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How do I become an illegal? I've been working hard at college for the past 2 1/2 years. I just realized that if only I would have been born south of the border, crossed illegally, much of my bills would have been paid for me.


So is it possible for me to immigrate to mexico, than back here? This guy from Maryland has the right idea.






Becoming Illegal (From a Maryland resident to his senator)

The Honorable Paul S. Sarbanes
Senate Office Building
309 Hart
Washington DC, 20510

Dear Senator Sarbanes,

As a native Marylander and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue
Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the
Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for
becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.

My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to
illegal alien stem from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and
for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's provisions is
accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five
years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and
income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I see
one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it
out.

Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes
every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes
in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be
illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my
family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.

Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency
room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums
for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a
year. Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter
would receive preferential treatment relative to her law school
applications, as well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges
throughout the United States for my son.

Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of
renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance
premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age
children driving my car.

If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal
(retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be
most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.

Your Loyal Constituent,

Pete McGlaughlin

Go kill someone, and you will have a meal, and roof over your head, free of charge, for the rest of your life. :)

Ridiculous bigotry.

How do I become an illegal? I've been working hard at college for the past 2 1/2 years. I just realized that if only I would have been born south of the border, crossed illegally, much of my bills would have been paid for me.


So is it possible for me to immigrate to mexico, than back here? This guy from Maryland has the right idea.
I know this is stupid, YOU know this is stupid, but we'll go through point by point on just HOW stupid this is.

Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes
every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes
in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be
illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my
family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.
To start off with, most illegals working do, indeed, pay income taxes. Since a SS# is required to work and said taxes are automatically taken out, they end up paying taxes to whatever SS# they gave on the forms. They just never get any of that money back.

Second, this isn't a tax holiday as proposed here, it would, in effect, tax people twice if they had been working and paying taxes during this time period (see point 1).

Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a year.
Oh boy, this old chestnut again. The laws state that anyone showing up at an emergency room MUST be treated, irregardless of status or ability to pay. This makes sense as people in emergency situations may have forgotten their passports for some reason, or might not have their wallet with a credit card handy (shocking, I know, but people having a heart attack might have other things on their mind). Hospitals due bill for the treatment of course, but illegals usually are good at hiding their addresses making it impossible to collect said money.

Said letter writer probably wants to keep his house, wherever it is, so this wouldn't work. He is, however, able to go to any emergency room and get treatment should he feel like it.

Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter
would receive preferential treatment relative to her law school
applications, as well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges
throughout the United States for my son.
Bullshit. In-state is based upon residency. Illegals may gain residency in the state where they live, but for most colleges the in-state rate comes from graduating a state high school. An illegal alien graduate from California would be considered California resident because of graduating from a California school, he would not be considered Nevada resident, or Oregon, or Washington, Idaho, etc. Nor do illegals receive preferential treatment to law schools or graduate school (I think they are confusing minority status with illegal, but this is just proof in the pudding of the general tone of the email).

Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age children driving my car.
Bullshit again. Illegals don't get such free rides. It is, again, the problem of finding them if they don't give their address or change address without notifying the DMV. If they are stopped, they are arrested or charged the same as everyone else. Hell, you can do it too. Just abandon your home and migrate around. You can then stop renewing your license and paying insurance until you get into an accident.

BTW, the largest group of uninsured drivers is teen drivers, not illegal aliens.

If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.
Oh I can help him with that. He just needs to get to Canada or Mexico (or nation of his choice) go to the US Embassy there and renounce his citizenship before a consular and turn in his passport. All done. He won't be a US citizen any more. Of course he'd be an illegal in that country and the US won't let him back in without a valid passport, but hey, he has what he wants. Then he can live the fun life of not being able to take a good job, having to hide and move all the time, be unable to apply for many government services or benefits, and after 5 years of this, try to get his US citizenship back.

Ridiculous bigotry.

You expect anything else from this thread starter?

How do I become an illegal? I've been working hard at college for the past 2 1/2 years. I just realized that if only I would have been born south of the border, crossed illegally, much of my bills would have been paid for me.


So is it possible for me to immigrate to mexico, than back here? This guy from Maryland has the right idea.






Becoming Illegal (From a Maryland resident to his senator)

The Honorable Paul S. Sarbanes
Senate Office Building
309 Hart
Washington DC, 20510

Dear Senator Sarbanes,

As a native Marylander and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue
Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the
Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for
becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.

My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to
illegal alien stem from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and
for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's provisions is
accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five
years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and
income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I see
one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it
out.

Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes
every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes
in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be
illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my
family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.

Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency
room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums
for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a
year. Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter
would receive preferential treatment relative to her law school
applications, as well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges
throughout the United States for my son.

Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of
renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance
premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age
children driving my car.

If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal
(retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be
most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.

Your Loyal Constituent,

Pete McGlaughlin

ROFLCOPTER!!!!

My beloved state offers free education to illegals. Meanwhile I can't afford to go to school. I make too much money to even qualify for loans, sure I can go to college and pay for it now. But I'd really like to enroll in a program which requires:
a. daytime classes
b. 3/4 time enrollment minimum.

Which means I could only work part time, which means I couldn't afford it....

I'd like to renounce my citizenship as well.

how do you become an illegal?

cross the border into canada.

To start off with, most illegals working do, indeed, pay income taxes. Since a SS# is required to work and said taxes are automatically taken out, they end up paying taxes to whatever SS# they gave on the forms. They just never get any of that money back.
I pay SS tax too, and Medicare tax, and income tax, I don't get any of that back.

I pay SS tax too, and Medicare tax, and income tax, I don't get any of that back.

The claim is they take the max deductions they can without getting audited (I forget the number) I don't even know if that's true. That's just what they say.

Alot of the farm workers don't pay taxes because the farmers are paying illegal immigrants sub standard wages.

My beloved state offers free education to illegals.
And which state/law is this?

YOU know this is stupid

i wouldn't be so sure

I pay SS tax too, and Medicare tax, and income tax, I don't get any of that back.
Difference being you CAN file, they CAN'T without allerting the athorities to where they are. If your income brackets change, you might start getting returns. They're usually at the bottom brackets and should be getting tax returns, but can't file.

i wouldn't be so sure
You're right, I might be giving him too much credit.

I know this is stupid, YOU know this is stupid, but we'll go through point by point on just HOW stupid this is.I agree

To start off with, most illegals working do, indeed, pay income taxes. Since a SS# is required to work and said taxes are automatically taken out, they end up paying taxes to whatever SS# they gave on the forms. They just never get any of that money back.

Second, this isn't a tax holiday as proposed here, it would, in effect, tax people twice if they had been working and paying taxes during this time period (see point 1). first of, SS numbers are given to US citizens and those becoming citzens. Illegals won't have a SS number. Illegals would work for companies and those companies would get paid by their clients. then they would pay the illegal in Cash.

or the number given to the Government would be false. meaning the only taxes they would pay would be the ones taken directly out of their paycheck.

2) if they paid their taxes, then they don't have to pay it again. pay a $2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years.
which means only if they DIDN'T pay income taxes, they have to pay three from the past five years.

Oh boy, this old chestnut again. The laws state that anyone showing up at an emergency room MUST be treated, irregardless of status or ability to pay. This makes sense as people in emergency situations may have forgotten their passports for some reason, or might not have their wallet with a credit card handy (shocking, I know, but people having a heart attack might have other things on their mind). Hospitals due bill for the treatment of course, but illegals usually are good at hiding their addresses making it impossible to collect said money.

Said letter writer probably wants to keep his house, wherever it is, so this wouldn't work. He is, however, able to go to any emergency room and get treatment should he feel like it.

except most citizens would have insurance. The Free Emergency care is only enough to get you ambelatory. any hospital stays or further care will then be billed to the patient. And try to have a perscription filled out without Mecial insurance. you don't need to be an illegal tho. homeless people do this also.

Agree about the adress tho.

Bullshit. In-state is based upon residency. Illegals may gain residency in the state where they live, but for most colleges the in-state rate comes from graduating a state high school. An illegal alien graduate from California would be considered California resident because of graduating from a California school, he would not be considered Nevada resident, or Oregon, or Washington, Idaho, etc. Nor do illegals receive preferential treatment to law schools or graduate school (I think they are confusing minority status with illegal, but this is just proof in the pudding of the general tone of the email).Agreed

Bullshit again. Illegals don't get such free rides. It is, again, the problem of finding them if they don't give their address or change address without notifying the DMV. If they are stopped, they are arrested or charged the same as everyone else. Hell, you can do it too. Just abandon your home and migrate around. You can then stop renewing your license and paying insurance until you get into an accident.*nods* or some cop notices your expired tags, or saftey check then pulls you over...

Oh I can help him with that. He just needs to get to Canada or Mexico (or nation of his choice) go to the US Embassy there and renounce his citizenship before a consular and turn in his passport. All done. He won't be a US citizen any more. Of course he'd be an illegal in that country and the US won't let him back in without a valid passport, but hey, he has what he wants. Then he can live the fun life of not being able to take a good job, having to hide and move all the time, be unable to apply for many government services or benefits, and after 5 years of this, try to get his US citizenship back.sorry, won't work. Americans who say "I renounce my US Citizenship" and even burn their papers on National television would still be considered a US Citizen. their files will be still on record and those would still hold weight.

And which state/law is this?

Oregon. I'll go looking for an article, it's a state run social program. As for my inability to get financial aid that's a federal decision. I'm just a little sore that this state will offer certain classes of people extra help and not others.

BTW I am second generation legal in this country. My grandparents crossed the border.

I've also noticed the amount of job offers I've gotten have increased since I changed my name back to the ethnic family name. I have a real problem with that too. I'm just about ready to move out of this state forever. I hate the ideology of the people here.

Edit: they also offer OHP (medicaid) to illegal immigrants here. That is not even close to reasonable. Everyone has the right to healthcare, that's not my problem. With the over abundance of free clinics (which are quite good, I've used them myself) it's not neccessary in this state.

I first of, SS numbers are given to US citizens and those becoming citzens. Illegals won't have a SS number. Illegals would work for companies and those companies would get paid by their clients. then they would pay the illegal in Cash.

or the number given to the Government would be false. meaning the only taxes they would pay would be the ones taken directly out of their paycheck.
Second opption. A friend of mine who worked for INS (Back when it was INS) said that SS#s were traded around and about. Taxes were taken directly from the paycheck.

It should be noted that Nevada, having such a large service industry, operated more on that level than pay for play, cash directly.

However, it should also be noted that most illegals in the US are visa overstayers so they already HAVE a SS# (The US, being the US, taxes everyone who is in the US on anything other than a tourist visa. My wife has a SS#).

2) if they paid their taxes, then they don't have to pay it again.
which means only if they DIDN'T pay income taxes, they have to pay three from the past five years.
But if the number being used was a false one, how would they validate that they have been paying taxes?

except most citizens would have insurance. The Free Emergency care is only enough to get you ambelatory. any hospital stays or further care will then be billed to the patient. And try to have a perscription filled out without Mecial insurance. you don't need to be an illegal tho. homeless people do this also.

Agree about the adress tho.
Exactly.

sorry, won't work. Americans who say "I renounce my US Citizenship" and even burn their papers on National television would still be considered a US Citizen. their files will be still on record and those would still hold weight.
Nope, people can renouce their citizenship as long as they swear it in front of a consular of the US and the consular accepts it (They don't like doing so, but they do let people do it).
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

Here you go. (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/education/2002223319_tuition29m.html). It passed, looking for link. I don't know if it's been challenged. I stopped following the story. It made me too angry.

Second opption. A friend of mine who worked for INS (Back when it was INS) said that SS#s were traded around and about. Taxes were taken directly from the paycheck.

It should be noted that Nevada, having such a large service industry, operated more on that level than pay for play, cash directly.

However, it should also be noted that most illegals in the US are visa overstayers so they already HAVE a SS# (The US, being the US, taxes everyone who is in the US on anything other than a tourist visa. My wife has a SS#).and when they overstay, it will be flagged. so being caught is an eventuality... unless they obtain another SS#


But if the number being used was a false one, how would they validate that they have been paying taxes?Amnesty.


Nope, people can renouce their citizenship as long as they swear it in front of a consular of the US and the consular accepts it (They don't like doing so, but they do let people do it).
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html
and when they want it reinstated, a good lawyer and pay the fines, and poof, it will be as if you never left. tho you will have problems with past taxes...

This was explained by one of my friends working immigration. it's not quite a law, but more of a loophole.

Oregon. I'll go looking for an article, it's a state run social program. As for my inability to get financial aid that's a federal decision. I'm just a little sore that this state will offer certain classes of people extra help and not others.
I'd like to know because I can't find anything either. BTW, illegals can't get Federal student aid.

I'd like to know because I can't find anything either. BTW, illegals can't get Federal student aid.

That's why I said a state program. I posted the link to an article about it.

Here you go. (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/education/2002223319_tuition29m.html). It passed, looking for link. I don't know if it's been challenged. I stopped following the story. It made me too angry.
Uh... it's not free education, it's in-state tutition for illegal children who have been attending Oregon high schools for three years and working towards US residency. In other words, it's the same tuition break you're getting as a resident of Oregon, but only if they're trying to become legal.

and when they overstay, it will be flagged. so being caught is an eventuality... unless they obtain another SS#
If they stop turning in a tax return... And of course assuming USCIS does its job, which it isn't.

Amnesty.
And where was that in the bill? Because I never saw it there.

and when they want it reinstated, a good lawyer and pay the fines, and poof, it will be as if you never left. tho you will have problems with past taxes...

This was explained by one of my friends working immigration. it's not quite a law, but more of a loophole.
I didn't say that you couldn't get back in, but you can renouce it. However, yes, the US just passed a law to say you have to keep paying taxes in the US even if you have renouced it.

If they stop turning in a tax return... And of course assuming USCIS does its job, which it isn't.this I will say... Slow they may be... but they will find it... :D


And where was that in the bill? Because I never saw it there.it's bascially a "Get away with it." they prove that they paid their taxes (from the paychecks) and they handle the difference. (if any.) and in return, another SS# is taken out of circulation... after it's been investigated to see if others are using it.

Uh... it's not free education, it's in-state tutition for illegal children who have been attending Oregon high schools for three years and working towards US residency. In other words, it's the same tuition break you're getting as a resident of Oregon, but only if they're trying to become legal.

I'm still looking, in all fairness that might have been been the only part that passed. This wasn't voted on by the citizens. There is no checks an balances for the working on residency thing either. That was supposed to be a qualification for OHP as well. I worked in the insurance industry, there wasn't. This state has no buisness doing this. There is no money for it. They have been syphoning off money from state funded schools for years making tuition more expensive for all. The state needs to take care of it's own citizens before focusing on others.

I live in a state where it's not uncommon to see help wanted signs in the mall in Spanish only. Look, I'm not speaking out of school. I've refused many job offers because they offered it too me only because of my last name.

I've had white people here berate me for saying truisms about my culture. Things I'm proud of. Things that ::they:: see as offensive, but in no way do other Mexicans see as offensive. I've been told I can't refer to myself as Mexican, that it's offensive, I'm sorry that's my country of origin and I'm proud of it.

I live in a state where it's not uncommon to see help wanted signs in the mall in Spanish only. Look, I'm not speaking out of school. I've refused many job offers because they offered it too me only because of my last name.
And I see many help wanted signs in English (Rather humorus English, but that's beside the point) and I live in a country that not only has a national language, but has far, FAR fewer immigrants than the US does.

I've had white people here berate me for saying truisms about my culture. Things I'm proud of. Things that ::they:: see as offensive, but in no way do other Mexicans see as offensive. I've been told I can't refer to myself as Mexican, that it's offensive, I'm sorry that's my country of origin and I'm proud of it.
Uh... ok... I'm not sure of the point here.

And I see many help wanted signs in English (Rather humorus English, but that's beside the point) and I live in a country that not only has a national language, but has far, FAR fewer immigrants than the US does.
It's not right in your county, just like it's not right here. They do it [here] because they hire illegal Mexicans under the table. Pay them cash only don't report them as employees so they can pay them $2/hr. Which they don't pay taxes on.

Uh... ok... I'm not sure of the point here.
Point is I live in a state where I get favored for employment because of my name, which at the same time calls me un-PC for not being okay with the disparity in treatment or my thoughts on my culture. I get told "welcome aboard, I'm glad we can add your ethnic flavor to our company [turned down all those jobs]," yet I'm berated by the same people for calling myself Mexican. I live in a state that give illegal immigrants medicaid, pretty good program we have here too. Yet my insurance deductible is $5,000.

My point is this state needs to stop trying to be so "PC" and start caring for it's own citizens before it worries about the illegal ones.

Difference being you CAN file, they CAN'T without allerting the athorities to where they are. If your income brackets change, you might start getting returns. They're usually at the bottom brackets and should be getting tax returns, but can't file.

if they have a valid (legal) social security number they can file for a return, in fact they can file for a return with a TIN (tax id number, for non-citizens). If they have a SS number they also get EIC, when I worked for a commercial tax office they would come in, claim they got paid in cash and they all made the same amount, a round number, curiously at the peak of EIC, weird how that worked? not really. They didn't pay anything in, and yet they are getting 6K back........interesting.

