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I believe in the equality of the sexes and consider myself to be a feminist, yet I cringe every time I see someone purposely misspell women/woman in such a manner. Maybe it's just because I nitpick over spelling, but I think it really makes the writer look really dumb. I mean, I can't be the only one who thinks that it's not a good idea to butcher the english language in the name of equality.

Something about the fact that "woman" has "man" in it.

I dunno...

I guess they forget that the term "man" is also an non-gender specific term referring to all humans. In fact, the etymology of the term makes that usage completely incorrect.

Yes, but "man" was originally the gender neutral word referring to a human being. If anything, they should be determined to stick a prefix onto men to describe the male of the species and making the word man gender neutral again.

It's done because people don't understand etymology.

Basically, it all comes from Middle or Old English, I forget which. Anyways, it was as follows.

Mann - human
Wermann - man, literally "male-human"
Wyfmann - woman, literally "wife-human"

Yes, but "man" was originally the gender neutral word referring to a human being. If anything, they should be determined to stick a prefix onto men to describe the male of the species and making the word man gender neutral again.

Well, actually the "wo" part of woman was the gender-specific component; it's entirely possible that there was a similar one for man but it was lost at some point. It's also entirely possible that there was no need for a similar gender marker.

Compare the fact that in German, "der Mensch" is specifically the term for a human being. It is not gender specific by any stretch.

Some feminist rubbish...MUST KILL FEMINISTS!!!

It's done because people don't understand etymology.

Basically, it all comes from Middle or Old English, I forget which. Anyways, it was as follows.

Mann - human
Wermann - man, literally "male-human"
Wyfmynn - womyn, literally "wife-human"

Opps you misspelled. :p

Well, actually the "wo" part of woman was the gender-specific component; it's entirely possible that there was a similar one for man but it was lost at some point.

Look above your post. There was one. It's still around in the word "werewolf".

Yes, but "man" was originally the gender neutral word referring to a human being. If anything, they should be determined to stick a prefix onto men to describe the male of the species and making the word man gender neutral again.

He-man!

Yeay!

All for it.

Some feminist rubbish...MUST KILL FEMINISTS!!!

Yeah, fuck people who think that the sexes should be treated equally! Everyone knows women are objects created by the Lord Jesus Christ for men's entertainment!

Look above your post. There was one. It's still around in the word "werewolf".

Oh, thanks. I didn't see that when I posted. I figured that was the case; it is highly unusual to have a term that means both "male human" and "human being" so I figured that there was something lost along the way.

I believe in the equality of the sexes and consider myself to be a feminist, yet I cringe every time I see someone purposely misspell women/woman in such a manner. Maybe it's just because I nitpick over spelling, but I think it really makes the writer look really dumb. I mean, I can't be the only one who thinks that it's not a good idea to butcher the english language in the name of equality.

I don't use it, but I do think "Womyn" is kinda sexy. ;)

I don't use it, but I do think "Womyn" is kinda sexy. ;)

What about getting mail from the femaleman?

Ok it was a retarded reference.....


The only problem with "womyn" is that the ones who use it are not that sexy....well of the ones I have met.....

Yes, but "man" was originally the gender neutral word referring to a human being.

but its not anymore. or at least not unproblematically.

I think they chose a y becaust of gyn- meaning women. Just a theory, I really can't back that up.

Better than Riot Grrrrrl, I hate that.

but its not anymore. or at least not unproblematically.

Not in my experience.

Well, actually the "wo" part of woman was the gender-specific component;
Isn't that what I just said?

it's entirely possible that there was a similar one for man but it was lost at some point. It's also entirely possible that there was no need for a similar gender marker.
There was a similar one for men.

Better than Riot Grrrrrl

has anyone ever used that as the general term for people with two x chromosomes or those adopting the gender roles typically assigned to such?

Not in my experience.

if i were to point and say "hey, look at that man over there!", you wouldn't look for a male?

if i were to point and say "hey, look at that man over there!", you wouldn't look for a male?

I would. But that's a whole different issue, relating to grammar. You used it as a singular noun, so it means male. Man is a plural noun when it means human.

has anyone ever used that as the general term for people with two x chromosomes or those adopting the gender roles typically assigned to such?

Mostly I hear people refer to themselves that way. I think all three riot grrrlz tried but failed to make that a mainstream term for the xx gender.

I prefer wimminz myself.

Mostly I hear people refer to themselves that way. I think all three riot grrrlz tried but failed to make that a mainstream term for the xx gender.

are you sure they aren't just talking about punk rock?

are you sure they aren't just talking about punk rock?

That might be it's intended purpose, but I think the PDX riot grrrrlz missed that part.

It's something to do with the saphir-worf hypothesis.

Yes, that's right, if we spell it women, klingons will kill us.

I believe in the equality of the sexes and consider myself to be a feminist, yet I cringe every time I see someone purposely misspell women/woman in such a manner. Maybe it's just because I nitpick over spelling, but I think it really makes the writer look really dumb. I mean, I can't be the only one who thinks that it's not a good idea to butcher the english language in the name of equality.

people still do that? i guess to me it means they are stuck back in 1977.

It doesn't particularly bother me, and in fact I am amused at how vehement people get when confronted by this particular spelling.

well, "womyn" is useless. It still has an "m" and an "n" together which is too close to "men" for comfort. So it should be womyb.

"Womyb" is too close to "womb." We're not a baby factories. So now it should be qomyb, and that's too hard to pronounce.

Screw it. I'll take whatever I can get.

This particular spelling is a misspelling.

I believe in the equality of the sexes and consider myself to be a feminist, yet I cringe every time I see someone purposely misspell women/woman in such a manner. Maybe it's just because I nitpick over spelling, but I think it really makes the writer look really dumb. I mean, I can't be the only one who thinks that it's not a good idea to butcher the english language in the name of equality.

Frankly, I think it's overreacting from their side. I'm a feminist man: I believe women have every single right that men do, should be treated as men are under the law, should have the same opportunities, ect ect. I hate when I see typical female stereotypes in stories like the damsel in distress being rescued by the macho man or what have you. I'm much more attracted to strong--in terms of personality and determination--women with intelligence than big breasted blonde haired air-headed bimbos(I'm actually not attracted to that type of women at ALL, quite frankly.) I just think that equal should mean equal. It shouldn't mean men should be oppressed in subtle ways all over the place as some of these overreacting feminists would have us do. It also means understanding how language works. As pointed out, man used to be a gender neutral pronoun. It probably should be again, methinks.

I would. But that's a whole different issue, relating to grammar. You used it as a singular noun, so it means male. Man is a plural noun when it means human.

use it in a sentence that doesn't sound old and pompous

How many women use this spelling?

Not a whole hell of a lot.

So we're getting in a tizzy over....?

How many women use this spelling?

Not a whole hell of a lot.

So we're getting in a tizzy over....?

uppity women that don't know their place and have to be smacked down, pretty much

uppity women that don't know their place and have to be smacked down, pretty much

Seems to be the case. "How dare they take liberties with our sacred language for political purpose!"

Because no one else does that.

How many women use this spelling?

Not a whole hell of a lot.

So we're getting in a tizzy over....?
I joined a group on facebook that's suppsoed to be in support of the right to choose, they used this spelling and I commented on it. I'm just wondering why some people insist on using it at all.

I joined a group on facebook that's suppsoed to be in support of the right to choose, they used this spelling and I commented on it. I'm just wondering why some people insist on using it at all.

Oh, I think that is pretty clear, and doesn't take much thinking about, honestly.

But making fun of it...that is a lot more fun.

Oh, I think that is pretty clear, and doesn't take much thinking about, honestly.

But making fun of it...that is a lot more fun.
I don't think it's clear why anyone uses the improper spelling, unless it's to look stupid.


And yeah, making fun of it is more fun.

Yes, but "man" was originally the gender neutral word referring to a human being. If anything, they should be determined to stick a prefix onto men to describe the male of the species and making the word man gender neutral again.

The word dog is also used to describe a species and its male.

I believe in the equality of the sexes and consider myself to be a feminist, yet I cringe every time I see someone purposely misspell women/woman in such a manner. Maybe it's just because I nitpick over spelling, but I think it really makes the writer look really dumb. I mean, I can't be the only one who thinks that it's not a good idea to butcher the english language in the name of equality.

It is a personal expression. It is an iconclastic treatment of the term 'woman', to make it unique, rather than contingent in some way upon 'man'.

We can argue etymology, but language usage doesn't care about etymology - it cares about what a word means here, and now. And some people choose to use the word 'womyn' (or womon) to express something about themselves, and how they interact with (and wish to be interacted with by) the world.

I don't think it's clear why anyone uses the improper spelling, unless it's to look stupid.

I think you're deliberately avoiding considering the reasons, in favour of rejecting it outright because it offends your sensibilities.

Here are some reasons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womyn). Now, you may not think the reasons are valid, and you might still consider the spelling to be silly. But stupidity is not, in fact, one of the reasons for the spelling itself.

And yeah, making fun of it is more fun.
On that we can agree. It's just nice to have things out in the open.

I think you're deliberately avoiding considering the reasons, in favour of rejecting it outright because it offends your sensibilities.

Here are some reasons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womyn). Now, you may not think the reasons are valid, and you might still consider the spelling to be silly. But stupidity is not, in fact, one of the reasons for the spelling itself.
Well, yes, I don't consider the reasons valid. I consider them silly.

