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The United States is set to overtake France in the next five years as the world's largest wine market...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/30012007/80-132/u-s-become-world-s-biggest-wine-market.html

Austa La Vista, France....:p

...............So?

...............So?

So why did you bother posting if that's all you were going to say? :rolleyes:

Hasta la vista. Spanish.

...............So?

No idea.
Maybe he thinks that quantity says something about quality. Or something. *shrugs*

Quantity doesn't equate to quality.

So why did you bother posting if that's all you were going to say? :rolleyes:

Because your point is moot (not even to mention unknown).

What's your point? That you sell more wine and therefor are better producers of the product?

The chinese market has the upper hand in the textile industry, but im sure you'll agree that it most certainly doesn't mean they make the best T-shirts.

So why did you bother posting if that's all you were going to say? :rolleyes:

Just taking a wild guess here, but maybe its because this in unsurprising, given America's population size compared to France's.

Just taking a wild guess here, but maybe its because this in unsurprising, given America's population size compared to France's.
Exactly. As far as I can tell from the article, the US is set to overtake France as the world's largest wine market in terms of consumption.

OK... let's see here...

"U.S. still wine consumption would rise to 27.3 million hectolitres in 2010 from 23.0 million in 2005, exceeding French consumption, which is set to fall to 24.9 million hl from 27.4 million hl."

Right. And there's some 300 million Americans, while France's population is around 60 million...

*calculates furiously*

Yes, it seems the French will remain more drunk come 2010 than the Americans.

Great.

Just taking a wild guess here, but maybe its because this in unsurprising, given America's population size compared to France's.

Wasn't my intention to mention this argument but in a sense my "so what" comment could pretty much encompass the entire spectrum of a total lack of care for this subject.

Which reminds me...Holland sells more sigars than Cuba! Take that you commies!

Yes, I can barely contain the love I have in this nation of mine...

No idea.
Maybe he thinks that quantity says something about quality. Or something. *shrugs*

Do you deny that the USA makes some damned good Wine? That the USA doesn't have any "quality" wines?

California wines are more and more frequently winning awards over European wines. And since a fungus wiped out so many French vinyards a few decades ago, most French vinyards are full of California rootstock.

Biggest wine market on earth? I'll drink to that. Actually I'll drink to just about anything.

I only posted it for a couple of reasons...

1. It's News so get over yourselves.

and..

2. I just found it to be an interesting article considering how many years France has been the #1 there of...again I say, get over yourselves...

Do you deny that the USA makes some damned good Wine? That the USA doesn't have any "quality" wines?

I don't think I ever tried one.... I stick to Italian wines, mostly. And Austrian.

LINCOLN SHOT!

In shocking news today President Abraham Lincoln was shot while attending a play at Ford's Theater. While watching a showing of "Our American Cousin" President Lincoln was shot in the back of the head by oe John Wilkes Booth.



In other words you're posting the glaringly obvious like it's actual news.

Do you deny that the USA makes some damned good Wine? That the USA doesn't have any "quality" wines?

I'm not sure about his opinion, but I'm the first to agree that Californian wine is quite exellent and has a very agreeable price aswell attached to it.

My point however is more your line of argument that selling more of a product means that the quality is better.

Besides, as many have pointed out, its consumption and not the total sale of wine that the article speaks of. Which is a good thing...if you have to drink achohol why not enjoy wines?

Biggest wine market on earth? I'll drink to that. Actually I'll drink to just about anything.

I'll drink to that!

Do you deny that the USA makes some damned good Wine? That the USA doesn't have any "quality" wines?

Yes. Yes I do.

Some of the Californian reds and roses are passable, but no where near the quality of French or Italian wines. And as for the whites, the less said the better.

LINCOLN SHOT!

In shocking news today President Abraham Lincoln was shot while attending a play at Ford's Theater. While watching a showing of "Our American Cousin" President Lincoln was shot in the back of the head by oe John Wilkes Booth.



In other words you're posting the glaringly obvious like it's actual news.

Then maybe you should direct it to Reuters and Yahoo and inform them to stop writing articles that are "glaringly obvious like it's actual news" Hell maybe they ought to just get out of the news business since Khadgar doesn't think the obvious is actual news... :rolleyes:

Do you deny that the USA makes some damned good Wine? That the USA doesn't have any "quality" wines?What has that got to do with anything? Surely you are not claiming that Americans only drink wines made in the US of A..?

I think your article is good news to all wine producers around the world. Why did you post it, if I may ask? Got stock..?

Then maybe you should direct it to Reuters and Yahoo and inform them to stop writing articles that are "glaringly obvious like it's actual news" Hell maybe they ought to just get out of the news business since Khadgar doesn't think the obvious is actual news... :rolleyes:

And yet you still misunderstand. What is your point here? US wine is great because more of it gets drunk? The USA has more winos than other nations?

Do you deny that the USA makes some damned good Wine? That the USA doesn't have any "quality" wines?
I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I don't for a second deny that there are good wines produced in the US. Of course, that's all subjective, and what I like may be appalling to someone else, and vice versa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wine

The Europeans are just being snobs. American wines have outpreformed French wines in blind taste tests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wine

The Europeans are just being snobs. American wines have outpreformed French wines in blind taste tests.

As Rameria said, it's a matter of personal taste.

And yet you still misunderstand. What is your point here? US wine is great because more of it gets drunk? The USA has more winos than other nations?

I am not debating the fact of who has better wine. I simply posted an article that I found to be interesting. It is you people who are taking this all out of context.

The main reason I found it interesting is because France has always been the #1 Wine Market and now finally by 2010 they are getting replaced as #1 with the USA and Italy will remain the #2 in the Wine Market. That's all I did was post a fucking artcle from Yahoo and some NSG fanatics are have fucking strokes about it. I never claimed that the USA had the best tasting wines. I simply posted again I say a fucking article from Yahoo. I found it to be interesting and as for Khadger or whatever his/her name is claims its not newsworthy where as Yahoo and Reuters obviously disagree.

Why do some of you decide on attacking a simple "News" article. and then try to add words into my mouth I never said nor did I even think. Geez.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wine

The Europeans are just being snobs. American wines have outpreformed French wines in blind taste tests.

I'm pretty sure that Australian wines can be fantastic, too.
Interestingly enough, they're a bit of a rarety in Germany, but they seem all the rage here in Ireland. It's virtually impossible to find a good Italian wine here, though, let alone Austrian ones. :(

Oh, and they are fecking expensive, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wine

The Europeans are just being snobs. American wines have outpreformed French wines in blind taste tests.

Que?
I'm pretty sure that Australian wines can be fantastic, too.
Interestingly enough, they're a bit of a rarety in Germany, but they seem all the rage here in Ireland. It's virtually impossible to find a good Italian wine here, though, let alone Austrian ones. :(

Oh, and they are fecking expensive, too.

Just wait till they start making Irish wines.

Why do some of you decide on attacking a simple "News" article. and then try to add words into my mouth I never said nor did I even think. Geez.
I bet it was the "Austa La Vista, France....:p" part of your post that ticked people off. They don't know you have it there almost as a default.

Then maybe you should direct it to Reuters and Yahoo and inform them to stop writing articles that are "glaringly obvious like it's actual news" Hell maybe they ought to just get out of the news business since Khadgar doesn't think the obvious is actual news... :rolleyes:

The same respected folk who tell me there's a 30% chance of rain while it's pouring. Yes it's "news" but it doesn't make it any less idiotic. America only has about 30 times the population of France, to say nothing of the land area difference.

Que?



It seems to be Europeans in general that are protesting that American wines can't possible compete with French or Italians wines.

It seems to be Europeans in general that are protesting that American wines can't possible compete with French or Italians wines.

Ah, I understand. :)

The same respected folk who tell me there's a 30% chance of rain while it's pouring. Yes it's "news" but it doesn't make it any less idiotic. America only has about 30 times the population of France, to say nothing of the land area difference.Though 95% of American wine is produced in California, which would make California the fourth largest wine producing nation if it were its own country.

Que?


Just wait till they start making Irish wines.

Oh, dear god, no! Please no.

Stick to beer, increase the variety there a bit, but please don't make wine. :eek:

Oh, dear god, no! Please no.

Stick to beer, increase the variety there a bit, but please don't make wine. :eek:At one time England outproduced France in wine grapes, though it was centuries ago and the climate was different.

At one time England outproduced France in wine grapes, though it was centuries ago and the climate was different.

English wines on a comeback

English wine may be regarded as a bit of a joke by many, but it’s well worth taking it seriously. Quality has greatly improved over the last few years as more winemakers are making great improvements to the quality of their wines.

It’s the weather and size of its production that are England's viticultural weak points. As a result, the handful of small wineries tend to be situated in the ‘warmer’ southern counties. However, even here, it’s still generally too cold to consistently grow anything other than whites and these tend to be German varieties such as Seyval Blanc, Můller Thurgau and Bacchus that make crisp, fresh and fruity wines. There is also a small amount of light red wines produced, notably Germany’s Dornfelder and France’s Pinot Noir.


Some Chardonnays show promise, and the sweet wines can be good, displaying typical cool climate acidity. Sparkling wine too has done particularly well thanks to a soil and climate similar to Champagne’s, allowing successful growth of the three Champagne varieties.

As the Germanic varieties are not as well known as the likes of Chardonnay and Sauvignon Blanc, and because of higher production costs and therefore a relatively high price tag compared with say France or Italy, you may be put off. However, there are many examples of great wine production, so give them a try!

http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/drinkguide/wine/learnaboutwine/wineandcountries/wineandcountriesengland.htm?prevUrl=%2fsearch.htm%3fquery%3dEnglish%2bwine%26x%3d10%26y%3d4

I bet it was the "Austa La Vista, France....:p" part of your post that ticked people off. They don't know you have it there almost as a default.

Stupid me...I keep forgetting how only a few select are allowed to joke or kid and others are forbidded from doing so...

Oh, dear god, no! Please no.

Stick to beer, increase the variety there a bit, but please don't make wine. :eek:

I'm telling you, give it a few more years of global warming and D4 will buy up land everywhere and will be pumping out wine faster that it's residents can collect it(thus increasing their {self}percieved posh-ness)

English wines on a comeback



http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/drinkguide/wine/learnaboutwine/wineandcountries/wineandcountriesengland.htm?prevUrl=%2fsearch.htm%3fquery%3dEnglish%2bwine%26x%3d10%26y%3d4Cool. I wasn't aware of that. Though nowadays they're trying to grow them in some odd places. My parents used to live across the highway from a small vinyard. In central Texas. Though I suppose it's climate isn't too different from some parts of Italy except somewhat hotter in the summer.

I've never had american wine. Is it any good? Or did they mess it up like they did their beer?

English wines on a comeback



http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/drinkguide/wine/learnaboutwine/wineandcountries/wineandcountriesengland.htm?prevUrl=%2fsearch.htm%3fquery%3dEnglish%2bwine%26x%3d10%26y%3d4

How?
I mean, seriously, how?

Where in England would get vines enough sunshine and warnth for long enough to produce grapes that can be used to make wine?
Even Germany doesn't produce any wines North of the Main, because the climate is just too cold and rainy for it. And the wines produced along the Main (Wuerzburg area, mostly) have a reputation for being even more sour than the mentality of their producers....

I've never had american wine. Is it any good? Or did they mess it up like they did their beer?Believe me, we didn't manage to screw up the wine the way we did the beer.

But do at least understand how much hotter parts of the US are than it is over there. We also iced our tea.;)

I've never had american wine. Is it any good? Or did they mess it up like they did their beer?Following two hundred years of successes and failures, U.S. wine received international recognition at the historic Paris Wine Tasting of 1976. There, in a blind tasting conducted by leading of French wine experts, the French selected U.S. wines as the winners of the competition. In the white category, a California wine won not only first place, but three of the top four were from California. One of the first vintages from a new winery in California, Stag's Leap Wine Cellars, beat all contenders, including Château Mouton Rothschild, Château Montrose, Château Haut-Brion, and Château Leoville Las Cases.

Called "history's most important wine tasting" the Paris wine competition[1], shattered the myth of French wine superiority and revolutionized the world of wine.

Some critics suggested that the French red wines were too young and would outperform the California wines as they aged. However, two separate blind tastings were conducted on the tenth anniversary of the Paris event. In both cases California wines again took top honors. In The Wine Rematch of the Century on the 30th anniversary of the Paris wine competition, California wines increased their rankings significantly, winning the top five of ten ranks. Thus, they apparently aged better than their French competitors.


We're getting the hang of it. Though American beers never do well competing against anyone else.

Woooooo! Number one! Number one! Woooooooooooo!

:rolleyes: Pfft. So what? I don't care where the wine comes from as long as it's to my taste.

Now, if the U.S. managed to produce a decent beer (I know about the microbreweries and their stuff, but I'm talking grand scale!), now that would be newsworthy.

PS: Bitchkitten already mentioned the beer. Good job!

We've been on a wine kick for the past couple of years, starting when my wife was pregnant with our first child, even going so far as to buy the expensive imports in the local wine shop once a month for dinner. Living in the Texas Panhandle, the guy who runs the store said we were the first people besides him to buy a $50+ bottle in EIGHT YEARS. It's like he dances when he sees us, since he can flex himself and show off his wine knowledge. Apparantly most of his clientelle prefer their wine out of a box or paper bag, but he keeps them around because it's a personal hobby. Lucky us.

