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Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall. And explain why...

Hopefully not within the next couple of years; I just bought a Wii.

Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall. And explain why...


A whole hell of a lot longer then anyone on this forum!

Untill tomorrow.

It won't so much fall as be blended in to the global economy; it's going to be a major economic region for the foreseeable future, but whether or not that is accompanied by national identity is not as assured. If globalization continues at its current pace, I'd give it no more than a century.

Of course, that "downfall" is hardly a bad thing; we'll benefit immensely from the economic development that precedes it.

Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall. And explain why...

This is kind of a dark sort of thread don't you think? It feels a little like a person walking into a room full of relatives of the sick loved one and saying 'so how long do you think before grandma dies?'

The US will not survive as an independent country due to the moral decay of its people. History shows us that nations rise and fall over time. Be it China,Russia or the European union the US will be defeated in war, probably by 2010.

Tough question

if you mean U.S in a cultural sense then I’d guesstimate maybe a few centuries to forever (of course it won’t have the same borders and will very much be like western Europe coming from the roman empire)

If you mean the nation its only 200 years old so I wouldn’t get my hopes up but the way things are going its going to be long weight

If you mean political hegemony not long maybe 20 years before the U.S finds itself having meaningful resistance and so loses its free hand in world affairs (its going to be a long 20 years)

as a single political entity? probably at least another 150 years. as the only superpower, about 10 years. as a superpower at all, less than 100 years.

/uneducated guess

105 years, at which point the states will join the Western Confederacy.

The US will not survive as an independent country due to the moral decay of its people. History shows us that nations rise and fall over time. Be it China,Russia or the European union the US will be defeated in war, probably by 2010.

you mean due to the moral decay of its government... last time I checked its people were just fine. get us a better government and it'll fix a lot of problems. polls right now show that the american people (including myself) are very unhappy with the current government and feel it doesn't accurately represent the American public

This is kind of a dark sort of thread don't you think? It feels a little like a person walking into a room full of relatives of the sick loved one and saying 'so how long do you think before grandma dies?'

Well allot of people or concerned over the will rumour has it her new lover is after her millions :eek:

The US will not survive as an independent country due to the moral decay of its people.

Europe’s doing great so is Japan yet both places are fairly devoid of morals (I’d go as far to say that morals tend to mess up a nation with Japanese isolationism being an obvious one)

History shows us that nations rise and fall over time. Be it China,Russia or the European union the US will be defeated in war, probably by 2010.

Pffft most cases involve the nation crumbling from the inside and in almost every case the national identitys hold together fairly well see 4,000 year old china

Not long, since America's debt is 3 trillion dollars. They are also going to be losing 20 billion more in new social programs that have been promised to America.

2012

2012

That’s going to make the Olympics very interesting…

2012

you got a revolution planned or are you thinking of the end of the mayan calender?

That’s going to make the Olympics very interesting…

The Olympics will be fine, all the shit is going down in December '12.

The US as a country? Hopefully for a long, long time.

The US government? Hopefully not much longer.

I see the US getting louder and angrier in the near-ish future, but then the world as a whole will just start disliking them more, not playing into the culture as much, etc. The global influence of America will drop, and as a result economically there will be a downward trend. I forsee America becoming about as economically powerful as New Zealand; that is, a rich and comfortable nation but without the massive influence it currently has.

I'm thinking about 100 years or so.

Tough question

if you mean U.S in a cultural sense then I’d guesstimate maybe a few centuries to forever (of course it won’t have the same borders and will very much be like western Europe coming from the roman empire)

If you mean the nation its only 200 years old so I wouldn’t get my hopes up but the way things are going its going to be long weight

If you mean political hegemony not long maybe 20 years before the U.S finds itself having meaningful resistance and so loses its free hand in world affairs (its going to be a long 20 years)
This seems to be a fairly resonable post so I'll agree with it....or at least I would if the world wasn't going to end in 2012;)

200 years, with total military superiority for another 60.

Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall. And explain why...

At least as long as people feel the need to repost this thread every week.

If you mean political hegemony not long maybe 20 years before the U.S finds itself having meaningful resistance and so loses its free hand in world affairs (its going to be a long 20 years)

Agreed. However, the US can take certain steps to maintain its hegemony: embracing multilateral efforts, making a show of compromise and legitimate concessions to foster goodwill and good relations are a few suggestions. Of course, whether the US listens to Walt or Ikenberry is indeed questionable.

