NationStates Jolt Archive


Knights in shining armor

South Lizasauria
22-01-2007, 06:17
As a guy I feel the natural need to defend the opposite sex from crocodiles, cults, bad influences, bad people and the list goes on. Unfortunately I'm too nerdy and physically weak to do so, however I have an idea. There should be an organization called the "knights in armor" who advertise on the tv and radio, and state that they are an organization out to give advice and protection to women having problems. I hope that an organization like this is made because there are far too many innocent girls out their victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty guys, some good respectable men have to team up to prevent any more feminine suffering. (hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)
Pepe Dominguez
22-01-2007, 06:23
As a guy I feel the natural need to defend the opposite sex from crocodiles, cults, bad influences, bad people and the list goes on. Unfortunately I'm too nerdy and physically weak to do so, however I have an idea. There should be an organization called the "knights in armor" who advertise on the tv and radio, and state that they are an organization out to give advice and protection to women having problems. I hope that an organization like this is made because there are far too many innocent girls out their victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty guys, some good respectable men have to team up to prevent any more feminine suffering. (hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)

Eh.. good luck with that. Not that there aren't women who need help - all kinds of people need help from time to time. But for every asshole who abuses women, there's a woman who'll rip you off in some way. In the real world, it's not one gender victimizing the other as a rule, but both in their own way.
Kanabia
22-01-2007, 06:25
As a guy I feel the natural need to defend the opposite sex from crocodiles, cults, bad influences, bad people and the list goes on. Unfortunately I'm too nerdy and physically weak to do so, however I have an idea. There should be an organization called the "knights in armor" who advertise on the tv and radio, and state that they are an organization out to give advice and protection to women having problems. I hope that an organization like this is made because there are far too many innocent girls out their victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty guys, some good respectable men have to team up to prevent any more feminine suffering. (hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)

Women aren't weak.
Pepe Dominguez
22-01-2007, 06:27
Interesting side note, I have read that calling someone a "knight in shining armour" would actually have been an insult at the time that said knights were common, because it would imply that they never actually used the stuff.

They probably shined the hell out of it before a battle though.. I'd think.
South Lizasauria
22-01-2007, 06:27
Damn the town I live in is loser town, there is a flood of women who need help and aren't getting any. :(
NERVUN
22-01-2007, 06:28
1. You can join the Knights of Jubal, same difference.
2. I think Bottle is probably going to tear into you for suggesting that women need men to save them.
South Lizasauria
22-01-2007, 06:28
Interesting side note, I have read that calling someone a "knight in shining armour" would actually have been an insult at the time that said knights were common, because it would imply that they never actually used the stuff.

Oh...:confused: linky?
Vetalia
22-01-2007, 06:28
Interesting side note, I have read that calling someone a "knight in shining armour" would actually have been an insult at the time that said knights were common, because it would imply that they never actually used the stuff.

It makes sense...it might also imply that the things they did fight for were less than valiant to begin with.
The Psyker
22-01-2007, 06:30
Interesting side note, I have read that calling someone a "knight in shining armour" would actually have been an insult at the time that said knights were common, because it would imply that they never actually used the stuff.
Kiryu-shi
22-01-2007, 06:30
1. You can join the Knights of Jubal, same difference.
2. I think Bottle is probably going to tear into you for suggesting that women need men to save them.

I bet it'll be more than just Bottle. *lurks, eats popcorn*
South Lizasauria
22-01-2007, 06:30
1. You can join the Knights of Jubal, same difference.
2. I think Bottle is probably going to tear into you for suggesting that women need men to save them.

Note that I didn't say that ALL women need men to save them, I'm just saying that there ought to be someone out there for those who need them. I didn't say "ALL WOMEN SHOULD CALL ONTO THE KNIGHTS IN ARMOR" I said only those who NEED HELP can call the number for help. Stop putting words in my mouth!
Kanabia
22-01-2007, 06:30
2. I think Bottle is probably going to tear into you for suggesting that women need men to save them.

And I say rightfully so.
South Lizasauria
22-01-2007, 06:32
And I say rightfully so.

Please acknowledge me previous post. I only suggest that THOSE WHO NEED HELP GET HELP, not every woman needs a guy to save them, take Hillary Clinton for example, no one needs to save her from anything, however we'll need to save the white house from her eventually.
NERVUN
22-01-2007, 06:32
Note that I didn't say that ALL women need men to save them, I'm just saying that there ought to be someone out there for those who need them. I didn't say "ALL WOMEN SHOULD CALL ONTO THE KNIGHTS IN ARMOR" I said only those who NEED HELP can call the number for help. Stop putting words in my mouth!
I hope that an organization like this is made because there are far too many innocent girls out their victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty guys, some good respectable men have to team up to prevent any more feminine suffering. (hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)
Don't see how else to take those words.
South Lizasauria
22-01-2007, 06:33
Don't see how else to take those words.

Fine explain the function of males in most species.
Arthais101
22-01-2007, 06:35
Fine explain the function of males in most species.

primarily? To provide semen.
Kanabia
22-01-2007, 06:36
Fine explain the function of males in most species.

Well, in lions, the males sit around and look pretty while the lionesses go out and hunt, and female spiders usually eat the males after copulation...
Arthais101
22-01-2007, 06:36
I said only those who NEED HELP can call the number for help.

I believe they have one already.

9-1-1
Vetalia
22-01-2007, 06:37
Well, in lions, the males sit around and look pretty while the lionesses go out and hunt, and female spiders usually eat the males after copulation...

I think a good rule of thumb is:

Human nature>biological drive

Humans (and dolphins, primates and elephants) don't always follow their biological drives to the letter; as free, conscious beings, we're able to make decisions and determine values that aren't necessarily in line with what other species might use.
Kanabia
22-01-2007, 06:40
I think a good rule of thumb is:

Human nature>biological drive

Humans (and dolphins, primates and elephants) don't always follow their biological drives to the letter; as free, conscious beings, we're able to make decisions and determine values that aren't necessarily in line with what other species might use.

Exactly.
South Lizasauria
22-01-2007, 06:42
I believe they have one already.

9-1-1

911 barely works anymore when it come to protecting people, they care more about doing things according to protocol whether it works or not....why else would I make this proposal. Besides the police are only for when things spiral out of control and somebody ends up breaking the law, this organization can prevent that, it can prevent tragedies like the ones in plays where the woman is taken advantage of then dies or goes mad and kills herself.

Well, in lions, the males sit around and look pretty while the lionesses go out and hunt, and female spiders usually eat the males after copulation...

MOST species?
Arthais101
22-01-2007, 06:44
911 barely works anymore when it come to protecting people, they care more about doing things according to protocol whether it works or not....why else would I make this proposal. Besides the police are only for when things spiral out of control and somebody ends up breaking the law, this organization can prevent that, it can prevent tragedies like the ones in plays where the woman is taken advantage of then dies or goes mad and kills herself.

So you're....what, going to be some sort of comic book vigilante, riding out into the night on your bitchin' motorcycle, black leather jacket and shotgun to put things right and protect the poor wimmin folk?
Kanabia
22-01-2007, 06:45
MOST species?

As was said earlier, to provide semen.

Nature is simply too diverse to develop that further.
South Lizasauria
22-01-2007, 06:55
So you're....what, going to be some sort of comic book vigilante, riding out into the night on your bitchin' motorcycle, black leather jacket and shotgun to put things right and protect the poor wimmin folk?

No. As stated in the first post I'd like to help these people but I can't. The reason I suggested this is far too many women are taken advantage of in the town I live in as the guys take advantage of them, I am too weak and afraid to do anything for them, in fact the last time I tried to help out I made things worse and my life got royally ruined.
Arthais101
22-01-2007, 06:57
No. As stated in the first post I'd like to help these people but I can't. The reason I suggested this is far too many women are taken advantage of in the town I live in as the guys take advantage of them, I am too weak and afraid to do anything for them, in fact the last time I tried to help out I made things worse and my life got royally ruined.

ooooh, ok.

So you want someone else to go vigilanting it up?
NERVUN
22-01-2007, 07:01
Fine explain the function of males in most species.
To impregnate females of that species. Most males of most species don't go around 'protecting' females unless it's to drive off other males who would mate with said female(s).
Arthais101
22-01-2007, 07:01
Exactly, I'm kinda like the poor bartender in the movie "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

you realize that polite society tends to look down on vigilante violence, something about the rule of law, and guilt determed by a jury of ones peers, something like that
Poliwanacraca
22-01-2007, 07:02
As a guy I feel the natural need to defend the opposite sex from crocodiles, cults, bad influences, bad people and the list goes on. Unfortunately I'm too nerdy and physically weak to do so, however I have an idea. There should be an organization called the "knights in armor" who advertise on the tv and radio, and state that they are an organization out to give advice and protection to women having problems. I hope that an organization like this is made because there are far too many innocent girls out their victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty guys, some good respectable men have to team up to prevent any more feminine suffering. (hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)

Bleh.

While I applaud your desire to help those in need, the last couple of lines of this post make me wince. I hate to break it to you, but as a barely-over-100-pound female, I'll still happily kick the ass of any guy who believes his function in life is to "protect" poor widdle me. :rolleyes:
South Lizasauria
22-01-2007, 07:04
ooooh, ok.

So you want someone else to go vigilanting it up?

Exactly, I'm kinda like the poor bartender in the movie "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"
Shakal
22-01-2007, 07:10
Bleh.

While I applaud your desire to help those in need, the last couple of lines of this post make me wince. I hate to break it to you, but as a barely-over-100-pound female, I'll still happily kick the ass of any guy who believes his function in life is to "protect" poor widdle me.

I think he means he just want to help the people that want it. I know full well that women can take care of themselves (To quote my Dad ''Boy, when your sister getsa boyfriend we wont have to worry about her. Were going to have to potect him from her!'')

As for me. I help anyone that needs it.
Poliwanacraca
22-01-2007, 07:27
I think he means he just want to help the people that want it. I know full well that women can take care of themselves (To quote my Dad ''Boy, when your sister getsa boyfriend we wont have to worry about her. Were going to have to potect him from her!'')

As for me. I help anyone that needs it.

This seems like a much better policy. Women don't need help from men, nor vice versa - people need help from people. I've been in some very crappy situations over the years, in which help and support would have been very welcome indeed, but I certainly never once thought, "Oh, how I need a Real Man (TM) to come save me!" :p
South Lizasauria
22-01-2007, 07:27
I think he means he just want to help the people that want it. I know full well that women can take care of themselves (To quote my Dad ''Boy, when your sister getsa boyfriend we wont have to worry about her. Were going to have to potect him from her!'')

As for me. I help anyone that needs it.

Exactly. As posted earlier, only those who need help can call.
Ladamesansmerci
22-01-2007, 07:30
As a guy I feel the natural need to defend the opposite sex from crocodiles, cults, bad influences, bad people and the list goes on. Unfortunately I'm too nerdy and physically weak to do so, however I have an idea. There should be an organization called the "knights in armor" who advertise on the tv and radio, and state that they are an organization out to give advice and protection to women having problems. I hope that an organization like this is made because there are far too many innocent girls out their victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty guys, some good respectable men have to team up to prevent any more feminine suffering. (hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)
Last time I checked, I'm not stupid or made of porceline. We don't need macho men protecting us, like we're properties to be defended.

edit: *warps*
Poliwanacraca
22-01-2007, 07:30
Exactly. As posted earlier, only those who need help can call.

Can men who need help call?

Can women who want to help be on the other end of the line?

(Of course, if so, you've just described a normal support hotline, many of which already exist.)
Arthais101
22-01-2007, 07:32
Exactly. As posted earlier, only those who need help can call.

I think many therapists would be greatly unhappy at your presumption that you can do their job for them. People are trained to help, and most insurance policies cover therapy. What makes you more qualified?

You aren't a therapist, you aren't a counselor. People who need help and need to talk to eople should seek PROFESSION help. Youwould probably do more harm than good, what the hell makes you think you're capable of this?

Let me guess, every woman you've ever known has said you're "such a good listener" and "a real friend"
Arthais101
22-01-2007, 07:33
Can men who need help call?

Can women who want to help be on the other end of the line?

(Of course, if so, you've just described a normal support hotline, many of which already exist.)

oh no, I think he's more envisioning a "hello knights in shining armor? A bunch of men were real assholes to me, and as real men your job is to protect me from that, so please kick their asses for me."

He basically is romanticizing vigilante justice.
Arthais101
22-01-2007, 07:37
Exactly. As posted earlier, only those who need help can call.

actually let's make this simple. What help exactly would be provided?
South Lizasauria
22-01-2007, 07:37
oh no, I think he's more envisioning a "hello knights in shining armor? A bunch of men were real assholes to me, and as real men your job is to protect me from that, so please kick their asses for me."

He basically is romanticizing vigilante justice.
What makes you think that?
Arthais101
22-01-2007, 07:39
What makes you think that?

because you said so.

So you want someone else to go vigilanting it up?

Exactly
The Ariel
22-01-2007, 08:04
I find these serious posts attempting to "enlighten" this young man rather foolish. People seem to be rather offended at this obviously day dreamy style post. The essence of what this person is saying is well intended, but due to his apparent immaturity he's got a rather rose colored view of reality.

Yes, it would be nice if a woman-or person in general-could simply pick up a phone to contact an organization that would execute precise justice. However, that ignores the human equation, and that is the very reason we have laws to prevent such things.

I applaud the op for his desire to help others, and I'm sorry people seem to take this post so seriously. Though I hope you do understand their points, it's simply not possible with the current state of human beings. Keep dreaming though, perhaps some day you'll do something grand along similar lines. Something a little more inside the realm of the law.
Infinite Revolution
22-01-2007, 10:52
As a guy I feel the natural need to defend the opposite sex from crocodiles, cults, bad influences, bad people and the list goes on. Unfortunately I'm too nerdy and physically weak to do so, however I have an idea. There should be an organization called the "knights in armor" who advertise on the tv and radio, and state that they are an organization out to give advice and protection to women having problems. I hope that an organization like this is made because there are far too many innocent girls out their victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty guys, some good respectable men have to team up to prevent any more feminine suffering. (hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)

this is not going to end well for you...
Forsakia
22-01-2007, 11:53
Can we have a cadre of highly trained women for men who need help? I'm sure I could find a use for them:)


Any innuendo in above post is entirely unintentional and hence responsibility for any resulting events of it must be born by the perverted minds that put it in there.
Nobel Hobos
22-01-2007, 12:29
As a guy I feel the natural need to defend the opposite sex from crocodiles, cults, bad influences, bad people and the list goes on. Unfortunately I'm too nerdy and physically weak to do so, however I have an idea. There should be an organization called the "knights in armor" who advertise on the tv and radio, and state that they are an organization out to give advice and protection to women having problems. I hope that an organization like this is made because there are far too many innocent girls out their victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty guys, some good respectable men have to team up to prevent any more feminine suffering. (hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)

Uh, no.
(1) It's patronizing crap.
(2) Decent guys do that anyway, on a case-by-case basis, and not just for 'the opposite sex.'
(2) There are far too many innocent guys out there victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty girls. As a guy, perhaps you should stand up for them, because you might have clue #1.
(4) This was trolling, right? And I just fell for it without reading even one reply.
(5) I don't care. It's patronizing crap.
Ifreann
22-01-2007, 12:53
Knights In Shining Armour!
Are you being raped?
Is someone in your house?
Do you need help?
Well, just call our 1800 number with all your credit card details and we'll send out someone who isn't allowed detain your attacker in case they sue us!
Compulsive Depression
22-01-2007, 12:59
Ifreann Wins, again!

Fine explain the function of males in most species.

They get farmed for meat.
Pure Metal
22-01-2007, 13:08
(hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)

wow.

just wow.
Ifreann
22-01-2007, 13:12
Ifreann Wins, again!

Hooray! *does a happy dance*

Awesome, we're still time warping. It never usually lasts this long.
Kanabia
22-01-2007, 13:13
wow.

just wow.

I kinda hoped he was being tongue in cheek there, so I brushed that one off.
Similization
22-01-2007, 13:22
OP you're one messed up little troll, but dispair not, I shall dispense wise advise: start rooting for the creation of orgs that'll sort out misogynistic little cunts like yourself, non-violently. Because some of us real-world entities aren't so nice about it.
Babelistan
22-01-2007, 13:24
sweet jesus no! the last thing we need is more civilian paladin attitude, when one of biggest(?) the armed forces in they world fly half-across the world to do it to strangers.
Haken Rider
22-01-2007, 13:34
I find these serious posts attempting to "enlighten" this young man rather foolish. People seem to be rather offended at this obviously day dreamy style post. The essence of what this person is saying is well intended, but due to his apparent immaturity he's got a rather rose colored view of reality.

Yes, it would be nice if a woman-or person in general-could simply pick up a phone to contact an organization that would execute precise justice. However, that ignores the human equation, and that is the very reason we have laws to prevent such things.

I applaud the op for his desire to help others, and I'm sorry people seem to take this post so seriously. Though I hope you do understand their points, it's simply not possible with the current state of human beings. Keep dreaming though, perhaps some day you'll do something grand along similar lines. Something a little more inside the realm of the law.
Oh... You're a very smart and friendly person. :)

I'm just going to second Ariels' thoughts. He has written my feelings down better than I could have.
Aelosia
22-01-2007, 13:35
Pffft, you people are destroying the very core of my defense system.

We need more guys like this one, that feel it is his biological duty to sacrifice himself for the protection and well being of the females. If we, as a gender, cultivate this kind of attitude, we could finally attain world domination over males.

But no, most of you accuse him of mysoginistic behavior...

You, wimmin of these forums, lack ambition.
Ifreann
22-01-2007, 13:36
Pffft, you people are destroying the very core of my defense system.

We need more guys like this one, that feel it is his biological duty to sacrifice himself for the protection and well being of the females. If we, as a gender, cultivate this kind of attitude, we could finally attain world domination over males.

But no, most of you accuse him of mysoginistic behavior...

You, wimmin of these forums, lack ambition.

Spend tomorrow topless and then try and tell me you don't already dominate us.
Similization
22-01-2007, 13:38
Pffft, you people are destroying the very core of my defense system.

We need more guys like this one, that feel it is his biological duty to sacrifice himself for the protection and well being of the females. If we, as a gender, cultivate this kind of attitude, we could finally attain world domination over males.

But no, most of you accuse him of mysoginistic behavior...

You, wimmin of these forums, lack ambition.Ahahahaha! I'm so glad my girl don't read these fora.
Kormanthor
22-01-2007, 13:42
Well being a transwoman myself I would've welcomed help from any source be it male or female when I was attacked at gun point on my front porch two yrs ago
Teh_pantless_hero
22-01-2007, 14:00
Dress like a pirate.
Ifreann
22-01-2007, 14:15
Dress like a pirate.

Be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLsJyfN0ICU) a pirate.
Nobel Hobos
22-01-2007, 14:18
Damn the town I live in is loser town, there is a flood of women who need help and aren't getting any. :(

Yeah I'm reading the thread now. You'd have to be emotionally involved, really quite moved by some injustice to post such a dumb thread-starter.

Case-by-case mate, person by person. Before setting out to rescue all womenkind, perhaps try to save just one innocent girl from the consequences of her own choices. See how that goes before ... well, reviving Chivalry.

1. You can join the Knights of Jubal, same difference.
2. I think Bottle is probably going to tear into you for suggesting that women need men to save them.I bet it'll be more than just Bottle. *lurks, eats popcorn*

Coward! At least throw popcorn.

And I say rightfully so.

You too? We all love Bottle and her eloquence, but this is a hole in common sense that needs truckloads of clean fill, not a Witch in Shining Armor.
Please acknowledge me previous post. I only suggest that THOSE WHO NEED HELP GET HELP, not every woman needs a guy to save them, take Hillary Clinton for example, no one needs to save her from anything, however we'll need to save the white house from her eventually.
True. She'll probably sell it and go live in Yucca Mountain instead. A whole lot safer there. ;)
Yeah, I know what you meant. But you are digging a hole worthy of a semi-diety troll here. I mean, no-one has taken your side yet, and you're confident with alienating the 20-30% of posters here who will support Clinton if she wins the Demo nomination? Why?
I think a good rule of thumb is:

Human nature>biological drive

Humans (and dolphins, primates and elephants) don't always follow their biological drives to the letter; as free, conscious beings, we're able to make decisions and determine values that aren't necessarily in line with what other species might use.
Yay elephants. Yay you, appealing to reason and free will to bust traditions.
I DO wish the other primates would get a bit of politics though. They really need to seperate the sex thing and the power thing :|
No. As stated in the first post I'd like to help these people but I can't. The reason I suggested this is far too many women are taken advantage of in the town I live in as the guys take advantage of them, I am too weak and afraid to do anything for them, in fact the last time I tried to help out I made things worse and my life got royally ruined.]
Roger that. I get it now, and all I can suggest is to move somewhere which doesn't suck and make a life there. Have a spare room, invite one of these females you feel for to come stay. The one most likely to trust you. If she finds her feet in the place which doesn't suck, move her out and invite another. If not, send her back to your sucky town.
There's you, the knight in shining armor. Win/win.

And even if you don't, the women will leave. I've seen those kind of towns. No young people, they vote with their feet. A whole lot of angry, lonely men (trapped by owning property which isn't worth their debts)

Fixing a crap culture is a lot harder than just walking away. <snip oil-on-the-water>

As for me. I help anyone that needs it.

Exactly! SL, right there in your town are people doing the right thing. They just don't set up a freecall number and call themselves "The Knights in Shining Armor." They don't make a big fuss, just do the right thing, one-on-one.
Likely, they have to exercise triage. Family first, then lifelong friends. When it's right in their face, or there's no-one else to do it. Whenever they can, within their capacity. You don't sell your house to help out the homeless guy, y'know?
Can men who need help call?

Can women who want to help be on the other end of the line?

(Of course, if so, you've just described a normal support hotline, many of which already exist.)
Ah. THIS is why it's a good idea to read the thread. It's been done already, in fewer words than the OP.

I'm gonna post anyway, because I love the sound of my own words. And perhaps it serves to rub in what a crap idea the OP was.

I find these serious posts attempting to "enlighten" this young man rather foolish. People seem to be rather offended at this obviously day dreamy style post. The essence of what this person is saying is well intended, but due to his apparent immaturity he's got a rather rose colored view of reality.

Yes, it would be nice if a woman-or person in general-could simply pick up a phone to contact an organization that would execute precise justice. However, that ignores the human equation, and that is the very reason we have laws to prevent such things.

I applaud the op for his desire to help others, and I'm sorry people seem to take this post so seriously. Though I hope you do understand their points, it's simply not possible with the current state of human beings. Keep dreaming though, perhaps some day you'll do something grand along similar lines. Something a little more inside the realm of the law.

Best post. Better than my omnibus of reflexive wisdom.
It was indeed a "daydreamish' thread-starter. The young romantic should perhaps describe the specific case of injustice which inspired the first post, and our collective wisdom and experience would be better applied there.
Perhaps there were many incidences of crappy power-relationships. The most recent or most poignant would be the place to start.

Punchline: individual problems would be solved by a universal solution, which is impossible; but universal problems can be partially solved by an individual solution, which is possible. Or as the hippies used to say: think globally, act locally.

Well being a transwoman myself I would've welcomed help from any source be it male or female when I was attacked at gun point on my front porch two yrs ago

damn! Thread isn't dead yet, thanks to the transwomen.
You know I won't post this until the thread has had the the last rites ;)

Dress like a pirate.
Fashion tips from ... :p
Bottle
22-01-2007, 19:20
As a guy I feel the natural need to defend the opposite sex from crocodiles, cults, bad influences, bad people and the list goes on. Unfortunately I'm too nerdy and physically weak to do so, however I have an idea. There should be an organization called the "knights in armor" who advertise on the tv and radio, and state that they are an organization out to give advice and protection to women having problems. I hope that an organization like this is made because there are far too many innocent girls out their victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty guys, some good respectable men have to team up to prevent any more feminine suffering.

I see absolutely no reason why women shouldn't also help to protect women, and why men and women shouldn't protect men as well.

If somebody came around proposing a special organization for white people who want to sign up to "protect" black people, what do you suppose the general reaction would be? If somebody came around suggesting that black people aren't able to cope with normal, every-day problems (like back-stabbing friends or "irresponsible cliques"), what do you suppose the general reaction would be?


(hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)
Then your God did a shit-ass job, because human males are the primary source of intentional injury and death of human females.
Bottle
22-01-2007, 19:23
2. I think Bottle is probably going to tear into you for suggesting that women need men to save them.
Meh, that's obviously to everybody. What really bugs me is the implications that

1) Women shouldn't/can't help protect other women
2) Women shouldn't/can't help protect men
3) Men shouldn't/can't help protect other men

Why shouldn't women also be expected to help protect other women? And why the hell should nobody be protecting men? I'm very fond of all the men in my life, and I resent the implication that their health and well-being is somehow less important or less worthy of protection simply because they happen to be male.

Boys and men are statistically more likely to be assaulted, are more likely to commit suicide, are more likely to be the victims of homicide, and are more likely to engage in multiple risky behaviors like substance abuse, fighting, or carrying illegal weapons. Yet people freak out so much more about "protecting" girls and women. I think boys and men need every bit as much support and protection as girls and women, but then again I also have this kooky notion that a person's gender doesn't define their value to society.
Arthais101
22-01-2007, 19:25
Meh, that's obviously to everybody. What really bugs me is the implications that

1) Women shouldn't/can't help protect other women
2) Women shouldn't/can't help protect men
3) Men shouldn't/can't help protect other men

Why shouldn't women also be expected to help protect other women? And why the hell should nobody be protecting men? I'm very fond of all the men in my life, and I resent the implication that their health and well-being is somehow less important or less worthy of protection simply because they happen to be male.

ignoring these obvious faults, my primary concern is that the OP never really defined "protect". Does he mean provide a person to talk to and sort out problems? I'd rather one do that with a trained therapist, not some joker on the phone.

Does he mean more of a physical approach? No thanks, that's the job of the police, and neither they, nor I, much favors vigilante justice.
Dinaverg
22-01-2007, 19:33
*sniff sniff* Mmmmm, what's cooking...
Bottle
22-01-2007, 19:33
ignoring these obvious faults, my primary concern is that the OP never really defined "protect". Does he mean provide a person to talk to and sort out problems? I'd rather one do that with a trained therapist, not some joker on the phone.

Yeah, he basically seems to be saying that females need to have some random guy hired to sort out their squabbles with their friends. I cannot believe that anybody would seriously view that as helpful.


Does he mean more of a physical approach? No thanks, that's the job of the police, and neither they, nor I, much favors vigilante justice.
I'm guessing it's mostly just more of the usual "keep them womenfolks under your eye" mentality.

Odds are that most of these "knights in shining armor" would actually spend most of their time telling women what to do. They'd be the ones telling girls that they shouldn't go out to a bar or have a drink at a party, because they'll get themselves into trouble. They'd be telling the girls not to wear that skirt because it will make boys harass them. They'd be telling the girls who they should have as friends and who they shouldn't. And so on.

People who hold patronizing and sexist ideas are almost always going to end up trying to "solve" problems by taking away womens' freedom and trying to make their choices for them.
Dinaverg
22-01-2007, 19:37
You mean, "Who's cooking," don't you?

Looking at what's left of the poor fellow, I don't feel comfortable calling it a who.
Farnhamia
22-01-2007, 19:39
*sniff sniff* Mmmmm, what's cooking...

You mean, "Who's cooking," don't you?
Ladamesansmerci
22-01-2007, 19:43
Looking at what's left of the poor fellow, I don't feel comfortable calling it a who.
He jumped into the boiling oil himself. We merely put the lid on. :p
Hydesland
22-01-2007, 19:54
Boys and men are statistically more likely to...... be the victims of homicide.

I find that very hard to believe.
Hydesland
22-01-2007, 19:55
Odds are that most of these "knights in shining armor" would actually spend most of their time telling women what to do. They'd be the ones telling girls that they shouldn't go out to a bar or have a drink at a party, because they'll get themselves into trouble. They'd be telling the girls not to wear that skirt because it will make boys harass them. They'd be telling the girls who they should have as friends and who they shouldn't. And so on.

People who hold patronizing and sexist ideas are almost always going to end up trying to "solve" problems by taking away womens' freedom and trying to make their choices for them.

Who's they?
Nova Magna Germania
22-01-2007, 19:57
As a guy I feel the natural need to defend the opposite sex from crocodiles, cults, bad influences, bad people and the list goes on. Unfortunately I'm too nerdy and physically weak to do so, however I have an idea. There should be an organization called the "knights in armor" who advertise on the tv and radio, and state that they are an organization out to give advice and protection to women having problems. I hope that an organization like this is made because there are far too many innocent girls out their victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty guys, some good respectable men have to team up to prevent any more feminine suffering. (hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)

That might be viewed sexist. So you'd need a "Ladies in armor" organization as well. But it may be confused with a kinky escort service or something. And even then, you have to consider sexuality. You'll need "Gay Knights in Armor" and "Lesbians in Armor" and "Bi's in Armor", then Armors for animals, plants, etc...There is also a niche for "knights and just friends" or "knight and sex" or "escort knight" or "knight knight" (to watch over knights) etc...
LiberationFrequency
22-01-2007, 20:02
I find that very hard to believe.

I don't


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/gender.htm
Bottle
23-01-2007, 13:51
I find that very hard to believe.
You'll also find it's quite easy to look up such information for yourself.
Bottle
23-01-2007, 13:51
Who's they?
I'll bet if somebody offered you $100 to identify the "they" in that paragraph, you'd be able to do it. The fact that you are choosing to play dumb is very telling.
Compulsive Depression
23-01-2007, 13:59
I'll bet if somebody offered you $100 to identify the "they" in that paragraph, you'd be able to do it. The fact that you are choosing to play dumb is very telling.

You used "they" to refer to both "the girls" (three times) and "knights in shining armour" (the other times), and I claim my fifty pounds and sixty-fourpence ;)
Bottle
23-01-2007, 14:06
You used "they" to refer to both "the girls" (three times) and "knights in shining armour" (the other times), and I claim my fifty pounds and sixty-fourpence ;)
See, and this is why I don't go around offering people money in exchange for basic reading comprehension! Because this forum is full of absurdly perceptive wise-asses who will actually take me up on it! :D
The Infinite Dunes
23-01-2007, 15:38
As a guy I feel the natural need to defend the opposite sex from crocodiles, cults, bad influences, bad people and the list goes on. Unfortunately I'm too nerdy and physically weak to do so, however I have an idea. There should be an organization called the "knights in armor" who advertise on the tv and radio, and state that they are an organization out to give advice and protection to women having problems. I hope that an organization like this is made because there are far too many innocent girls out their victimized by irresponsible cliques, greedy friends and nasty guys, some good respectable men have to team up to prevent any more feminine suffering. (hey thats why God made males to protect the females as well as mate with them)Sounds like the females need to set up an organisation to save your arse... I normally try to help people out... not how this extends to people of both genders... sex... whatever... I just had a seminar on feminism, and by brain's still thinging about whether gender/sex is a big physical difference or whether gender is a social construct. blah