" is a Republic. And while 9/11 happened and as an american I did not want it to happen and have served and will be serving overseas again.And this thread is not the place to bring any of that up this is an "alternate reality" thread. Not a "lets make it happen" thread.

SO pay attention to what your doing if your grown up and notice this is a hypothetical thread, and just enjoy a little polite discussion.


Being called a child or a troll is not polite discussion. So you pay attention and grow up.

Who: US, UK and France.
When: 1918.
Where: The Middle East
What: Dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

That's where the Islamic Fundamentalists got their riling, although other rilings include the Arab Nationalists, the Gulf War and the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, but these play a fare less important role in the minds of most Islamists.

Anyways, had the September 11th attacks not occurred, then Bush probably would have lost in 2004, without having drummed up enough domestic support to go to war in Iraq in the first place.

There may be a kernal of truth in that, however, reports early in 2003 suggested that Iraqis had an enduring affection for Britain for 'liberating' it in 1922. Indeed, the partition of the Ottoman empire is by no means crucial to explaining the current middle east. Colonial abuses were rare, whereas the rancour caused by the creation, and support, of Israel, resonates today.

I think she meant mental age my love.....:)



You know what you can do with your smart remarks Chris

I retain doubts that Bush would have happily remained at peace had 9/11 not happened.

In any case, who riled the Islamic fundamentalists in any case? Would that be the USA?

The fundamentalists were riled by the Germans in early and mid 1900's who were hoping to use them against the British Empire. They have since stayed riled against anyone who does not agree with them or who will not let them arbitrarily destroy a nation that prior to German Intervention was accepted and lived alongside the arabs for 700 years. maybe not as a nation after the romans destroyed them but the jews and arabs lived side by side in peace.

I have not made an incorrect statement .... you live with that

The United States is the longest-surviving extant constitutional republic, with the oldest wholly written constitution in the world. Its government relies on representative democracy through a congressional system under a set of powers specified by its Constitution. However, it is "not a simple representative democracy, but a constitutional republic in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usa#Political_system

I think it's sad that you live in that country for over 40 years and are not even aware of the political system....

I retain doubts that Bush would have happily remained at peace had 9/11 not happened.

My belief is that if the World Trade Centre hadn't been destroyed, the USA would have entered into a major cold war with China. Prior to 11 September 2001 Bush was ramping up the anti-China rhetoric, especially once the US fighter was downed in China.

I think China must be thanking their lucky stars that bin Laden intervened.

How about a United Federation, like a United Nations with teeth. Standard laws across the board. The tiniest countries getting as much clout as the large ones, maybe a united world democracy in the Jeffersonian model.

Talk about a nightmare!

My belief is that if the World Trade Centre hadn't been destroyed, the USA would have entered into a major cold war with China. Prior to 11 September 2001 Bush was ramping up the anti-China rhetoric, especially once the US fighter was downed in China.

I think China must be thanking their lucky stars that bin Laden intervened.

yet another hmmmmmm "what might have been"?:eek:

But the point that has been made and you refuse to admit is while our "society " is democratic our "Nation" is a Republic. And while 9/11 happened and as an american I did not want it to happen and have served and will be serving overseas again.And this thread is not the place to bring any of that up this is an "alternate reality" thread. Not a "lets make it happen" thread.

I don't think he'll get the details of that subtle difference ;)

You know what you can do with your smart remarks Chris

Laugh presumably;)

I don't think he'll get the details of that subtle difference ;)

This is bad the world is ending. Usually we disagree... look for fissures to open and swallow up all of mankind.:p

Allow foreign terrorist free run of our country? I don't think so!

zomg terrorists after our freedom *jumps through hoops*

Believe it or not terrorists are out to cause terror they have succeeded and your now destroying your own freedoms (which doesn’t work in the slightest)

My belief is that if the World Trade Centre hadn't been destroyed, the USA would have entered into a major cold war with China. Prior to 11 September 2001 Bush was ramping up the anti-China rhetoric, especially once the US fighter was downed in China.

I think China must be thanking their lucky stars that bin Laden intervened.

Thats certainly interesting. I haven't heard that suggested before, and, what would encourage such a development? If China sought to confront the USA, there would be no better time than now.

reports early in 2003 suggested that Iraqis had an enduring affection for Britain for 'liberating' it in 1922.

Odd considered Churchill gassed Iraq in 1942.

Odd considered Churchill gassed Iraq in 1942.

Equally, Stalin invaded Iran in 1946 and appropriated vast amounts of Oil. However, the Iranians have no lingering resentment towards Russia, just as, prior to 2003, few Iraqis held Britain in anything other than high regard.

My belief is that if the World Trade Centre hadn't been destroyed, the USA would have entered into a major cold war with China. Prior to 11 September 2001 Bush was ramping up the anti-China rhetoric, especially once the US fighter was downed in China.

I think China must be thanking their lucky stars that bin Laden intervened.

I agree to some extend. Before 2001, I had the clear feeling that the USA was on the lookout for a new enemy. The decline of Russia's influence had happened so fast that USAmerican politics seemed to have been left without a major focal point. They had defined themselves for decades as the opposite of Russia and therefore the good guys. Now that was no longer possible. And to be the good guys, you need to have bad guys, otherwise you don't impress anybody.

I think if you took any speech of Bush these days and replaced "terrorism" with "communism", you'd end up with a speech given decades ago by Nixon.

