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I've heard that among democrats Hillary is the most popular choice to run for president. What the fuck are they smoking? Non-democrats absolutely hate Hillary. Not just Republicans, but independents too. The democrat party can't win the presidency without getting a good percentage of those independent voters. They make the difference in the swing states, don't they? It's like democrats just never get tired of losing.

Hillary Clinton is the most polarizing figure tested. Her sky-high ratings among Democrats (82 percent) suggest that she is irresistible in the primaries and a likely bet to win the nomination. But her lower rating among independents shows that they don’t share the enthusiasm. http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/DickMorris/021406.html

I'm hoping that everyone in the country gets fed the hell up with the system and writes in Jeremy Roenick.

I was kind of hoping at least someone will write in LG for president...

He even had a brief campaign.

I actually do think the Dems will take '08. But not Obama or Hillary.

I don't get it, either... I'm a Democrat, and I can't stand Hillary. Cold, calculating, opportunistic, ruthless, polarizing, hawkish on the war, etc., etc. What kind of person would want her over someone like Edwards or Obama? It's political suicide.

Next presidential election is going to be an interesting one and no mistake...

Is that "sky high rating" amongst Democrats for New York Democrats or nationwide Democrats?

I don't think Hillary is the Democrats best choice. I think they could do better and really should put more thought into it.

its still 2 years out. why are you dissing the democrats before a single primary is held?

Its a long way from the primaries, I don't imagine she will actually win them and certainly hope she wont.

Next presidential election is going to be an interesting one and no mistake...

I'm hoping that everyone in the country gets fed the hell up with the system and writes in Jeremy Roenick.

Next presidential election is going to be an interesting one and no mistake...

Heck, Hilary vs. Obama is interesting, putting one of them up against whoever the Reps nominate will be teh shiz.

Its a long way from the primaries, I don't imagine she will actually win them and certainly hope she wont.


She's well behind in the polling in some places....

Her Iraq stance hurts her with the Dems, thank goodness. Please, both parties, let us be done with the Bush-Clinton swaping!

When was the last time an early front runner was actually nominated? That's an honest question, but I don't want the answer to be FFYA, I'd like some reference links.

I've heard that among democrats Hillary is the most popular choice to run for president. What the fuck are they smoking? Non-democrats absolutely hate Hillary. Not just Republicans, but independents too. The democrat party can't win the presidency without getting a good percentage of those independent voters. They make the difference in the swing states, don't they? It's like democrats just never get tired of losing.

Wait - here is a good idea. Some of the political stances the democrats have also are disliked by the non democrats. Lets get rid of those as well ! Hell, lets just completely lose any identity whatsoever and just say what people want to hear !

Finally the democrats are showing some backbone. I hope they keep it up.

Wait - here is a good idea. Some of the political stances the democrats have also are disliked by the non democrats. Lets get rid of those as well ! Hell, lets just completely lose any identity whatsoever and just say what people want to hear !

Finally the democrats are showing some backbone. I hope they keep it up.Showing some backbone by voting for Hillary? That noncommittal **** can't even choose between the Yankees and the Mets for fear of alienating a possible senate voter.

Yay for populist two-party regimes! :D

Some of the political stances the democrats have also are disliked by the non democrats. Lets get rid of those as well ! Hell, lets just completely lose any identity whatsoever and just say what people want to hear !What else can they do?

Lose with dignity and pride ?And by extension, lose the justification for their existence.

Of course, I think that'd be a great thing. If either party packed up their shit, there just might be an opening for more than one or two parties, which just might spell the end of America as a symbol of everything that's wrong in the world.

It's just my impression that most Americans vehemently disagree with me.

What else can they do?

Lose with dignity and pride ?

I've heard that among democrats Hillary is the most popular choice to run for president. What the fuck are they smoking? Non-democrats absolutely hate Hillary. Not just Republicans, but independents too. The democrat party can't win the presidency without getting a good percentage of those independent voters. They make the difference in the swing states, don't they? It's like democrats just never get tired of losing.

http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/DickMorris/021406.html

Given the situation waiting for any President who gets elected, I cannot really blame anyone, including Democrats, for not wanting the job.

I've heard that among democrats Hillary is the most popular choice to run for president. What the fuck are they smoking? Non-democrats absolutely hate Hillary. Not just Republicans, but independents too. The democrat party can't win the presidency without getting a good percentage of those independent voters. They make the difference in the swing states, don't they? It's like democrats just never get tired of losing.

http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/DickMorris/021406.html

What she has right now is name recognition. It's way early--the first primary isn't for over a year yet. She's where Joe Lieberman was in January 2003, and we all know how that turned out for him. She's got enough money to make it a race, but she's certainly not a sure thing.

I hope that Hillary is being used as a sort of distraction for the Republicans to use as target practice (while they think they are making actual hits at the front-runner), just so the real candidate can come out later when they least expect it and impress people with their Non-Hillaryness.

I hope that Hillary is being used as a sort of distraction for the Republicans to use as target practice (while they think they are making actual hits at the front-runner), just so the real candidate can come out later when they least expect it and impress people with their Non-Hillaryness.

That would so be cool. That could be the real reason behind Hilary and Obama. A smokescreen.

I hope that Hillary is being used as a sort of distraction for the Republicans to use as target practice (while they think they are making actual hits at the front-runner), just so the real candidate can come out later when they least expect it and impress people with their Non-Hillaryness.

