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Les Paul or Stratocaster?

MrMopar
29-01-2007, 03:57
I'm sure there's other musicians here. Share your opinion or not. Notice the other poll choices.

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/0/0/472300.jpg

I say SG. I've played several and am finally nearly saved for an SG Classic, which is like the old 60s Special. They're so much lighter and more comfortable than anything, except a few Teles I've played. I also plan on picking up an Epi G400 Deluxe (the one with the flamed top) eventually as a long-term project axe. I could use a new amp, too, though... or I could sell one of my current ones... they're both solid-state junk anyway. Well, not junk, but solid-state and I dig tubes.

Anyway, what guitar do yall like best? Or bass, I guess.
Chietuste
29-01-2007, 04:12
No idea. My knowledge of guitars rivals my knowledge of Inuit camel hunting rituals.
Kanabia
29-01-2007, 04:13
You ask Les Paul or Stratocaster and you choose an SG for yourself? Odd. :p

For heavy stuff, i'd stay away from Fenders and also pick an SG or something else with twin humbuckers. I really want one of these. (http://www.maton.com.au/electrics/ms2000-std.html) Or these. (http://www.ovationgallery.com/pagesolidgp.htm)

If I were to pick a Fender guitar (which I probably would for punkier/grungier stuff) i'd probably go for a Mustang, possibly a Jaguar or Jazzmaster. The sound of Telecasters or Strats isn't really what i'm looking for.
MrMopar
29-01-2007, 04:20
I fancy myseld a bluesman so I like the classic Tele and '50s humbucker sounds, but I also like moderner rock. By which I mean '70s.

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/9/0/9/474909.jpg
http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/9/9/6/275996.jpg

I currently have a 2003 Mexican Stratocaster, black and rosewood fretboard, and a red 2005 Ibanez Artcore, which is a hollowbody ala the ES-135/7 Gibsons. It's nice but I'm going to sell it because 1) the pickups are muddy when distorted or just plain overdriven and 2) it is uncomfortabe to play standing.
Kinda Sensible people
29-01-2007, 04:23
Jackson Soloists or whichever Rick (600 series) is actually available. I'm not choosy. I'd prefer the Rick, but odds are I can't afford it.

If I have to, I'll go with an SG. I won't be caught dead with a Strat or a Telecastor. Not a chance.
MrMopar
29-01-2007, 04:25
I believe the 600-series Ricks are going for around $1000 from Musicians Friend if you buy online. Let me check.
MrMopar
29-01-2007, 04:30
Yep, $1200.
Bodies Without Organs
29-01-2007, 04:38
This poll is a bit like asking us whether you should buy a hammer or a screwdriver, without telling us what job you want to do.
MrMopar
29-01-2007, 05:57
What job do you want to do? I don't want you to do a job, but I'm sure you do.
Avsjdj
29-01-2007, 06:04
I just bought a Cort EVL K6. If you got the moola, get that.


(Depending on what you're playing.)
Pepe Dominguez
29-01-2007, 07:29
Meh. I'm not an electrician. I've been playing guitar forever, but I don't really want to blow a thousand dollars on a guitar just to have the privilege of spending another few thousand so I can actually hear it with any quality. And then, of course, come the arguments as to which electric guitar is best, which seem never to end. Not too eager to jump into that either. :p
MrMopar
29-01-2007, 07:32
I just bought a Cort EVL K6. If you got the moola, get that.


(Depending on what you're playing.)
If we're playing electric blues?
IL Ruffino
29-01-2007, 07:34
*shrugs*
MrMopar
29-01-2007, 07:35
*shrugs*
*punches*
Infinite Revolution
29-01-2007, 16:25
i have a squire stratocaster. i don't really like it to be honest. i like the look of those SGs though i've never played one. nor have i played a Les Paul. the guitar i play most often, which i really like, is a Yamaha CG100A. but that's cuz i play classical guitar, not electric.
Maxus Paynus
29-01-2007, 16:46
I'm surprised you don't have BC Rich of Scheter up there. But regardless, Ibanez is my baby.
I V Stalin
29-01-2007, 16:46
Is the bass players option so you can point and laugh at people who play bass?

*plays bass (badly) and proud*
Llewdor
29-01-2007, 19:55
Bass isn't just the guy who keeps rhythm and gives the music depth. Bass can be quite lyrical and melodic.

