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So the US isn't imperialist and isn't the Cold War over?

Sel Appa
21-01-2007, 01:57
The US is trying to place an anti-missile radar thingy in the Czech Republic and some anti-missile launchers in Poland claiming they are needed to defend Europe against missiles from Iran or North Korea. Since when is Europe under threat of attack from...anyone. And since when does North Korea have working missiles? And since when are missiles even a threat anymore? The only people using missiles since 1990 is the US and maybe Britain helping the US. Methinks this is just to poke at Russia and continue the US display of power.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070120/ap_on_re_eu/czech_us_missile_defense)

PRAGUE, Czech Republic - The United States has asked the Czech Republic to host a radar base that would be part of a global missile defense system, the prime minister announced Saturday, drawing a warning from Russia of retaliatory actions.

U.S. officials contend the system could defend Europe against intercontinental missiles fired by states such as
Iran and
North Korea. But the Kremlin warned that the military balance in Europe could be at stake and said the development risked a new arms race.

Independent defense experts have said the ground-based missile defense system is still years from being able to protect against long-range missile attacks.

Washington declined comment on Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek's statement. But the U.S. has been negotiating with Poland and the Czech Republic, both former communist states now in
NATO, as it explores setting up missile defense sites in Eastern Europe.

The U.S. has missile interceptor bases in Alaska and California. It activated a powerful X-band radar site in northern Japan as part of the system last September, but so far has no anti-missile weapons based outside U.S. territory.

The U.S. request that the Czech Republic host only an X-band radar facility could indicate Washington is considering putting launchers for anti-missile missiles in Poland.

Czech authorities refused to comment on Poland's possible role. Topolanek said only that he would discuss the issue with his Polish counterpart, Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

Topolanek said his government would name a committee in the next week to consider the U.S. request and a decision could take several months. Czech opposition parties have spoken against the defense system, and the premier's governing coalition does not have enough parliament votes to pass measures on its own.

In Moscow, Andrei Kokoshin, the former Russian Security Council chief who now heads parliament's committee for ties with former Soviet bloc nations, warned that Czech approval of the plan would "not pass without consequences."

Russian lawmakers dealing with security issues "will recommend taking retaliatory measures" that would "help maintain strategic stability and ensure the national security of Russia and our friends and allies," Kokoshin was quoted as telling the Interfax news agency.

A State Department spokesman, Edgar Vasquez, told The Associated Press he could not confirm that the Czechs had been asked to host the radar site and Poles the missile interceptors. He only repeated that negotiations were under way.

"Depending on the result of the discussions, the U.S. will seek to field a limited number of ground-based missile defense silo launchers, with their associated interceptors, similar to those currently fielded at Fort Greely, Alaska, and to deploy an X-band radar for midcourse tracking and discrimination of ballistic missile threats out of the Middle East," he said.

Vasquez would not specify which countries in the Middle East are considered a threat, but U.S. officials and others worry about Iran's development of long-range missiles that can reach Europe.

The missile defense system is intended to begin tracking missiles early during their boost phase and then guide intercepter missiles that would destroy the threatening missiles in flight.

So far, the U.S. military has deployed only a small number of interceptor missiles — at least 11 at Fort Greely and two at Vandenberg Air Force Base on the central California coast.

Topolanek said that if the Czech Republic approves the U.S. request, some 200 American specialists would be deployed here and the base would become operational in 2011.

"We are convinced that a possible deployment of the radar station on our territory is in our interest," he said. "It will increase security of the Czech Republic and Europe."
The South Islands
21-01-2007, 02:05
I don't think this ballistic missile defence thingie is aimed at russia. Face it, if russia wanted to blow us off the face of the earth, there isn't a damn thing even the best missile defense system could do.

The present system is aimed at stopping the small scale attack. Probably about a dozen missiles at the most. In case a tinpot dictator in one of the -stans gets his hands on a few ex-russian missiles and has a serious mental breakdown.

If one of the nuclear superpowers launched, we would be done for, no matter how many missiles we have availible. If a few missiles are launched, we would at least have a chance to blow them up before millions die in a nuclear inferno.
Sel Appa
21-01-2007, 02:15
Well I still like to rant...
Vetalia
21-01-2007, 02:18
No, these probably are intended for defense against Iran and North Korea; I mean, barring the completion of the SDI we would still be vulnerable to a Russian nuclear attack regardless of this system.

And even so, what's the problem? Russia has no problem doing its own displays of power and influence, so I see no reason why we shouldn't do the same. Europe's a lot more threatened by Russia than it has ever been by the US. We have to protect our international influence as well, especially when it has the side advantage of putting pressure on potential threats like Russia or Iran.
Sel Appa
21-01-2007, 02:27
Russia is not a threat, it's the anti-threat. :)
Greyenivol Colony
21-01-2007, 02:32
I feel safer already!!!
The Pacifist Womble
21-01-2007, 02:37
No, these probably are intended for defense against Iran and North Korea; I mean, barring the completion of the SDI we would still be vulnerable to a Russian nuclear attack regardless of this system.

And even so, what's the problem? Russia has no problem doing its own displays of power and influence, so I see no reason why we shouldn't do the same. Europe's a lot more threatened by Russia than it has ever been by the US. We have to protect our international influence as well, especially when it has the side advantage of putting pressure on potential threats like Russia or Iran.
Russia is no longer a military threat. Iran is not a threat to Europe, and NK even less so.
Vetalia
21-01-2007, 02:41
Russia is no longer a military threat. Iran is not a threat to Europe, and NK even less so.

Russia is a threat, but it's an energy threat rather than a military one.

Iran and North Korea might be threats...we have no idea what they might decide to do if certain things go wrong, and personally I would rather be safe than sorry.
Socialist Pyrates
21-01-2007, 02:51
The US is trying to place an anti-missile radar thingy in the Czech Republic and some anti-missile launchers in Poland claiming they are needed to defend Europe against missiles from Iran or North Korea. Since when is Europe under threat of attack from...anyone. And since when does North Korea have working missiles? And since when are missiles even a threat anymore? The only people using missiles since 1990 is the US and maybe Britain helping the US. Methinks this is just to poke at Russia and continue the US display of power.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070120/ap_on_re_eu/czech_us_missile_defense)

it's politically useful for some to create a cold war scenario(with Russians terrorists or whoever) even when there is no threat.
GreaterPacificNations
21-01-2007, 03:10
China?
Najitene
21-01-2007, 03:14
War... huh....

What is it good for

Absolutely nothin'