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A school where a student recorded his teacher saying that if you don't believe in Jesus you'll burn in hell, the Big Bang and Evolution are unscientific and Jesus is the only way into heaven has made sure this problem won't ever happen again. They've made rules against student's recording their teachers. The constitution is saved!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/nyregion/01tape.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

This is a pretty fucked up thing for the school to do. Now we'll never have audio recordings of this evidence that the teacher in question hasn't learned his lesson.

Meanwhile, Matthew said that Mr. Paszkiewicz recently told the class that scientists who spoke about the danger of global warming were using tactics like those Hitler used, by repeating a lie often enough that people come to believe it.

Why is an American History teacher spreading propaganda about global warming?

The Soviets would've been pretty damn proud of that school. Maybe Putin still has a few old Order of Lenin medals lying around to give the judges and administrators.

A school where a student recorded his teacher saying that if you don't believe in Jesus you'll burn in hell, the Big Bang and Evolution are unscientific and Jesus is the only way into heaven has made sure this problem won't ever happen again. They've made rules against student's recording their teachers. The constitution is saved!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/nyregion/01tape.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

This is a pretty fucked up thing for the school to do. Now we'll never have audio recordings of this evidence that the teacher in question hasn't learned his lesson.

Why is an American History teacher spreading propaganda about global warming?
Shouldn't the question be: Why is that idiot teaching at all?

Mr. Garrison moved up to high school. Wow, first Il Douche running the country into the ground and now this...

If it were me, and one of my teachers were preaching the way that guy was, I don't think I'd be following any rules about asking for permission. I mean, really.

And the teacher is still teaching? They didn't fire him? Sheesh.

An earlier article (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/18/nyregion/18kearny.html?ex=1324098000&en=07af8b7caf3a13cc&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss) gave this quote:

“If you reject his gift of salvation, then you know where you belong,” Mr. Paszkiewicz was recorded saying of Jesus. “He did everything in his power to make sure that you could go to heaven, so much so that he took your sins on his own body, suffered your pains for you, and he’s saying, ‘Please, accept me, believe.’ If you reject that, you belong in hell.”


Yeah, I've heard that in school before...when I was attending a Lutheran private school. This poor kid.

Teacher: "The Scriptures aren't religion"

Student: "They're not?"

Teacher: "The Scriptures are at the foundation of the world's religions."

:rolleyes:

My favorite bit: "School officials said they took 'corrective action' against Mr. Paszkiewicz, but would not elaborate." What, they said, "Lay off the Jesus stuff for a while, okay? Maybe something about Global warming and Hitler. Everyone hates Hitler, who could complain?"

Now, hang on a minute. The school/administrators are guilty of being cowards at best. The reason, as stated within the article, for the ban is because other students complained that their voices and likenesses were being played on the 'net and on TV. Those who complained have a legitimate (if intolerably whiny) complaint. The school was covering its OWN ass with the ban, not the inappropriate teacher's.

Depending on how long that particular nutjob had been teaching, "corrective action" could be anything from mandatory traiing to a bit of vacation with or without pay.

Honestly, kids today are insanely oversensitive -- I had history teachers and others in the social studies area constantly letting their own personal beliefs into classroom lectures and discussions. We just ignored whatever we didn't like or attempted debate when we felt we could try and hold our own. Hell, sometimes I was ASKED by my peers to engage out US History teacher in 11th grade because they knew I could do it -- when I did, there was a good chance he'd forget to collect homework or give out a test. It sharpened our debate skills and exposed us to far more points of view than we'd have heard otherwise (i.e. from our peers).

Instead of whining like a little bitch, the kid should have called the teacher on his horseshit and held court with legitimate arguments. It's a lot more fun and (most importantly) leaves the damned lawyers out of it. Seems to me that if you go running to lawyers ALL the time, you don't learn anything other than that as a response to objectionable crap. I'm fairly certain Ben Frankin and Thomas Paine would find that repellant.

But hey, that's just my opinion. And let me add that in no way do I defend the teacher in question. He's a wanker.

My favorite bit: "School officials said they took 'corrective action' against Mr. Paszkiewicz, but would not elaborate." What, they said, "Lay off the Jesus stuff for a while, okay? Maybe something about Global warming and Hitler. Everyone hates Hitler, who could complain?"

Aww, who could hate Hitler? He was just a big cuddly teddy woogums.

I'd say they probably just transferred the teacher to another district. That's usually what happens to bad teachers here.

Does anyone else find it ironic that this guy was teaching accelerated U.S. history? Did he ever actually read the Constitution of the United States?

Now, hang on a minute. The school/administrators are guilty of being cowards at best. The reason, as stated within the article, for the ban is because other students complained that their voices and likenesses were being played on the 'net and on TV. Those who complained have a legitimate (if intolerably whiny) complaint. The school was covering its OWN ass with the ban, not the inappropriate teacher's.

Depending on how long that particular nutjob had been teaching, "corrective action" could be anything from mandatory traiing to a bit of vacation with or without pay.

Honestly, kids today are insanely oversensitive -- I had history teachers and others in the social studies area constantly letting their own personal beliefs into classroom lectures and discussions. We just ignored whatever we didn't like or attempted debate when we felt we could try and hold our own. Hell, sometimes I was ASKED by my peers to engage out US History teacher in 11th grade because they knew I could do it -- when I did, there was a good chance he'd forget to collect homework or give out a test. It sharpened our debate skills and exposed us to far more points of view than we'd have heard otherwise (i.e. from our peers).

Instead of whining like a little bitch, the kid should have called the teacher on his horseshit and held court with legitimate arguments. It's a lot more fun and (most importantly) leaves the damned lawyers out of it. Seems to me that if you go running to lawyers ALL the time, you don't learn anything other than that as a response to objectionable crap. I'm fairly certain Ben Frankin and Thomas Paine would find that repellant.

But hey, that's just my opinion. And let me add that in no way do I defend the teacher in question. He's a wanker.

I agree, except for the last part. I went through public high-school and all the teachers put their personal opinions in their teaching. Well, most did. Those that didn't were gym teachers (there's nothing much controversial there) and/or bad teachers.

And guess what, if we complained, we were told that the teacher was merely introducing us to new ideas. They might have corrected the teacher about the method (tone and such), but not about giving out the ideas.

And that was the only thing the administration in that school district did correctly.

Who the hell cares if you;re recorded...nobody is going to find you.

If I were the kid, I would keep recording her and dumping the recordings on the internet using an anonomyzed IP.

*snip for brevity*
Fine, the kid's a whiner (as are the ones who complained about having their voices broadcast on the internet and TV), the teacher's a wanker. Teachers are still authority figures in school and some kids - not as articulate and eloquent as yourself - might not feel up to challenging one in class. We really don't know what the atmosphere was in that classroom or the school. The kid said he didn't think the school's administration would believe him, which might be a hint. And I don't see how the school's at fault if one of the kids tapes a class, but yes, their collective ass is now nicely covered.

Aww, who could hate Hitler? He was just a big cuddly teddy woogums.

I'd say they probably just transferred the teacher to another district. That's usually what happens to bad teachers here.

Does anyone else find it ironic that this guy was teaching accelerated U.S. history? Did he ever actually read the Constitution of the United States?
The Constitution, that's just a guideline, you know, a bunch of suggestions. I'm sure there's a signing statement somewhere saying so.

I agree, except for the last part. I went through public high-school and all the teachers put their personal opinions in their teaching. Well, most did. Those that didn't were gym teachers (there's nothing much controversial there) and/or bad teachers.

And guess what, if we complained, we were told that the teacher was merely introducing us to new ideas. They might have corrected the teacher about the method (tone and such), but not about giving out the ideas.

And that was the only thing the administration in that school district did correctly.

I'm in high school right now, and not many of my teachers seem to tell my classes their opinions to us, unless they're making a joke or just making a side comment and NOT "teaching" it to us. Plus, I generally don't pay enough attention in class anyway to listen to what they're saying.

On the other hand, my younger sister is a complete geek and takes notes - sometimes records - every little quote her teachers say, and talks about school with her friends and our family. I hear a lot about what she's saying. An example is that one of her teachers thinks (and teaches this like it were a fact) that all the bums in America should just be shipped off to this one country (I forget which one). My sister claims that it encourages discussion in class and somethingsomething, blah blah blah, whatever the reason it is, and the teacher doesn't even TELL THEM it's his opinion! He tells the class that that's how it SHOULD be. (And he doesn't just talk about getting rid of our poor people. There's some other propaganda I'm forgetting at the moment.) But my parents think it's nonsense and completely rude for the teacher to be teaching his students what he thinks should be right as if it were fact. And I'm with them on this.

(I haven't heard any recordings of that teacher, though, because personally, I don't care.)

So, how would banning the use of recorders in classrooms HELP students' education? It's just ... odd, mean, unfair, I don't know. It worsens our education. Recorders can help us learn big time, especially if our ears or memories aren't in a very good shape... or if we just need some evidence for a good case! =) *Shrugs*

A school where a student recorded his teacher saying that if you don't believe in Jesus you'll burn in hell, the Big Bang and Evolution are unscientific and Jesus is the only way into heaven has made sure this problem won't ever happen again. They've made rules against student's recording their teachers. The constitution is saved!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/nyregion/01tape.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

This is a pretty fucked up thing for the school to do. Now we'll never have audio recordings of this evidence that the teacher in question hasn't learned his lesson.



Why is an American History teacher spreading propaganda about global warming?

Well...I guess that's how they do it over there in America. They banned cameras and camera phones in Abu Ghraib after pictures of soldiers sexually abusing iraqi prisoners were in the papers.

...told students that evolution and the Big Bang were not scientific, that dinosaurs were aboard Noah’s ark and that only Christians had a place in heaven.

...

Meanwhile, Matthew said that Mr. Paszkiewicz recently told the class that scientists who spoke about the danger of global warming were using tactics like those Hitler used, by repeating a lie often enough that people come to believe it.

wow.
there's some really stupid things happening in america.

wow.
there's some really stupid things happening in america.

Apparently not only here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12280984&postcount=21). :p

Apparently not only here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12280984&postcount=21). :p

oi! father jack is hilarious! :D


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40828000/jpg/_40828265_fatherjack.jpg
"more water" :p

A similar thing happened in one of our classes except becuase the girl in question sent the recording out by e-mail with the caption "we need to use what we can against our teachers" she was suspended for a week and removed from the advanced program she was in. Nobody got the fact that it was a joke.

I am George Dubya Bush, and I support this school.

IMO the kid did just the right thing, but of course the people turned away from the real problem, which is talking about religious bullshit in a History class, to recording your teacher. Hooray.