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Mainstream media in the US is now saying Mercury is good for Kids. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZArebYZzdc)Somebody needs to edit wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_%28element%29) and other information sources that say mercury is a neurotoxin that causes brain damage in children. Is anybody else happy about the good news of mercury being good for you and your kids? I think I am going to break a thermometer and swallow the mercury in it. That should make me feel great and apparently it is nutritious according to this news source.

I also heard a news story long ago that a batch of flu vaccines tainted by mercury cleaners might have contributed to a bunch of kids developing autism.

Yeah, give the little ones some Hg lovin'.

Mercury makes kids grow taller...



... in hot weather

I also heard a news story long ago that a batch of flu vaccines tainted by mercury cleaners might have contributed to a bunch of kids developing autism.

Yeah, give the little ones some Hg lovin'.

The amount of Mercury in the vaccines was minimal and the original 'study' based on that has been pretty much discredited. Also we've stopped using the mercury in the vaccines and there has been no drop in the rate of autistic children.

The amount of Mercury in the vaccines was minimal and the original 'study' based on that has been pretty much discredited. Also we've stopped using the mercury in the vaccines and there has been no drop in the rate of autistic children.So you agree with the news that mercury is good for you in minimal amounts. Could you give me the optimal amount of mercury for childrens consumption? How much mercury do you supplement in your childs diet?

So you agree with the news that mercury is good for you in minimal amounts. Could you give me the optimal amount of mercury for childrens consumption? How much mercury do you supplement in your childs diet?

No, mercury is not good for you in minimal amounts, but in small trace amounts like those found in the vaccines wasn't dangerous. There's a big difference between that which is what I was referring to there and continuous consumption of mercury. Well unless you think that people are getting numerous vaccines over their entire life in amounts anyway comparable to what is being suggested here. ;)

Gods' sake. It really annoys me when people act like they know more about things than the scientists who study said things. If the scientific concensus says that mercury is healthy in small enough doses, or that GM food products have no detrimental effects, or that modern nuclear power poses no immediate dangers, then is it too much to just believe them!?

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Gods' sake. It really annoys me when people act like they know more about things than the scientists who study said things. If the scientific concensus says that mercury is healthy in small enough doses, or that GM food products have no detrimental effects, or that modern nuclear power poses no immediate dangers, then is it too much to just believe them!?

</rant>I agree scientist who are paid by big corporations would never lie to make more money at the detriment of the consumer. The Big tobacco companies proved that very well.

So you agree with the news that mercury is good for you in minimal amounts. Could you give me the optimal amount of mercury for childrens consumption? How much mercury do you supplement in your childs diet?

You're judging the issue through emotion rather than intellect. Sure the optimal amounts of mercury in the human body is zero, but extremely small amounts don't do any appreciable harm. That's why mercury-containing preservatives were added to vaccines. They posed no real danger due to the low levels of mercury, and prevented the very real danger of the vaccine becoming a growth medium for harmful bacteria.

Mercury makes kids grow taller...



... in hot weather

:rolleyes:

I also heard a news story long ago that a batch of flu vaccines tainted by mercury cleaners might have contributed to a bunch of kids developing autism.

Yeah, give the little ones some Hg lovin'.


You never know... one of these days they may discover that autism is good for the toddlers too!

Plenty of things which are deadly in large doses are perfectly harmless (if not beneficial) in low doses.

No comment on mercury. Maybe this research has been fudged. Maybe it's valid. Either way, anything over minimal doses (as in trace amounts) is still gonna be harmful.

You're judging the issue through emotion rather than intellect. Sure the optimal amounts of mercury in the human body is zero, but extremely small amounts don't do any appreciable harm. That's why mercury-containing preservatives were added to vaccines. They posed no real danger due to the low levels of mercury, and prevented the very real danger of the vaccine becoming a growth medium for harmful bacteria.I am using emotion instead of intellect because I do not believe mercury is good for kids?

LOL, when I looked at the threads, I saw "drawing penises is BAD for kiddies!" right over "Mercury is good for kids!" Both threads deal with idiocy in the US...

Funny how those two are flipped.... :(

"Those kids are drawing penises!"
"Quick, throw some mercury on them!"

"Those kids are drawing penises!"
"Quick, throw some mercury on them!"

That'll learn 'em!

That'll learn 'em!

Rofl! :p

"Those kids are drawing penises!"
"Quick, throw some mercury on them!"

That'll learn 'em!

Sigged for ROFLMAO! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Sigged for ROFLMAO! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Sigs are limited to 8 lines :(

Sigs are limited to 8 lines :(

Arses :(

Gods' sake. It really annoys me when people act like they know more about things than the scientists who study said things. If the scientific concensus says that mercury is healthy in small enough doses, or that GM food products have no detrimental effects, or that modern nuclear power poses no immediate dangers, then is it too much to just believe them!?

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Quoted for truth. I hate it when people do that.

Arses :(

That's probably still too big. Take out the spaces between the lines maybe?

I am using emotion instead of intellect because I do not believe mercury is good for kids?

No, because you're acting as if a tiny dosage of mercury that has been used safely for decades is a threat to the wellbeing of children. You're not looking at the issue objectively, you're looking at it the way a Muslim or Jew looks at pork. As an abomination that causes visceral disgust rather than analyzing the dangers and the benefits based on the tiny dosage.

Meh...mercury will always be cool.

I say the idiots who said that mercury is good should be sent to Mercury.

I am using emotion instead of intellect because I do not believe mercury is good for kids?

Tell me how many hours, nay, years, you have spent studying the chemical and toxinological properties of mercury.

Is it a very small number? I would bet it is.

Thus you are speaking out of your ass, and are being a paranoid luddite.

Tell me how many hours, nay, years, you have spent studying the chemical and toxinological properties of mercury.

Is it a very small number? I would bet it is.

Thus you are speaking out of your ass, and are being a paranoid luddite.But then again, it is dangerous to just claim "Mercury is good for kids" because there will always be some idiots who do not think of this recommendation to refer to homeopathic doses and try to overdo it, just as so many people abuse antibiotics.

If heavy metals were bad for you, then they wouldn't taste so delicious would they.

Mercury makes kids grow taller...



... in hot weather

*rimshot*

Well if CBS says it's so then I guess it must be true. CBS would never lie, distort, or forge a story. :rolleyes:

I am using emotion instead of intellect because I do not believe mercury is good for kids?

Yeah! Ya Damn Hippie. ;)

Yeah! Ya Damn Hippie. ;)

Yeah, and probably a goddamn cocksucker too! Yah longhaired hippie faggot!

Mainstream media in the US is now saying Mercury is good for Kids. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZArebYZzdc)Somebody needs to edit wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_%28element%29) and other information sources that say mercury is a neurotoxin that causes brain damage in children. Is anybody else happy about the good news of mercury being good for you and your kids? I think I am going to break a thermometer and swallow the mercury in it. That should make me feel great and apparently it is nutritious according to this news source.

This is a phenomenon called "confounding." They're looking at one aspect of a situation and ignoring other, more relevant aspects. If you look at the diets of the children who are shedding high levels of mercury in their urine, you'll probably find that they are high in fish, the primary source of dietary mercury. Fish has been found to be good for brain function, mercury has been found to be bad for brain function - so someone found a specious correlation between mercury and intelligence, when in reality, the correlation was between fish and intelligence and the media, as they are wont to do, picked out the pseudo-factoid that suited them best, regardless of the truth of the matter.

I got mercury-containing vaccine when I was little.
I liked to play with mercury from broken thermometers when I was little.

And I have... increased mental performance? Oh yeah, I am a very intelligenhautgb nw feh fuisfv weuhw er adsvjeu ueguv fsdffke *drops down. dead.*

Small amounts of Mercury can make you run much faster.

Small amounts of Mercury can make you run much faster.How small?

Tell me how many hours, nay, years, you have spent studying the chemical and toxinological properties of mercury.

Is it a very small number? I would bet it is.

Thus you are speaking out of your ass, and are being a paranoid luddite.I also say very small amounts of plutonium are bad for kids does this also make me a luddite. There is no such thing as a healthy dosage of mercury. There are other safer things than thermisol that can be used in vaccinations that do not contain mercury. Mercury is one of the most toxic elements the most toxic nonnuclear element and it should not be given to small children and babies.

As a former optician I'd like to point out to all our older contact lens wearers that almost all contact lens products used to contain thimerisol as a preservative. Maybe that's why glasses wearers are frequently seen as more intelligent. :D

Mercury is one of the most toxic elements the most toxic nonnuclear element and it should not be given to small children and babies.While this is true.

