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Okay, so this is the biggest surprise since the news that the sky is blue and that the earth revolves around the sun, but it is official (http://hillaryclinton.com). She has, to steal a phrase from Jon Stewart, thrown her hat into the ring next to the ring she would throw her hat into were she actually going to run for president.

Let me get this out front--she's not my favorite. She's not even close to the top of my list. But I do applaud her run, simply because I'm a believer that if you have a chance to be a groundbreaker, you have a duty to be one. Hillary is the first woman with a real chance to be a major party nominee, and she has to take it.

She's too polarizing to win IMHO. But it is a first and she is a groundbreaker.

Weekly World News announced that earlier in the week. They also stated that she's chosen Bigfoot as her running mate. It seems Weekly World News scooped every other media outlet on her decision to run.

One more reason to trust them! :p

Edit: Time warp!

Weekly World News announced that earlier in the week. They also stated that she's chosen Bigfoot as her running mate. It seems Weekly World News scooped every other media outlet on her decision to run.

Oh I am so surprised. The carpetbagger is running for president. Oh golly, what a shock.

Okay, so this is the biggest surprise since the news that the sky is blue and that the earth revolves around the sun, but it is official (http://hillaryclinton.com). She has, to steal a phrase from Jon Stewart, thrown her hat into the ring next to the ring she would throw her hat into were she actually going to run for president.

Let me get this out front--she's not my favorite. She's not even close to the top of my list. But I do applaud her run, simply because I'm a believer that if you have a chance to be a groundbreaker, you have a duty to be one. Hillary is the first woman with a real chance to be a major party nominee, and she has to take it.

Today I am announcing that I will form an exploratory committee to run for president.

Taken from the link provided, does this not mean that she is forming a group to see if it would be viable for her to run for president...rather than her actually saying she will. (I presume she thinks it is viable)

Ought to be entertaining to watch the fireworks between her and Obamaosama, or whatever Teddy called him.

Oh I am so surprised. The carpetbagger is running for president. Oh golly, what a shock.

But wait. Didn't she and Obama explicitly state they WEREN'T going to run?

Oh I am so surprised. The carpetbagger is running for president. Oh golly, what a shock.

Just for my own understanding - why "carpetbagger"?

But wait. Didn't she and Obama explicitly state they WEREN'T going to run?

Not that I know of--they both used that Senate-speak that didn't really mean anything when you parse it out whenever they talked about it in the past, which you can generally interpret as "I'm running but I can't officially say so yet."

Weekly World News announced that earlier in the week. They also stated that she's chosen Bigfoot as her running mate. It seems Weekly World News scooped every other media outlet on her decision to run.


:rolleyes: Bigfoot is really putting his political rep on the line with a move like this. Do you think he will be able to survive if things go wrong?

:rolleyes: Bigfoot is really putting his political rep on the line with a move like this. Do you think he will be able to survive if things go wrong?

He can always fall back on his successful modeling career.

http://i18.tinypic.com/2ng4mqq.jpg

Reckon she'll drop out when her exploratory committee finds that only the ultra-ultra-left will vote for her?

Okay, so this is the biggest surprise since the news that the sky is blue and that the earth revolves around the sun, but it is official (http://hillaryclinton.com). She has, to steal a phrase from Jon Stewart, thrown her hat into the ring next to the ring she would throw her hat into were she actually going to run for president.

Let me get this out front--she's not my favorite. She's not even close to the top of my list. But I do applaud her run, simply because I'm a believer that if you have a chance to be a groundbreaker, you have a duty to be one. Hillary is the first woman with a real chance to be a major party nominee, and she has to take it.

Well, someone's got to stop that pro-censoring, pandering, pathetic, shallow spectre of a politician. Ugh. I really hope she doesn't get her party's nomination, because then we'd probably end up seeing a race between Hillary and Condi. If that happens...hooboy...

Well, I know a way I could fix that. I'm going to start an exploratory committe too. Can't be that hard, if Hillary is doing it.

(Objectives to be completed: 1. Figure out how to make everyone think you're thirty five.)

Hillary is almost enough to make me vote Repugnantcan.

*cries*

my tummy hurts :(

Just for my own understanding - why "carpetbagger"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger

it means someone who is opportunistic.

because then we'd probably end up seeing a race between Hillary and Condi.