I believe in the equality of the sexes and consider myself to be a feminist, yet I cringe every time I see someone purposely misspell women/woman in such a manner. Maybe it's just because I nitpick over spelling, but I think it really makes the writer look really dumb. I mean, I can't be the only one who thinks that it's not a good idea to butcher the english language in the name of equality.

It's not just you; I think it's stupid, too.

Well, yes, I don't consider the reasons valid. I consider them silly.

That's different than the quality of silliness (or stupidity, nouns) being the reason for the spelling. Silly in the sense you are using it is an adjective :p

So silliness and/or stupidity didn't cause this spelling to be created. But silly and/or stupid people might have...

It's not just you; I think it's stupid, too.

That's rather unwomynly of you!

I don't think it's clear why anyone uses the improper spelling, unless it's to look stupid.

spelling, like language in general, evolves. some changes just happen, others are intentionally fostered. what of it?

spelling, like language in general, evolves. some changes just happen, others are intentionally fostered. what of it?

It's only okay when it's US making the changes, and not people we oppose politically.

Others further argue that "womyn" is based on a medieval spelling of the word, and that returning to the old model of waeman and wyfman meaning man and woman, respectively, would be more egalitarian.


Men and women were more egalitarian a thousand years ago than they are now? Exactly what hystory have they been reading?

Men and women were more egalitarian a thousand years ago than they are now? Exactly what hystory have they been reading?

you mean 'herstory' - history has 'his' at the start...

what i find funny is how overtly anti-male womyn (as opposed to women) can be, while simultaneously screaming about 'prejudice'...

I believe in the equality of the sexes and consider myself to be a feminist, yet I cringe every time I see someone purposely misspell women/woman in such a manner. Maybe it's just because I nitpick over spelling, but I think it really makes the writer look really dumb. I mean, I can't be the only one who thinks that it's not a good idea to butcher the english language in the name of equality.dunno... maybe someone just mispelt it and everyone else in the group thought "kewl!" and kept it.



I don't mind such spelling if it's for certain reasons.

I hate pseudo-feminists. You know, the types that say "men suck" and deliberately misspell stuff. I refuse to be referred to as "grrrl" "womyn" "gurl" "chick" or whatever else, I will go by Pancake.

Those are the people who also either think women are superior, or don't know what the flying gopher hell they are talking about.

Because pretty much any other letter looks retarded. "Womin" "Womzn" "Womizzle"

Something about the fact that "woman" has "man" in it.

I dunno...

HAHAHA "Woman" has a "man" in it!!! HAHAHA I heart unintentional sexual innuendo!

I hate pseudo-feminists. You know, the types that say "men suck" and deliberately misspell stuff. I refuse to be referred to as "grrrl" "womyn" "gurl" "chick" or whatever else, I will go by Pancake.

Those are the people who also either think women are superior, or don't know what the flying gopher hell they are talking about.

I tend to counter sexism or racism with even more horrific sexism or racism. For example:

My friend: White people can't dance...
Me: Oh yeah? While all Pakistanis are addicted to heroin!

Yes, the above actually happened. "All pakistanis are addicted to heroin!" became sort of a random saying with my friends for a while.

And more recently,

My friend: Men are *Something something, oppression*
Me: *Rests my hand on hers* It's okay to be inferior.

Because pretty much any other letter looks retarded. "Womin" "Womzn" "Womizzle"

Or "female".

Oh wiat.... "male" whoops...

How about the womyn(s?) refer to themselves as retarded b#@!es?

HAHAHA "Woman" has a "man" in it!!! HAHAHA I heart unintentional sexual innuendo!

Damn! I haven't even thought of that, and my mind's fucked up!

Or "female".

Oh wiat.... "male" whoops...

How about the womyn(s?) refer to themselves as retarded b#@!es?

I'm strongly in favor of this.

what i find funny is how overtly anti-male womyn (as opposed to women) can be, while simultaneously screaming about 'prejudice'...

anti-male domination

Or "female".

Oh wiat.... "male" whoops...

How about the womyn(s?) refer to themselves as retarded b#@!es?

Fem.

HAHAHA "Woman" has a "man" in it!!! HAHAHA I heart unintentional sexual innuendo!

What is "woman" is a lesbian?

...Just curious.

(no, not like that, perv... :rolleyes:)

Fem.

Fem?

Femin?

I'm leaning toward "retarded b@#$%es" for the "womyn" types, not real feminists.

anti-male domination

nope, i mean actually anti-male
i'm particularly thinking of some incredibly stupid bitches i worked with for three years at a student union in the nineties, who espoused 'penetration is violence / there is no such thing as consent' man-hating bile at every opportunity

What is "woman" is a lesbian?

...Just curious.

(no, not like that, perv... :rolleyes:)

...Need...NSG...lesbian...porn....


:p

nope, i mean actually anti-male
i'm particularly thinking of some incredibly stupid bitches i worked with for three years at a student union in the nineties, who espoused 'penetration is violence / there is no such thing as consent' man-hating bile at every opportunity

So...what they're saying is it would be just a big a problem if someone raped them as if someone just had sex with them?

I don't think that would last very long if they actually got raped.


I take one pleasure from this: These bitches are dying virgins.

...Need...NSG...lesbian...porn....


:p

I'm not a lesbian.

I'd say something sarcastically feminazi-ish, but I can't think of anything. :(

nope, i mean actually anti-male
i'm particularly thinking of some incredibly stupid bitches i worked with for three years at a student union in the nineties, who espoused 'penetration is violence / there is no such thing as consent' man-hating bile at every opportunity

i doubt their existence, or your interpretation of their meaning

So...what they're saying is it would be just a big a problem if someone raped them as if someone just had sex with them?

I don't think that would last very long if they actually got raped.

I take one pleasure from this: These bitches are dying virgins.

oh yeah, "all men are rapists" was another of their favourites

and unsurprisingly, they were all dykes

nope, i mean actually anti-male
i'm particularly thinking of some incredibly stupid bitches i worked with for three years at a student union in the nineties, who espoused 'penetration is violence / there is no such thing as consent' man-hating bile at every opportunity

Now, interestingly, isn't this more anti-woman then anti-male? I mean, think about it. They're saying woman can't make decisions for themselves. These fuckers hate EVERYONE except other radical creeps like themselves.

I take one pleasure from this: These bitches are dying virgins.

because lesbian sex ain't real sex?

I'm not a lesbian.

I'd say something sarcastically feminazi-ish, but I can't think of anything. :(

... "Heil Hillary"?

i doubt their existence, or your interpretation of their meaning

Sorry to say, if you doubt they exist, you are naive.

i doubt their existence, or your interpretation of their meaning

they existed - i actually bumped into one of them a few years later, she told me she'd totally disassociated herself from the rest of them, and apologised profusely to me for some of the shit they'd put me through

and their meaning was absolutely clear, i'm quoting them word for word

because lesbian sex ain't real sex?

I know people who think this.

... "Heil Hillary"?

:p

Thanks. :fluffle: :D

I'm not a lesbian.

I'd say something sarcastically feminazi-ish, but I can't think of anything. :(

I know. Plus you're like my age. Just because you're a minor doesn't mean you can't get charged with kiddy porn.

I know people who think this.

As do I.

Then again, I live in Uberfundie Carolina, so it's not as surprising.

Most girl around here don't know what a clitoris is.

As do I.

Then again, I live in Uberfundie Carolina, so it's not as surprising.

Most girl around here don't know what a clitoris is.

Tell them it will kill them if their boyfriend touches it. Have some fun.

Tell them it will kill them if their boyfriend touches it. Have some fun.

:rolleyes: Yeah, like I'm going to go around and tell every girl I see what a clitoris is.

and unsurprisingly, they were all dykes

mmm, misogyny

:rolleyes: Yeah, like I'm going to go around and tell every girl I see what a clitoris is.

We clearly have different personalities. But then again, I live in a town where pretty much any liberal cause march is pointless, as 99% of the town agrees with you. Our library (Not school library, although that one has stuff like Go Ask Alice) has entire books on masturbation.

mmm, misogyny

Hardly. He's merely pointing out it isn't very surprising that someone so rabidly anti-male isn't straight.

Though I consider myself a strong feminist, when I see someone using "womyn" it just screams nutjob.

And I knew where my clitoris was a long time before I knew what it was called. Thank you curiosity. :D

Though I consider myself a strong feminist, when I see someone using "womyn" it just screams nutjob.

And I knew where my clitoris was a long time before I knew what it was called. Thank you curiosity. :D

...I thought you were a guy. If so, that isn't your clitoris.

Seriously though, this sounds disturbingly like a confession of masturbating...

...I thought you were a guy. If so, that isn't you're clitoris.

Oh come on, the name is "Bitchkitten", for fuck's sake... :p

Oh come on, the name is "Bitchkitten", for fuck's sake... :p

Fair enough.

And I have one thing to say to all you "womyn":
http://www.kiddlive.com/images/IronMyShirt.jpg


Look in the back.

And if that one doesn't click, this one's cool:

http://www.somethingpositive.net/arch/myvagina.gif

...I thought you were a guy. If so, that isn't your clitoris.

Seriously though, this sounds disturbingly like a confession of masturbating...
LOL-with a name like Bitchkitten?
Oh boy are you clueless. Get out much?
And why does a confession about masturbation disturb you?:p
Okay, now I'll quit ragging on you. But it was fun.

Then again, I live in Uberfundie Carolina, so it's not as surprising.

Most girl around here don't know what a clitoris is.
Hey, same here in Uberfundie Texas.

I like women.
I like womyn.

Whatever. They're all the same inside.
Though I must admit that the y-spelling might bug me.. just a *bit*!

Hey, same here in Uberfundie Texas.

If the fundies keep going on like this, nobody in the US is going to know what a clitoris is.

If the fundies keep going on like this, nobody in the US is going to know what a clitoris is.Living in Uberfundie Oklahoma. Grew up in Texas, Oklahoma and South Carolina. It's no wonder I found it by myself.:p

If the fundies keep going on like this, nobody in the US is going to know what a clitoris is.

Oh, they'll know. There will just be a massive surge of underground bondage porn on the market in that scenario.

Living in Uberfundie Oklahoma. Grew up in Texas, Oklahoma and South Carolina. It's no wonder I found it by myself.:p

I didn't even know what it was until I was 11.

It all etymologically stems form the German, for example a phrase could be 'Man ist was man isst.) 'You are what you eat' or people in general, a very specific completely non-gender term (indeed, the German for male/husband is Mann, spelled differently)

As do I.

Then again, I live in Uberfundie Carolina, so it's not as surprising.

Most girl around here don't know what a clitoris is.

not to sound ignorant... bit what is a clitoris?

jk....

Oh, they'll know. There will just be a massive surge of underground bondage porn on the market in that scenario.

I think I've finally found an upside to the fundy christians running things.

Heh, what is the clitoris. I remember that bit from the South Park movie:p

Heh, what is the clitoris. I remember that bit from the South Park movie:p

Rule #1 of Clitoris: You don't talk about clitoris. [/endreferencetomovieiveneverseen]

I think I've finally found an upside to the fundy christians running things.Underground bondage porn is a badd badd thing!


Do you know how much more it will cost if it's only available underground?:D

If the fundies keep going on like this, nobody in the US is going to know what a clitoris is.

Something from Ze Frank. (http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/04/041806.html)

This gets relevant a little less than halfway through.

Underground bondage porn is a badd badd thing!


Do you know how much more it will cost if it's only available underground?:D

Yeah, but I'll shank 'em, grab the porn, and run.


I think anyone who says "womyn" in any way other than jesting/ironic should win the Shovel Award for Excellence (I dare someone to ask me what that is.)

I think anyone who says "womyn" in any way other than jesting/ironic should win the Shovel Award for Excellence (I dare someone to ask me what that is.)

"Wham! Dig dig dig."?

"Wham! Dig dig dig."?

Indeed. Or, if you feel evil, *WHAM! Squelch, squelch, squelch*

mmm, misogyny

not mysogyny in the slightest - the fact of the matter is that every one of the women (womyn) i am talking about was a lesbian
if you're objecting to my use of the word 'dyke', it's what they called themselves
how about responding to my point instead?

Now, interestingly, isn't this more anti-woman then anti-male? I mean, think about it. They're saying woman can't make decisions for themselves. These fuckers hate EVERYONE except other radical creeps like themselves.

goddamn dodgy f#@#&ing jolt servers!
several hours later...

that's a point i made at the time during an argument about pornography
they wanted to outlaw it completely, and i asked them why they wanted to give the patriarchy they so vehemently opposed the power to tell a woman what she could or couldn't do with her own body

goddamn dodgy f#@#&ing jolt servers!
several hours later...

that's a point i made at the time during an argument about pornography
they wanted to outlaw it completely, and i asked them why they wanted to give the patriarchy they so vehemently opposed the power to tell a woman what she could or couldn't do with her own bodySilliness.
I have no problem being a feminist and liking porn.

you mean 'herstory' - history has 'his' at the start...

what i find funny is how overtly anti-male womyn (as opposed to women) can be, while simultaneously screaming about 'prejudice'...

Hmm. curious.

In the US, people are making a big deal about whether 'gays' should be allowed to get married. Not just the fight over civil unions, but whether 'marriage' is a specific institution that is defined by a certain gender orientation.

The argument used to support stopping people using the term 'marriage' is "different, but equal".

'Womyn' are claiming a role that is different, but equal - and yet - somehow this is a problem?

nope, i mean actually anti-male
i'm particularly thinking of some incredibly stupid bitches i worked with for three years at a student union in the nineties, who espoused 'penetration is violence / there is no such thing as consent' man-hating bile at every opportunity

And, for them, perhaps it was true.

I know guys who would say the same thing about the possibility of being penetrated.

I take one pleasure from this: These bitches are dying virgins.

It's good that you take pleasure from the suffering of others. :rolleyes:

Of course, I wonder how sheltered one must be to think the options are 'penetration' or 'die a virgin'.

oh yeah, "all men are rapists" was another of their favourites

and unsurprisingly, they were all dykes

Just because a gurl turns you down, doesn't mean she's gay...