I retain doubts that Bush would have happily remained at peace had 9/11 not happened.

In any case, who riled the Islamic fundamentalists in any case? Would that be the USA?


The process of Bush becoming President was questionable at best. In my opinion he never should have been President. Further I saw a number of things in his policies that reminded me of early policies of Hitler. Finally it doesn't take much to rile Islamic fundamentalists does it. Just the fact that we exist and are not under there thumb is enough to do that.

I agree to some extend. Before 2001, I had the clear feeling that the USA was on the lookout for a new enemy. The decline of Russia's influence had happened so fast that USAmerican politics seemed to have been left without a major focal point. They had defined themselves for decades as the opposite of Russia and therefore the good guys. Now that was no longer possible. And to be the good guys, you need to have bad guys, otherwise you don't impress anybody.

I think if you took any speech of Bush these days and replaced "terrorism" with "communism", you'd end up with a speech given decades ago by Nixon.

Please one Bush free thread is all I ever want...one day I hope it will exist. Please keep our threads clean.

The process of Bush becoming President was questionable at best. In my opinion he never should have been President. Further I saw a number of things in his policies that reminded me of early policies of Hitler. Finally it doesn't take much to rile Islamic fundamentalists does it. Just the fact that we exist and are not under there thumb is enough to do that.

I'm not even responding to that. Thats an insult to NS General, the last part.

The process of Bush becoming President was questionable at best. In my opinion he never should have been President. Further I saw a number of things in his policies that reminded me of early policies of Hitler. Finally it doesn't take much to rile Islamic fundamentalists does it. Just the fact that we exist and are not under there thumb is enough to do that.

I wonder why it took them 5 centuries to become fundamentalists, then.. we've been around all the time, and not under their thumb. Why do you think they only became extreme after WW II?

I'm not even responding to that. Thats an insult to NS General, the last part.

Good to see you took the higher ground.:D

Thats certainly interesting. I haven't heard that suggested before, and, what would encourage such a development? If China sought to confront the USA, there would be no better time than now.

Why is it that a possible war between the US and China always comes up sooner or later in all these threads?

Please one Bush free thread is all I ever want...one day I hope it will exist. Please keep our threads clean.

I was mainly referring to his dad. And to Clinton after him.
Bush was the one to find the new enemy, you could say, after the other two spent their presidencies looking for one ;)

Thats certainly interesting. I haven't heard that suggested before, and, what would encourage such a development? If China sought to confront the USA, there would be no better time than now.

The right in both the USA and Australia have a record of using external threats to encourage a compliant electorate. Sometimes this threat needs to be manufactured. When Franklin Rooseveldt said, "There is nothing to fear but fear itself," I believe he was criticising this very tactic of his opponents.

I wonder why it took them 5 centuries to become fundamentalists, then.. we've been around all the time, and not under their thumb. Why do you think they only became extreme after WW II?

They became extremeists during WW2 when the Germans were trying to get them to revolt against the British and so aid their side of the war. There is tons of evidence showing this. The problem is once they created these extremeists they can no longer be controlled by anyone. I think that would have turned around and bit the Germans on the hiney back then as well as it is biting the rest of us now.

The British Empire should definately make a comeback. Start with the mouthy colonists south of Canada. The only reason we get all that "freindly fire" in the middle east is to oppress our armed forces as they are scared (inbreeding induced mental instability may also play a part). Show the yanks what we can do and the rest will fall into place. Next thing you know we will have back India, Australia, The United States of West, West England and all the other lovelies that made up the largest Empire the world has ever known!

I was mainly referring to his dad. And to Clinton after him.
Bush was the one to find the new enemy, you could say, after the other two spent their presidencies looking for one ;)

I liked the elder bush, and since I have a day off work finally I am not going to get stressed thinking about the idiots who followed.:cool:

And all those choices suck. I'd prefer a world led by the German Empire, as it seemed to be heading in the late 19th Century.

Yes, the small sausage factory in Tanganika certainly outshone the likes of the British Empire, or the rapidly-expanding hegemony of the United States in the late 19th Century.

Seriously, the German Empire dominated nothing but Europe in the late 19th Century. And even then, 'dominated' is rather a flexible word - the French and the British had just as much power, if not far more. That's not even mentioning Imperial Russia, decrepit through it was in many places.

I'm not even responding to that. Thats an insult to NS General, the last part.


They kill anyone in there countries that don't agree with there beliefs, it's a fact. No insult to NS was meant.

My belief is that if the World Trade Centre hadn't been destroyed, the USA would have entered into a major cold war with China. Prior to 11 September 2001 Bush was ramping up the anti-China rhetoric, especially once the US fighter was downed in China.

I think China must be thanking their lucky stars that bin Laden intervened.

things where heating up between the two, you had that plane thing and the Taiwan thing

People overestimate how much power the Kaisers had. It was a CONSTITUTIONAL monarchy, people!

A constitution that had about as much power as a cloverleaf - which was what the Constitution was referred to, if memory of my GCSE History classes suffice - the Kaiser wielded the vast majority of power, along with Bismarck. The German Constitution of the time was nothing more than a 'Cloverleaf covering the nakedness of autocracy' (The ending doesn't sound correct, but it gets the gist of the point across well enough).

