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I am interested in the many teachings of the Catholic Church that are not supported by the Bible, like praying to Mary, purgatory(not so much today as in medieval times), and the papacy. Where do these teachings come from, if not from the Bible which you supposedly base your religion on?

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Cabbage rock?

I'm not a Roman Catholic, so I can't help you sorry.

But, I do know that Roman Catholics believe that Tradition (not tradition) is on an equal footing with Scripture. The Tradition validates Scripture and Scripture validates Tradition.

The Pope is from the Bible. Matthew 16 makes Peter, and therefore his successors, the head of the Church. Including the keys, the binding and loosing, and all that. Since Peter was the first Bishop of Rome, his successors all sit on the chair of St. Peter.

Mary is tradition. She is venerated as being a fully compliant servant of God and mother of God. I think it was based on her role in the life of Jesus and his ministry that put her in such a position.

By purgatory, do you mean hell or the in-between of heaven and hell?

The Pope is from the Bible. Matthew 16 makes Peter, and therefore his successors, the head of the Church. Including the keys, the binding and loosing, and all that. Since Peter was the first Bishop of Rome, his successors all sit on the chair of St. Peter.

Mary is tradition. She is venerated as being a fully compliant servant of God and mother of God.

In Matthew 16, Jesus tells Peter that he is the foundation on which Jesus will build his church. That does not make Peter the first Pope. Peter led the formation of the early churches in Acts. Notice I manetioned churches in the plural that were independent of any hierarchy. Peter certainly didn't see himself as any Pope. As for Mary, she isn't the only one in the Bible who obeyed God. Abraham left his home for an unknown land at God's command. It makes more sense to pray to God, than a human.

I am interested in the many teachings of the Catholic Church that are not supported by the Bible, like praying to Mary, purgatory(not so much today as in medieval times), and the papacy. Where do these teachings come from, if not from the Bible which you supposedly base your religion on?

If you look here you could probably find the biblical justifications given.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc/index.htm

I am interested in the many teachings of the Catholic Church that are not supported by the Bible, like praying to Mary, purgatory(not so much today as in medieval times), and the papacy. Where do these teachings come from, if not from the Bible which you supposedly base your religion on?

the short answer is that the theology of the catholic church is a combination of the bible and big thinking

some things while not mentioned in the bible are necessary in order to make the bible work out right where it seems to contradict each other.

there is nothing in catholic theology that contradicts the bible.

consider praying to mary or any of the saints. when you have trouble you ask your friends to pray for you. who would make a better friend than the mother of god? so you pray to ask her to pray for you. "holy mary mother of god pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death".

mary doesnt do anything herself, she prays for you. she interceeds for humanity. she comes to people in visions to inspire them to come closer to god.

the papacy is the line of roman bishops starting with peter and going to this benedict guy. the orthodox bishops of some many many years ago disagreed that the roman bishop should be the undisputed leader of the church so they broke off into their own more consensus based church.

purgatory is not spelled out in the bible but it is implied by certain passages. id look them up but i cant be bothered. if you are interested put purgatory into google and check the catholic sites.

you might want to remember that the protestant bible drops quite a few books that more fully support catholic belief. but in any case, you obviously dont have to be convinced by catholic doctrine but it is wrong when anyone contends that its not based on the bible.

In Matthew 16, Jesus tells Peter that he is the foundation on which Jesus will build his church. That does not make Peter the first Pope. Peter led the formation of the early churches in Acts. Notice I manetioned churches in the plural that were independent of any hierarchy. Peter certainly didn't see himself as any Pope. As for Mary, she isn't the only one in the Bible who obeyed God. Abraham left his home for an unknown land at God's command. It makes more sense to pray to God, than a human.

did you start the thread to understand catholic theology or to deny it?

he gave you the catholic answer. if you dont accept it, thats probably because you are not a catholic. no problem.

In Matthew 16, Jesus tells Peter that he is the foundation on which Jesus will build his church. That does not make Peter the first Pope. Peter led the formation of the early churches in Acts. Notice I manetioned churches in the plural that were independent of any hierarchy. Peter certainly didn't see himself as any Pope. As for Mary, she isn't the only one in the Bible who obeyed God. Abraham left his home for an unknown land at God's command. It makes more sense to pray to God, than a human.

So Jesus has no power in determining who runs the Church? Or how it is grown? Of course Peter did not see himself as Pope. He barely grasped he was Bishop of Rome before he died. It has been well established that he went to Rome, led the church there, and was martyred. The future Bishops of Rome were the successors of Peter. When the title of Pope evolved, it was realized that the Pope was the successor of St. Peter.

FYI: You dont pray to Mary, you pray for her intercession with God. Obviously someone so important in the existence of Jesus would be close to God.

FYI: You dont pray to Mary, you pray for her intercession with God. Obviously someone so important in the existence of Jesus would be close to God.
And she would know what buttons to push:

Mary: I bore you for nine months, nine months! And then you had such a big head! How come you didn't give them anesthetics until 19 centuries later, eh? Meanwhile who had to suffer, me, your mother, that's who!

God: Oh, geez!

Mary: And get a haircut! You look like a homeless person! What will people think? That I don't care?

Catholocism is the oldest for of Christianity and it has alot of traditions from the medivel time period when Catholics ruled Europe. The papacy was originally designed to rule the world. Popes commanded armies to fight dissedents like muslims. The papacy now is more of a dinosaur than anything else. Its just there for leadership.

There are plenty of little traditions that are still practiced for no reason too. Incense was originally burned at masses to mask the smell of poor people who didn't bathe. Its just a tradition now. It has no real merit.

*I am an atheist but I did go to Catholic school for 13 years*

I geuss what I'm saying is that Catholics hold on to these beliefs because they are traditions. They were fresh ideas 1,000 years ago but who the f*ck cares now?

Seriously

I was raised Catholic but never followed it after I became a teenager. Funny enough, after I moved to the US.

What is the difference between the Lord, Jesus, and God. It seems to me there are notes of all three being the same individual. Correct me.

Catholocism is the oldest for of Christianity and it has alot of traditions from the medivel time period when Catholics ruled Europe. The papacy was originally designed to rule the world. Popes commanded armies to fight dissedents like muslims. The papacy now is more of a dinosaur than anything else. Its just there for leadership.

There are plenty of little traditions that are still practiced for no reason too. Incense was originally burned at masses to mask the smell of poor people who didn't bathe. Its just a tradition now. It has no real merit.

*I am an atheist but I did go to Catholic school for 13 years*

I geuss what I'm saying is that Catholics hold on to these beliefs because they are traditions. They were fresh ideas 1,000 years ago but who the f*ck cares now?


people who like to participate in a tradition that is more than a thousand years old, maybe?