It's good that you take pleasure from the suffering of others. :rolleyes: Why is virginity considered "suffering"? I've been a virgin for the last 15 years of my life, I haven't suffered from the lack of sex.

I believe in the equality of the sexes and consider myself to be a feminist, yet I cringe every time I see someone purposely misspell women/woman in such a manner. Maybe it's just because I nitpick over spelling, but I think it really makes the writer look really dumb. I mean, I can't be the only one who thinks that it's not a good idea to butcher the english language in the name of equality.

Amen. (Or should that be spelled 'Amyn'?)

Yeah, fuck people who think that the sexes should be treated equally! Everyone knows women are objects created by the Lord Jesus Christ for men's entertainment!

Are you suggesting they aren't? :eek:

Are you suggesting they aren't? :eek:

:eek:

HERESY! BLASPHEMY! Oh, won't someone think of the children!

if you're objecting to my use of the word 'dyke', it's what they called themselves

it is neither the word nor their usage which screams 'lookit me everybody, i'm an asshole!' - it's your tone. "stupid bitches" that are "unsurprisingly...all dykes" doesn't make you look anything like pro-woman. it makes you look like a fucktard.

I know guys who would say the same thing about the possibility of being penetrated.

"but clearly, man's inherent position is as the penetrator, while women require being the penetratee. that's just natural..."

it is neither the word nor their usage which screams 'lookit me everybody, i'm an asshole!' - it's your tone. "stupid bitches" that are "unsurprisingly...all dykes" doesn't make you look anything like pro-woman. it makes you look like a fucktard.

Maybe he's only pro-women-that-will-fuck-him?

Why is virginity considered "suffering"? I've been a virgin for the last 15 years of my life, I haven't suffered from the lack of sex.

That's because for most of those fifteen years you didn't have a sex drive.

Maybe he's only pro-women-that-will-fuck-him?

could be. though one assumes that eventually that number will be negligible.

Why is virginity considered "suffering"? I've been a virgin for the last 15 years of my life, I haven't suffered from the lack of sex.

I was more thinking about the dying part, and the implication of loneliness.

Would you like me to page Dr Freud? Your slip is showing.

"but clearly, man's inherent position is as the penetrator, while women require being the penetratee. that's just natural..."

Why? Because the plumbing is hooked up that way? What are we going to do, forcefeed vegetarians meat, also?

Some girls might not want any penetration - they don't have to have any, simply because they have vaginas, you know.

EDIT: Plus, of course, the prostate can only be directly stimulated by the man being penetrated anally... that would make man's 'inherent position' the penetratee, also...

I was more thinking about the dying part, and the implication of loneliness.

Would you like me to page Dr Freud? Your slip is showing.

Why would virginity imply loneliness?

Ah feminists.. the annoying baby makers.

Why would virginity imply loneliness?

Skipped over the 'dying' part, huh?

Skipped over the 'dying' part, huh?

Oh. I guess that would be pretty lonely, heh...

Why would virginity imply loneliness?

Celibacy implies (no, is) loneliness, after all I'm as fucked up as they come. And I've never had a date.

Celibacy implies (no, is) loneliness, after all I'm as fucked up as they come. And I've never had a date.

Not being able to get any=/=celibate.

Not being able to get any=/=celibate.

I'm kinda both ways....

It's done because people don't understand etymology.

Basically, it all comes from Middle or Old English, I forget which. Anyways, it was as follows.

Mann - human
Wermann - man, literally "male-human"
Wyfmann - woman, literally "wife-human"

:D im going to start calling all women wife-human for now on

It's good that you take pleasure from the suffering of others. :rolleyes:
Yes, It is. I'd be rather unentertained otherwise. Sometimes I get high on reading about the suffering of Sudan.

Of course, I wonder how sheltered one must be to think the options are 'penetration' or 'die a virgin'.

Yeah, right. Let's face it, if they have that much anger and disgusting hatred, they probably aren't getting any.

Yeah, right. Let's face it, if they have that much anger and disgusting hatred, they probably aren't getting any.
From men.

That isn't the end of the world.

From men.

That isn't the end of the world.

Would you want to have sex with someone who screamed "Oh god! It feels like a matriachal amazonian society!" when they orgasmed?

First of all, I am a feminist. I am not a feminazi, I do like men. The feminazis don't like men and would like to completely disassociate all women from men whether we want to be disassociated or not.

Would you want to have sex with someone who screamed "Oh god! It feels like a matriachal amazonian society!" when they orgasmed?

Sure, why not? People say all sorts of weird shit when they cum.

So?

Point being, you seem to think that not 'getting any' from men would automatically make them miserable.

But women fuck women all the time and don't get sad because men aren't there. Seems clear to me.

But women fuck women all the time and don't get sad because men aren't there. Seems clear to me.

Apparently I wasn't clear than. I meant ANY. Period.

Apparently I wasn't clear than. I meant ANY. Period.

Well that's a silly assumption. What are you basing that on? Some other radical lesbian would probably love the chance.

Well that's a silly assumption. What are you basing that on? Some other radical lesbian would probably love the chance.

I dunno. I was just trying to act like they were normal people. They don't get things they want (In this case, sex.) they get frustrated.

However, I think my first mistake was trying to treat such things as people.

Would you want to have sex with someone who screamed "Oh god! It feels like a matriachal amazonian society!" when they orgasmed?

yes. next question.

yes. next question.

How YOU doing? :D

Just because a gurl turns you down, doesn't mean she's gay...

it is neither the word nor their usage which screams 'lookit me everybody, i'm an asshole!' - it's your tone. "stupid bitches" that are "unsurprisingly...all dykes" doesn't make you look anything like pro-woman. it makes you look like a fucktard.

Maybe he's only pro-women-that-will-fuck-him?

so, to repeat myself

i called them dykes because they were gay women, who used that term for themselves. it's not an assumption on my part that they were lesbian, they actually were lesbian
i say 'unsurprisingly' because it would be pretty fucking weird for a woman who genuinely believes that 'all men are rapists' and 'penetration is violence' to have sex with men

and i called them stupid bitches because they complained on one hand about prejudice (against women), and recited prejudiced rhetoric (against men) at the same time
this makes them pretty fucking stupid in my mind

thanks for 'fucktard', maybe try actually reading what i post next time

Well, having not read most of this thread, I'm going to respond to the original point:

They misspell "woman" or "women" because they are brain-dead. 'nuff said

yes. next question.

pshaw. If it was me screaming that you'd soon lose interest.

Yeah, right. Let's face it, if they have that much anger and disgusting hatred, they probably aren't getting any.

Why 'anger', 'disgust' and 'hatred'?

Do you wish to be penetrated by a man?

However, I think my first mistake was trying to treat such things as people.

No, your first mistake was making illogical and - let's face it - juvenille comments that basically boil down to 'if she doesn't love the cock, she deserves to die alone'.

Why 'anger', 'disgust' and 'hatred'?

Do you wish to be penetrated by a man?

:p

so, to repeat myself

i called them dykes because they were gay women, who used that term for themselves. it's not an assumption on my part that they were lesbian, they actually were lesbian.

Did you see them 'being lesbian'? (Whatever you think that would entail...)

I once met a guy who claimed he was Napoleon. Doesn't mean he was, now, does it?

:p

Great - now I have to work out if that was a 'yes, I do, actually' or a 'good point, well made'.... :)

Did you see them 'being lesbian'? (Whatever you think that would entail...)

I once met a guy who claimed he was Napoleon. Doesn't mean he was, now, does it?

Perhaps it was common knowledge that they were lesbians?

I once met a guy who claimed he was Napoleon. Doesn't mean he was, now, does it?

How do you know he wasn't?

CONSPIRACY!

Great - now I have to work out if that was a 'yes, I do, actually' or a 'good point, well made'.... :)

:)

That was a "quite amusing point made there, Grave" :D :fluffle:

First of all, I am a feminist. I am not a feminazi, I do like men. The feminazis don't like men and would like to completely disassociate all women from men whether we want to be disassociated or not.

Women shouldn't be disassociated from men. We're both equal.

And a lot of guys in my school tend to think feminism=hating men, and it's not.

Feminism=equality of the sexes (a penis does not make you superior and neither does a vagina)

Feminazism=man-hating lesbianism (a vagina makes you superior)

Perhaps it was common knowledge that they were lesbians?

It was 'common knowledge' that I was gay. This is despite the fact that I haven't had any 'relationships with men'.

The 'common knowledge' was based on the fact that I'm really good at picking out clothes, I dress expressively, like shopping am well educated.


Similarly - when I first moved to Georgia, I found out that it was 'common knowledge' that I was a vampire (really - that's the rumour), and a devil worshipper.

That 'common knowledge' was based on my English complexion, and the fact that I had long hair and a biker jacket.... ?


'Common knowledge' is often a misnomer.

How do you know he wasn't?

CONSPIRACY!

I can't be sure, of course. Although, I'm under the impression that Napoleon isn't usually dark-skinned, with dreadlocks. Oh - and I think he might usually be considered 'dead', also.

:)

That was a "quite amusing point made there, Grave" :D :fluffle:

Ah. I'll take that. :)

:D

Ah. I'll take that. :)

:D

:fluffle:

Women shouldn't be disassociated from men. We're both equal.

And a lot of guys in my school tend to think feminism=hating men, and it's not.