Or just weird. see: Claypool, Les.
Potarius
29-01-2007, 20:09
I'd take a Flying V or an Explorer, myself. Same setup as a Les Paul, but both are much lighter, and I think the look fits me better. As for colors, I prefer natural wood in different stains (I like sunburst), though a nice cherry red or classic white isn't bad at all.

I could go for blue burst, but it looks a bit cheapish, you know?
Pompous world
29-01-2007, 20:13
I vastly prefer the strat to any make of gibson, fave guitar make is Ibanez
Potarius
29-01-2007, 20:17
I vastly prefer the strat to any make of gibson, fave guitar make is Ibanez

I find that Stratocasters are far too expensive for what they are. Paying $2,000+ for something like that when I could get a nice Explorer or a Flying V for about $600?

No thanks. The sound is far too crunchy and bright, even for "Alternative" Rock. I call the sound of a Strat generic, because that's exactly how it sounds. I'd take a Telecaster over a Stratocaster any day, and I'm no fan of those, either.
Rosanica
29-01-2007, 21:11
Fender puede ir al INFIERNO

I prefer a Gibson SG meself. Granted I'm a bassist (a real crappy one) so it'd be to be a Gibson EB-3 or a Rickenbacker 4003.

Simple really, Fender's sound is too clean. Too bright, Gibson has bolas and things of that nature. Also, Alex Lifeson used Gibson, Slash uses Gibson, I'm sure Iron Maiden uses Gibson... I think.

Point is, GIBSON > YOU
Bodies Without Organs
29-01-2007, 22:52
I'm sure Iron Maiden uses Gibson... I think.

Point is, GIBSON > YOU

Nope. Iron Maiden primarily use Fender Strats, to the extent that signature models are available.
Curious Inquiry
29-01-2007, 23:24
Several of each, tuned appropriately to the song for which each is used. (Hey, it's what roadies are for, dude).
Llewdor
30-01-2007, 00:22
Nope. Iron Maiden primarily use Fender Strats, to the extent that signature models are available.
Dave plays strats, sure, but Adrian plays all sorts of things. I honestly can't picture him with a strat.

I have no idea what Jannick plays, though Steve plays a Fender bass.
Arrkendommer
30-01-2007, 00:36
I don't play guitar, but I know alot about them, and I really like Les Pauls, they wrawk. But I have small hands, so I like using Mini-Strats, just for fun.
SHAOLIN9
30-01-2007, 00:59
i have a squire stratocaster. i don't really like it to be honest. i like the look of those SGs though i've never played one. nor have i played a Les Paul. the guitar i play most often, which i really like, is a Yamaha CG100A. but that's cuz i play classical guitar, not electric.

Squire's are nasty! I had a high-end US Strat and that was amazing to play.

Generally I like Jackson guitar's though - Rhandy Rhodes FTW!
Avsjdj
30-01-2007, 02:19
If we're playing electric blues?

I dunno. I'm the type that sits in his room alone and plays whatever. I'm not one to tinker with tone until it sounds exactly like something.

While the EVL is really a metal guitar, I'm pretty sure the EMG's on it can belch out whatever kind of tone you want.


Also, the EVL Z6 might be better for the kinda stuff you're playing. Z6 (http://www.cort.co.kr/english/products/common/view.asp?product_id=106)

Still has the EMG's, but it's just a different style. Still sexy as fuck.
Breitenburg
30-01-2007, 03:19
Strat, although both are great. I like the flying v as well. But in terms of having more greats play it, the strat wins hands down. Hendrix, Clapton, Beck, Blackmore, Gilmour, etc.
PedroTheDonkey
30-01-2007, 05:53
Bass....
MrMopar
30-01-2007, 06:00
I'd take a Flying V or an Explorer, myself. Same setup as a Les Paul, but both are much lighter, and I think the look fits me better. As for colors, I prefer natural wood in different stains (I like sunburst), though a nice cherry red or classic white isn't bad at all.

I could go for blue burst, but it looks a bit cheapish, you know?
A typical Explorer is heavier than an LP these days.

BTW, my fave bassman in John Entwistle. He's the Hendrix of bass.
MrMopar
30-01-2007, 06:03
Strat, although both are great. I like the flying v as well. But in terms of having more greats play it, the strat wins hands down. Hendrix, Clapton, Beck, Blackmore, Gilmour, etc.
SG.

