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China shoots down satellite and is then worried about space weapons...

Sel Appa
28-01-2007, 05:54
Some Chinese fellow is worried that space weapons are not so far away and China is prepared to counter anyone who decides to put weapons in space, strongly hinting at the United States. I think the US would be the first to put weapons in space, or China. Russia is out of the picture for the most part, as far as I know.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070126/ap_on_re_eu/world_forum_china_missile)
DAVOS, Switzerland - A senior Chinese military officer predicts that weapons will be deployed in outer space despite the government's long-standing desire to prevent an arms race in space.

Yao Yunzhu, a senior colonel in the People's Liberation Army, brought up China's recent successful test of an anti-satellite weapon during a
World Economic Forum dinner Thursday focusing on
North Korea.

"My wish is we really want to keep space as a peaceful place for human beings," she said, adding that China would like all countries to come to a consensus that space should be used only for peaceful purposes.

"But personally, I'm pessimistic about it," said Yao, 52, who directs the Asia-Pacific Office at the Academy of Military Science in Beijing. "My prediction: Outer space is going to be weaponized in our lifetime."

Yao's remarks were the first time a member of the Chinese military has commented on the test. The only other official comment, from the Foreign Ministry, offered the barest confirmation and repeated stock positions about China's wish to keep space free of weapons.

"This isn't the act of a country who remains fiercely committed to peace and harmony in the world," said Adm. Timothy Keating, commander of U.S. Northern Command. "This is a cause for concern ... In executing this test they have created potential significant problems for international space flight."

Keating told the Associated Press in an interview this week that there are ongoing worries that such tests have other consequences "intended or otherwise," that China must realize, including possible damage to other satellites or the Space Station by debris.

He added that the U.S. does not now plan a direct response to the test, but "there are a number of things that are on the list of potential military options" if it happens again.

The Jan. 11 test sparked criticism from the United States and Japan, and raised concerns over the rising militarization of space. Analysts said it also represented an indirect threat to U.S. efforts to remain predominant in space and on the ground — because it raised the possibility that the network of U.S. spy satellites could be shot down.

The U.S. military has had the capability to shoot down satellites since the 1980s. Russia has a similar capacity, and now China is the third potential military power in space.

China confirmed the test on Tuesday, but did not provide details — and neither did Yao. The magazine Aviation Week, which first reported the test, said the satellite was hit by a kinetic kill vehicle launched from a ballistic missile.

China's long-standing policy was to ban weapons in space, Yao said, noting that Russia and China presented a draft outline for a treaty to prevent the deployment of weapons in space to the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva in June 2002.

The United States objected at the time, saying the 1967 Outer Space Treaty provided sufficient guarantees against the weaponization of space. The Russians countered that while the 1967 treaty banned weapons of mass destruction in space, it did not contain any legal barriers to putting other weapons in orbit around the Earth.

Without naming any country, but in an apparent reference to the United States, Yao said if there's going to be "a space superpower, it's not going to be alone, and China is not going to be the only one."

"It will have company," she said.

Her rank of senior colonel is equivalent to that of a brigadier or one-star general in the U.S. military. She belongs to a small group of fluent English speakers the usually secretive People's Liberation Army uses to deal with foreigners.
Northern Borders
28-01-2007, 06:31
Oh man, another arms race.

I wonder when the next "Cold War" will start.
Kryozerkia
28-01-2007, 06:32
Oh man, another arms race.

I wonder when the next "Cold War" will start.

The other one ended? :p
Dryks Legacy
28-01-2007, 06:41
I don't really see the point of launching weapons into space. They are more expensive, hard to maintain, easy to hit, hard/impossible to hide and once someone knows where they are they know where they are and what they can hit at all times.
AchillesLastStand
28-01-2007, 06:43
I don't really see the point of launching weapons into space. They are more expensive, hard to maintain, easy to hit, hard/impossible to hide and once someone knows where they are they know where they are and what they can hit at all times.

That's what they said about Reagan's Star Wars program. It's really about two countries competing economically and showing off who has the bigger, better toys.
The Lone Alliance
28-01-2007, 07:33
Well considering they made a microwave tank, it won't be long before we put up a giant mirror to make a particle cannon.
Vernasia
28-01-2007, 10:25
The USA, without a doubt.
If there is any chance that China, Iran, North Korea etc. will put a weapon in space, the USA will want to get there first.

I don't really see the point of launching weapons into space. They are more expensive, hard to maintain, easy to hit, hard/impossible to hide and once someone knows where they are they know where they are and what they can hit at all times.

Having weapons in space means none of your people get hurt. Nuclear submarines can go wrong (a case of a Russian one a few years ago?), sending soldiers in as a deterrent will just be seen as an act of war.
The Alma Mater
28-01-2007, 10:44
and once someone knows where they are they know where they are and what they can hit at all times.

Which is "everything" in less time than an intercontinental missile would take.
Swilatia
28-01-2007, 13:03
The other one ended? :p

well, tere is no USSR now.
Laquasa Isle
28-01-2007, 14:39
Ha. A hahahahahaaa. We've been able to do this almost thirty years, they're using old russian technology that we could easily shoot down. We could shoot down just about anything China puts in the air. China goes around waving its imaginary ginat military dick, but the techs it uses is old and it can't move around the military. China's a one-incher, uncle sam's got the 12ee.
Grave_n_idle
28-01-2007, 14:43
That's what they said about Reagan's Star Wars program. It's really about two countries competing economically and showing off who has the bigger, better toys.

Didn't Bush already express an interest in 're-starting' the Star Wars program?

As an aside, of course, since we put monitoring and spying devices in orbit, the 'star wars' program never really stopped - we've just gone down the 'espionage' route rather than direct confrontation.
Non Aligned States
28-01-2007, 15:28
*snip*

Well, it appears the comprehension missile missed it's mark. Damn that cluelessness ECM.

Let me put it this way. It's not the fact that America has this tech already that makes it worry. America relies heavily on satellite guidance for intelligence, communications, etc, etc. Heck, they might even have an orbital weapons platform on the sly.

What China has now is merely the means to poke Uncle Sam in the eye if war starts.

And no, I don't think anyone has any anti anti-missile missiles.
OcceanDrive2
28-01-2007, 18:22
We already have space weapons.

so I vote other on your POLL.
Damn you forgot to put "other".. so I vote US
Dododecapod
28-01-2007, 18:58
I put USA - but only because we and the old Soviet Union have ALREADY put weapons in space.

The Sovs put up several experimental "Kill-Sats", kamikaze satellites designed to maneuver over to a target and then explode. To my knowledge, they used all of them up in testing.

The US weapons system is still up there. The US "Big Bird" comsats include a defensive option - they can blamket the entire orbital shell in microwave transmissions for several days. This isn't intense enough to cause physical damage to anything, but will block any and all communications to and from satellites - basically, they can blackout all satellite communications for a time.

It's a defensive weapon, but it's still a weapon.
Hydesland
28-01-2007, 19:38
Goldeneyeeeee, aaa dinaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......
The South Islands
28-01-2007, 20:40
It would not suprise me in the least if the USA has had orbital weapons for the past 20 years. Most of the DoD shuttle flights are still classified. Lord knows what they could have put up there.
Greyenivol Colony
28-01-2007, 20:51
Last October the Americans came out and claimed that they have every right to militarise space. And they have the means to do so. China's satellite attack came as soon after October's announcement as possible, making it stand as a definate challenge to the USA.

However, America can clearly overwhelm China and dominate space. Which is a shame. I would feel much safer walking from one side of a saloon to another if there were two gangs in there in the middle of a Mexican stand-off, than if one side alone had the weapons...

We already have space weapons.

To what are you refering?