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Ok so I've watch this Dateline special on MSNBC where they set up "sting" operation to catch pedophiles talking dirty to a decoy who poses as either a 13 year old boy, or a 13 year old girl. After Dateline get their interview in, they let them go, and then the local authority arrest the person and take them into booking and questioning. However, as I watch this I wonder if this is ethical. I mean yes they are pedophiles and I believe that pedophile should be castrated and receive the "Katie's Revenge" treatment.

http://wishtv.images.worldnow.com/images/5456126_BG1.jpg

I mean have they really broken any laws since they haven't really been talking dirty to a 13 year old, but rather an 18 year old? Also, is it better to trap a pedophile before they actually commit a crime, or wait until they do? What do you guys think?

Ethics are individually decided and individually based, I think the word your looking for is Morals. Also, who gives a shit? Why do you care if other people think its moral? MODEDIT: Remove the flame

I think the key bit here is intent. As long as they believed it was a thirteen year old...

Ethics are individually decided and individually based, I think the word your looking for is Morals. Also, who gives a shit? Why do you care if other people think its moral? Decide your own fucking ethics dickweed

Wow.... I forsee that your time here on NSG will be short unless you drop the attitude Princess.

Yes and no, the first statement of note is they haven’t actually committed a crime, and it is hard to define how far they will go, for instance police in Brittan set up a sting operation where they set up a meeting between an imaginary "12 year old" and some guy who was in his 20's. When the busted him he was carrying condoms and lubricant. Now what if they hadn’t done that and some real child became a victim, I believe that alone justifies it.

However different levels of the crime would require different levels of punishment and attempted crime cannot be as clearly defined as a crime which has been committed. And in terms of rehabilitation it's good to fix the problem before it starts.
Plus it makes real pedophiles more cautious and less likely to try and commit these crimes using the internet.

Fuck off and chat up another thirteen year old you fat ugly nerd pedo

You only prove Wilgrove's point.

Fuck off and chat up another thirteen year old you fat ugly nerd pedo
Bye.:)

The fact that they haven't been talking to a thirteen-year-old is irrelevant; they thought they were.

And of course it is better to trap them before they commit a crime - assuming their guilt is clear, anyway. That's one of the things I'd be worried about.

Fuck off and chat up another thirteen year old you fat ugly nerd pedo

Look here Barbie, I may detest children, I may find them annoying as hell, and I sure as hell want to scream if I ever get stuck next to a baby on an airplane, and the baby wont stop crying. However if I ever catch a pedophile, or know a pedophile when I see one, I will personally beat his ass to an inch of his life. I find pedophiles to be the lowest form of life on this earth, and they are not even worthy the touch the bottom of my boot. With that being said, I think you better just step off right now because you do not know me personally and until you do, I would refrain from calling me anything that would even be considered slander because buddy on here you have no idea who is on the other side.

Ethics are individually decided and individually based, I think the word your looking for is Morals.

that's a strange distinction

Fuck off and chat up another thirteen year old you fat ugly nerd pedo

troll alert

I think the only time they are actually arrested and charged is is they are registered sex offenders. If they are not then they are just embarrased on national TV. They chose to go to that house so they lose their right to privacy.

Ok so I've watch this Dateline special on MSNBC where they set up "sting" operation to catch pedophiles talking dirty to a decoy who poses as either a 13 year old boy, or a 13 year old girl. After Dateline get their interview in, they let them go, and then the local authority arrest the person and take them into booking and questioning. However, as I watch this I wonder if this is ethical. I mean yes they are pedophiles and I believe that pedophile should be castrated and receive the "Katie's Revenge" treatment.

http://wishtv.images.worldnow.com/images/5456126_BG1.jpg

I mean have they really broken any laws since they haven't really been talking dirty to a 13 year old, but rather an 18 year old? Also, is it better to trap a pedophile before they actually commit a crime, or wait until they do? What do you guys think?

It's mindless entertainment, and it's fun to see these criminals caught and handcuffed before they do anything bad against society like they all will do. Who knows? Maybe we can make it legal for these shows to kill the people they trap.

/Sarcasm

This show reminds me of Fahrenheit 451 when the police lose track of Montag and instead purposefully kill a scapegoat: some unlucky person out at night who might commit a crime later in their life because they go on walks.

I think the only time they are actually arrested and charged is is they are registered sex offenders. If they are not then they are just embarrased on national TV. They chose to go to that house so they lose their right to privacy.Don't they have to sign a release to appear on TV, though?

This show reminds me of Fahrenheit 451 when the police lose track of Montag and instead purposefully kill a scapegoat: some unlucky person out at night who might commit a crime later in their life because they go on walks.
Who was the scapegoat? I read the book in HS, but i forgot.

Ok so I've watch this Dateline special on MSNBC where they set up "sting" operation to catch pedophiles talking dirty to a decoy who poses as either a 13 year old boy, or a 13 year old girl. After Dateline get their interview in, they let them go, and then the local authority arrest the person and take them into booking and questioning. However, as I watch this I wonder if this is ethical. I mean yes they are pedophiles and I believe that pedophile should be castrated and receive the "Katie's Revenge" treatment.

http://wishtv.images.worldnow.com/images/5456126_BG1.jpg

I mean have they really broken any laws since they haven't really been talking dirty to a 13 year old, but rather an 18 year old? Also, is it better to trap a pedophile before they actually commit a crime, or wait until they do? What do you guys think?
It's iffy. Perverted Justice is not a law enforcement entity. but they do work with law enforcement. the problem might be in the courtroom. could what PJ is doing constitute Entrapment?

Ikfaldu: cut it out.

It's iffy. Perverted Justice is not a law enforcement entity. but they do work with law enforcement. the problem might be in the courtroom. could what PJ is doing constitute Entrapment?

it depends on how its done. if they just sit there and dont lead on the pedo, its not entrapment. if they dont suggest that he come to the house and bring a 6pack of beer.

besides, as long as they are not in league with the police (and that seems arguable to me) it doesnt matter that its entrapment. it only matters if the police entrap.

it depends on how its done. if they just sit there and dont lead on the pedo, its not entrapment. if they dont suggest that he come to the house and bring a 6pack of beer.

besides, as long as they are not in league with the police (and that seems arguable to me) it doesnt matter that its entrapment. it only matters if the police entrap.

that's the problem. some of what they show on Dateline sounds like PJ is initiating the sex talk and it leads to them inviting the pedo out to the house.

if PJ is not careful, they can be hit with a lawsuit if it's found that they did initiate and lead the person into the arrest.

that's the problem. some of what they show on Dateline sounds like PJ is initiating the sex talk and it leads to them inviting the pedo out to the house.

if PJ is not careful, they can be hit with a lawsuit if it's found that they did initiate and lead the person into the arrest.

yeah the entrapment thing is disturbing.

after all, for someone inclined toward children, the offer of sex might be irresistable and it quite different from going after children on your own.

in real life, 13 year old boys dont start out with an invitation to their home for sex. you can get a kid to agree to meet for sex but it takes a relatively long time to get him hooked.

these men are just so pathetic. their perversion rules them so much that it doesnt even cross their minds that such an easy invitation for sex might be a trap. they are probably lucky that its TV and not some vigilante group ready to beat the crap out of them.

Ok so I've watch this Dateline special on MSNBC where they set up "sting" operation to catch pedophiles talking dirty to a decoy who poses as either a 13 year old boy, or a 13 year old girl. After Dateline get their interview in, they let them go, and then the local authority arrest the person and take them into booking and questioning. However, as I watch this I wonder if this is ethical. I mean yes they are pedophiles and I believe that pedophile should be castrated and receive the "Katie's Revenge" treatment.

http://wishtv.images.worldnow.com/images/5456126_BG1.jpg

I mean have they really broken any laws since they haven't really been talking dirty to a 13 year old, but rather an 18 year old? Also, is it better to trap a pedophile before they actually commit a crime, or wait until they do? What do you guys think?

An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of medicine, I say catch those who are most likely to commit a sexual crime and punish them, a penny saved is a penny earned. If the sex freaks and rapists are gone less people have to suffer under their "rod" of oppression.

yeah the entrapment thing is disturbing.

after all, for someone inclined toward children, the offer of sex might be irresistable and it quite different from going after children on your own.

in real life, 13 year old boys dont start out with an invitation to their home for sex. you can get a kid to agree to meet for sex but it takes a relatively long time to get him hooked.

these men are just so pathetic. their perversion rules them so much that it doesnt even cross their minds that such an easy invitation for sex might be a trap. they are probably lucky that its TV and not some vigilante group ready to beat the crap out of them.

agreed. tho as some found out, Pedo's make excellent punching bags for fellow inmates.

