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does declining birth rates = GENOCIDE?

Greater Trostia
26-01-2007, 22:11
I encounter this meme more often than I'd like.

One, here on this forum especially, but not exclusively: the idea that European (white) people have a declining birth rate in Europe, hence are being GENOCIDED by those who are breeding faster (or helping others to breed faster, or something).

Two, by anti-Hispanic alarmists in the US: same idea, but with True American (white) people declining birth rate in comparison to Hispanic immigrants. GENOCIDE!

Three, by some folks who claim the "abortion industry" is responsible for declining birth rates among black people, hence abortion is genocide against black people.

So, do you agree with this? I just want to know who here is sane and who isn't.
Kryozerkia
26-01-2007, 22:13
2 questions - what have these people been smoking and where can I get some? :D
Vetalia
26-01-2007, 22:14
Let's see. Genocide is defined as:

"the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group."

So, unless all of the evil "mud peoples" are sterilizing or killing noble Aryan men and women, it's not genocide. You know what else is ironic (and unfortunate)? The highest abortion rates are found in minority populations.
Ifreann
26-01-2007, 22:16
2 questions - what have these people been smoking and where can I get some? :D

I wouldn't smoke it if I were you, looks like it kills brain cells by the quadrillion.
Khadgar
26-01-2007, 22:17
"And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit."
Neesika
26-01-2007, 22:18
No. When I swallow, I am not committing a crime against humanity.
The Nazz
26-01-2007, 22:18
I encounter this meme more often than I'd like.

One, here on this forum especially, but not exclusively: the idea that European (white) people have a declining birth rate in Europe, hence are being GENOCIDED by those who are breeding faster (or helping others to breed faster, or something).

Two, by anti-Hispanic alarmists in the US: same idea, but with True American (white) people declining birth rate in comparison to Hispanic immigrants. GENOCIDE!

Three, by some folks who claim the "abortion industry" is responsible for declining birth rates among black people, hence abortion is genocide against black people.

So, do you agree with this? I just want to know who here is sane and who isn't.
That's one of the most retarded things I've ever read. And I read a lot.
Neesika
26-01-2007, 22:19
That's one of the most retarded things I've ever read. And I read a lot.

You forgot Ny Nordland so easily? This was his argument in essence. And his poppet, Atlantian Islands, loved to agree.
Greater Trostia
26-01-2007, 22:19
Let's see. Genocide is defined as:

"the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group."

So, unless all of the evil "mud peoples" are sterilizing or killing noble Aryan men and women, it's not genocide. You know what else is ironic (and unfortunate)? The highest abortion rates are found in minority populations.

Ah, but that's just it. They would claim that Liberalism (always a handy enemy) and Atheism have been used by the Mass Media to brainwash White People into having more abortions. Hence, the Evil Mud People (usually the Jews, but sometimes Muslims and again Communist Atheists or even the Catholic Church) is forcing White America to genocide ITSELF. Hence the evil insidiousness of the plan!
Cabra West
26-01-2007, 22:20
No. When I swallow, I am not committing a crime against humanity.

*roflmao

That's good to know, for a moment there I saw myself before the tribunal in The Hague....
Ifreann
26-01-2007, 22:21
No. When I swallow, I am not committing a crime against humanity.

Quite the opposite in fact.
Neesika
26-01-2007, 22:21
Ah, but that's just it. They would claim that Liberalism (always a handy enemy) and Atheism have been used by the Mass Media to brainwash White People into having more abortions. Hence, the Evil Mud People (usually the Jews, but sometimes Muslims and again Communist Atheists or even the Catholic Church) is forcing White America to genocide ITSELF. Hence the evil insidiousness of the plan!

It's not our fault white folks get jungle fever and have mud babies.
Neesika
26-01-2007, 22:22
Oh, I didn't mean to make it sound like I'd never read it before--just that it was one of the most retarded things I'd ever read. ;)

Ok, just worried that the shock of having someone wholeheartedly argue this might be too much for you...don't know why I was worried though!
Greater Trostia
26-01-2007, 22:23
No. When I swallow, I am not committing a crime against humanity.

I'm not going to let you work your feminine wiles and hijack yet another thread with your rampant sexuality!
The Nazz
26-01-2007, 22:23
No. When I swallow, I am not committing a crime against humanity.

How you doin? ;)
Kryozerkia
26-01-2007, 22:24
I wouldn't smoke it if I were you, looks like it kills brain cells by the quadrillion.

In that case, I'll stick with Marijuana. ;)
The Nazz
26-01-2007, 22:26
You forgot Ny Nordland so easily? This was his argument in essence. And his poppet, Atlantian Islands, loved to agree.

Oh, I didn't mean to make it sound like I'd never read it before--just that it was one of the most retarded things I'd ever read. ;)
Vetalia
26-01-2007, 22:27
How utterly stupid, genocide cannot be self-imposed, so are they trying to argue that immigrants are forcing white people to not have kids?

In theory, genocide could be self-imposed if everyone in a particular group decided to kill themselves in order to eliminate their culture from the world.
Pyotr
26-01-2007, 22:30
How utterly stupid, genocide cannot be self-imposed, so are they trying to argue that immigrants are forcing white people to not have kids?
Ifreann
26-01-2007, 22:32
In theory, genocide could be self-imposed if everyone in a particular group decided to kill themselves in order to eliminate their culture from the world.

Auto-genocide FTW!
Neesika
26-01-2007, 22:33
I'm not going to let you work your feminine wiles and hijack yet another thread with your rampant sexuality!

Have more faith in your fellow posters.

The topic does have a heavy sexual component though. From non-procreative sex to sex with non-whites, the people who champion the opinion you've described tend to really go after those of us who do not conform to their ideal sexual practices. (i.e., one baby per poke, and only whites doing it)
Pyotr
26-01-2007, 22:35
In theory, genocide could be self-imposed if everyone in a particular group decided to kill themselves in order to eliminate their culture from the world.

In theory yes, but I highly doubt that would ever happen it goes against almost every aspect of human nature.
Greater Trostia
26-01-2007, 22:35
Have more faith in your fellow posters.

The topic does have a heavy sexual component though. From non-procreative sex to sex with non-whites, the people who champion the opinion you've described tend to really go after those of us who do not conform to their ideal sexual practices. (i.e., one baby per poke, and only whites doing it)

Yeah, so what are you wearing?
Vetalia
26-01-2007, 22:36
Auto-genocide FTW!

That would be like the ultimate self-pwnage. That's the equivalent of destroying your own pylons.
The Pacifist Womble
26-01-2007, 22:37
I encounter this meme more often than I'd like.

One, here on this forum especially, but not exclusively: the idea that European (white) people have a declining birth rate in Europe, hence are being GENOCIDED by those who are breeding faster (or helping others to breed faster, or something).

Two, by anti-Hispanic alarmists in the US: same idea, but with True American (white) people declining birth rate in comparison to Hispanic immigrants. GENOCIDE!

Three, by some folks who claim the "abortion industry" is responsible for declining birth rates among black people, hence abortion is genocide against black people.

So, do you agree with this? I just want to know who here is sane and who isn't.
No, no, and maybe.

There is no basis for whining about declining white populations in Europe. We are a densely populated continent.

White Americans are declining as much as white Europeans.

I think that abortion is murder, but genocide is generally something much more organised and racially biased.

We are not obligated to create life, but we are obligated to preserve it.
Ifreann
26-01-2007, 22:39
That would be like the ultimate self-pwnage. That's the equivalent of destroying your own pylons.

Problem is, where can we get that much Kool-Aid at this hour?
Dempublicents1
26-01-2007, 22:41
It's not our fault white folks get jungle fever and have mud babies.

LOL. You are amazingly good at the un-PC. =)


The topic does have a heavy sexual component though. From non-procreative sex to sex with non-whites, the people who champion the opinion you've described tend to really go after those of us who do not conform to their ideal sexual practices. (i.e., one baby per poke, and only whites doing it)


No twins? Or do you get extra credit if you get two babies at once?
Ifreann
26-01-2007, 22:50
What i've been told to. Or, in this case...told NOT to.;)

Neesika takes orders? :eek:
Did he/she finally get the whip away from you?
Maxus Paynus
26-01-2007, 22:51
No...christ no it is not. Oh, and to note something, the US is the only developed nation at the replenishment level (fertility rate), meaning they could maintain their population through reproduction alone. So I doubt the birth rate is something to worry about there.
Neesika
26-01-2007, 22:53
Yeah, so what are you wearing?

What i've been told to. Or, in this case...told NOT to.;)
Neesika
26-01-2007, 22:54
LOL. You are amazingly good at the un-PC. =)

I try:)

No twins? Or do you get extra credit if you get two babies at once?

Quite possibly....one poke, two babies...gotta be worth SOMETHING.
Ifreann
26-01-2007, 22:54
It always surprises me that people so constatly misjudge my sexual preferences based on my abrasiveness :p

Now that I put some thought into it, it makes sense for a dominant person to have a kink for submissiveness.
Neesika
26-01-2007, 22:57
Neesika takes orders? :eek:
Did he/she finally get the whip away from you?

It always surprises me that people so constatly misjudge my sexual preferences based on my abrasiveness :p
Neesika
26-01-2007, 23:03
Damn, sorry Trostia.

Then again, the crowd that usually advance this argument doesn't seem to be around lately, so I don't think you'll find anyone to disagree with you on this.
Neesika
26-01-2007, 23:03
Now that I put some thought into it, it makes sense for a dominant person to have a kink for submissiveness.

It's not a kink, it just is :p

Carnivorous Lickers figured it out long ago by the way.
The Pacifist Womble
26-01-2007, 23:05
Problem is, where can we get that much Kool-Aid at this hour?
What is Kool-Aid?
Neesika
26-01-2007, 23:07
What is Kool-Aid?

Ask Jim Jones.
Ifreann
26-01-2007, 23:08
What is Kool-Aid?

All you need to know is that it's definately not laced with cyanide. Nope, no cyanide in there. Now drink up.
Zarakon
26-01-2007, 23:09
...I'm missing out on a genocide? I DEMAND EQUAL GENOCIDE RIGHTS!
Zarakon
26-01-2007, 23:09
All you need to know is that it's definately not laced with cyanide. Nope, no cyanide in there. Now drink up.

You're right, it isn't. It's flavor-aid, and it's laced with arsenic and valium.
Neesika
26-01-2007, 23:11
You're right, it isn't. It's flavor-aid, and it's laced with arsenic and valium.

That wasn't confirmed (flavor-aid over kool-aid) was it?
Zarakon
26-01-2007, 23:12
That wasn't confirmed (flavor-aid over kool-aid) was it?

I'm pretty sure it was.
PsychoticDan
26-01-2007, 23:46
I encounter this meme more often than I'd like.

One, here on this forum especially, but not exclusively: the idea that European (white) people have a declining birth rate in Europe, hence are being GENOCIDED by those who are breeding faster (or helping others to breed faster, or something).

Two, by anti-Hispanic alarmists in the US: same idea, but with True American (white) people declining birth rate in comparison to Hispanic immigrants. GENOCIDE!

Three, by some folks who claim the "abortion industry" is responsible for declining birth rates among black people, hence abortion is genocide against black people.

So, do you agree with this? I just want to know who here is sane and who isn't.

I never heard anyone make those claims. :confused:
Snafturi
27-01-2007, 00:05
I'm pretty sure it was.

No, I it's safe. I drank some an hour ago.


::ack:::eek:


::dies::

I never heard anyone make those claims. :confused:

Two people voted yes so far...My ghostly visage comments.
PsychoticDan
27-01-2007, 00:06
Two people voted yes so far...My ghostly visage comments.

Probably just beeing assholes on purpose. I've never heard anyone claim that genocide was being commited by Hispanics in America because they have higher birth rates than whites. That's absurd.
Similization
27-01-2007, 00:20
Probably just beeing assholes on purpose. I've never heard anyone claim that genocide was being commited by Hispanics in America because they have higher birth rates than whites. That's absurd.There was an essey-type rant about it posted at Stormfront a couple of years ago. That's where I first saw it. Since then, I've seen localized versions of the same from a number of countries. I'd imagine typing something like "decline of the aryan horserace" in Google will give you countless examples. Ny Nordland (who I'm guessing is names after the neo-Nazi zine) argued the same, though not from a US angle. Try searching General.

Other than that, I can only agree. One'd have to be pretty fucking unhinged to come up with that sort of shit.
Snafturi
27-01-2007, 00:28
I do recall a thread not too long ago about culture being deteriorated by the influx of immigrants. Kind of the same thing. Without the abortion.