NationStates Jolt Archive


martial law emposed in Somalia

PsychoticDan
31-01-2007, 18:28
How stupid is our administration? If there was ever a reason to send some aid to the region, now is the time.

MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) -- Somalia's interim government has begun imposing martial law in areas under its control, the prime minister said, as rising violence threatens its tenuous grip on power.

A curfew was imposed Tuesday night on the southern Somalia town of Baidoa, as Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi warned that remnants of an ousted Islamic movement have returned to the towns and are planning to destabilize the lawless country.

"From now on the martial law would be implemented across government-controlled areas, starting with Baidoa tonight," Gedi told government-controlled radio late Tuesday.

The three-month emergency law was announced on January 13 but was not implemented.

African leaders meeting in neighboring Ethiopia have failed to make up a shortfall of 4,000 troops for a peacekeeping mission to Somalia, and fears are mounting that Somalia could again be plunged into civil war without a peacekeeping force.

Since the Islamic movement was ousted by Somali government troops backed by Ethiopian soldiers, tanks and war planes, factional violence has again become a feature of life in the Somali capital, Mogadishu.

But Ethiopia has begun withdrawing its forces, with diplomats warning it could create a power vacuum that Islamic fighters could take advantage of.

On Tuesday night, unknown gunmen attacked Ethiopian bases on the northeastern outskirts of the capital with rocket-propelled grenades. No civilians were hurt by the Ethiopian who returned the fire with anti-aircraft missiles, businessman Koge Omar said.

Also Tuesday, extremists in Somalia have warned that they would try to kill any peacekeepers deployed to the war-ravaged country.

In a videotape posted on the official Web site of Somalia's routed Islamic movement Tuesday, a hooded gunman read a statement saying that any African peacekeepers would be seen as invaders. (Full story)

So far five nations -- Uganda, Nigeria, Malawi, Burundi and Ghana -- have pledged around 4,000 troops.

"Somalia is not a place where you will earn a salary -- it is a place where you will die," one militant, carrying an assault rifle and dressed in military fatigues said in the warning to the peacekeepers. "The salary you are seeking will be used to transport your bodies." Five other hooded gunmen were visible, armed with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades.

"We will not be intimidated," the top U.S. diplomat for Africa, Jendayi Frazer, told reporters at the African Union summit where the peacekeeping force was being discussed.

"Obviously, whenever you are going into a dangerous situation, it's prudent military planning to expect someone to attack you or your forces."

The United States has accused the Islamic group of sheltering suspects in the 1998 al Qaeda bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Osama Bin Laden has said Somalia is a battleground in his war on the West. The U.S. launched two airstrikes against fleeing Islamic fighters, although details of the attacks are unknown.

Somalia has not had an effective national government since 1991, when warlords overthrew dictator Mohammed Siad Barre and then turned on one another, throwing the country into anarchy.

A transitional government was formed in 2004 with U.N. help in hopes of restoring order. But it has struggled to assert authority.

If Somalia falls into the hands of and Islamic, Taliban style government, well, just look at a map:

http://www.theodora.com/maps/new8/middle_east.jpg

islamic extremists would have an easy rallying point for strikes into Saudi Arabia and other oil rich Arab countries as well as shipping lanes that run through the Red Sea. They could cause enough damage to drive the price of world oil up to never befor seen heights and criple the world economy.
Farnhamia
31-01-2007, 18:31
How stupid is our administration? If there was ever a reason to send some aid to the region, now is the time.



If Somalia falls into the hands of and Islamic, Taliban style government, well, just look at a map:

http://www.theodora.com/maps/new8/middle_east.jpg

islamic extremists would have an easy rallying point for strikes into Saudi Arabia and other oil rich Arab countries as well as shipping lanes that run through the Red Sea. They could cause enough damage to drive the price of world oil up to never befor seen heights and criple the world economy.

Okay, well, what aid would you propose sending? As for Saudi Arabia, they're already a theocracy and didn't they just raise the price of oil by cutting back production?
Drunk commies deleted
31-01-2007, 18:33
I could go for an empanada.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/115/empanadawh0.jpg
Isidoor
31-01-2007, 18:35
islamic extremists would have an easy rallying point for strikes into Saudi Arabia and other oil rich Arab countries as well as shipping lanes that run through the Red Sea. They could cause enough damage to drive the price of world oil up to never befor seen heights and criple the world economy.

it would also be a lot easier for the terrorists to bomb the pyramids :o
Zilam
31-01-2007, 18:35
Remember the last time (http://www.new-dream.de/image/wallpaper/film/black-hawk-down/black-hawk-02.jpg) we sent them aid?
PsychoticDan
31-01-2007, 18:36
Okay, well, what aid would you propose sending? As for Saudi Arabia, they're already a theocracy and didn't they just raise the price of oil by cutting back production?

The surrounding governments are trying to put together a peace keeping force but have come up short about 4,000 troops. I think we need to send some cash and some military aid to help them get this force together. I don't think we should send any soldiers as that woudl just antagonize the populations because Bush has made sure that everyone in the world hates us because he's so stupid.

Also, yeah they did, but I think that was involuntary. I think they have gone into terminal decline and can no longer keep up their production levels, but the price of oil could go into the hundreds of dollars per barrel if any successful attacks happen against Saudi oil infrastructure.
PsychoticDan
31-01-2007, 18:38
Remember the last time (http://www.new-dream.de/image/wallpaper/film/black-hawk-down/black-hawk-02.jpg) we sent them aid?

I don't think we should send soldiers. I think we need to support a regional solution.
PsychoticDan
31-01-2007, 18:39
I could go for an empanada.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/115/empanadawh0.jpg

yeah, I know. Impose...
Drunk commies deleted
31-01-2007, 19:03
yeah, I know. Impose...

It still made me hungry. I ate my lunch early.
PsychoticDan
31-01-2007, 19:12
It still made me hungry. I ate my lunch early.

*farts*
Psychotic Mongooses
31-01-2007, 23:21
Oh I'm sorry. Is no one fawning over how great it is to have the UIC out anymore? You know, the ones that actually had stability in the country?

And people wonder why groups like that are supported by the ordinary person on the street.....
PsychoticDan
31-01-2007, 23:46
Oh I'm sorry. Is no one fawning over how great it is to have the UIC out anymore? You know, the ones that actually had stability in the country?

And people wonder why groups like that are supported by the ordinary person on the street.....

How did they sustain that stability, though? The taliban maintained stability in Afghanistan.

I do understand your point, though. The administration's support for the warlords in Somalia is akin to our support for Saddam Hussein in the 80s and the Shah of Iran in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Our government is so religiously free market that they'll support any regime that will sell their shit including their land, resources and labor, on the open market regardless of the consequences.
Neu Leonstein
31-01-2007, 23:49
Funny that the parts of Somalia actually shown on your map are known as Puntland and Somaliland and aren't under control of the UIC, nor the Baidoa Gang. They're stable independent lands who just don't happen to be recognised yet by the UN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Somali_land_2007_01_12.png
Psychotic Mongooses
31-01-2007, 23:50
How did they sustain that stability, though?

How do most countries sustain stability? Through rule of the legal system.

Imposing stability is done through the gun, sustaining is not and cannot be.


After 15 years of chaos, anarchy and clan/warlord rule, they people lapped up what the UIC could give. Is it a shock now that stability is gone it's gone back to they way it used to be, and the people are already irritated with the 'governemnt'?
Icovir
31-01-2007, 23:53
If Somalia falls into the hands of and Islamic, Taliban style government, well, just look at a map...

Well, from people who've actually lived in Somalia for most of their lives and just recently moved there, I hope the Islamic Courts Union wins.
PsychoticDan
01-02-2007, 00:22
How do most countries sustain stability? Through rule of the legal system.

Imposing stability is done through the gun, sustaining is not and cannot be.


After 15 years of chaos, anarchy and clan/warlord rule, they people lapped up what the UIC could give. Is it a shock now that stability is gone it's gone back to they way it used to be, and the people are already irritated with the 'governemnt'?

No it isn't.
PsychoticDan
01-02-2007, 00:23
Funny that the parts of Somalia actually shown on your map are known as Puntland and Somaliland and aren't under control of the UIC, nor the Baidoa Gang. They're stable independent lands who just don't happen to be recognised yet by the UN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Somali_land_2007_01_12.png

I put there as a means of showing its proximity to the Middle east and Saudi Arabia in particular.