NationStates Jolt Archive

Five Moroccan men who were released from detention at the US base in Guantanamo Bay have been cleared of terrorism-related charges in Morocco.

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They were accused of belonging to a criminal group and failing to denounce crimes threatening state security.

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Rabat's criminal appeal court acquitted the five men.

BBC article here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6280627.stm).

And these were people who, according to some here in NS, should have been granted no legal rights.

There's still 495 who need the same thing...

There's still 495 who need the same thing...

they could at least let the kids go.

'Work can set you free - Arbeit macht frei'

Fuck Bush.

Happy fifth birthday Guantanamo, you mockery of justice and rule of law you :)

Fuck Bush.

So I take it you don't like freedom, and justice?

So I take it you don't like freedom, and justice?

What in the quoted statement gives you that impression?

So I take it you don't like pro-business theocracy, and dictatorial lawless imperialism?

Not really.

What in the quoted statement gives you that impression?

Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?

Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?

That's what the Gestapo SS said.

Now we just need the magic wand that gives back the three or however many years of their lives back.

Not really.

That disappoints me.

Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?

Well I don't know about him, but I sure don't.

Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?
Yes because imposing legislation that has the potential to getting rid of habius corpus is PROTECTING freedom ?

No I do not agree

That's what the Gestapo SS said.

Are you comparing me to a group of Nazi sympathizers?

Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?

Oh, Ruffy, you're such a delight.

Yes because imposing legislation that has the potential to getting rid of habius corpus is PROTECTING freedom ?

No I do not agree

Maybe he just doesn't like Latin?

Maybe he just doesn't like Latin?

lol possible ... though him being a frat boy and branded with Latin letters for a few years is made even funnier at the thought

The process is manifestly unfair and unjust, their is no right for the accused to confront their accuses, people can be executed under hear-say evidence, and torture extracted 'testimony' before 2006 is acceptable. The defense is not allowed to see much of the evidence against them, as it's confidential, so it's impossible for the defense to mount an effective case.

As an Australian Law Uni student, I heard Major Michael Mori (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mori) speak in person at our lecture theater in regard to the illegality of the system. In Aus terms, it's like the DPP (Director of Public Prosecutions) being the Judge, the Bush Administration effectively controls the case outcome. People are also kept in solitary confinement indefinitely.

I personally find it offensive that anyone would find the process fair, it is a mockery of everything modern civilization stands for. Shame on you, IL Ruffino.

I personally find it offensive that anyone would find the process fair, it is a mockery of everything modern civilization stands for. Shame on you, IL Ruffino.

You obiovusly don'y know Ruffy's style.

Are you comparing me to a group of Nazi sympathizers?

I believe the comparison was meant to be between the Gestapo and Bush, not you. Incidentally, while he may be doing his personal best to protect our freedoms and the like, you can hardly deny that his best is rather shoddy compared to that of previous leaders.

lol possible ... though him being a frat boy and branded with Latin letters for a few years is made even funnier at the thought

He was so high on cocaine and drunk back then that he thought it was just his eye sight.

The process is manifestly unfair and unjust, their is no right for the accused to confront their accuses, people can be executed under hear-say evidence, and torture extracted 'testimony' before 2006 is acceptable. The defense is not allowed to see much of the evidence against them, as it's confidential, so it's impossible for the defense to mount an effective case.

May I ask, how do you feel about "innocent until proven guilty" yet the person is held without bail? It's the same thing.
As an Australian Law Uni student, I heard Major Michael Mori (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mori) speak in person at our lecture theater in regard to the illegality of the system. In Aus terms, it's like the DPP (Director of Public Prosecutions) being the Judge, the Bush Administration effectively controls the case outcome. People are also kept in solitary confinement indefinitely.

I hardly think the Bush Administration would go on a witch hunt for the hell of it. They feel you are a threat, they have the ability, and the right to protect their citizens from you.
I personally find it offensive that anyone would find the process fair, it is a mockery of everything modern civilization stands for. Shame on you, IL Ruffino.

Offensive? That someone holds a different opinion that your own?

Oh, Ruffy, you're such a delight.

Afternoon delight ;)

Sky rockets in flight. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1lMQHsDns) Afternoon delight. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdjC2vL-574&mode=related&search=) :D

May I ask, how do you feel about "innocent until proven guilty" yet the person is held without bail? It's the same thing.


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There has to be a preponderance of evidence that he is at risk of running or a threat to others safty. Not so in this case ...

And in the end even without bail the accused has the right to a speedy trial by his peers (rather then government officials)

False on both the speedy or the trial of peers part here

There are some pretty big differences there

So I take it you don't like freedom, and justice?
You are no good at trolling!

Now we just need the magic wand that gives back the three or however many years of their lives back.

Indeed.

Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?

I question whether he is doing the best he can.

Regardess, a cat placed my doorstep might do the very best it can to stop people from entering, that doesn't mean that his best is in any sense adequate.

Now we just need the magic wand that gives back the three or however many years of their lives back.

also, to erase the damage from the torture and such

also, to erase the damage from the torture and such

All they need is a pat on the head and a cookie.

All they need is a pat on the head and a cookie.

And a "So we're cool about it...right?"

These men are innocent of all charges ever brought against them? Wait... that means fuck all... Let me rephrase. These men are not terrorists? Why must you shatter my cosy world view? The next thing you'll be telling me is that, despite being German, the Pope is not a Lutheran.

These men are innocent of all charges ever brought against them? Wait... that means fuck all... Let me rephrase. These men are not terrorists? Why must you shatter my cosy world view? The next thing you'll be telling me is that, despite being German, the Pope is not a Lutheran.

Well, I ... uhm ... :eek: