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Well, I didn't know people disliked nullentropy that much...

What's wrong with "nugat"? I admit I can't eat as much as I used to, it makes the old acid-reflux kick up, but, I mean, really!

No, we shouldn't ban them. That's ... what's the word I want ... oh, yeah ... stupid.

Well, I didn't know people disliked nullentropy that much...

*covering my eyes* :eek:

Here's the funny thing: When you ban stuff, more people start using it because it's illegal. The only way you're going to know how vile racism is is if you actually hear it in action.

And for that matter, what about other racial slurs? There are some pretty damn bad ones out there.

Should there be a ban on the "N" word? Should we start placing bans on other vulgar words which are plentiful indeed?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4490664.html

What's your thought?

Poll coming soon...

*wonders how many replies will be posted before my OP* :D

Depends. Would you like the word "fundie" to be banned?

Should there be a ban on the "N" word? Should we start placing bans on other vulgar words which are plentiful indeed?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4490664.html

Not only are they planning on banning it but fining you $500 for the flammatory use of it too.

What's your thought?

Poll coming soon...

*wonders how many replies will be posted before my OP* :D

Nachos?

Nachos?

No; nascent norms negate naming 'napkin,' n00b.

I think Jolts time is messed up or they may have forgotten how to tell time... :D

Not only that, but now I'm the OP...it's getting worse.

It shouldn't be banned.

I know Texans hated everything not American (and Texan), but banning 'nanometer' just because it's metric? Really now.

I think Jolts time is messed up or they may have forgotten how to tell time... :D

I say we mess with Texas.

If they did, they would also have to ban Cracker, Spick, and Beaner, or it's a law that is racist toward everyone except blacks.

What "N" word? You mean nymphomania?

What "N" word? You mean nymphomania?

ZOMG! The humanity!

The N-word shouldn't be banned, doing so would violate the 1st amendment.

No.

I say we mess with Texas.

Chainsaw much? :p

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m92/matthewthirlwell/chainsaw.jpg

I'm from Texas, not far from Brazoria were the plan to try and pass that law. Its just f*cking stupid if you ask me. Its a big waste of money on the part of the tax payers and i already know that its not going to stop anyone from using it. Supposedly its acceptable if you use it as a greeting but that just makes the whole law even more ridiculous and i think they should just leave everything the f*ck alone. We got more important issues around here that require attention besides some stupid ass word that some people think is offensive. If the ban the "N" word then they should bad the "C" word too, cracker.

That's real practical. Why don't they ban all racial slurs, like Jap, Patel, or gook? That's definitely not gonna work.

That's real practical. Why don't they ban all racial slurs, like Jap, Patel, or gook? That's definitely not gonna work.

Perhaps we just ban talking and make everyone shut up! There's some merit in that, you know.

Racism is bad, but, in principle, banning vulgarity is always bad, impractical, unconstitutional, and a violation of a principle human right. And, as many people have pointed out, banning one racial slur alone is arbitrary and racist.

"I don't swear for the hell of it. Language is a poor enough means of communication. We've got to use all the words we've got. Besides, there are damn few words anybody understands." -Henry Drummond, Inherit the Wind

"N-word"?

If you're gonna ban it, you should say it.

That's real practical. Why don't they ban all racial slurs, like Jap, Patel, or gook? That's definitely not gonna work.

Which Jap? Jewish American Princess or Japanese person, like Nip?

Patel is actually some folks' name.

Which Jap? Jewish American Princess or Japanese person, like Nip?

Patel is actually some folks' name.

Japanese person. Actually, because Patel is a very common Indian name, it can be used as a racial slur. But who actually says that?

Wait, wait, I've got one!

Guy to an African-American he doesn't like: "You're a n...!"

Cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

And so on...

:D

Which Jap? Jewish American Princess or Japanese person, like Nip?

Patel is actually some folks' name.

Guy: "My name is David Patel..."

Cop: "Mr. Patel, you're under arrest..."

Other cop: "You're under arrest for saying Patel..."

(And so on) :D

At the trial:

Judge: "Mr. Patel, you're charge with saying..."

Bayliff: "Judge Roberts, you're under arrest for..."

No.

but.....but...if we banned the word "NO" it'd end up like the Planet of The Apes. I dunno about you but I don't fancy being enslaved by a group of monkeys. On the plus side I'd get a few days off work to fight in the resistance!:p

move along nothing to see here : p

what N word?

what N word?