Feminism=equality of the sexes (a penis does not make you superior and neither does a vagina)

Feminazism=man-hating lesbianism (a vagina makes you superior)

Hmm - where does that put people like me then? We are 'equal', but a vagina does make you superior?

:fluffle:

:fluffle: Yay - I fluffle-spammed. :o

Hmm - where does that put people like me then? We are 'equal', but a vagina does make you superior?

Only in feminazism. I was explaining the thought processes of both groups.

Only in feminazism. I was explaining the thought processes of both groups.

That's the thing, though - apart from the fact that the little things are so cute, a vagina is the rate-determining-step in one of the most significant things we can do as people.

Example - a hundred men and one woman - not an especially good prospect for a future of more than one generation. A hundred women and one man - you could repopulate the planet (although the genepool wouldn't be a pool you'd want to swim in).

The world has a better chance of survival with no men, than with no women.

So - a vagina does make you 'superior'.

But, in human interactions, in all other ways, I think we should be treated equally. But I don't hate men. You need a third group.

Oh, an update on the situation with the facebook group I joined that had misspelled woman: I put in a small complaint and stated that I found it silly, someone else said it had to do with the Adam and Eve bit where Adam went about naming everything as a sign of ownership and I was like "Well, that's not how the words evolved" then some guy threw a huge shitfit about how I was oppressing "womyn" and banned me from the group. Which I think is somewhat funny, since he's a guy complaining about why women should be labeled in a certain way, in a sense forcing his labeling system on us and that he also bitched that I should respect other people's opinions and then he censored and banned me.

So now I'm going to make a group making fun of these people.

Which I think is somewhat funny, since he's a guy complaining about why women should be labeled in a certain way, in a sense forcing his labeling system on us and that he also bitched that I should respect other people's opinions and then he censored and banned me.

But that's the irony of the whole thing; the fact that the kinds of feminists that use "womyn" are the kind that dictate what women can and can't do. Last time I checked, that was the patriarchy. Steriotypes of women, by women, are still steriotypes of women.
The fact that it was a guy just adds to the irony.

I always think Womyn sound like one of those names a shemale thinks up for themselves

But that's the irony of the whole thing; the fact that the kinds of feminists that use "womyn" are the kind that dictate what women can and can't do. Last time I checked, that was the patriarchy. Steriotypes of women, by women, are still steriotypes of women.
The fact that it was a guy just adds to the irony.
Yeah, I was amused when I found out that the boy was gay too. I would really like to imagine what would have happened if I made a group in support of gay marriage but referred to homosexuals as fags (or some more offensive term) and insisted they should be named as such.

No, your first mistake was making illogical and - let's face it - juvenille comments that basically boil down to 'if she doesn't love the cock, she deserves to die alone'.

...I don't think I ever said anything like that...But okay, whatever. You've exposed my deepseated prejudices. I guess I'm a horrid, horrid person. I also have poor memory. You'd think I'd remember saying something like that.

"If she doesn't love the cock, she deserves to die alone"

Oh! Okay! I remembered it that time!

The first time it was used, it made it's point. It should have been left at that. It has become ridiculous.

The first time it was used, it made it's point. It should have been left at that. It has become ridiculous.

Was it's point "We can't spell"?

Was it's point "We can't spell"?

No.

Did you see them 'being lesbian'? (Whatever you think that would entail...)

I once met a guy who claimed he was Napoleon. Doesn't mean he was, now, does it?

*sigh*

because the two main ringleaders were a couple
they also held the office of "womYns rights officers" (change of spelling and emphasis theirs) on the student council and were very open about their sexuality, as anything less was a surrender to patriarchal oppression

now back to the actual topic of the fucking thread?

Amen to that. Back to the topic. (Or should I spell it 'Amyn'?)

But that's the irony of the whole thing; the fact that the kinds of feminists that use "womyn" are the kind that dictate what women can and can't do. Last time I checked, that was the patriarchy. Steriotypes of women, by women, are still steriotypes of women.

ah! at least one person on here is actually arguing the topic

this is basically what i was getting at - these women oppressed other women - anyone who they felt was too 'feminine'
another woman on the student council had worked as a stripper prior to entering university, and despite feeling no shame about this, felt a need to hide the fact not from male colleagues, but from the feminists who claimed to know what was 'best for her'

i'm making supporting arguments based on my personal experiences - can everyone getting tediously bogged down on the fact that i identified them as lesbians move on, maybe actually make a counter-argument?
or are you 'fucktards'?

No.

My bad.

Anyone who bitches about either gender being superior wins a Shovel Award for Excellence.

Seriously though, any time someone rants about the male oppression, I just make some horrifyingly anti-woman comment. Last time I did this, I got a bunch of colored pencils in the face. It was worth it. (That time I patted her hand and said "It's okay to be inferior"