The British Empire should definately make a comeback. Start with the mouthy colonists south of Canada. The only reason we get all that "freindly fire" in the middle east is to oppress our armed forces as they are scared (inbreeding induced mental instability may also play a part). Show the yanks what we can do and the rest will fall into place. Next thing you know we will have back India, Australia, The United States of West, West England and all the other lovelies that made up the largest Empire the world has ever known!


I'm one of those mouthy colonist, and I say come get it if you can :D

I liked the elder bush, and since I have a day off work finally I am not going to get stressed thinking about the idiots who followed.:cool:


Finally something we agree on

Come get it if you can :D
Don't you worry. With Dubya and his Klingon 'Ricecake' intent on sending every poor kid south of the MasonDixie line into the path of road side bombs, soon we'll be able to send in the Womens Auxilliary Balloon Corps and stage an invasion. I think we should start in the Pacific Northwest. They're all so miserable they'd probably just top themselves at the very sight.

Yes, the small sausage factory in Tanganika certainly outshone the likes of the British Empire, or the rapidly-expanding hegemony of the United States in the late 19th Century.

Seriously, the German Empire dominated nothing but Europe in the late 19th Century. And even then, 'dominated' is rather a flexible word - the French and the British had just as much power, if not far more. That's not even mentioning Imperial Russia, decrepit through it was in many places.

BLACKADDER!!!!!!:p

Good to see you took the higher ground.:D

I'm not sure what honour NSG has, but I'm damn well defending it....:p

They kill anyone in there countries that don't agree with there beliefs, it's a fact. No insult to NS was meant.

Why throw ignorant generalisations at me like confetti?

Firstly, Islamic fundamentalists tend to inhabit predominantly Islamic states, and, on occassion, co-exist with "democratized" elements of Muslim polity. In any case, what created Islamic fundamentalists? I daresay the USA, through support for Israel, and countless other gaffes, has a principal role in that process.

Don't you worry. With Dubya and his Klingon 'Ricecake' intent on sending every poor kid south of the MasonDixie line into the path of road side bombs, soon we'll be able to send in the Womens Auxilliary Balloon Corps and stage an invasion. I think we should start in the Pacific Northwest. They're all so miserable they'd probably just top themselves at the very sight.


It won't matter where you start, we'll still kick your butt ... again :p

Why throw ignorant generalisations at me like confetti?

Firstly, Islamic fundamentalists tend to inhabit predominantly Islamic states, and, on occassion, co-exist with "democratized" elements of Muslim polity. In any case, what created Islamic fundamentalists? I daresay the USA, through support for Israel, and countless other gaffes, has a principal role in that process.


I'm just expressing my opinion, just like you. I daresay that if our support of Isreal is what pissed them off then thats just to bad. I support Isreal because they are Gods chosen people. Opposing them isn't a real intelligent idea I wouldn't say. But if you don't mind warring with God then knock yourself out.

I'm just expressing my opinion, just like you.

Hardly a positive reflection upon your opinions then.

Don't you worry. With Dubya and his Klingon 'Ricecake' intent on sending every poor kid south of the MasonDixie line into the path of road side bombs, soon we'll be able to send in the Womens Auxilliary Balloon Corps and stage an invasion. I think we should start in the Pacific Northwest. They're all so miserable they'd probably just top themselves at the very sight.

You do know you have the worst name ever. How on earth did you come up with that?:p

Another Blackadder reference as well!!!!!!!:eek:

It won't matter where you start, we'll still kick your butt ... again :p

You had the French on your side then. Now you have insulted the proud French nation by renaming your national dish of 'French Fries' to Freedom Fries (The Patriot Act may make that term seem a bit foolish) they won't be on your side no more me old matie. Plus the American Tank Buster Aeroplanes only seem to be able to attack your allies. So with the tank busters taking care of your ground troops and the British Eurofighter in play we may stand a chance.

You do know you have the worst name ever. How on earth did you come up with that?:p

Another Blackadder reference as well!!!!!!!:eek:

I have the worst name ever due to an unfortunate encounter with a Dutch prostitute. The nickname stuck at work. Well, se la vie or whatever.

Hardly a positive reflection upon your opinions then.


And your opinions are I suppose :p

And your opinions are I suppose :p

Yes. Every so often thay have this odd thing called reason and factual basis in them....

I have the worst name ever due to an unfortunate encounter with a Dutch prostitute. The nickname stuck at work. Well, se la vie or whatever.


Nice workmates.

I have the worst name ever due to an unfortunate encounter with a Dutch prostitute. The nickname stuck at work. Well, se la vie or whatever.

Thats way to much information

Yes. Every so often thay have this odd thing called reason and factual basis in them....


Yes you are the only one here with reason and facts aren't you? You are starting to sound like Mr. Bush.

Yes you are the only one here with reason and facts aren't you?

In our little duologue, yes.

In our little duologue, yes.


That is your opinion ... but it doesn't make you right.

That is your opinion ... but it doesn't make you right.

I'm so sorry, but this is demeaning. I'm 17, and, if this what a 48 year old chooses to engage in, I don't want to grow up.

I'm so sorry, but this is demeaning. I'm 17, and, if this what a 48 year old chooses to engage in, I don't want to grow up.



Sorry about your luck Chris but everyone ages. You have no choice in that regardless of who you are. And eventually we all die too.

I feel sorry for the Nazis, they get my vote.

History has been rather harsh to them :(

I feel sorry for the Nazis, they get my vote.

History has been rather harsh to them :(


Too harsh on the Nazi's, you must be kidding.

Yes you are the only one here with reason and facts aren't you? You are starting to sound like Mr. Bush.

Well, we're all still waiting for you to provide facts that back up your claim that the USA is a democracy....

The 2 communist empires aren't doing so well. Even the Nazis just got a vote.

I'm so sorry, but this is demeaning. I'm 17, and, if this what a 48 year old chooses to engage in, I don't want to grow up.

Don't worry, hon, I'm 32 myself, and some adults spent the years between 17 and 48 acutally growing up and learning. Others, well.... others choose other paths.

The 2 communist empires aren't doing so well. Even the Nazis just got a vote.


That was MEEE! :D

And of course I was joking about the Nazis...or was I? :p

I feel sorry for the Nazis, they get my vote.

History has been rather harsh to them :(

I'm not going to argue with that. I'd just like to draw your attention to the fact that they were actively working towards getting this kind of treatment eventually. ;)

I'm not going to argue with that. I'd just like to draw your attention to the fact that they were actively working towards getting this kind of treatment eventually. ;)


Ain't going to deny that :)

The Australian Cricket Team, no doubt about it.



The European Union would be preferable. I hope they extend to North America.
Hahahahahaha. You're joking... right? :|

I feel sorry for the Nazis, they get my vote.

History has been rather harsh to them :(

Not really. Some of the ideas on eugenics were o.k. Not the racial ones, and certainly not the super race of blonde people (never trust a blonde man, all the ones I have known were very weird and I believe some blowdry their hair). But certain eugenics are important. Some severley disabled people may smile and be said to be enjoying life but they are a drain on our existance aren't they. The Nazi's have a bad rep because they were selfobsessed idiots who beleived everything they were doing was right and kept (typically German) records of all their attrocities, almost ready for their own trial. Nazi's deserve their place in the history books for having a leader who tried to look like Charlie Chaplin.

In another thread, The Potato Factory said that the world sucks and suggested this was because the allies won WW2. [Edit: He says he meant WW1.]

The USA is our current overlord. Not real wonderful but I think it could be worse.

So, of the possible alternatives from the last 100 years or so, do you think any other overlord would have been preferable?

Poll coming.

We spoil you all as it is. Look, you'll find fault with any superpower of the day, and we'll be around a good few hundred years, so you'd best get used to it.

Don't worry, hon, I'm 32 myself, and some adults spent the years between 17 and 48 acutally growing up and learning. Others, well.... others choose other paths.


OK CW try growing up as a transgendered individual, you seem to think you have all the answers. I've had to deal with things that would probly have caused most people to kill themselves. So don't try to tell me I'm not grown up.

We spoil you all as it is. Look, you'll find fault with any superpower of the day, and we'll be around a good few hundred years, so you'd best get used to it.

As I've said already, this was not intended as a bash USA thread. Despite all your country's faults things could be much worse.

Realistically, the USA won't be the sole superpower for all that much longer. I hope what comes along isn't worse.

As I've said already, this was not intended as a bash USA thread. Despite all your country's faults things could be much worse.

Realistically, the USA won't be the sole superpower for all that much longer. I hope what comes along isn't worse.

"Things couldn't be much worse"? Can you imagine an alien species landing on Earth and asking to be "taken to our leader". According to the U.S thie leader is an alchoholic draft dodging vote rigging functional illiterate evagelical nightmare. We'd be laughed out of the galaxy.

"Things couldn't be much worse"? Can you imagine an alien species landing on Earth and asking to be "taken to our leader". According to the U.S thie leader is an alchoholic draft dodging vote rigging functional illiterate evagelical nightmare. We'd be laughed out of the galaxy.

Yeah. That would be embarrasing.

I think the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany would be much worse.

As I've said already, this was not intended as a bash USA thread. Despite all your country's faults things could be much worse.

Realistically, the USA won't be the sole superpower for all that much longer. I hope what comes along isn't worse.


Everyone has faults " INCLUDING MYSELF ", at least I am willing to admit that. Anyone here would stand up to defend there country. That is all I have been doing. One differance though, I really do care about other people, I'm not so sure others here can say that. Sometimes it seems like Americans are everyone elses dart board and thats not a good feeling.

Yeah. That would be embarrasing.

I think the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany would be much worse.

For now the Soviet Union consists of Chelsea F.C and TVR and Nazi Germany has been crushed by the undefeatable British forces. (Americans - if your not in the fight from the start it don't count!)

OK CW try growing up as a transgendered individual, you seem to think you have all the answers. I've had to deal with things that would probly have caused most people to kill themselves. So don't try to tell me I'm not grown up.

Try growing up with an abusive and violent father and then talk to me again.
The fact that I had a horrible childhood and a very disturbed relationship to myself and my sexuality is no excuse whatsoever for me to come here and post opinions of facts without even bothering to check them first, let alone provide any form of backup.

I don't have all the answers, far from it. I'd call myself lucky if I even had all the questions. But I don't make stereotypical statements and refuse to even consider that the world just might be more complex and that - gasp - I might acutally be wrong.

;) "Things couldn't be much worse"? Can you imagine an alien species landing on Earth and asking to be "taken to our leader". According to the U.S thie leader is an alchoholic draft dodging vote rigging functional illiterate evagelical nightmare. We'd be laughed out of the galaxy.


I think we already have been, thats why we don't get more alien visitors here. ;)

I vote for the EEU, mainly because an EU stretching from the west coast of Ireland to the far east of Russia would be FUCKING COOL. :D Also, it would rule the world. :) And possibly space as well.

Everyone has faults " INCLUDING MYSELF ", at least I am willing to admit that. Anyone here would stand up to defend there country. That is all I have been doing. One differance though, I really do care about other people, I'm not so sure others here can say that. Sometimes it seems like Americans are everyone elses dart board and thats not a good feeling.

Personally, I don't own a country, so I can't defend mine.
I will however always make an effort to make sure that facts are presented correctly and comprehensively.

The US have spent a lot of time ensuring that they are the number one superpower, and are consquently now in the lamplight. It's a bit like becoming a celebrity - people are suddenly looking at everything you do and say, and are ready to criticise if they don't like what they see.

All the options suck, but of all the British Empire is the least bad.

The European Union would be preferable. I hope they extend to North America.
Hopefully anti-americanism in Europe will have grown so strong by such a time that not even the thought of it is entertained. Then at least there'll be some escape from USSE.

If I did have to choose, I'd choose modern day Brittian. The USA's toadie. Preferably with a more capitalist system.

All the options suck...

That's the point I was trying to make. All superpowers suck.

All the options suck, but of all the British Empire is the least bad.

I was waiting for you show up. :D


Why does everyone think the NS moderators are worse than the British Empire, and an expanded European Union?

If I did have to choose, I'd choose modern day Brittian. The USA's toadie. Preferably with a more capitalist system.
Huzzah! Three cheers for the Emparh! :D

I was waiting for you show up. :D
How come?

Why does everyone think the NS moderators are worse than the British Empire, and an expanded European Union?
Running the world is a little harder than running the forums. :p

That's the point I was trying to make. All superpowers suck.
I agree. And as much as some people wax rapturous about the EU, it is nothing but (against the will of many of its members) an attempt at Europe to become a superpower again.

I'm so sorry, but this is demeaning. I'm 17, and, if this what a 48 year old chooses to engage in, I don't want to grow up.

WHile I am not as old as he is do not base growing up on him.

Try growing up with an abusive and violent father and then talk to me again.
The fact that I had a horrible childhood and a very disturbed relationship to myself and my sexuality is no excuse whatsoever for me to come here and post opinions of facts without even bothering to check them first, let alone provide any form of backup.

I don't have all the answers, far from it. I'd call myself lucky if I even had all the questions. But I don't make stereotypical statements and refuse to even consider that the world just might be more complex and that - gasp - I might acutally be wrong.


All I have heard since I was small is that I lived in a democracy, and that was why we could live free. The only place I have seen it referred to as a republic is in the pledge of allegiance. I have never heard anyone say lets change Iraq into a Republic. So why don't you just chill.

That's the point I was trying to make. All superpowers suck.

here, here!

I'm not sure what honour NSG has, but I'm damn well defending it....:p

I meant by shutting up.:p

How come?

I figured you would have something interesting to add.

WHile I am not as old as he is do not base growing up on him.

I'm about to turn 49. I might have grown up but I'm not sure. I mean I am starting poll threads on the NationStates forum.

Don't you worry. With Dubya and his Klingon 'Ricecake' intent on sending every poor kid south of the MasonDixie line into the path of road side bombs, soon we'll be able to send in the Womens Auxilliary Balloon Corps and stage an invasion. I think we should start in the Pacific Northwest. They're all so miserable they'd probably just top themselves at the very sight.

lol that was a false lie from vietnam about only the poor being sent to fight, it is an even bigger lie saying it about Iraq.

I'm about to turn 49. I might have grown up but I'm not sure. I mean I am starting poll threads on the NationStates forum.

Does not mean you are not grown up, bored maybe, but you can be grown up. Besides the older ones must share their wisdom witht he young even if they do not listen to it, you should still put it out there to be looked at.

I figured you would have something interesting to add.
Did I disappoint then? :eek:

lol that was a false lie from vietnam about only the poor being sent to fight, it is an even bigger lie saying it about Iraq.

Keep deluding yourself sweatheart. G.W.B didn't go.

On a similar point:-
Q:Why did Britain stay out of the Viet Nam war?
A:We wanted our war films to remain cheerful.

Not really. Some of the ideas on eugenics were o.k. Not the racial ones, and certainly not the super race of blonde people (never trust a blonde man, all the ones I have known were very weird and I believe some blowdry their hair). But certain eugenics are important. Some severley disabled people may smile and be said to be enjoying life but they are a drain on our existance aren't they. The Nazi's have a bad rep because they were selfobsessed idiots who beleived everything they were doing was right and kept (typically German) records of all their attrocities, almost ready for their own trial. Nazi's deserve their place in the history books for having a leader who tried to look like Charlie Chaplin.
Quit trolling.

And no, they ain't. They have as much a right to live as anybody else.

here, here!
Where? WHERE?!?

Did I disappoint then? :eek:

No. I'm usually entertained, regardless of whether I agree or not with your opinion. I like reading posts by you, The Nazz, and Drunk Commies Deleted.

Why throw ignorant generalisations at me like confetti?

Firstly, Islamic fundamentalists tend to inhabit predominantly Islamic states, and, on occassion, co-exist with "democratized" elements of Muslim polity. In any case, what created Islamic fundamentalists? I daresay the USA, through support for Israel, and countless other gaffes, has a principal role in that process.

Hey Chris that itself is BS propaganda dealing with the Arabs hating Israel. Prior to WW2 the Arabs lived in peace with jews, and they did as far back as Saladins Empire. The Germans incited the Fundmentalists against the British and then the Jews as the worked on their "final solution". So if you want to point the correct finger at inciting the Islamic Fundamentalists point at the Nazis. The US did what was right by not letting them arbitrarily wipe out another people just because all of a sudden they did not like them. Israel has as much right to exist as any of the Arab countries, and many of the present Arab countries have no history of exisitance prior to the 20th century, so Maybe Israel has more right since their history of existance is over 2000 years old.

Quit trolling.

And no, they ain't. They have as much a right to live as anybody else.


Where? WHERE?!?

You may be right, but maybe the point he is making about the drain is perhaps keeping anyone alive past what nature intends is wrong. We use medical knowledge to supercede the laws of nature, is it right or wrong to do that?

Quit trolling.

And no, they ain't. They have as much a right to live as anybody else.


Where? WHERE?!?

I'm not trolling. The Romans left defective babies out in the open for the wolves and they were one on the first major players on the international empire stakes. Locks, aquaducts, parliamentary democracy, roads, etc. Could you imagine them inventing all that stuff while having to spoonfeed one of God's mistakes or whilst inventing the orthopedic shoe at the same time?? I think not.

Keep deluding yourself sweatheart. G.W.B didn't go.

On a similar point:-
Q:Why did Britain stay out of the Viet Nam war?
A:We wanted our war films to remain cheerful.

Who gives a flying rats a** about whether he did or not? The point was not only the Poor were sent. Just like the statement that it was only the blacks who were sent or getting killed. It is actually true more whites and hispanics served in vietnam then blacks.

And I served with more then one person who made very good money, who was serving in Iraq, and several who owned their own bussinesses. So go spew your BS "they are killing the poor crap" somewhere else.

Who gives a flying rats a** about whether he did or not? The point was not only the Poor were sent. Just like the statement that it was only the blacks who were sent or getting killed. It is actually true more whites and hispanics served in vietnam then blacks.

And I served with more then one person who made very good money, who was serving in Iraq, and several who owned their own bussinesses. So go spew your BS "they are killing the poor crap" somewhere else.

Those people in Iraq who made good money or owned they're own businesses where obviousley idiots. What are poor people for if not cannon fodder. And the Hispanics will soon own America anyway. I heard Bush speaking spanish. That smooth latin lover that he is.

WHile I am not as old as he is do not base growing up on him.


Him doesn't fit in a description of me

Those people in Iraq who made good money or owned they're own businesses where obviousley idiots. What are poor people for if not cannon fodder. And the Hispanics will soon own America anyway. I heard Bush speaking spanish. That smooth latin lover that he is.


You are all about starting trouble aren't you?

I'm not trolling. The Romans left defective babies out in the open for the wolves and they were one on the first major players on the international empire stakes. Locks, aquaducts, parliamentary democracy, roads, etc. Could you imagine them inventing all that stuff while having to spoonfeed one of God's mistakes or whilst inventing the orthopedic shoe at the same time?? I think not.
Then think again, fool.

I mean, even though I'd like to, I'm not calling for your post-natal abortion either, you troll.

[Enough of this threadjacking already]

You are all about starting trouble aren't you?

I have opinions. if you don't like them ignore them. If you are a Christian, forgive me. My thoughts are all honest and heart felt. If you don't like freedom of speach go live in Dubai.

Then think again, fool.

I mean, even though I'd like to, I'm not calling for your post-natal abortion either, you troll.

[Enough of this threadjacking already]

No threadjacking takes place in my posts. If you are too narrow minded to take into consideration my opinions then let them float over your head like so many butterflies. I may have my "extreme" opinions but they are also as valid as the next man's.

My statements are validated by a lack of counter argument. So if we can all stop being ultra sensitive Daily Mail readers the we can all get along.

No takers then? You weak feeble minded lot.

All I have heard since I was small is that I lived in a democracy, and that was why we could live free. The only place I have seen it referred to as a republic is in the pledge of allegiance. I have never heard anyone say lets change Iraq into a Republic. So why don't you just chill.

That's cause Iraq was already a republic.
Seriously, if you want to discuss this, read up on the definitions of republics and democracies first. "Everyone says" is not a definition, it just shows that people sometimes don't know what they're talking about.

[Enough of this threadjacking already]

No takers then? You weak feeble minded lot.

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Good comeback.

Are you sure that's because of the poll? *innocent look*

Huh?

Huh?
Nevermind. I was jokingly referring to the last line of your post (#4). :eek:

i don't know enough about half those options, but out of the ones i do know enough about, i choose NS moderators. as long as Kat is in charge of justice and policing.

.....I think most people just resent USA now because America is the most powerful nation.

Now what makes you think you'll feel differently if we replace the words USA with EU?

Because I'd be in the E.U. :p

That's cause Iraq was already a republic.
Seriously, if you want to discuss this, read up on the definitions of republics and democracies first. "Everyone says" is not a definition, it just shows that people sometimes don't know what they're talking about.

A Republic is a form of government maintained by a state or country whose sovereignty is based on popular consent and whose governance is based on popular representation and control ...


Does this description sound like the hell that was Iraq under Saddim's rule? I don't think so.

In another thread, The Potato Factory said that the world sucks and suggested this was because the allies won WW2. [Edit: He says he meant WW1.]

The USA is our current overlord. Not real wonderful but I think it could be worse.

So, of the possible alternatives from the last 100 years or so, do you think any other overlord would have been preferable?

Poll coming.

EU, just as it is now...

Liberal democracy is a form of government. It is a representative democracy in which the ability of the elected representatives to exercise decision-making power is subject to the rule of law, and usually moderated by a constitution that emphasizes the protection of the rights and freedoms of individuals, and which places constraints on the leaders and on the extent to which the will of the majority can be exercised against the rights of minorities. The rights and freedoms protected by the constitutions of liberal democracies are varied, but they usually include most of the following: rights to due process, privacy, property and equality before the law, and freedoms of speech, assembly and religion. In liberal democracies these rights (also known as "liberal rights") may sometimes be constitutionally guaranteed, or are otherwise created by statutory law or case law, which may in turn empower various civil institutions to administer or enforce these rights.


This describes the government of the US ... ie ... it is a Democracy.

His response was China because, "Unlike China, large parts of India still believe in communism."

lol. Very true. A comic incident was when visiting Chinese officials offered advices on capitalism to Indian commies in West Bengal.

Even more ironical is the presence of extreme-left militias like Communist Party of India (Maoist) in India and Nepal. Them mofos should go and fight in China instead.

Personally, I would like to see a multipolar world with the rise of regional blocs competing economically.

People overestimate how much power the Kaisers had. It was a CONSTITUTIONAL monarchy, people!
I recommend you get yourself a copy of "Gedanken und Erinnerungen" by Bismarck.

The choices aren't exactly ideal, are they. I suppose Britain made efforts towards a Pax Britannica, but was also one of the worst perpetrators of scientific racism.

France was way too unstable internally and aggressive externally.

Not a fan of Nazism, Communism or various forms of political Islam.

So the EU would be good, because of all its bureaucracy it's still democratic and largely liberally orientated.

I meant WWI.

Potatohead, if life sucks, go kill yourself.

The choices aren't exactly ideal, are they. I suppose Britain made efforts towards a Pax Britannica, but was also one of the worst perpetrators of scientific racism.
But let's say the Empire survived Nazism and existed today... there's no reason it would continue being racist, is there?

People overestimate how much power the Kaisers had. It was a CONSTITUTIONAL monarchy, people!
It was a semi-absolute Monarchy. If it did away with its welfare/warfare component, and became lean and efficient like the British Empire was, perhaps then I'd prefer it over anything else.

Nevermind. I was jokingly referring to the last line of your post (#4). :eek:

I don't get it.

Awww Come on... Gotta be the Aussie Cricket team


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A cricket fast bowler, loosely resembling Dennis Lillee, who uses his bowling skills to help people or defend against evil, superhero style - indeed, he has his own sidekick and arch nemesis (Callinan as The English Batsman). For instance, a choking man would be helped with a ball thrown at his back. The Australian Fast Bowler has been shown as a 12-year-old boy, the Schoolyard Fast Bowler; one episode also featured the Australian Lawn Bowler, seemingly the Australian Fast Bowler many years later (a references to the common perception of lawn bowling as an "old people's sport").

I'd go with the Aussie cricket team. Imagine Shane Warne as the most powerful person in the world! :p

that would be true as most don't know what the sport is

Yeah right.

A powerful China.

In another thread, The Potato Factory said that the world sucks and suggested this was because the allies won WW2. [Edit: He says he meant WW1.]

The USA is our current overlord. Not real wonderful but I think it could be worse.

So, of the possible alternatives from the last 100 years or so, do you think any other overlord would have been preferable?

Poll coming.

I knew I saw your anme somewhere other than NSWC...anyway

CCCP! ☭

Saluton,
Hello,

We the Rafe System, decided it was better to have self-rule in all regards, including internationaly.

That our official ways of doing things are the same as global standards is merely acts of being a "good samaritan"; instead of enduring the shackles that are possible with international agreements.

For example, we use a system equal in every way to the ISO's timestamp, shipping container classifications, and complaint form, without having joined the ISO.

Our anti-piracy, anti-slavery, and anti-child labor laws are 99% the same as the UN's.

Yet we still have self-rule. Our treaties between nations and states is purely business. If the gov't says nothing against a certain nation/state, one is permitted to trade with it.

In this way, we are able, to the best of our ability to choose our own destiny, without worry of being dragged down by a mishap in a foreign land.

The Rafe System
First Lord Rafe

Awww Come on... Gotta be the Aussie Cricket team

Agreed. :)

EU for zee win! Viva der Deutschland!!!!!111 JAAAAA!!!!

Um, yes. :)

But let's say the Empire survived Nazism and existed today... there's no reason it would continue being racist, is there?
The only reason the racism that Britain stood for ended was that their Empire ended.

If the US hadn't pressured them, nothing at all would have changed. We'd still be talking about the scientifically proven inferiority of the Black man. Considering that the entire justification for the Empire in Victorian times was to educate and lead the poor children of the wrong skin colour, I don't think the Empire could have existed without racism.

The USA is not anyone's overlord. :rolleyes:
They just wannabe.

Do you have a view on all those terms above, or do you want us to interpret them for ourselves?