An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of medicine, I say catch those who are most likely to commit a sexual crime and punish them, a penny saved is a penny earned. If the sex freaks and rapists are gone less people have to suffer under their "rod" of oppression.

punish them...for what? YOu say catch those "more likely" to commit a crime, as a male in my 20s I am more likely to commit armed robbery, rape, or murder than say...a woman in her 70s?

Someone with a car is far more likely to commit vehicular manslaughter than someone without one

Should I and the car owner be thus pnished because we are more likely to do something? Howcan you punish someone because of what they MIGHT do?

I mean yes they are pedophiles and I believe that pedophile should be castrated and receive the "Katie's Revenge" treatment.

Ignoring the potential legal problems with that...surely you mean pedophiles who have acted, or attempted to act on their pedophelia, not all pedophiles.

Ignoring the potential legal problems with that...surely you mean pedophiles who have acted, or attempted to act on their pedophelia, not all pedophiles.

Eh sure why not.

Intent to commit a crime is a crime. If I plan a bank robbery, get plans for the bank, assemble a team, get the guns, and get arrested before the crime, I am still guilty of attempted grand larceny and conspiracy.

Eh sure why not.

my point is a pedophile is one who has sexual attraction to children (in fact, in most of those stings when the "child" is 13 and older, it is improper to classify the men in the situations as pedophiles).

That's all it means, an attraction and desire. Now while we an agree that acting on that desire to initiate sex with a child/minor is actionable, to make pedophelia illegal in and of itself is to criminalize thought.

my point is a pedophile is one who has sexual attraction to children (in fact, in most of those stings when the "child" is 13 and older, it is improper to classify the men in the situations as pedophiles).

That's all it means, an attraction and desire. Now while we an agree that acting on that desire to initiate sex with a child/minor is actionable, to make pedophelia illegal in and of itself is to criminalize thought.

Ok I see your point, so yea, if the pedophile has acted on his/her desires, or plans to, then yea I hope they get castrated and get the "Katie's Revenge" treatment.

If you have to ask if something is ethical, it probably isn't.

Who was the scapegoat? I read the book in HS, but i forgot.

It was just some random man who was out walking at night.

13 year olds aren't children anymore, you know...

13 year olds aren't children anymore, you know...

They're still not legal though.

13 year olds aren't children anymore, you know...
Agreed.
They're still not legal though.
That still doesn't mean we can make their lives miserable.

punish them...for what? YOu say catch those "more likely" to commit a crime, as a male in my 20s I am more likely to commit armed robbery, rape, or murder than say...a woman in her 70s?

Someone with a car is far more likely to commit vehicular manslaughter than someone without one

Should I and the car owner be thus pnished because we are more likely to do something? Howcan you punish someone because of what they MIGHT do?
What I meant by 'more likely' was more likely than an average law abiding person.What I meant by with the previous post was that sexually twisted have innate desires that compel them to commit sexual crimes. If someone commits a crime punish him, if its obvious that the person is the kind of person more likely to commit a crime because of his neurological makeup then arrest him, the inner thirst is most likely going to win through and people are going to be scarred for the rest of their lives because the justice system refused to deal with them beforehand.

Ok so I've watch this Dateline special on MSNBC where they set up "sting" operation to catch pedophiles talking dirty to a decoy who poses as either a 13 year old boy, or a 13 year old girl. After Dateline get their interview in, they let them go, and then the local authority arrest the person and take them into booking and questioning. However, as I watch this I wonder if this is ethical. I mean yes they are pedophiles and I believe that pedophile should be castrated and receive the "Katie's Revenge" treatment.

http://wishtv.images.worldnow.com/images/5456126_BG1.jpg

I mean have they really broken any laws since they haven't really been talking dirty to a 13 year old, but rather an 18 year old? Also, is it better to trap a pedophile before they actually commit a crime, or wait until they do? What do you guys think?

Imagine if we all started using the word pedophile in it's correct context? I.e. someone who is *ONLY* attracted to pre-pubescent children (by definition, and with few exceptions, a 13yr-old does not qualify).

Sex with teenagers who are under the countries legal age of consent, is unlawful, and rightly so.. (But that opens up a whole other can of worms since 13year olds have been having sex for at least the last 1000 years).

Forced or coerced sex with anyone is wrong, 13 or 30...

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the media taking stunts like this - it's only to promote viewing/circulation figures. It's be like them leaving a (fake) $100 bill on the sidewalk, filming you picking it up and having you arrested for theft - it is in no way different. It's sickening the depravity of the media chasing viewing figures..

my point is a pedophile is one who has sexual attraction to children (in fact, in most of those stings when the "child" is 13 and older, it is improper to classify the men in the situations as pedophiles).

That's all it means, an attraction and desire. Now while we an agree that acting on that desire to initiate sex with a child/minor is actionable, to make pedophelia illegal in and of itself is to criminalize thought.

Bummer - you said everything I did, just sooner and with less words...

Ok so I've watch this Dateline special on MSNBC where they set up "sting" operation to catch pedophiles talking dirty to a decoy who poses as either a 13 year old boy, or a 13 year old girl. After Dateline get their interview in, they let them go, and then the local authority arrest the person and take them into booking and questioning. However, as I watch this I wonder if this is ethical. I mean yes they are pedophiles and I believe that pedophile should be castrated and receive the "Katie's Revenge" treatment.

http://wishtv.images.worldnow.com/images/5456126_BG1.jpg

I mean have they really broken any laws since they haven't really been talking dirty to a 13 year old, but rather an 18 year old? Also, is it better to trap a pedophile before they actually commit a crime, or wait until they do? What do you guys think?

*Sigh* If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the man/woman in question had full intention of molesting this "13 year old" whom they also perceived as being 13, then he/she needs too go too jail and not collect 200$ on the way. =/

What I meant by 'more likely' was more likely than an average law abiding person.What I meant by with the previous post was that sexually twisted have innate desires that compel them to commit sexual crimes. If someone commits a crime punish him, if its obvious that the person is the kind of person more likely to commit a crime because of his neurological makeup then arrest him, the inner thirst is most likely going to win through and people are going to be scarred for the rest of their lives because the justice system refused to deal with them beforehand.

How do you know though, a paedophile is more likely to commit a crime than a non-paedophile, and has desires that urge them commit such crimes, however there is the definite possbility that they could resist such urges for their entire life. You can't convict on probably of likely, has to be beyond reasonable doubt.

Ok so I've watch this Dateline special on MSNBC where they set up "sting" operation to catch pedophiles talking dirty to a decoy who poses as either a 13 year old boy, or a 13 year old girl. After Dateline get their interview in, they let them go, and then the local authority arrest the person and take them into booking and questioning. However, as I watch this I wonder if this is ethical. I mean yes they are pedophiles and I believe that pedophile should be castrated and receive the "Katie's Revenge" treatment.

http://wishtv.images.worldnow.com/images/5456126_BG1.jpg

I mean have they really broken any laws since they haven't really been talking dirty to a 13 year old, but rather an 18 year old? Also, is it better to trap a pedophile before they actually commit a crime, or wait until they do? What do you guys think?

I have mixed feelings about it too. Watched it a few times when it first started coming on..and it pissed me off a couple of times. The men weren't going there to meet up with 10 year olds.. (at least not the episodes I watched) .. they were going to meet with 14 and 15 year olds, usually asked to bring some alcohol with them. Big difference there imo.. especially when the teen is fast enough to be talking crap to them over the net and inviting them to their house to get drunk. But the guys are stupid for falling for it.. or desperate .. but still stupid. So they deserved it.

The episode I saw where the man kept driving passed the house to scope it out... and the one who was something in a church(youth group something or another).. and when he realized what was going on he started trying to use God to wiggle out of it.. I was glad they got busted.. they were probably real pervs/predators. But some of the others I seen didn't come off as sexual predators at all.. just dumb as hell.

I think the producers should receive a Shovel Award for Excellence.

Is it ethical to use adults to catch those that are trying to abuse children?

its obvious that the person is the kind of person more likely to commit a crime because of his neurological makeup then arrest him, the inner thirst is most likely going to win through and people are going to be scarred for the rest of their lives because the justice system refused to deal with them beforehand.

Those with genetic predisposition to addiction are, I am willing to bet, more likely to have a DUI than those who do not.

Because of who those people are, the risk that they will abuse alchohol is greater.

Shall we arrest everyone who has a predisposition to alchoholism?

No, of course not, that's ludicrus. One is not guilty, until he is guilty. One can not be arrested for the crime that he has not take any affirmative steps to commit but MIGHT commit some time in the undefined future.

Or he might not.

13 year olds aren't children anymore, you know...