Nintendo! :eek:

what N word?

Necronomicon!

None of the above.

No one should "get over it" - but banning it seems excessive.

Wait, wait, I've got one!

Guy to an African-American he doesn't like: "You're a n...!"

Cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

Other cop to the previous cop: "You're arrested for saying the word n...!"

And so on...

:D

I think you're just being sarcastic but to throw my own 2 cents in...The cops look after themselves like brethren so they definately wouldn't be arresting each other and I think they're only talking about fining people $500.

wonders how quickly a mass amount of people start calling violiation on freeedom of speech

You know what I have to say about that?

N****ry n****rs n****ring down the n****red road!

Cop: That's $2000 fine, sir.

Me: Shut the n****ry f**k up, you n****r!

Cop: That'll be $3000 now...

I say we should ban ten-year-old suburban rich kids from acting like gangsta rappers. It's funny for a while in an I'm-laughing-at-you-not-with-you sort of way, but hearing little Timmy Wonderbread saying "fo' shizzle" for the eighteenth time gets reeeaaally old.

Oh, yeah, and the N word? It's a horrible, hateful word, but it certainly has its uses. Watch "The Boondocks" and you'll see. Awesome show.

I say we should ban ten-year-old suburban rich kids from acting like gangsta rappers. It's funny for a while in an I'm-laughing-at-you-not-with-you sort of way, but hearing little Timmy Wonderbread saying "fo' shizzle" for the eighteenth time gets reeeaaally old.

The best way to stop something offensive is to refuse to be offended by it. In our modern culture, the N word is slowly losing its charge and its hostility, becoming something commonplace and meant with no offense.

Watch the Boondocks.

Ninkenpoop?

I happened to be on my break while watching the Faux News channel. The mayor made an appearance justifying the law.

Some corrections. He claimed fines to be up to $500, not necessarily a straight five hundred on your desk for saying the word. The other claim was the word used in the language is not wholy banned but rather only when used in a deflamatory way.

This will definitely flop. But then again, small town America has always had a way of passing ridiculous laws never making it into federal floors.

Of course, he also cited Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton's actions last year as the basis of his proposition.



For the hell of it, with no intent on spicing anger, I will scream the word while passing the town in a top-down red convertible.

Free Speech people.

What exactly are you correcting? In my OP, I quote, "Not only are they planning on banning it but fining you $500 for the flammatory use of it too."

I also used a link with the correct information... http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4490664.html

from this link is... 'the ordinance wouldn't forbid anyone from saying the word, Corley said, but would outlaw using the word in an offensive or aggressive manner.'

I'm not seeing where I was misleading but oh well...



The "fining you $500" is where the correction comes in. It is actually "up to"
$500. Quite a difference.

The other correction was not directed at the article but rather some of the commenters' assumptions that the word in full will be banned.

I happened to be on my break while watching the Faux News channel. The mayor made an appearance justifying the law.

Some corrections. He claimed fines to be up to $500, not necessarily a straight five hundred on your desk for saying the word. The other claim was the word used in the language is not wholy banned but rather only when used in a deflamatory way.

This will definitely flop. But then again, small town America has always had a way of passing ridiculous laws never making it into federal floors.

Of course, he also cited Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton's actions last year as the basis of his proposition.



For the hell of it, with no intent on spicing anger, I will scream the word while passing the town in a top-down red convertible.

Free Speech people.

What exactly are you correcting? In my OP, I quote, "Not only are they planning on banning it but fining you $500 for the flammatory use of it too."

I also used a link with the correct information... http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4490664.html

from this link is... 'the ordinance wouldn't forbid anyone from saying the word, Corley said, but would outlaw using the word in an offensive or aggressive manner.'

I'm not seeing where I was misleading but oh well...

I really see a bad discrimination problem with this. Blacks to Blacks call it to each other constantly, there are also white that use the same word in non offensive ways but if a black hears it, "Yo, nigga, call 911 This cracka just use tha 'N' word". Interesting...

This differential treatment has nothing to do with racial discrimination. In fact, similar standards apply to pretty much every bigoted slur I can think of - against gays, women, Jews, and so on.

I really see a bad discrimination problem with this. Blacks to Blacks call it to each other constantly, there are also white that use the same word in non offensive ways but if a black hears it, "Yo, nigga, call 911 This cracka just use tha 'N' word". Interesting...

The mayor also says that if it passes and that's a big IF that they'll add other racial slurs to the list.

Now this is truely attacks on Freedoms...

The "fining you $500" is where the correction comes in. It is actually "up to"
$500. Quite a difference.

The other correction was not directed at the article but rather some of the commenters' assumptions that the word in full will be banned.

Hence is where the link comes into play. From the link comes this... 'The person charged would appear before a municipal judge and be liable for a fine of up to $500, he said.'

Hence is where the link comes into play. From the link comes this... 'The person charged would appear before a municipal judge and be liable for a fine of up to $500, he said.'


Lies and slander!

Well, I didn't know people disliked nullentropy that much...

Or "north", for that matter.

Would their schools have maps that show @#$@ Carolina, @#% Dakota, @$%#@$ America, #@$#@ Korea, and so on? :eek:

Lies and slander!

But which N-word would they be talkign about? There's many N words, like "north".

So if I hapened to move to that particualr area and said I was from *North* Carolina, I could be arrested and forced to pay a $500 fine?

Fine, it will only be harmful to the African Americans really to ban it. I don't think I've heard a white person say that once in public in my life. On the other hand, I hear black kids saying "n****" as much as someone says dude.

I think you're just being sarcastic but to throw my own 2 cents in...The cops look after themselves like brethren so they definately wouldn't be arresting each other and I think they're only talking about fining people $500.

You *THOUGHT* I was being sarcastic?

By some of these postings, I can only presume that the title of the OP has been read. I'll summarize it for you:

A Texas Mayor is trying to pass an ordinance that would ban the word "******" used in a flammatory or offensive way. If it passes and you use "******" in a flammatory way you will be charged for disturbing the peace and can be fined up to $500.


I know what you're talking about. I'm joking around.

However, i don't think it's a good idea to censor a word by referring to it by its first letter. There are many N words and F words, and I could say the F word just by telling someone that I play the flute.

GAAAAHH!!!! JESUS CHRIST! TIMEWARP!!!! :eek:

By some of these postings, I can only presume that the title of the OP has been read. I'll summarize it for you:

A Texas Mayor is trying to pass an ordinance that would ban the word "******" used in a flammatory or offensive way. If it passes and you use "******" in a flammatory way you will be charged for disturbing the peace and can be fined up to $500.

will rap be banned?

I know what you're talking about. I'm joking around.

However, i don't think it's a good idea to censor a word by referring to it by its first letter. There are many N words and F words, and I could say the F word just by telling someone that I play the flute.

-snip-

I understand and agree. The only reason I did it was because of the article I linked to. I also wanted to specify that they aren't trying to outright ban the word like some of the other posts insinuated. Just making sure we're on the same page so I used the specifics.

will rap be banned?

That's a good question. The mayor didn't say anything about rap but a lot of rap can be very offensive with using that word. I'm against banning the word but I'd be for banning the extremes of rap. :D

Here's an example of how a reasonable limitation on freedom of expression works, Bing Kodacious:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2007/01/23/qc-presseault.html

Racist webmaster gets 6 months for hate propaganda

A notorious Montreal-based white supremacist whose body is covered in racist tattoos was sentenced Tuesday to six months in jail for willfully promoting hatred on a website he created.

Jean-Sébastien Presseault built and managed a website that featured racist and anti-Semitic music, documents, literature and cartoons available for download, including songs with titles such as "Skin is Black, You Make Me Sick."

Before he was arrested in 2003, Presseault's U.S.-based website received hundreds of thousands of hits, and material was downloaded from it more than 300,000 times, according to Montreal police.

Presseault has been in custody since June 2006, when he pleaded guilty to willfully promoting hatred, after he was picked up by police for uttering threats against the judge hearing his case.

On Tuesday, Quebec judge Martin Vauclair concluded Presseault, now 30, is a racist and violent man, and rejected the defence's request for a more lenient sentence to be served in the community.

Crown prosecutors sought a one-year sentence with three years' probation, but are satisfied with the six-month prison term.

"This is a sentence that sends a message, that, as judge Vauclair says in his judgment, will denounce and dissuade people to commit these crimes," said Thierry Nadon, a Montreal lawyer who prosecuted the case.

But anti-racist advocates were disappointed.

"If you know six months will maybe get you out in 30 days, it's maybe not a very high price to pay, so maybe you take that chance," said Moise Moghrabi, a spokesman with B'nai B'rith.

Presseault's lawyer had wanted him to serve his time outside of prison, arguing his client is a family man, with a wife and young daughter.

Presseault is the second person in Canada to be convicted and sentenced under article 319 of the Criminal Code, which deals with online hate propaganda.

See? No problem.

When I am no longer referred to as "cracker, cracker, fuck you cracker, fucking honky, fuck you cracker" or "90210, 90210, The OC! The OC!" when I am walking along minding my own business, then I'll give a damn about other people using "******".

So will these townfolk still have the right to shout 'fire' in a burning ******?

No, as if they doo I may soon no longer be able to flick off people randomly.

Let's ban Texas.

will rap be banned?That will be the only good thing to come of this.

So I'm guessing they're gunna send out the word police now...

Were such as asinine law ever to be passed (temporarily, since it would be invalidated on the first court challenge), I would plan on doing a comedy act in Texas, with the following topics:

1) cheapskates, i.e. niggards
2) women's old-fashioned undergarments, i.e. nickers
3) New York basketball players, i.e. Nicker-bockers
4) heavy petters at drive-in theaters, i.e. neckers
5) California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger

Come and get me, Thought Police. I dare you :p

Well, I didn't know people disliked nullentropy that much...

A Dune reference?

No.

You're not allowed to say the n- word!! :p

Were such as asinine law ever to be passed (temporarily, since it would be invalidated on the first court challenge), I would plan on doing a comedy act in Texas, with the following topics:

1) cheapskates, i.e. niggards



You joke, and yet a few years back in Washington DC a guy working in the mayor's office prepared a report that used the word "niggardly" to describe the way in which funds were being allocated for some item or another.

Someone else read the report and immediately complained to her supervisor about the "racist language." What do you think happened?

1)The woman who complained was educated about the meaning of the word "niggardly" and all was well
2)The guy who wrote the report was advised to choose another term in the future.
3)The guy who wrote the report was fired for refusing to apologize.

If you chose 3) you're right. He was told to apologize for using racist language. He refused to apologize on the grounds that he dind't use a racist term, and all the complainer had to do was look it up in the dictionary and would have known. Therefore, he owed no apology. (I agree)

Notice the careful phrasing "flammatory use" of the word. That's just a polite way of saying if a black man says it, it's okay. If a white man says it, it's illegal.

Here's an example of how a reasonable limitation on freedom of expression works, Bing Kodacious:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2007/01/23/qc-presseault.html


See? No problem.

If that guy were out there expressly directing people to violence and criminal activity, then I'd say he is guilty of a crime. But promoting hate? It's repugnant, but not criminal.

You joke, and yet a few years back in Washington DC a guy working in the mayor's office prepared a report that used the word "niggardly" to describe the way in which funds were being allocated for some item or another.

Someone else read the report and immediately complained to her supervisor about the "racist language." What do you think happened?

1)The woman who complained was educated about the meaning of the word "niggardly" and all was well
2)The guy who wrote the report was advised to choose another term in the future.
3)The guy who wrote the report was fired for refusing to apologize.

If you chose 3) you're right. He was told to apologize for using racist language. He refused to apologize on the grounds that he dind't use a racist term, and all the complainer had to do was look it up in the dictionary and would have known. Therefore, he owed no apology. (I agree)

Bloody hell! :eek:

Hath stupidity no bounds?

You joke, and yet a few years back in Washington DC a guy working in the mayor's office prepared a report that used the word "niggardly" to describe the way in which funds were being allocated for some item or another.

Someone else read the report and immediately complained to her supervisor about the "racist language." What do you think happened?

1)The woman who complained was educated about the meaning of the word "niggardly" and all was well
2)The guy who wrote the report was advised to choose another term in the future.
3)The guy who wrote the report was fired for refusing to apologize.

If you chose 3) you're right. He was told to apologize for using racist language. He refused to apologize on the grounds that he dind't use a racist term, and all the complainer had to do was look it up in the dictionary and would have known. Therefore, he owed no apology. (I agree)

I was living in the DC area at the time and well remember that incident. It was one of the most idiotic, unjustifiable instances of PC stupidity in the history of man. And that cvnt who complained about it should have been fired for abject illiteracy and anti-white racism.

I'm sorry, but it hasn't even been said once on this thread, that I can tell.


******.

There. I said it. Alright? What's so damn wrong with this? It's not like I'm saying "Shut up you stupid ******!"

I'm just saying, that's the word they're gonna ban.

Good for those n***ers.

wonders how quickly a mass amount of people start calling violiation on freeedom of speech

Because it is. It violates the 1st Amendment via the 14th.

And that cvnt who complained about it should have been fired for abject illiteracy and anti-white racism.

Hey guys, I'm called unintentional irony, and I make you look bad.

You're not allowed to say the n- word!! :p

Hey! That's why he's banning it! So people can't so no to him. "Are you gonna vote for me" "No." *500 dollar fine*

"Will you sleep with me?" "No" *500 dollar fine*

Will you sleep with me?" "..." "ALL RIGHT!!!"

Because it is. It violates the 1st Amendment via the 14th.

QFT. We must protect speech, no matter how unpopular it is.

Obscenities are not protected, but I don't think you can classify it as such. It is too commonly used in a non- obscene way (ie. black people refering to one another). You can't just make it illegal for non- black people to say either, that would be discrimination.

Obscenities are not protected,
Wrong. They are.

Wrong. They are.

Damn fuckin' right they are, yah bastard, and don't forget it, y'all cunts!

:D

I say we mess with Texas.

I say we give it back to Mexico. I know it will cost us a lot, but I think if we offer enough money they'll take it off our hands for us.

I say we give it back to Mexico. I know it will cost us a lot, but I think if we offer enough money they'll take it off our hands for us.

Hey! Let's give Texas to the Pirate Bay! Everybody except for the Texans and the RIAA win, at least one of those groups are subhuman lifeforms!

I say we mess with Texas.

Don't. Littering is bad, mkay?

Don't. Littering is bad, mkay?

*messes with you*

Should there be a ban on the "N" word? Should we start placing bans on other vulgar words which are plentiful indeed?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4490664.html

Not only are they planning on banning it but fining you $500 for the flammatory use of it too.

What's your thought?

Poll coming soon...

*wonders how many replies will be posted before my OP* :D

First Amendment lawsuit soon to follow.

*messes with you*

*also messes*

LOL, TEXAS :p

Wrong. They are.

Not all speech is protected. Slander, defamation, fighting words, libel, obscenity, breach of peace is not protected. Neither is incitement.

1957- Roth v. US- the supreme court ruled that obscenity is not protected by the first ammendment.

Justice Stewart made the famous quote when asked to define obscenity: "I know it when I see it."

Miller v. California set the "modern" test of obscenity. That case was referring to printed obscenity I believe.

Jenkins v Georgia lets the community set the standards for obscenity.

I'm sure you will cite Cohen V California but that was regarding the word "fuck" in and of itself:
"Absent a more particularized and compelling reason for its actions, the State may not, consistently with the First and Fourteenth Amendments, make the simple public display of this single four-letter expletive a criminal offense."

I'd also like to cite the case of 1942- Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire. Which boths sides are going to use when it goes to court. While seeming to protect one's right to hurl insults the following was also included; "The Court notices judicially that the appellations "damned racketeer" and "damned Fascist" are epithets likely to provoke the average person to retaliation, and thereby cause a breach of the peace." Which makes it unprotected speech.

I tried to warn people that political correctness can and will go too far if left unchecked. I warned them and they said that The Factor was nothing but fascist propoganda. I asked them to define fascist and they told me that I was going to get sued. Luckily, even the American justice system has a limit on how stupid a lawsuit can be.

My point is, when you ban ni***r, do you go further? Why not also ban honkey and wetback? After all, blacks use the n-word all the time in friendly, non-offensive ways. When has honkey ever been used outside of racism, insult, and/or comedy? What about wetback? I can see Jap being used in non-offensive ways. Indian has been used to describe Native Americans for far too long. If they're Indains, then what are the people from India called? The same thing?

Sometimes I wonder whether extreme conservativism or extreme liberalism hurts human rights more. Put those torches and pitchforks down. I said extreme. Damn hippies.

Justice Stewart made the famous quote when asked to define obscenity: "I know it when I see it."



However, this definition is, to put it frankly, garbage. If the only way someone could define rape was "I know it when I see it", do you think we'd ever get a rape conviction? I hope not.

will rap be banned?

Good God I hope so.

However, this definition is, to put it frankly, garbage. If the only way someone could define rape was "I know it when I see it", do you think we'd ever get a rape conviction? I hope not.

That's just one of the most famous quotes from the Supreme Court on the issue. They have the Miller criteria now which is much more specific. I included it for it's hisorical value, my whole point is that not all speech (specifically obscenity) is protected.

Anyway, after re-reading my supreme court book I think the n-word fall more under breach of peace via Chaplinsky.