That's the kind of underwhelming endorsement I want to see more of. Not because I care if Republicans win, but because I would hate to see Hillary win.

...well these are the people that nominated the one person who was guaranteed not to beat Bush in '04.

Most common conversation post election "I didn't want to vote for Kerry, but I did because at least he isn't Bush."

Why do Democrats like this woman who has been so pro-war?

Why do Democrats like this woman who has been so pro-war?

Being pro-war isn't that big of a deal if you've got name recognition and some level of celebrity status.

Why do Democrats like this woman who has been so pro-war?

Which Democrats are you talking to? The activists who are concerned about this now or the Democrats on the street who pick Hillary because she's the only one whose name they recognize?

They're playing on the fact that she's a woman. IF she gets nominated, it will depend on who the Reps put up to decide if she loses or not. Frankly, I think she'll lose.

Who is this mysterious "they" of whom you speak? On second thought, mysterious is probably the wrong word to use--mythical is closer. Democrats are not this hive mind in lockstep--if anything, we're the polar opposite of that. The fact that we've held it together this long--by which I mean since the November elections--is practically a miracle.

They'll vote what the party tells them to vote. If they don't vote the way the party wants them to vote, they won't be in the party.

What universe do you live in that you come up with this crap? Has Limbaugh finally imploded into a black hole and opened a wormhole into an alternate reality?

I've heard that among democrats Hillary is the most popular choice to run for president. What the fuck are they smoking? Non-democrats absolutely hate Hillary. Not just Republicans, but independents too. The democrat party can't win the presidency without getting a good percentage of those independent voters. They make the difference in the swing states, don't they? It's like democrats just never get tired of losing.

http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/DickMorris/021406.html

They're playing on the fact that she's a woman. IF she gets nominated, it will depend on who the Reps put up to decide if she loses or not. Frankly, I think she'll lose.

Is that "sky high rating" amongst Democrats for New York Democrats or nationwide Democrats?

I don't think Hillary is the Democrats best choice. I think they could do better and really should put more thought into it.

They'll vote what the party tells them to vote. If they don't vote the way the party wants them to vote, they won't be in the party.

Showing some backbone by voting for Hillary? That noncommittal **** can't even choose between the Yankees and the Mets for fear of alienating a possible senate voter.

And thus alienate most of them for they do not know what side she is on :D

I doubt Hillary will win the nomination. Even a lot of democrats dislike her. I'm not voting for her in the primary, I doubt she could beat whoever the Republicans nominate. And most other dems I've talked to feel the same.

http://www.politics1.com/p2008.htm

A list of candidates running!

In terms of primaries,

we are under 2 years till Iowa (Jan. 14,2008)

Really, all that needs to happen is for the Dems to keep their majority and congress in 08 and they can elect a whatever Person they want to, right? Our votes don't count after all.

Hillary has the cards on her side. As the race evolves, she will start to slip. I question the 82 percent figure, too.

In terms of primaries,

we are under 2 years till Iowa (Jan. 14,2008)

Yeah--we're under a year too. ;)

Yeah--we're under a year too. ;)

lol. True dat as well.

In terms of primaries,

we are under 2 years till Iowa (Jan. 14,2008)
Yeah--we're under a year too.

Hehehe. Yep, one year is under two. :D

And Iowa is where I was thinking of in particular last night/this morning.

Iowa snubs Hillary
Brittney Berget - The Daily Iowan
Issue date: 1/22/07
With national polls indicating Sens. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., are the leading contenders for Democratic presidential nomination, the 2008 elections could be on the track to see either the first black or female candidate.

But early state polls show that Iowans aren't as willing to embrace Rodham Clinton. The Research 2000 Iowa Poll shows that Obama and former Sen. John Edwards are tied at the top with 22 percent of the votes, and Rodham Clinton - who announced her official candidacy on Jan. 20 - in fourth with 10 percent. Former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack came in third in the poll.

Some experts believe Rodham Clinton's relative lack of popularity may have to do with her being a woman.

"Iowans have been hesitant in the past in terms of supporting a woman candidate," said Arthur Miller, a UI professor of political science. Rodham Clinton "is quite controversial, and women just haven't done as well as men do in past elections here in Iowa."

Experts say Edwards' high Iowa numbers - which are inconsistent with his share in the national polls - stems from his success in the state in the 2004 election season, during which he placed a surprising second during Iowa's first-in-the-nation caucuses.

"Edwards has already established a strong support base," said David Redlawsk, a UI associate professor of political science. Rodham Clinton "and Obama have yet to do that."

But because the 2008 Iowa caucuses are a year away, Redlawsk warned that a lot can change, because voters are not yet sure where candidates stand on key issues.

Monique DiCarlo, the director of the Women's Resource and Action Center, agreed, saying she also feels it may be too early to determine just how Iowans are thinking.

"People are still wanting to know more and understanding what specific issues are going to be important to Iowa," she said. "I haven't seen party platforms clarified, and how we're unique as a state is the average citizens participate in their local caucuses."
http://media.www.dailyiowan.com/media/storage/paper599/news/2007/01/22/Metro/Iowa-Snubs.Hillary-2656538.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailyiowan.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

And it looks like I'll be voting in one of the Iowa primaries. :cool: