NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

What'd you think about it? I think we should consider looser borders and better relations with Canada and Mexico, but not total union.

Total union = Bullshit.

Sorry, I got scared by the picture of Robert Novak and Ann Coulter that was on the page next to the article. :eek:

I honestly don't see this happening politically, but NAFTA certainly made a start on the economic front.

I've always thought that our three nations should merge into one awesome nation. I think it would be more like a federation, though, instead of one centralised state.

Though Mexico + Canada wouldn't benefit the military very much. A downside would be the slight downward curve our economy would take. Not TOO much though.

Open borders would probably mean more illegal smuggling and such, but otherwise, free immigration from countries linked to us is a good thing.:D

Though Mexico + Canada wouldn't benefit the military very much. A downside would be the slight downward curve our economy would take. Not TOO much though.

Ah, but think of the influx of workers we'd get from integrating Mexico into the country, and the technological benefit we'd get from the highly-educated Canadians.

No.

Canada won't join the US without Mexico, and we won't with Mexico either.

You can keep the EPA, thanks.

Ah, but think of the influx of workers we'd get from integrating Mexico into the country, and the technological benefit we'd get from the highly-educated Canadians.

Yes... cheap labor. We'd give those damn chinese factories a run for their money!

Yes... cheap labor. We'd give those damn chinese factories a run for their money!

Accept it will no longer be cheap labor, because the mexican workers will be here legaly and can demand that the companies actualy follow labor laws.

Individual American and Mexican states should feel free to apply to join Confederation at any time. Just get used to seeing the Queen on your bills. And watching the CBC.

I'm guessing the North American Union will be official once the Leafs win the Stanley Cup.

I think its a marvellous idea, but there's just too much racism and... well, for lack of a better word, greed in the US for them to ever consider merging with Mexico.

Oh not this shit again.

Look, if we can just take the Mexicans but leave out the yanks, it might just work. As long as Canada legalises slavery.

I''m American just so all you know.


Mexico already gets money from the US, it would not benefit US anyhow to make a union. In fact, it would totally ruin the United States economy. However, a trading and treasury union would be utmost valuable between the United States and Canada. Any other union with Canada would fail, especially when it comes to foreign policy. The United States and Canada, first of all, should have a joint monetary unit. It could even be called the Dollar, since both the United States and Canada uses dollars.

Also, The United States and Canada should have lesser import and export taxes. There are many other things the two countries can do, that I haven't mentioned, that would benefit both countries.

A full-fledged union like the European Union, is a horrible idea also.

I think its a marvellous idea, but there's just too much racism and... well, for lack of a better word, greed in the US for them to ever consider merging with Mexico.

I suppose you mean the cultures are inconsistent? Mexico's family culture vs. the US's (western) more individual culture?

After the Federal governments of the US, Canada and Mexico dissolve under crushing pressure from the European Entente, the Sino-Japanese Dominion and the Indo-Iranian Association; the Provinces and States will decide that economic union is no longer sufficient and will form the Western Confederation around 2134, based on the Helvetic Confederation but with tacos and poutine.

I would be against this.

I think smaller countries are necessary, not larger ones.

Since when has "spreading freedom" had the desired effect?

I would be against this.

I think smaller countries are necessary, not larger ones.

Hey, that's what I was going to say!

I''m American just so all you know.


Mexico already gets money from the US, it would not benefit US anyhow to make a union. In fact, it would totally ruin the United States economy. However, a trading and treasury union would be utmost valuable between the United States and Canada. Any other union with Canada would fail, especially when it comes to foreign policy. The United States and Canada, first of all, should have a joint monetary unit. It could even be called the Dollar, since both the United States and Canada uses dollars.

Also, The United States and Canada should have lesser import and export taxes. There are many other things the two countries can do, that I haven't mentioned, that would benefit both countries.

A full-fledged union like the European Union, is a horrible idea also.

yeah... like the NAFTA deal where the USA screw us over 1 billions dollars in illegal tariffs on softwood lumber. Any trade union should have a built-in way to resolve disputes and force the governments to enforce the ruling. Not like the USA did on wood.

I don't think Canada would be for a union with the big bully that steals from us and demand we stick to a treaty they forget the minute it is signed.

Since when has "spreading freedom" had the desired effect?

I know! They should change 'freedom' to 'herpes' if they really want success.

I know! They should change 'freedom' to 'herpes' if they really want success.

Herpes spreads quite well without any governmental help. :eek:

Herpes spreads quite well without any governmental help. :eek:

Yeah but imagine how well it'd do WITH governmental help!

Or just taking credit for something that worked might be attractive :P

Yeah but imagine how well it'd do WITH governmental help!

Or just taking credit for something that worked might be attractive :P

Nah, the givernment would probably fuck it up and discover a cure.

I know! They should change 'freedom' to 'herpes' if they really want success.

Herpes spreads quite well without any governmental help. :eek:

Yeah but imagine how well it'd do WITH governmental help!

Or just taking credit for something that worked might be attractive :P

Nah, the givernment would probably fuck it up and discover a cure.

Oh. My. God. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516535)

Nah, the givernment would probably fuck it up and discover a cure.

Well, then it sounds like we ought to get lobbying the goverment to take charge of spreading herpes, doesn't it?;)

NO NEVER!!! Joining the US would lower our standard of living, everything from education to health care would suffer.... and no linkage of the dollars, the US dollar value is an illusion the US debt is something we don't need...there is no upside to a union with the USA for Canada...

There was me thinking we were about to have a Turtledove thread. No matter.

There was me thinking we were about to have a Turtledove thread. No matter.
About which series?

About which series?

I think just Turtledove in general; the whole "what if" thing.

As a secessionist, I think it is fairly obvious what my opinion on creating bigger political units might be. And that, of course, is that I'm opposed to it. This union would result in less accountability in political figures (not that they're accountable anyway), more bureaucracy, more regulation and less competition between nations as everything is "harmonized." In sum, this idea is an abomination and must be stopped.

PReferably just with Canada...:)

Not likely. The American dollar is going to implode someday. Why would Canada want to tie themselves to that?

Not likely. The American dollar is going to implode someday. Why would Canada want to tie themselves to that?

We're already tied to it, if you haven't noticed the big ass economic ankle shackles between us and the Americans. They go down, we go down.

Hey, that's what I was going to say!

Sorry. ;)

I like the idea, but the AMERICAN public would not allow it.

And in the case that they did, I wouldn't want a whole new state, I'd want an alliance. So #3 and #4.

We're already tied to it, if you haven't noticed the big ass economic ankle shackles between us and the Americans. They go down, we go down.

Sure. But in the revisionist society that follows(and the interim), Canada would have enough sustainable resources to feed clothe and shelter ourselves. The Americans wouldnt.

They specialize in the export of intellectual properties and organizational systems in exchange for money, which is used to import materials and victuals. Most everything that they mine, grow and manufacture are used internally, and its still not enough for 300 million people.


The double whammy of peak oil and a hyper inflating dollar suddenly being deemed untrustworthy worldwide will render the bulk of the American populace inert within their own borders. Those stuck outside will, without the good will and charity of their hosts, become unwilling colonists.

Or, you know, we can just wait until China invades Alaska, for oil. Then the US will annex Canada, for oil. After which, I'll have an excuse to bust out my power armor and then kick some ass, Mad Max style.

Or, you know, we can just wait until China invades Alaska, for oil. Then the US will annex Canada, for oil. After which, I'll have an excuse to bust out my power armor and then kick some ass, Mad Max style.

That would own, except for the vault running out of water and the whole supermutants crap.

That would own, except for the vault running out of water and the whole supermutants crap.

I'll just swipe Bakersfield's one. And the mutants? I've got power armor! All I'd need is clear out the one guy's farmhouse and I'll have the .223 pistol. Mutants. Peh.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

What'd you think about it? I think we should consider looser borders and better relations with Canada and Mexico, but not total union.

Union with Americans? No. Union with Americans and Mexicans? Fuck no!!

Sorry. ;)

At least someone else doesn't think that large countries are necessarily a good thing.

The time for incorporating Mexico was in 1848, when the Democrats (!) wanted to annex the entire country rather than settling for the territories specified in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Today--no way. America for America, Mexico for Mexicans, Canada for Canadians.

I have no desire to associate more closely with the United States. No desire at all.