Most American wines seem to rely on one extreme or another, fruit or alcohol, fruit or alcohol. I've yet to find one with a proper balance, though there are some tasty ones out there.

French wines have been consistantly solid, even if a little too dry for my palate. My wife likes 'dry' wines, so when we go Frenchy she gets her pick of booze and I get to make the food, which is usually light pork for dry reds. And a glass of ice water to wash down the swill.

The one Italian wine we bought wasn't very good, but it had a Legion Eagle on the label so I bought it.

I still prefer beer and good bourbon to wine, any day, but I think my wife occasionally craves a little culture, so it's nice to pretend. And, the more we drink the more I enjoy it. ;)

Believe me, we didn't manage to screw up the wine the way we did the beer.

But do at least understand how much hotter parts of the US are than it is over there. We also iced our tea.;)

Following two hundred years of successes and failures, U.S. wine received international recognition at the historic Paris Wine Tasting of 1976. There, in a blind tasting conducted by leading of French wine experts, the French selected U.S. wines as the winners of the competition. In the white category, a California wine won not only first place, but three of the top four were from California. One of the first vintages from a new winery in California, Stag's Leap Wine Cellars, beat all contenders, including Château Mouton Rothschild, Château Montrose, Château Haut-Brion, and Château Leoville Las Cases.

Called "history's most important wine tasting" the Paris wine competition[1], shattered the myth of French wine superiority and revolutionized the world of wine.

Some critics suggested that the French red wines were too young and would outperform the California wines as they aged. However, two separate blind tastings were conducted on the tenth anniversary of the Paris event. In both cases California wines again took top honors. In The Wine Rematch of the Century on the 30th anniversary of the Paris wine competition, California wines increased their rankings significantly, winning the top five of ten ranks. Thus, they apparently aged better than their French competitors.


We're getting the hang of it. Though American beers never do well competing against anyone else.

Sounds all right. I've seen some californian wine at the store, I'll try it next time.
And ice-tea isn't bad, as long as it's not too sweet. But it never caught on over here, Iceland is too cold for that sort of thing.

Sounds all right. I've seen some californian wine at the store, I'll try it next time.
And ice-tea isn't bad, as long as it's not too sweet. But it never caught on over here, Iceland is too cold for that sort of thing.If you don't like the tea too sweet, don't ever ask for any in the American deep south. We drink it like syrup.

I'm from Texas, and it's HOT!

Sounds all right. I've seen some californian wine at the store, I'll try it next time.
Bear in mind that California produces a lot of different wines, so if the one you pick isn't to your liking, don't be afraid to try a different one.

If you don't like the tea too sweet, don't ever ask for any in the American deep south. We drink it like syrup.

I'm from Texas, and it's HOT!

I use sugar very rarely. Never in coffee (just coffeemate), never on cereal, etc... If I go to a restraunt and order sweet tea I usually ask them to mix it with unsweet 50/50. :)

If you don't like the tea too sweet, don't ever ask for any in the American deep south. We drink it like syrup.

I'm from Texas, and it's HOT!

I've never understood the american custom of sweetening everything. It's way too much for my tastes. Over here we are the same with liquorice, we put it in everything,except maybe coffee, but we've got liquorice tea, liquorice soda and most of the hard alcohol produced here is liquorice flavoured.

Bear in mind that California produces a lot of different wines, so if the one you pick isn't to your liking, don't be afraid to try a different one.
Thanks, I will. :)

Stupid me...I keep forgetting how only a few select are allowed to joke or kid and others are forbidded from doing so...

Except you weren't joking, and you weren't kidding.

You are the sort that, every time you see something that suggests america might do something better, or more frequently (including apparently something as trivial as consuming a liquid more than a nation 1/5 our size), you end up spewing hate at any other nation that isn't the USA while humming "America, Fuck Yeah!" to yourself

I've never understood the american custom of sweetening everything. It's way too much for my tastes. Over here we are the same with liquorice, we put it in everything,except maybe coffee, but we've got liquorice tea, liquorice soda and most of the hard alcohol produced here is liquorice flavoured. I'm bad about dumping either a ton of sugar, of garlic or of salt in everything. If I don't do one of those I dump picante sauce on it.

For those not in the know, picante is a mix of tomatos, garlic, onions, cilantro and jalapeno peppers. I hate bland food.

Well, maybe our lead over France in the best-tasting wine market isn't acknowledged, but our #1 spot in the 'shitty beer' arena remains uncontended.

Oh, and uh...Schwarzkatze all the way.

I only posted it for a couple of reasons...

1. It's News so get over yourselves.

and..

2. I just found it to be an interesting article considering how many years France has been the #1 there of...again I say, get over yourselves...

France apparently is still #1 per capita consumer ... your article just apparently says that our absolute volume is going up

California wines are more and more frequently winning awards over European wines. And since a fungus wiped out so many French vinyards a few decades ago, most French vinyards are full of California rootstock.

More than a few decades ago...1870's iirc...they used vines from Missouri and California. There are a few hectares of old vines in France. The only other region with French vines is in Bulgaria.

American wines are pretty damn nice... but there are some French that are unbeatable (Sauternes for example)...as there are some really very nice German wines. New Zealand make a fantastic Pinot Noir...South Africa and Australia also make good wines...but you have to understand that there is a massive difference between a quaffing wine and a classic (Petrus for exampe)...

I also don't understand why people are ragging on the OP. Bad form if you ask me.

/vonnersisawinefreak

Nationalism amuses me... :p

Californian wine is good, as is French and Italian. Israeli wine is fairly good too, even though I only have kosher wine once or twice a year.

My favorite though is most likely this Spanish wine I've enjoyed a few times... I believe the name is Sangre de Tauro, and its quite good.

First thought. Isn't the U.S. slightly larger than France? :p

Second thought. Califorina? Bah Humbug. All the good wine comes from Long Island, New York (http://www.liwines.com/)!

More than a few decades ago...1870's iirc...they used vines from Missouri and California. There are a few hectares of old vines in France. The only other region with French vines is in Bulgaria.

American wines are pretty damn nice... but there are some French that are unbeatable (Sauternes for example)...as there are some really very nice German wines. New Zealand make a fantastic Pinot Noir...South Africa and Australia also make good wines...but you have to understand that there is a massive difference between a quaffing wine and a classic (Petrus for exampe)...

I also don't understand why people are ragging on the OP. Bad form if you ask me.

/vonnersisawinefreak
Well it is slightly understandable ... a history of stiff necked nationalism with an attempt to justify such in another area based off of data that does not give a qualitative or even a reasonable quantitative assessment based on relative populations

Well it is slightly understandable ... a history of stiff necked nationalism with an attempt to justify such in another area based off of data that does not give a qualitative or even a reasonable quantitative assessment based on relative populations

Yeah...I have not read much of the OP before...so was not aware it was a gloating type thread...but even so it did not seem to be a topic to kick off on...ah well...

Yeah...I have not read much of the OP before...so was not aware it was a gloating type thread...but even so it did not seem to be a topic to kick off on...ah well...

It may have been a joke or a light hearted thing it is always possible ... and without clues and the posting history ...

Californian wine is good, as is French and Italian. Israeli wine is fairly good too, even though I only have kosher wine once or twice a year.

My favorite though is most likely this Spanish wine I've enjoyed a few times... I believe the name is Sangre de Tauro, and its quite good.

Isreali wine eh? Any info on that, can't say I've heard of it.

EDIT check this out, looks quite interesting http://www.stratsplace.com/rogov/israel/i_wine.html

Isreali wine eh? Any info onm that, can't say I've heard of it.
No?

It's well documented. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_at_Cana)

No?

It's well documented. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_at_Cana)

I mean't in modern times. You could be referring to an age regarded as pre - modern there ;)

Just wait till they start making Irish wines.

global warming for... teh win?

Except you weren't joking, and you weren't kidding.

You are the sort that, every time you see something that suggests america might do something better, or more frequently (including apparently something as trivial as consuming a liquid more than a nation 1/5 our size), you end up spewing hate at any other nation that isn't the USA while humming "America, Fuck Yeah!" to yourself

This response is completely off-topic, but here goes:

How is that any different from the people who automatically bash America every time it comes up in a post? How about the people frothing at the mouth shrieking that America can't possibly have any good wines, because it's AMERICA we're talking about. Or (to bring in a completely unrelated topic I saw recently) the people who claimed every woman in America was fat or ugly? I don't see you leaping up to chastise them for their comments.

Let's have some hypocrisy with our wine, shall we?