This seems to be a fairly resonable post so I'll agree with it....or at least I would if the world wasn't going to end in 2012;)

Indeed. I'm actually almost as excited about that as I am Christmas every year...it's the spirit of the thing, you understand. ;)

Too long.

Forever. We'll just file for bankruptcy and change our name slightly.

I see the US getting louder and angrier in the near-ish future, but then the world as a whole will just start disliking them more, not playing into the culture as much, etc. The global influence of America will drop, and as a result economically there will be a downward trend. I forsee America becoming about as economically powerful as New Zealand; that is, a rich and comfortable nation but without the massive influence it currently has.

I'm thinking about 100 years or so.
Sweet, New Zealand as influentual as America.:cool:

The US will not survive as an independent country due to the moral decay of its people. History shows us that nations rise and fall over time. Be it China,Russia or the European union the US will be defeated in war, probably by 2010.
Moral decay? Ah yes, women being allowed to vote caused it.

Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall. And explain why...

It'll take an extinction level event to wipe out the US--much less the US gov't, the most entrenched institution on this planet. Otherwise, the US will most likely endure the ages much like the Eastern Roman Empire did for a couple of millenia.

The U.S. as we know it will fall sometime between 2030 and 2040, when a radical Christian group effectively seizes power. This group will be isolationist, racist, and extremely "fundamental".

This government, in turn, will likely be overthrown in less than 25 years, but what the end result of that change will be can't be determined without knowing just how bad the "bad" years will be.

I think it'll be some time between 2008-2308

The US will not survive as an independent country due to the moral decay of its people. History shows us that nations rise and fall over time. Be it China,Russia or the European union the US will be defeated in war, probably by 2010.

Wow, you really are stupid.

The class revolution is inevitable for any people.

i think there's a huge difference between Governmental America (the Union) and Corporate America - while the two are unquestionably in bed together, a failure at a Governmental level in the US (eg caused by a massive secession of states from the greater Union) wouldn't change the reality of the massive ownership of assets in foreign countries by US-based multinationals, some of whom virtually rival major governments in power and scope, and the WTO / World Bank / IMF triumvirate

you got a revolution planned or are you thinking of the end of the mayan calender?

I would never openly admit a revolution till it's ready. ;)

Kuddos for spotting the reference! :)

Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall. And explain why...

Downfall? In what respect? Do you exect the country to disolve itself in the near future?

Meh, it's probably got about 500-1000 years left.

The US will not survive as an independent country due to the moral decay of its people. History shows us that nations rise and fall over time. Be it China,Russia or the European union the US will be defeated in war, probably by 2010.

Keep huffing. Moral decay? Where? The small minority of douchebags you see on daytime TV dont represent us.

The US will survive a long, long time.

The European Union couldnt fight its way out of a paper bag.

China is still no match for the US, but they are getting there. However, currently, their economic boom is a result of the US buying their goods.

I dont think they have any incentive to disturb the balance they are flourishing from.

We arent done rising yet.

Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall. And explain why...

Sheesh (http://limewoody.wordpress.com/files/2006/04/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again2.jpg). :rolleyes:

The U.S. will still exist, yet soon my legions shall establish the first Empire of the Americas. Claim the land you want to govern now.

I claim California as my own independent republic in opposition to your repressive imperialist post-hegemonic empirrreeee!!!1!!!!111!!!

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This discussion is total shit, but I'll give it a timetable of 100 years before it dissolves into a cesspool of jingoistic corporate republics where wars are fought over which "Idol" winner should sleep with which other celebrity.

Not long, since America's debt is 3 trillion dollars. They are also going to be losing 20 billion more in new social programs that have been promised to America.
Actually, that estimate varies, but what I do know is, it is pretty damn high.
A whole hell of a lot longer then anyone on this forum!
That is, depending on how bad are the Bush Administration's effects on American global reputation is and if the successors can patch that presidency's policies up.
Wow, you really are stupid.
Well, while I agree with you, you could have provided sources...moral decay doesn't absolutely guarantee a society falling apart.

Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall.

Hmmm... I'd say about 20 minutes.

And explain why...

The missiles are on the way. Sorry for the delay.

Joona

Well a greater than magnitude 7.0 earthquake on the San Andreas fault causing widespread damage to Los Angeles and San Francisco. Californian propert prices plummet, and industry is disrupted. This affects the US economy as a whole, China dumps its US investments...so I suppose probably sometime around the middle of next year.

It'll take an extinction level event to wipe out the US

well Yellowstone is overdue so you might want to change that

The European Union couldnt fight its way out of a paper bag.

Germany, France, Turkey, Poland and maybe Britain could though…before going through an intense period of moral thought over whether the paper bag was there own doing

I dont think they have any incentive to disturb the balance they are flourishing from.

What balance its one fat guy with 200 odd skinny guys lifting him

you mean due to the moral decay of its government... last time I checked its people were just fine. get us a better government and it'll fix a lot of problems. polls right now show that the american people (including myself) are very unhappy with the current government and feel it doesn't accurately represent the American publicThe American government is the result of a lazy and apathetic American public.

Could be a while. Something called England has been around for about 1200 years, and something called China for maybe 2500 years, and US cultural identity is at least as strong as in either of those countries. On the other hand the world is changing fast, and if Salmond gets his way Britain could only have about 5 years, although there's not much evidence of those kind of tensions in the US.

Well a greater than magnitude 7.0 earthquake on the San Andreas fault causing widespread damage to Los Angeles and San Francisco. Californian propert prices plummet, and industry is disrupted. This affects the US economy as a whole, China dumps its US investments...so I suppose probably sometime around the middle of next year.

The san andreas fault is so OVERRATED!

What WOULD do in the Us , would be like...a tsunami on either coast, yellowstone eruption, or a massive quake on the New Madrid fault( have a 100% chance of at least a 6.0 within the next...20 yrs? i think maybe longer), or a nuclear holocaust.

The US will last until people stop prophesying its doom. And maybe even longer. Old nations don't die, they just cease to exist and have to be restored by submitting a Getting Help request to the mods or if they were deated for rule violations they're pretty permanently gone so stfu and stop whining kthx.

The American government is the result of a lazy and apathetic American public.
Indeed. I just talked to someone yesterday who had never thought about the concept of Right to Privacy. She didn’t not support it. She’d just never thought about it, ever.

Not long, since America's debt is 3 trillion dollars. They are also going to be losing 20 billion more in new social programs that have been promised to America.

In American politics, promise =/= promise fulfilled.

Its quite the opposite, if they promise something, there is a good chance they wont follow through, that way they can keep using the same promises every election. Also, 20 billion isnt that much (although 3 trillion is.)

Indeed. I just talked to someone yesterday who had never thought about the concept of Right to Privacy. She didn’t not support it. She’d just never thought about it, ever.Why should she think about it there are much more important things to do like watch American Idol and 24.

Hmm... If Global Warming doesn't get it, I could see the USA lasting for a long, long time. But eventually I think it will merge with Europe or Canada or something. I've a feeling that as the might of the US declines due to other, larger nations industrialising, the USA will work harder with the EU and soon they'd be fairly hard to tell apart from each other, at least politically.

I don't see the USA losing in a War or crumbling from a lack of National Pride. I do see it merging with other Liberal Democracies in around 100 years.

Globalisation ftw!

I would say within 100 years the USA wont be the super-power it is today. But it will last as a country for many years. Just becasue empires fall doesnt mean the countrys do. And people who say the american superiority will last forever are just silly, people have said that about all the empires and superpowers throughout time and look what happend.

Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall. And explain why...

The US will last until it's overrun by legions of mutant sea otters. If my calculations are correct this will be accomplished by midnight tonight (GMT), leaving the otters free to take over the rest of the world tomorrow morning and have the afternoon off. :)

Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall. And explain why...

O honestly doubt that USA will be the worlds most powerful nation in hundred years or less.

A lot longer than any of us will live for, that's for damn sure.

Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall. And explain why...

Well, it won't fall to an opposing military, but if the world economy collapses, then it will obviously take the US with it. And that depends on the severity of climate change, whether the oil will last long enough for the economy to move onto alternative fuels, etc.

Title is pretty much self explanatory, give an estimation of how much longer until the United States's downfall.22,56293518 minutes. And explain why...Evil Muslims, Mexicans & anarchists will be your downfall. In less than half an hour! Muahahahahaha!