Some are.. some aren't. I sure wasn't a kid at 13 and most of the girls I knew my age back then weren't. And the ones that are still kiddos wouldn't be talking shit and trying to coerce some strange man into coming to their house or a room or park.

I mean what gets me about this show is that there is always sexual talk involved.. it's not like they talk about baseball and the perv 'gains their trust' and they are suppose to be meeting up to get a root beer float and they move in on the kid.

I stopped watching it when I realized the show is for ratings.

Ok so I've watch this Dateline special on MSNBC where they set up "sting" operation to catch pedophiles talking dirty to a decoy who poses as either a 13 year old boy, or a 13 year old girl. After Dateline get their interview in, they let them go, and then the local authority arrest the person and take them into booking and questioning. However, as I watch this I wonder if this is ethical. I mean yes they are pedophiles and I believe that pedophile should be castrated and receive the "Katie's Revenge" treatment.


I mean have they really broken any laws since they haven't really been talking dirty to a 13 year old, but rather an 18 year old? Also, is it better to trap a pedophile before they actually commit a crime, or wait until they do? What do you guys think?

I think the key bit here is intent. As long as they believed it was a thirteen year old...

the key bit here is intent. I don't know what I would say to do with people who have made overatures at underaged people...(this may be TMI, but I was interacting with people like that online when I was as young as 8...if I have children, they will not have internet access), but I do know that I find what the media does when they find them disgusting. journalists seem to take pleasure in humiliating people - yes, pedophilia is disgusting and wrong, but I've seen journalists here in arkansas do the same thing to gay people. officers would go to gay hook-up spots and hit on guys, who then came on to them, were arrested, and had their full names and faces plastered all over the news, accused of ruining family picnics and shamelessness when they were hanging out in an empty park after dark. *sigh* I think the best judge of a culture's moral standing is how they treat those who don't deserve to be treated well, or who will never have any power. plastering this kind of thing all over the news is just gross.

I stopped watching it when I realized the show is for ratings.

exactly. the damn show is *thrilled* that there are pedophiles out there to publically humiliate. they're practically manufacturing the crime, because ruining these people's lives (granted, these sick, revolting people) will boost ratings. it's mean spirited and gross.

-sniptions-officers would go to gay hook-up spots and hit on guys, who then came on to them, were arrested, and had their full names and faces plastered all over the news, accused of ruining family picnics and shamelessness when they were hanging out in an empty park after dark.-sniptions-

That's just f'd up.



exactly. the damn show is *thrilled* that there are pedophiles out there to publically humiliate. they're practically manufacturing the crime, because ruining these people's lives (granted, these sick, revolting people) will boost ratings. it's mean spirited and gross.

I agree.

Also .. I've never liked it when a drug user gets busted after being sold the drug from a cop pretending to be a drug dealer. I can hardly agree with a cop pretending to be a buyer and busting a ready dealer .. but definatly not the other way around.

I'm gonna laugh when someone figures this shit out and comes with a shotgun instead of beer.

I'm gonna laugh when someone figures this shit out and comes with a shotgun instead of beer.
I actually hope that happens. Give the ephebo's a break and lower the age of fucking consent already! :gundge:

I'm gonna laugh when someone figures this shit out and comes with a shotgun instead of beer.

Heck some of them knew the show it was and everything after the cameras came out.. They had watched it before. lol

I actually hope that happens. Give the ephebo's a break and lower the age of fucking consent already! :gundge:

I hope they show it, too. Media fearmongering bastards should have their heads blown off more often.

Ok so I've watch this Dateline special on MSNBC where they set up "sting" operation to catch pedophiles talking dirty to a decoy who poses as either a 13 year old boy, or a 13 year old girl. After Dateline get their interview in, they let them go, and then the local authority arrest the person and take them into booking and questioning. However, as I watch this I wonder if this is ethical. I mean yes they are pedophiles and I believe that pedophile should be castrated and receive the "Katie's Revenge" treatment.

http://wishtv.images.worldnow.com/images/5456126_BG1.jpg

I mean have they really broken any laws since they haven't really been talking dirty to a 13 year old, but rather an 18 year old? Also, is it better to trap a pedophile before they actually commit a crime, or wait until they do? What do you guys think?
Just a question.
When did you see it?
IS this old because i used to listen to a Texan Radio show involving a certain Lex and Terry, i believe they were from Dallas, anyways... last April or MAy they did a show about a Dateline sting just like this.

Was it an old program?