If for some reason they can't file, it's because they don't have a legal number, which means they are working illegally and guess what? they aren't paying any taxes at all, but still get all kinds of services.


Edit: and I don't get a refund because I am not stupid enough to pay in more than I owe and let the government hold my money interest free.

Edit: and I don't get a refund because I am not stupid enough to pay in more than I owe and let the government hold my money interest free.
as one of those stoopid people... :D

I say it's nice... kinda like a bonus. and I don't have to worry about saving up enough to pay for my taxes.

how do you become an illegal?

cross the border into canada.

I believe you do not become illegal in Canada until after either 6mo or 1yr of not filing documentation and for not going home at some point in that period. Plus Canada takes everyone. Don't believe there is a term in the Canadian dictionary for illegal immigrants. It is replaced by state sponsored voters I believe.

as one of those stoopid people... :D

I say it's nice... kinda like a bonus. and I don't have to worry about saving up enough to pay for my taxes.

with a little pre-planning you can adjust your W-4 to cover your taxes and your tax prep fee and take the rest of the money you would be spending on withholding and put it in a money market and get a real bonus. [/free financial advice]

Edit: and I don't get a refund because I am not stupid enough to pay in more than I owe and let the government hold my money interest free.

It's not that I'm stupid, I just can't manage to save money.:D

Actually that does make me stupid. Kinda.

It's not that I'm stupid, I just can't manage to save money.:D

Actually that does make me stupid. Kinda.

I don't have to save money, I have exactly the amount withheld that I owe, my refund last year was $7 I do like to give myself a little wiggle room. It was nice you get a $7 direct deposit though.....fun fun.

I'm just going to throw this out there, what exactly is the benefit of being an illegal immigrant?

I'm just going to throw this out there, what exactly is the benefit of being an illegal immigrant?


You can criminally enter the US. You can demand rights which other people don't get. You can have people cater to you, and pander to your every whim, etc.

You can criminally enter the US. You can demand rights which other people don't get. You can have people cater to you, and pander to your every whim, etc.

Yeah, but you're going to be stuck in a dead-end, minimum wage job in some ghetto for your whole life. Doesn't sound like a very good trade.

minimum wage job

Or sub-minimum wage job, because your employer doesn't have to obey the law - she knows you have no recourse.

Something like half of "illegal" immigrant workers have had pay illegally withheld from them for essentially that reason.

Or sub-minimum wage job, because your employer doesn't have to obey the law - she knows you have no recourse.

Something like half of "illegal" immigrant workers have had pay illegally withheld from them for essentially that reason.

Yes, it's very bad, especially in seasonal employment where their ability to address abuses is even more limited than it is in other jobs.

Yeah, but you're going to be stuck in a dead-end, minimum wage job in some ghetto for your whole life. Doesn't sound like a very good trade.

Not really. They make LOTS of money cutting grass, and the ones that are criminally inclined make more through crime.

Cutting grass I made 600-700 a week. And that was the lower ranking pay. The families that have illegally gotten here rent one house, pack EVERYONE into it, etc. if you see 10 cars parked in front of a house that stay there, you can bet it's an illegal household.

I'm just going to throw this out there, what exactly is the benefit of being an illegal immigrant?

from what i hear, they have it even better than black people. when oh when will the brutal oppression of our socially dominant group stop?

from what i hear, they have it even better than black people. when oh when will the brutal oppression of our socially dominant group stop?

It is high time Whitey got a fair shake!

I do believe this same thread was done by Wilgrove a couple of days ago.:rolleyes:

from what i hear, they have it even better than black people. when oh when will the brutal oppression of our socially dominant group stop?

Please tell me that's ill gotten sarcasm.

I'm to tired to sort it out right now.

Not really. They make LOTS of money cutting grass, and the ones that are criminally inclined make more through crime.

Cutting grass I made 600-700 a week. And that was the lower ranking pay. The families that have illegally gotten here rent one house, pack EVERYONE into it, etc. if you see 10 cars parked in front of a house that stay there, you can bet it's an illegal household.

Most illegals don't pull in that kind of money. People hire them and pay them sub-standard wages because they're willing to work for that. Also, a vast amount of their money goes back to their family in Mexico to support them. That's why they come here to begin with. Family is #1 importance to Mexicans.