NationStates Jolt Archive


Guantanamo ex-detainees cleared of terrorism charges

Ariddia
21-01-2007, 02:17
Five Moroccan men who were released from detention at the US base in Guantanamo Bay have been cleared of terrorism-related charges in Morocco.

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They were accused of belonging to a criminal group and failing to denounce crimes threatening state security.

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Rabat's criminal appeal court acquitted the five men.

BBC article here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6280627.stm).

And these were people who, according to some here in NS, should have been granted no legal rights.
Sel Appa
21-01-2007, 02:28
There's still 495 who need the same thing...
Ashmoria
21-01-2007, 03:02
There's still 495 who need the same thing...

they could at least let the kids go.
Andaras Prime
21-01-2007, 03:11
'Work can set you free - Arbeit macht frei'
The Pacifist Womble
21-01-2007, 03:28
Fuck Bush.
Gravlen
21-01-2007, 03:30
Happy fifth birthday Guantanamo, you mockery of justice and rule of law you :)
IL Ruffino
21-01-2007, 03:49
Fuck Bush.

So I take it you don't like freedom, and justice?
UpwardThrust
21-01-2007, 03:53
So I take it you don't like freedom, and justice?

What in the quoted statement gives you that impression?
Andaras Prime
21-01-2007, 03:57
So I take it you don't like pro-business theocracy, and dictatorial lawless imperialism?

Not really.
IL Ruffino
21-01-2007, 03:58
What in the quoted statement gives you that impression?

Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?
Andaras Prime
21-01-2007, 03:59
Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?

That's what the Gestapo SS said.
Cannot think of a name
21-01-2007, 03:59
Now we just need the magic wand that gives back the three or however many years of their lives back.
IL Ruffino
21-01-2007, 03:59
Not really.

That disappoints me.
Vahaie
21-01-2007, 04:00
Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?

Well I don't know about him, but I sure don't.
UpwardThrust
21-01-2007, 04:02
Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?
Yes because imposing legislation that has the potential to getting rid of habius corpus is PROTECTING freedom ?

No I do not agree
IL Ruffino
21-01-2007, 04:03
That's what the Gestapo SS said.

Are you comparing me to a group of Nazi sympathizers?
Neo Kervoskia
21-01-2007, 04:05
Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?

Oh, Ruffy, you're such a delight.
IL Ruffino
21-01-2007, 04:06
Yes because imposing legislation that has the potential to getting rid of habius corpus is PROTECTING freedom ?

No I do not agree

Maybe he just doesn't like Latin?
UpwardThrust
21-01-2007, 04:07
Maybe he just doesn't like Latin?

lol possible ... though him being a frat boy and branded with Latin letters for a few years is made even funnier at the thought
Andaras Prime
21-01-2007, 04:08
The process is manifestly unfair and unjust, their is no right for the accused to confront their accuses, people can be executed under hear-say evidence, and torture extracted 'testimony' before 2006 is acceptable. The defense is not allowed to see much of the evidence against them, as it's confidential, so it's impossible for the defense to mount an effective case.

As an Australian Law Uni student, I heard Major Michael Mori (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mori) speak in person at our lecture theater in regard to the illegality of the system. In Aus terms, it's like the DPP (Director of Public Prosecutions) being the Judge, the Bush Administration effectively controls the case outcome. People are also kept in solitary confinement indefinitely.

I personally find it offensive that anyone would find the process fair, it is a mockery of everything modern civilization stands for. Shame on you, IL Ruffino.
Neo Kervoskia
21-01-2007, 04:10
I personally find it offensive that anyone would find the process fair, it is a mockery of everything modern civilization stands for. Shame on you, IL Ruffino.

You obiovusly don'y know Ruffy's style.
Vahaie
21-01-2007, 04:10
Are you comparing me to a group of Nazi sympathizers?

I believe the comparison was meant to be between the Gestapo and Bush, not you. Incidentally, while he may be doing his personal best to protect our freedoms and the like, you can hardly deny that his best is rather shoddy compared to that of previous leaders.
IL Ruffino
21-01-2007, 04:10
lol possible ... though him being a frat boy and branded with Latin letters for a few years is made even funnier at the thought

He was so high on cocaine and drunk back then that he thought it was just his eye sight.
IL Ruffino
21-01-2007, 04:16
The process is manifestly unfair and unjust, their is no right for the accused to confront their accuses, people can be executed under hear-say evidence, and torture extracted 'testimony' before 2006 is acceptable. The defense is not allowed to see much of the evidence against them, as it's confidential, so it's impossible for the defense to mount an effective case.

May I ask, how do you feel about "innocent until proven guilty" yet the person is held without bail? It's the same thing.
As an Australian Law Uni student, I heard Major Michael Mori (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mori) speak in person at our lecture theater in regard to the illegality of the system. In Aus terms, it's like the DPP (Director of Public Prosecutions) being the Judge, the Bush Administration effectively controls the case outcome. People are also kept in solitary confinement indefinitely.

I hardly think the Bush Administration would go on a witch hunt for the hell of it. They feel you are a threat, they have the ability, and the right to protect their citizens from you.
I personally find it offensive that anyone would find the process fair, it is a mockery of everything modern civilization stands for. Shame on you, IL Ruffino.

Offensive? That someone holds a different opinion that your own?
Gravlen
21-01-2007, 04:18
Oh, Ruffy, you're such a delight.

Afternoon delight ;)

Sky rockets in flight. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1lMQHsDns) Afternoon delight. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdjC2vL-574&mode=related&search=) :D
UpwardThrust
21-01-2007, 04:30
May I ask, how do you feel about "innocent until proven guilty" yet the person is held without bail? It's the same thing.


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There has to be a preponderance of evidence that he is at risk of running or a threat to others safty. Not so in this case ...

And in the end even without bail the accused has the right to a speedy trial by his peers (rather then government officials)

False on both the speedy or the trial of peers part here

There are some pretty big differences there
The Pacifist Womble
21-01-2007, 04:30
So I take it you don't like freedom, and justice?
You are no good at trolling!
Ariddia
22-01-2007, 22:07
Now we just need the magic wand that gives back the three or however many years of their lives back.

Indeed.
Arthais101
22-01-2007, 22:09
Do you not agree that, while he might be over reacting, Bush is doing the best he can do to keep us safe, and protect important freedoms?

I question whether he is doing the best he can.

Regardess, a cat placed my doorstep might do the very best it can to stop people from entering, that doesn't mean that his best is in any sense adequate.
Free Soviets
22-01-2007, 22:40
Now we just need the magic wand that gives back the three or however many years of their lives back.

also, to erase the damage from the torture and such
Snafturi
22-01-2007, 22:58
also, to erase the damage from the torture and such

All they need is a pat on the head and a cookie.
Eltaphilon
22-01-2007, 23:13
All they need is a pat on the head and a cookie.

And a "So we're cool about it...right?"
The Infinite Dunes
22-01-2007, 23:34
These men are innocent of all charges ever brought against them? Wait... that means fuck all... Let me rephrase. These men are not terrorists? Why must you shatter my cosy world view? The next thing you'll be telling me is that, despite being German, the Pope is not a Lutheran.
Farnhamia
22-01-2007, 23:41
These men are innocent of all charges ever brought against them? Wait... that means fuck all... Let me rephrase. These men are not terrorists? Why must you shatter my cosy world view? The next thing you'll be telling me is that, despite being German, the Pope is not a Lutheran.

Well, I ... uhm ... :eek: