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China won't relax 1-child policy ~ Yahoo! News

The Plutonian Empire
23-01-2007, 15:20
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070123/ap_on_re_as/china_population_controls

BEIJING - China has decided not to relax its one-child policy, although a top family planning official acknowledged Tuesday the policy has accelerated the nation's growing gender gap.

At least 118 boys were born for every 100 girls in 2005, said Zhang Weiqing, minister of the National Population and Family Planning Commission. He called the imbalance, which could deprive many Chinese men of a spouse in the coming decades, a "very serious challenge for China."

China reported the ratio as 108:100 in 1982 and 111:100 in 1990.

The easy availability of ultrasound to determine fetal gender has also added to the imbalance, as many women choose to abort baby girls in keeping with China's traditional preference for boys.

"This problem is a reality of country life in China," Zhang said. "We have a 2,000-year feudal history that considered men superior to women, that gave boys the right to carry on the family name and allowed men to be emperors while women could not."

Yet after a review last month, he said, the government decided to maintain the policy, which dates from the late 1970s, and limits urban couples to one child and rural families to two children.

Dropping the restrictions now would risk a population surge as a baby boomer generation born in the early 1980s becomes ready to start families, he said.

Another factor in the government's decision is that many migrant workers living in cities have been evading restrictions by having two or more children, he said.

Beijing says the one-child policy has helped prevent 400 million births, allowing China to conserve natural resources and contributing to the rapid economic development.

Zhang said the government has committed to solving the imbalance within 10 to 15 years with education campaigns, punishments for sex-selective abortions, and rewards — like retirement pensions — for parents who have girls.

In some regions, the figure has hit 130 boys for every 100 girls, while the average for industrialized countries is between 104 and 107 boys for every 100 girls.

China is the world's most populous nation, with about 1.3 billion people — 20 percent of the global total. The government has pledged to keep the population under 1.36 billion by 2010 and under 1.45 billion by 2020, Zhang said.

While popularly referred as China's "one child policy," the rule limits only 36 percent of the population to having one child, said Wang Guoqing, the commission's vice director.

Fifty-three percent of people are allowed to have a second child if their first baby is a girl. Poor farmers with a two-child limit account for nearly 10 percent, while ethnic minorities allowed to have two or more children make up 1.6 percent of the total.

The complex policy reflects the greatly varied economic and social realities in different Chinese regions, Zhang said.

He said the government has begun studying the impact on China of a generation of "only children."

Since the policy began in the late 1970s, nearly 100 million children have been born who will never have siblings.

"China's only boys and girls are certainly not as scary as some people say, like those who call them 'little emperors' or 'little titans' who can't tolerate authority," said Zhang.

"As I understand, the majority of them have had a healthy childhood," he said. "You can see for yourself. Young people today are very energetic and creative."

He said they were likely to be better educated and more talented than children from bigger families, because parents expend more resources on them.

"They are much better off than I was, being one of four kids," said Zhang, 62. "I envy them."

Thoughts? Comments?
Dunkelien
23-01-2007, 15:29
Having too few women for all the men is only going to farther slow population growth, which may be seen as a benefit to them.

I never considered the personality effects of being an only child, I don't really like most of the only-children I know. Wow, a whole country of them.....
Ifreann
23-01-2007, 15:35
Wow, a country free of sibling rivalry.
LiberationFrequency
23-01-2007, 15:38
Who could be happy living in a country that had hardly any women?
Ice Hockey Players
23-01-2007, 15:47
Who could be happy living in a country that had hardly any women?

Well, they have an oppressive government that can just tell them they are happy...besides, I thought the Chinese tended to be serious all the time anyway. Giving the impression of being happy was looked down upon.
Nationalian
23-01-2007, 15:55
A gender gap is still preferable to a huge population growth so I agree with them that they should keep the one child policy.
Anneia
23-01-2007, 15:57
Other countries should do the same. There is already now too much people in this world.
Aryavartha
23-01-2007, 15:57
What do autocracies do when they have millions of restless young men looking for venues to vent their frustrations?
Ice Hockey Players
23-01-2007, 16:12
What do autocracies do when they have millions of restless young men looking for venues to vent their frustrations?

Same thing they always do - declare war on some wimpy nation and turn a blind eye when the male soldiers start having their way with native women. With a population that high, all they have to do is amp up their technology and wave their nukes at people, and voila - instant World War III. A bunch of men satisfy their sexual urges, and a bunch more get killed, so the population remains in check.
Kryozerkia
23-01-2007, 16:18
They commies are doing what they need to to prevent putting a strain on their resources. If it means enforcing a one-child policy, then why not. They have a huge population and if they didn't keep it under control, while the gender ratio would balance out, the population would explode, causing the nation to implode on itself because it would be unsustainable.
Lunatic Goofballs
23-01-2007, 16:30
What do autocracies do when they have millions of restless young men looking for venues to vent their frustrations?

Gay pool parties? :D
LiberationFrequency
23-01-2007, 16:47
What do autocracies do when they have millions of restless young men looking for venues to vent their frustrations?

Fight Club?
Czardas
23-01-2007, 16:54
What do autocracies do when they have millions of restless young men looking for venues to vent their frustrations?
Three words... or maybe four:

First-person shooter MMORPGs.
Damor
23-01-2007, 16:57
They could try to close the gap by giving a few benefits to couples that have a girl. Just enough of a benefit to balance against the traditional preference for boys.
Aryavartha
23-01-2007, 17:12
They could try to close the gap by giving a few benefits to couples that have a girl. Just enough of a benefit to balance against the traditional preference for boys.

Ah but social liberalism (equality of sexes) cannot come in a vacuum...it is often tied to political liberties...which the Chicom is very loathe to concede to the masses.
Dakini
23-01-2007, 17:25
I think that the one child policy isn't such a bad idea. The world is overpopulated and it's going to have to be done. Plus this makes them confront their sexist attitudes through the negative consequences and should emphasize that women are as important as men in a society for the next generation.

And who knows, maybe they'll start being the first country to allow women to marry multiple men but not vice versa.
Kryozerkia
23-01-2007, 18:23
Dakini, you make a good point about the Chinese having to face up to the discrimination that happens in their country. In fact, in the cities at least, in the abortion clinics, there are all kinds of propaganda signs up encouraging women to keep baby girls because the girls are a unique treasure like the boys, and in the country side, they are allowing up to two children per family if the first is a girl so that the population isn't so skewed.
Drunk commies deleted
23-01-2007, 18:52
Maybe they can buy mail-order brides from North Korea. That way the Chinese get women and the North Koreans get money and women get treated like merchandise. It's good for everyone involved.
Greyenivol Colony
23-01-2007, 19:24
Same thing they always do - declare war on some wimpy nation and turn a blind eye when the male soldiers start having their way with native women. With a population that high, all they have to do is amp up their technology and wave their nukes at people, and voila - instant World War III. A bunch of men satisfy their sexual urges, and a bunch more get killed, so the population remains in check.

I hear Kazakhstan is nice this time of year.
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Seriously, the gender gap in China isn't as bad as people say it is. At the end of the day, there are only 10% more men in China than women, and most of that 10% is going to be the bunch that aren't to interested in marriage anyway. If anything, this means that there is going to be more pressure of Chinese women to marry.

Besides, you can always import a bride. The Chinese mail-order-bride industry is booming.
Socialist Pyrates
23-01-2007, 19:24
What do autocracies do when they have millions of restless young men looking for venues to vent their frustrations?

long term I would think sexual attitudes will change, multiply partners and divorce will become more common...
Chietuste
23-01-2007, 19:40
Aren't a lot of you the same persons who are so in favor of "reproductive rights?"

If the woman can decide to have an abortion (her "reproductive right"), why can't she decide to have more than one child (another "reproductive right")?

(If you oppose the option of abortions being legal, ignore this post. I just want to see how this contradiction/paradox is rectified.)
Keljustan
23-01-2007, 21:41
The fact is that Earth can't support an unlimited amount of people. At some point we need to slow down reproduction rates and this time is as good as any.
CthulhuFhtagn
23-01-2007, 21:50
What do autocracies do when they have millions of restless young men looking for venues to vent their frustrations?

Solve world hunger.
Jitia
23-01-2007, 22:04
Ah but social liberalism (equality of sexes) cannot come in a vacuum...it is often tied to political liberties...which the Chicom is very loathe to concede to the masses.

Who invented this God-awful term and why have I been seeing it so much lately? Is Chicom a pretty old term that I've never really noticed before or is it something new? Is it like those silly right-wing blog terms that become "hip" for about a month and then die down? Like Moonbat, koolaid-drinker, etc? I heard Mark Steyn use it in one of his paranoid speeches(rants) a few weeks ago and now I see it everywhere.

God I hate the "blogosphere."

Staying on topic: I think the one-child policy is a good idea. China already has a hard time feeding their current population, so anything that can get it to stabilize is a good thing. And I don't really think the one-child policy is 100% responsible for the skewed sex-ratios. The sex-ratio at birth is pretty the same in South Korea, and Vietnam is moving closer and closer to the Chinese/South Korean levels. So it's probably 30% public policy and 70% cultural attitudes.
Drunk commies deleted
23-01-2007, 22:11
Who invented this God-awful term and why have I been seeing it so much lately? Is Chicom a pretty old term that I've never really noticed before or is it something new? Is it like those silly right-wing blog terms that become "hip" for about a month and then die down? Like Moonbat, koolaid-drinker, etc? I heard Mark Steyn use it in one of his paranoid speeches(rants) a few weeks ago and now I see it everywhere.

God I hate the "blogosphere."

Staying on topic: I think the one-child policy is a good idea. China already has a hard time feeding their current population, so anything that can get it to stabilize is a good thing. And I don't really think the one-child policy is 100% responsible for the skewed sex-ratios. The sex-ratio at birth is pretty the same in South Korea, and Vietnam is moving closer and closer to the Chinese/South Korean levels. So it's probably 30% public policy and 70% cultural attitudes.
Yeah. ChiCom is an old term. I think I remember reading or hearing it when I was a kid in the '80s.
Teh_pantless_hero
23-01-2007, 22:17
Dakini, you make a good point about the Chinese having to face up to the discrimination that happens in their country. In fact, in the cities at least, in the abortion clinics, there are all kinds of propaganda signs up encouraging women to keep baby girls because the girls are a unique treasure like the boys, and in the country side, they are allowing up to two children per family if the first is a girl so that the population isn't so skewed.
Happy go lucky propaganda and pictures do not magically make a society non-paternal. Male children are more beneficial for a family, especially in more rural China. Places like Hong Kong or Beijing probably don't have this problem, or have it on a a negligible level when compared to more rural China.
Yootopia
23-01-2007, 22:21
Wow, a country free of sibling rivalry.
Not really. It's not enforced outside of the towns and cities, hence why their population hasn't fallen as drastically as it could have - what with farmers needing as many workers as possible etc., there are quite high birth rates in rural areas.