Hendrix, Clapton, Townshend, Santana, Buck Dharma, Angus Young, Dave Grohl, etc.
PedroTheDonkey
30-01-2007, 06:11
*is not primarlily a guitar player*

I'm personally a fan of older Gibsons, particullarly the SG. Never really like fenders... And I've played all of them, in fact last week I got to play a '69 top of the line tele. Nice guitar, but still didn't feel as right in my hands as a Gibson. I also generally like Ibanezes (the nice ones anyways, ibanez puts out an amazing amount of crap along with the good stuff)
Callisdrun
30-01-2007, 06:24
I am a bass player, I prefer Rickenbacker 4001/4003's.

As far as guitars, I like SG's, V's (of both Gibson and Jackson make), most BC rich designs and Les Pauls.

I absolutely loathe Fender Stratocasters though. I hate them with a passion that burns hotter than a thousand suns. Pretty much the only instrument Fender makes that I like is the Jazz Bass. Their amps are cool though.
Callisdrun
30-01-2007, 06:26
A typical Explorer is heavier than an LP these days.

BTW, my fave bassman in John Entwistle. He's the Hendrix of bass.

Mr. Entwistle was indeed a most amazing bassist.
MrMopar
30-01-2007, 06:28
Did I mention to yall my dad make Fenders for a year and a half at the Corona plant? Everything not involving the body, electronics and appearance. Mostly shaping the necs from chunks of maple and putting on frets and inlays.
Callisdrun
30-01-2007, 06:40
Did I mention to yall my dad make Fenders for a year and a half at the Corona plant? Everything not involving the body, electronics and appearance. Mostly shaping the necs from chunks of maple and putting on frets and inlays.

Sorry if I've offended you, but I just can't like Fenders. I tried for a while.

I mean, to me, an instrument should have, in this order:

1: Sound. I actually like the way fender guitars sound clean. Unfortunately, I tend not to use this setting as much on guitar, and the only Fender bass whose sound I like is the Jazz bass.
2. Playability. Both Fender guitars and basses are really uncomfortable for my left hand. On basses it's the ridiculous amount of neck taper, on guitar I don't know what it is.
3. Looks. Arguably the least important, but to me they look kinda boring.

That's cool that your dad used to make guitars though.
MrMopar
30-01-2007, 07:12
And yet he knew almost nothing about them from a technical standpoint. He couldn't read tablature and was generally musically illiterate (so's Hendrix and Angus), but he play just like ringing a bell.

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/3/4/453334.jpg

What I think of Fenders
1. Sound: boring for the most part. Lower and models and Strats bore more. Telecasters I like, especially it they have a mini-HB thrown in.
2. Playability: lower-end Fenders suck compared to lower end Gibsons. An American or good Mexican Tele that has been properly set up is great to play.
3. Looks: Strats are waaay overdone. A simple butterscotch blonde Tele I like.

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/4/6/423746.jpg

What I think of Gibsons
1. Sound: whether old-school humbuckers or P-90s, they go from perfectly clean to excellent overdriven crunch and inbetween. At least the ones I'm used to.
2. Playability: love the "50s" neck profile on Gibsons. Perfect shape for me and when clean and properly set is lightspeed fast. SGs especially- lightweight and nicely contoured, with a good distribution of weight most time.
3. Looks: badass, classic but not cliche. I love any SG.
Callisdrun
30-01-2007, 09:12
I've got an epiphone SG (the Iommi model, lol) and it's actually really nice and comfy. Really killer sound, too.

So far, Rickenbacker 4000 series basses are the best I've come across. Their sound is incredible and their necks are so fast.
Potarius
30-01-2007, 22:16
A typical Explorer is heavier than an LP these days.

BTW, my fave bassman in John Entwistle. He's the Hendrix of bass.

Which is why I've been looking into buying small-name brands rather than Gibsons. Not just because they're cheaper, but they have just about the same sound and quality. Even if I had thousands of dollars to throw away on a Gibson, I wouldn't. They're just not worth it when you can get the same quality from a smaller company. Of course, I'll probably just go with a Flying V anyway, as I like them quite a bit more than Explorers.

As for that... I really like Entwistle, but Geddy Lee's still technically better. They're (in Entwistle's case, was...) both fricking monsters regardless of that, though. Lee, Jones, and Entwistle --- the kings of the bass guitar.
Potarius
30-01-2007, 22:27
I've got an epiphone SG (the Iommi model, lol) and it's actually really nice and comfy. Really killer sound, too.

So far, Rickenbacker 4000 series basses are the best I've come across. Their sound is incredible and their necks are so fast.

Geddy Lee used a Rickenbacker 4000 series during the 70's and 80's. The sound of one of those is fantastically rich and soothing.

He now plays his own Signature series of Fender basses, and though not quite as rich as Rickenbackers, they do seem to be faster.
IL Ruffino
30-01-2007, 23:15
*punches*

*feels that was deserved*

I really don't see the difference in guitars.. They're all the same to me..
MrMopar
31-01-2007, 01:33
As for that... I really like Entwistle, but Geddy Lee's still technically better. They're (in Entwistle's case, was...) both fricking monsters regardless of that, though. Lee, Jones, and Entwistle --- the kings of the bass guitar.
Tehnically better my ass. There's lots of great technical players, but if they got no soul, they go no rhythm. They can't really play. They're just reading off a book of tablature.

I have always maintained that stance and always will. Great tech skills in music are nothing to admire and nothing to be proud of.
The Pacifist Womble
31-01-2007, 01:39
Les Pauls are the most overrated guitar ever. They're too heavy and give crappy tones.

Fender and Ibanez have far better guitars.
The Pacifist Womble
31-01-2007, 01:42
I have always maintained that stance and always will. Great tech skills in music are nothing to admire and nothing to be proud of.
Really? Here's an analogy to help you:

When you write a letter, do you think it's OK to use sloppy handwriting to get across a "soulful message"? What's the point in writing your message if nobody will be able to read it? On the other hand, is it not extremely vain to write reams of nothing just to show off your fancy handwriting?

You must have both skills and soul. Both are fine achievements, though relatively useless without each other.
Callisdrun
31-01-2007, 01:42
Les Pauls are the most overrated guitar ever. They're too heavy and give crappy tones.

Fender and Ibanez have far better guitars.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For my purposes, fenders are mostly just slabs of wood.
Potarius
31-01-2007, 04:52
Tehnically better my ass. There's lots of great technical players, but if they got no soul, they go no rhythm. They can't really play. They're just reading off a book of tablature.

I have always maintained that stance and always will. Great tech skills in music are nothing to admire and nothing to be proud of.

...So you're saying that Geddy Lee's technique and melodies have no soul or rhythm?

Your credibility is down to zero from here on out, pal.
MrMopar
31-01-2007, 07:40
He does, which you will get with amazing tech skills, but it gets repetative much quicker IMO.

Listen to Rush's version of Summertime Blues, then the Who's studio version.
MrMopar
31-01-2007, 07:42
Really? Here's an analogy to help you:

When you write a letter, do you think it's OK to use sloppy handwriting to get across a "soulful message"? What's the point in writing your message if nobody will be able to read it? On the other hand, is it not extremely vain to write reams of nothing just to show off your fancy handwriting?

You must have both skills and soul. Both are fine achievements, though relatively useless without each other.
Not saying you can't have both. Just that soul is what matters most in the end.

For the record, I can write like... Shakespeare or whoever but I write it like a deranged doctor and no one can read it... lol.
BackwoodsSquatches
31-01-2007, 10:24
Les Paul or a Strat?

Neither.

Gibson SG FTW!

Im buying a Gibson SG Faded Special in few days.

The difference between an SG standard and a Faded Special?

about 400$.

The one has a "worn antiqued finish" so as to look like a gracefully aging instrument, while actually being brand new. It also has slightly cheaper pick-ups.

Otherwise there is no difference.

Nothing says "impending sounds of doom" like a Gibson SG.

Ask Mr Tony Iommi, or Pete Townsend, or Angus Young, or.....

You get the idea.

It will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine....

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BTW...for those other musicians out there, if you havent heard of this site...check it out.

Best music equipment site....evar.
BackwoodsSquatches
31-01-2007, 10:37
SG.

Hendrix, Clapton, Townshend, Santana, Buck Dharma, Angus Young, Dave Grohl, etc.

Forgetting Iommi on that list made me want to harm you, however, your appreciation of the SG, and your comment about John Entwhistle has earned you a spot on the "people who shall survive the bloody revolution when I take over the world."

On a side note, Hnedrix primarily used a upside down right handed white Strat.
(He was a lefty) and very occasionally, a Gibson SG.