So? The United States is a much larger country and therefore has much more room for vinyards, so that's not surprising? And since when did producing a large amount of something make ist essentially better? Not being a wine connoisseur, I can't really pass judgement on the quality of either country's wines, but I'm pretty sure that there are some French wines that can't be beaten, and besides, Champagne is exclusively French (even more specifically from the Champagne region); at least according to Wayne's World it is... :rolleyes:

Cassandra: I don't believe I've ever had French champagne before...
Benjamin Kane: Oh, actually all champagne is French, it's named after the region. Otherwise it's sparkling white wine. Americans of course don't recognize the convention, so it becomes that thing of calling all of their sparkling white "champagne", even though by definition they're not.
Wayne Campbell: Ah yes, it's a lot like "Star Trek: The Next Generation". In many ways it's superior but will never be as recognized as the original.

Whoever said movies were uneducational?

I am not debating the fact of who has better wine. I simply posted an article that I found to be interesting. It is you people who are taking this all out of context.
You claim to think it's interesting, yet, I doubt you even comprehended it.

You do realise that when you start a thread with a link to an outside source you are required to accompany it with substantive commentary of some kind for it not to be considered spam? I dont see 'article states X' + 'nah, nah, nah at you France' as meeting this requirement.

The main reason I found it interesting is because France has always been the #1 Wine Market and now finally by 2010 they are getting replaced as #1 with the USA and Italy will remain the #2 in the Wine Market.
Or at least you think that's what the article states...
The article does not state (or even imply) that Italy will be #2 in the wine market, nor does it state that the US will be replacing France as the #1 wine market.

That's all I did was post a fucking artcle from Yahoo and some NSG fanatics are have fucking strokes about it.
What you did was post a thread that skirts if not actually violates the rules of the board, it's borderline or actual spam because you offered no substantive comments. Further all your comments indicate that you dont even comprehend the contents of the article you started the thread about.

I never claimed that the USA had the best tasting wines. I simply posted again I say a fucking article from Yahoo. I found it to be interesting and as for Khadger or whatever his/her name is claims its not newsworthy where as Yahoo and Reuters obviously disagree.
This is not a news report reporting and compilation site. It's a discussion board. Plenty of things published by news agencies are not worthy of their own discussion thread on NSG. If you think something is, then the onus is on you to accompany the link with substantive comment, you know something more than 'here's an article so nah, nah, nah at you France'.

Why do some of you decide on attacking a simple "News" article. and then try to add words into my mouth I never said nor did I even think. Geez.
No one did attack the article, they criticised you having near or actually spammed the board with your thread by linking to an article without making substantive comment or any point except perhaps 'nah, nah, nah at you France'. The comments you did make and have made since indicate that you probably do not comprehend the article anyway.

So you post a link without sufficient contribution of your own (ie your thread is either skirting or breaking the rules of the board), you appear not to understand what the linked to article states anyway, and the only commentary of your own is 'asta la vista France' (a comment that doesnt really make much sense if you actually comprehended the content of the linked to article).

Concluding that you have miscomprehended the article and think that you are having a dig at France to the benefit of the US by posting it is nearly inescapable. In fact I think if you actually comprehended the content of the article, you wouldnt have posted it. Your notion that you posted it because it was interesting in its own right (rather than serving a desire to either talk up the US or talk down France, or better still both at once) is undermined by your apparent lack of comprehension - it's interesting enough to post a whole thread about, but not interesting enough to take the effort to comprehend much less make any worthwhile comment on...? Yeah, sure, whatever....

What next a thread comparing the size of the US's and Sweden's disposable nappy markets? It's not particularly newsworthy to the extent that it needs a thread in the absence of any commentary or contribution on the part of the thread starter who apparently doesnt comprehend the content anyway and who's only interest in posting appears to be the mistaken notion that the article describes an instance of the US getting one up on France.

So? The United States is a much larger country and therefore has much more room for vinyards, so that's not surprising? And since when did producing a large amount of something make ist essentially better? Not being a wine connoisseur, I can't really pass judgement on the quality of either country's wines, but I'm pretty sure that there are some French wines that can't be beaten, and besides, Champagne is exclusively French (even more specifically from the Champagne region); at least according to Wayne's World it is... :rolleyes:
Cassandra: I don't believe I've ever had French champagne before...
Benjamin Kane: Oh, actually all champagne is French, it's named after the region. Otherwise it's sparkling white wine. Americans of course don't recognize the convention, so it becomes that thing of calling all of their sparkling white "champagne", even though by definition they're not.
Wayne Campbell: Ah yes, it's a lot like "Star Trek: The Next Generation". In many ways it's superior but will never be as recognized as the original.
Whoever said movies were uneducational?
As far as I can tell from the article, the US is predicted to surpass France in terms of consumption of wine (in absolute volume), not in terms of production. Someone please tell me if I'm wrong.

And you're quite right in that champagne is produced exclusively in the Champagne region of France. Everything else gets to be called sparkling wine, at least technically.

More than a few decades ago...1870's iirc...they used vines from Missouri and California. There are a few hectares of old vines in France. The only other region with French vines is in Bulgaria.

American wines are pretty damn nice... but there are some French that are unbeatable (Sauternes for example)...as there are some really very nice German wines. New Zealand make a fantastic Pinot Noir...South Africa and Australia also make good wines...but you have to understand that there is a massive difference between a quaffing wine and a classic (Petrus for exampe)...

I also don't understand why people are ragging on the OP. Bad form if you ask me.

/vonnersisawinefreak

Oops. Just trying to remember all that stuff Mom tells me. She's the wine freak. While I like a little wine occasionally, I prefer mixed drinks. I couldn't tell the difference between a $25 bottle and a $100 bottle if my life depended on it.


When I drink wine I prefer a sauvigon blanc for white and merlot for red. I don't have a terribly sophisticated palate.

Oops. Just trying to remember all that stuff Mom tells me. She's the wine freak. While I like a little wine occasionally, I prefer mixed drinks. I couldn't tell the difference between a $25 bottle and a $100 bottle if my life depended on it.


When I drink wine I prefer a sauvigon blanc for white and merlot for red. I don't have a terribly sophisticated palate.
Hey, as long as the wine you're drinking tastes good to you, what the hell does it matter what anyone else thinks of it? :)

I couldn't tell the difference between a $25 bottle and a $100 bottle if my life depended on it.I bet you could.

As far as I can tell from the article, the US is predicted to surpass France in terms of consumption of wine (in absolute volume), not in terms of production.
You're not wrong.

I bet you could.You overestimate my motivation. Seems like a little much effort just to stay alive.

Another Bushevik Freedom Fry, yay!

And you're quite right in that champagne is produced exclusively in the Champagne region of France. Everything else gets to be called sparkling wine, at least technically.

Some Australian producers have started to label their sparkling wines as champagne (which, incidentally, are very good sparkling wines). So far their sttitude towards the French has been "meh, invade us then".

First thought. Isn't the U.S. slightly larger than France? :p

Second thought. Califorina? Bah Humbug. All the good wine comes from Long Island, New York (http://www.liwines.com/)!

we have a place in Orient,NY and make it a point to pick up Long Island wine.

We also picked up wine in Maui at the Tedeschi Winery-I still have several unopened bottles left of their red, which is very good.

I dont drink very much wine. A few glasses a month. Barefoot has a great Merlot and Zinfandel I drink.

I stick with these. And I'm happy they are produced in the US.

I stick with these. And I'm happy they are produced in the US.

Awww, how patriotic:)

I don't care where it comes from as long as it tastes nice. Oooh...but pet peeve? The new prevalence of screw-off caps or plastic corks. Bastards!

LINCOLN SHOT!

In shocking news today President Abraham Lincoln was shot while attending a play at Ford's Theater. While watching a showing of "Our American Cousin" President Lincoln was shot in the back of the head by oe John Wilkes Booth.



In other words you're posting the glaringly obvious like it's actual news.

No...

Lincoln getting shot was definitely actual news. Him getting shot today, more than a hundred years after his death, would really be news.

Completely different.

Awww, how patriotic:)

I don't care where it comes from as long as it tastes nice. Oooh...but pet peeve? The new prevalence of screw-off caps or plastic corks. Bastards!Plastic corks mean no funny taste from bacteria getting in the cork.

Oops. Just trying to remember all that stuff Mom tells me. She's the wine freak. While I like a little wine occasionally, I prefer mixed drinks. I couldn't tell the difference between a $25 bottle and a $100 bottle if my life depended on it.


When I drink wine I prefer a sauvigon blanc for white and merlot for red. I don't have a terribly sophisticated palate.

is cool mate...no fears;)

To be honest I would find it hard as well...I could tell the difference between a £25 and £1000 bottle...I would hope but then I've seen tastings where professional chefs have been caught out...the more expensive the wine does not mean the quality is better...it depends on the vintage...a Y'Quem will always be expensive even if its a rubbish vintage...

Its pretty crazy.

Merlot is nice...although I don't like the heavy reds anymore...I prefer a decent Brouilly...that and Pinot Noir are my favs at the moment. I'm not a great white fan but there some that I do like to drink...Gewürztraminer, a good Aussie Chardonnay, Sancerre, or even some of the new English wines...really quite nice...

Funnily enough England became the major wine growing region for the Roman Empire during the occupation and it was reckoned that British wine was superior to anything being made in Italy...!

Another odd fact...it was the Brits who invented....Bubbly! (secondary fermentation AND the special bottle.... ;) )

(my fav is Vive Cliquot....not too keen on Bolly or Tat...Krug is over rated and Dom P is pantsto be quite honest. This is my own preference...I would not say no to any of them! LOL)

Plastic corks mean no funny taste from bacteria getting in the cork.
They're also cheaper than natural cork. Supposedly, though, they also don't provide as good a seal as natural cork does, which means that if you want to age your wine more than a couple years you should make sure it has a natural cork. Of course, I can't think of any winemakers who produce wines meant to be aged like that who also use synthetic cork, so maybe that's a moot point.

As a side note, did you know that synthetic corks make fantastic pencil erasers?

Awww, how patriotic:)

I don't care where it comes from as long as it tastes nice. Oooh...but pet peeve? The new prevalence of screw-off caps or plastic corks. Bastards!

Actually its a good thing...your wine won't get corked and the trees (Portugal and Spain) that the cork comes from will not die out...which they were back in the day...1990's when wine really took off globally...(the New World Wine phenomenon)...

is cool mate...no fears;)

To be honest I would find it hard as well...I could tell the difference between a £25 and £1000 bottle...I would hope but then I've seen tastings where professional chefs have been caught out...the more expensive the wine does not mean the quality is better...it depends on the vintage...a Y'Quem will always be expensive even if its a rubbish vintage...

Its pretty crazy.

Merlot is nice...although I don't like the heavy reds anymore...I prefer a decent Brouilly...that and Pinot Noir are my favs at the moment. I'm not a great white fan but there some that I do like to drink...Gewürztraminer, a good Aussie Chardonnay, Sancerre, or even some of the new English wines...really quite nice...

Funnily enough England became the major wine growing region for the Roman Empire during the occupation and it was reckoned that British wine was superior to anything being made in Italy...!

Another odd fact...it was the Brits who invented....Bubbly! (secondary fermentation AND the special bottle.... ;) )

(my fav is Vive Cliquot....not too keen on Bolly or Tat...Krug is over rated and Dom P is pantsto be quite honest. This is my own preference...I would not say no to any of them! LOL)I remember the first wine I liked. It was Blue Nun back before they upgraded it. Don't judge me too harshly :p I was eleven.

My mother despairs of ever getting me out of prefering some of the sweeter wines. And my preference for the demi-sec champagnes, which she says are horrid stuff. But she doesn't like champagne anyway.

I remember the first wine I liked. It was Blue Nun back before they upgraded it. Don't judge me too harshly :p I was eleven.

My mother despairs of ever getting me out of prefering some of the sweeter wines. And my preference for the demi-sec champagnes, which she says are horrid stuff. But she doesn't like champagne anyway.

Blue Nun...well..its better than battery acid! ;)

Blue Nun...well..its better than battery acid! ;)

I don't know--battery acid at least has a use. ;)

I only posted it for a couple of reasons...

1. It's News so get over yourselves.

and..

2. I just found it to be an interesting article considering how many years France has been the #1 there of...again I say, get over yourselves...

I personally drink beer so I could care less, but if it had been, say, Italy that was the world's largest wine market and we were about to surpass them, would this have generated a thread. Je pense que non.

I don't know--battery acid at least has a use. ;)

Harsh but true! LOL

Blue Nun...well..its better than battery acid! ;)
That bad, huh? I've never heard of it, which apparently is a good thing? :p

Do you deny that the USA makes some damned good Wine? That the USA doesn't have any "quality" wines?
Careful, it's those Californian liberals that are making the wine. They're practically French already...

...............So?

Totally, what he said.

So?

I'm pretty sure that Australian wines can be fantastic, too.
Interestingly enough, they're a bit of a rarety in Germany, but they seem all the rage here in Ireland. It's virtually impossible to find a good Italian wine here, though, let alone Austrian ones. :(

Oh, and they are fecking expensive, too.
What I'm wondering is where all the Middle Eastern wines are.

Plastic corks mean no funny taste from bacteria getting in the cork.
The corky taste gives it that *rustic* old-time *zing*.

That bad, huh? I've never heard of it, which apparently is a good thing? :p

I've heard Blue Nun is a suitable paint remover. Tastes like it anyway....

I've heard Blue Nun is a suitable paint remover. Tastes like it anyway....
Lovely. I looked at their website and I can't say that I've ever seen any of their wines in the stores here. Either I'm not observant enough (entirely possible) or stores here just don't stock it.