There is no such thing as a healthy dosage of mercury.
This might not be.

I suppose you haven't heard of hormesis (or radiation hormesis) which might go into explaining how small dose(s) of toxin (so that the toxin doesn't accumulate into toxic levels which often happens in chronic exposure or high acute exposure) can trigger a positive reaction in a body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/mercury.html

Ok..this is about dental amalgam but the point is that the dentist came from a reputable background...

But then again, it is dangerous to just claim "Mercury is good for kids" because there will always be some idiots who do not think of this recommendation to refer to homeopathic doses and try to overdo it, just as so many people abuse antibiotics.

The scientists almost certainly didn't say it like that. Its the age old story, scientists discover something, idiot journalists record it wrong, and then idiot readers read it wrong. Leaving us with a big stupid game of Chinese Whispers where everyone is getting all worked up about something they know nothing about.

Mainstream media in the US is now saying Mercury is good for Kids. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZArebYZzdc)Somebody needs to edit wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_%28element%29) and other information sources that say mercury is a neurotoxin that causes brain damage in children. Is anybody else happy about the good news of mercury being good for you and your kids? I think I am going to break a thermometer and swallow the mercury in it. That should make me feel great and apparently it is nutritious according to this news source.

Uh...what the fuck?

Mainstream media in the US is now saying Mercury is good for Kids. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZArebYZzdc)Somebody needs to edit wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_%28element%29) and other information sources that say mercury is a neurotoxin that causes brain damage in children. Is anybody else happy about the good news of mercury being good for you and your kids? I think I am going to break a thermometer and swallow the mercury in it. That should make me feel great and apparently it is nutritious according to this news source.

Well isn't it easier to advertise you about more good things Mercury does to you when your brain is damaged?

The scientists almost certainly didn't say it like that. Its the age old story, scientists discover something, idiot journalists record it wrong, and then idiot readers read it wrong. Leaving us with a big stupid game of Chinese Whispers where everyone is getting all worked up about something they know nothing about.So the journalist did not say mercury is good for you I just heard it wrong? If a journalist says something wrong people who point it out are idiots? Just because you like newspeak does not mean everyone else wants to hear it. Just remember Oceania has always been at war with eastasia and mercury is good for you.

It does make you quite jolly.

I suppose you haven't heard of hormesis (or radiation hormesis) which might go into explaining how small dose(s) of toxin (so that the toxin doesn't accumulate into toxic levels which often happens in chronic exposure or high acute exposure) can trigger a positive reaction in a body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesisVery interesting do you think the corporations had hormesis on their minds when they put mercury in vaccines? From what I read in your wiki article hormesis needs to be calculated and very specific because the wiki article states"While some cases of hormesis show low doses of toxins showing beneficial effects, others show profoundly adverse effects. The key is that low doses show the opposite effect of high doses. There are many examples where low doses cause detrimental effects not seen in high doses." There are also many medical and scientific groups who reject hormesis as stated in your wiki article"The hormesis model of dose response is largely not accepted study of hormesis has been best developed, perhaps, in the field of ionizing radiation. The United States-based National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements (a body commissioned by U.S. Congress) recently released a report written by national experts in the field which rejects hormesis for ionizing radiation [1]. This is done partly for the sake of caution and partly for the lack of contrary evidence. They conclude that the model that is effective at high doses, that radiation's effects should be considered to be proportional to the dose an individual receives, should be used at low doses as well . This report squarely rejects almost all research showing radiation induced hormesis as being flawed in some way (i.e. the cancer a study focuses on does not exist in humans, a clear threshold could not be established in humans, the assumptions are seriously flawed, the hormetic effect is too short to be useful)."
I did not find anything in your article about mercury being used for hormesis.

I also say very small amounts of plutonium are bad for kids does this also make me a luddite. There is no such thing as a healthy dosage of mercury. There are other safer things than thermisol that can be used in vaccinations that do not contain mercury. Mercury is one of the most toxic elements the most toxic nonnuclear element and it should not be given to small children and babies.
Really? The most toxic nonnuclear? What are you basing that claim off of? I'd say something like Arsenic is pretty toxic.

Additionally, small amounts of plutonium CAN be incredibly beneficial (radiation therapy).

And additionally, I'm going to trust a scientific study over your claims. The mercury used in vaccinations has never been reliably shown to increase autism, so at the very least, it is not particularly harmful as far as we have seen.

And the media didn't make this claim. Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.

Really? The most toxic nonnuclear? What are you basing that claim off of? I'd say something like Arsenic is pretty toxic.

Additionally, small amounts of plutonium CAN be incredibly beneficial (radiation therapy).

And additionally, I'm going to trust a scientific study over your claims. The mercury used in vaccinations has never been reliably shown to increase autism, so at the very least, it is not particularly harmful as far as we have seen.

And the media didn't make this claim. Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.Small amounts of plutionium are very deadly. Small amounts of radiation that can be used. Can you show me a doctor who injects plutionium in their patients in modern medicine because I have never heard of it. Also radiation is not good for you it is just effective at killing cancer.

Small amounts of plutionium are very deadly. Small amounts of radiation that can be used. Can you show me a doctor who injects plutionium in their patients in modern medicine because I have never heard of it. Also radiation is not good for you it is just effective at killing cancer.

And killing cancer isn't good for you?

Oh, and it was formerly used to power pacemakers untill Li batteries proved to be longer lasting. There are still many patients with the old version, however.

sometimes you get reports like chemical x doesnt cause desease y. So everyone says "Its healthy!". But they fail to realize that it does cause desease z,v, and w

Lots of bu****it being flung around. I'll give you a choice: swallow 10 grams of plutonium or 10 grams of cyanide.

Better take the plutonium, because if you take the cyanide you're dead. Most of the plutonium will pass right on through. A very small amount may stay behind, but most of that will be absorbed into tissues. That amount can cause three things to happen. Cells will not be damaged by the alpha radiation; so no problem. Cells are damaged, but repair themselves normally; so no problem. Cells are damaged, and repair themselves abnormally; maybe a problem in the long term. So your sole risk is a very, very low probability of cancer. versus a sudden and certain death.

We live in a world that gives each of us on average about 400 mREM radiation dose per year. The cautious nature of all radiation regulators is that any radiation is bad radiation and that is based primarily on a LACK of evidence; it's virtually impossible to prove a negative.

It's all in the dose amount. Lots of something, something in the wrong part of the body, etc., no matter what the something, is bad for you. Sometimes just a little something, the right amount in the right place, can actually be beneficial.

Water is good for you, right? But not several gallons in the lungs...

And killing cancer isn't good for you?

Oh, and it was formerly used to power pacemakers untill Li batteries proved to be longer lasting. There are still many patients with the old version, however.Yes killing cancer is good but that does not mean radiation is healthy. If it was cancer free patients would go and get radiation.

Lots of bu****it being flung around. I'll give you a choice: swallow 10 grams of plutonium or 10 grams of cyanide.

Better take the plutonium, because if you take the cyanide you're dead. Most of the plutonium will pass right on through.How about we swallow neither

Plenty of things which are deadly in large doses are perfectly harmless (if not beneficial) in low doses.

Yes. Such as water.

with something like this poping up as a news report two conclutions about them is forthcomeing seeing as when thay say mercury the first thing in most minds is not the natural form that is found in things like fish.

1.thay are idiots.
or
2.thay talk lies.

My opinion is that thay lie, but that is just my opinion.

I did not find anything in your article about mercury being used for hormesis.As far as I know, there are very few valid and studied hormesis 'treatments' or effects.

However, I was talking about principle: In principle hormesis could explain why a tiny dose of deadly toxin, like mercury, could infact lead to a 'better result'.

The problem is that as long as a substance or source is known to be toxic, there's no way an ethical doctor would study its effects on humans, or even other primates, as the consequence - as per relatively uncontested (& untested) linear no threshold model - is already presumed to be known and harmful. Thus, most studies of eg. radiation poisoning are from sources that relate very little to controlled minute/low exposure over a period of time/singular doses with large mammals, like for example statistical studies of hiroshima victims with huge exposure more or less 'instantly' or mouse tests which might relate poorly to larger mammals, let alone humans.

Mind you, I'm not promoting injecting various quantities of mercury to children or adults because the results would be a gamble with too high risks compared to possible benefits. Though, I must say two things for mercury:
1. Amalgam fillings: A continual exposure to minute amounts of mercury in millions of people which still 'fails' to cause unequivocally provable major health concerns.
2. Fish: Some fish have high concentration of mercury (eg. in Baltic Sea), yet eating fish - up to a point - is still considered healthy.