As I have a fondness for the West somewhat even though I'm Asian, it's the European Union for me. (No, I'm not self-loathing...)

<Whistles innocently>

<Whistles innocently>

:rolleyes:
Cheeky bugger.

Europe is the best, everyone knows that. But not everyone accepts it yet.
But one day even the arrogant and irresponsible US will learn that economy is not the purpose of society or state.

<Whistles innocently>
:rolleyes:

I see the NS mods have won. :rolleyes:

:p:D:) :fluffle:

I see the NS mods have won. :rolleyes:

:p:D:) :fluffle:only by fraud

Potatohead, if life sucks, go kill yourself.

Life sucks for everyone. The general life standard is lower when put next to other potential timelines.

only by fraud

I don't know what you mean. I voted for the Australian Cricket Team. >.>

Life sucks for everyone. The general life standard is lower when put next to other potential timelines.

Because we know how those would pan out so well, you mean? 'Life sucks compared to a hypothetical life who's sole defining trait is that it sucks less' isn't a very convincing argument.

I don't know what you mean. I voted for the Australian Cricket Team. >.>

so you did

The only reason the racism that Britain stood for ended was that their Empire ended.

If the US hadn't pressured them, nothing at all would have changed. We'd still be talking about the scientifically proven inferiority of the Black man. Considering that the entire justification for the Empire in Victorian times was to educate and lead the poor children of the wrong skin colour, I don't think the Empire could have existed without racism.

"Britain also outlawed the slave trade (1807) and soon began enforcing this principle on other nations. By the mid-19th century Britain had largely eradicated the world slave trade. Slavery itself was abolished in the British colonies in 1834, though the phenomenon of indentured labour retained much of its oppressive character until 1920."

"The history of slavery in the United States began soon after Europeans first settled in what became the United States. All slaves were freed by 1865 during the American Civil War, chiefly by Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation."

From Wikipedia ofcourse.

I don't know what you mean. I voted for the Australian Cricket Team. >.>

Funny how Ceia, Cookesland, Darknovae, Greater Trostia, Heretichia, Ifreann, Infinite Revolution, Jenrak, Kyronea, Luporum, Real Talk, Similization, The Scandinvans, Trotskylvania, UpwardThrust, and West Spartiala became that many people. :rolleyes:

The British Empire was largely justified by the British weather. Live in England for a couple of years and you'll want to conquer somewhere the sun actually comes out occasionally too.

The British Empire was largely justified by the British weather. Live in England for a couple of years and you'll want to conquer somewhere the sun actually comes out occasionally too.

Aye, I've been there a combined 21 days...17 of which it rained...and 21 of which it was at least overcast.

Aye, I've been there a combined 21 days...17 of which it rained...and 21 of which it was at least overcast.

You think that's bad? You should visit here in the winter!

"Britain also outlawed the slave trade (1807) and soon began enforcing this principle on other nations. By the mid-19th century Britain had largely eradicated the world slave trade. Slavery itself was abolished in the British colonies in 1834, though the phenomenon of indentured labour retained much of its oppressive character until 1920."

"The history of slavery in the United States began soon after Europeans first settled in what became the United States. All slaves were freed by 1865 during the American Civil War, chiefly by Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation."

From Wikipedia ofcourse.

I'd thought the Brits abolished slavery in 1832.

I'd thought the Brits abolished slavery in 1832.
Perhpas it took two years to also affect the colonies.

Perhpas it took two years to also affect the colonies.

The colonies were already the USA by that point, and they didn't abolish it till 1865. Free country indeed. :rolleyes:

From Wikipedia ofcourse.
There's a lot more to racism than slavery. Hell, read anything by Rudyard Kipling and you understand the British Empire in its entirety.

The colonies were already the USA by that point, and they didn't abolish it till 1865. Free country indeed. :rolleyes:
The other British colonies.

The other British colonies.

Oh. sorry. *hides* Wasn't thinking of the other colonies... :(

There's a lot more to racism than slavery. Hell, read anything by Rudyard Kipling and you understand the British Empire in its entirety.

The British Empire was a old-fashioned large power bloc based on Britain's industrial and military strength. Going off to conquer people with vastly less military and industrial strength was what you did back then. Silly justifications about altruism towards the resource-rich countries being conquered are just that: silly.

Silly justifications about altruism towards the resource-rich countries being conquered are just that: silly.
Be that as it may, they were still the reason and underlying justification for the various decisions getting through the houses of parliament.

It was a useful concept, and I dare say that most of the ruling classes genuinely believed in them. So I don't really see why the idea would disappear if the Empire hadn't been destroyed by outside influences like WWII and the subsequent pressure from the US.

I dunno if any of these would let me be as lazy as I am right know, so I just chose NS mods. :p

I dunno if any of these would let me be as lazy as I am right know, so I just chose NS mods. :p

:p

The British Empire was a old-fashioned large power bloc based on Britain's industrial and military strength. Going off to conquer people with vastly less military and industrial strength was what you did back then. Silly justifications about altruism towards the resource-rich countries being conquered are just that: silly.


Like America in Iraq? We don't see Americans building railways or inventing sports, just bombing British troops and little brown children.

Like America in Iraq? We don't see Americans building railways or inventing sports, just bombing British troops and little brown children.

So what are the British troops doing then?

So what are the British troops doing then?

Bombing big brown children, but we don't shoot our own.