Condi isn't running....she's said so explicity and publicly. Besides, it's going to be too late for her to start before long, she would need to establish a platform, assemble a team of supporters and a network of professionals to help promote her, and distance herself from the Bush Administration all within the course of one year.

I hate USA, I always have, and seemingly always will. (Not flagburning, explosive hate. Think more like snotty nosed French-esque disdain). (Actually French Hate is perfect, the word for such in the aforementioned language being 'detest', a better word for my sentiments on the USA).

However, I swear on what little I can scrape together to form an ideaological semblance to commitment, that if Barack Obama gets elected I will personally repent my anti-US sentiments, buy a star-spangled flagy thing, and send a personal written apology to Pres. Obama for hating his country in the past.

I will drop my antagonistic shit, and cut the second guessing of every move the country makes. I will begin to pepper my political converstions with mild admiration for the US of A. I swear it. I'll even start eat Mc Donalds. Just Vote for him please. PLEASE. What can I do to sway you guys into this. He is bar far the least hatable leader US has ever hoped to have since Chuck Norris (No disrespect intended Mr. Norris).

I solemnly swear here and now that if Obama becomes president of the USA I will buy a beer for any American who reads this and comes to my residence and/or person with a printed copy of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger

it means someone who is opportunistic.

Indeed, and specifically an outsider not planning to stay.
I could have told you the moment she started running for Senator in New York that this was her planned stepping stone to a presidential race.

I hate USA, I always have, and seemingly always will. (Not flagburning, explosive hate. Think more like snotty nosed French-esque disdain). (Actually French Hate is perfect, the word for such in the aforementioned language being 'detest', a better word for my sentiments on the USA).

However, I swear on what little I can scrape together to form an ideaological semblance to commitment, that if Barack Obama gets elected I will personally repent my anti-US sentiments, buy a star-spangled flagy thing, and send a personal written apology to Pres. Obama for hating his country in the past.

I will drop my antagonistic shit, and cut the second guessing of every move the country makes. I will begin to pepper my political converstions with mild admiration for the US of A. I swear it. I'll even start eat Mc Donalds. Just Vote for him please. PLEASE. What can I do to sway you guys into this. He is bar far the least hatable leader US has ever hoped to have since Chuck Norris (No disrespect intended Mr. Norris).

I solemnly swear here and now that if Obama becomes president of the USA I will buy a beer for any American who reads this and comes to my residence and/or person with a printed copy of it.


You don't have to eat McDonald's. We're not that cruel. ;)

You don't have to eat McDonald's. We're not that cruel. ;)

*cries* Thank you! Thank you wise and merciful Mistress of Freedom, I bo-
wait.. he hasn't been voted in yet.

Does it contradict the definition of 'patriotic' to be such for a country which is not your own?

Is it at all possible that both the republicans and the Democrats could nominate Obama as their cantidate for presidency? Perhaps by forming a coalition? This would put Obama against countless third Parties (thus simultaneously fixing the 2 party problem!)

Condi isn't running....she's said so explicity and publicly. Besides, it's going to be too late for her to start before long, she would need to establish a platform, assemble a team of supporters and a network of professionals to help promote her, and distance herself from the Bush Administration all within the course of one year.
Well, I stated Condi because she's the only black woman I know of in politics that is a Republican. When it comes to minorities in elections, parties tend to one up each other, so if the Dems nominated Hillary, a white woman, the Repubs would have no choice but to nominate a black woman, to one up them AND score an extra set of minority votes. Is there any other black female Republican in politics that might have a shot, then?

*cries* Thank you! Thank you wise and merciful Mistress of Freedom, I bo-
wait.. he hasn't been voted in yet.

Does it contradict the definition of 'patriotic' to be such for a country which is not your own?

Well, you could admire our good sense, should it come to pass. Sadly, I think with Hillary and Barack both throwing their hats in the ring, Barack's support will be weakened... and dare I say it, a goodly portion of this country will not vote for him not because he's not Republican, and not because of his platform, and not even because compared to other candidates he's a Johnny-come-lately with less experience, but simply because of the level of melanin in his skin.

Looks like Bill may get to be president again, ermn, The First Man of the USA <.<

Looks like Bill may get to be president again, ermn, The First Man of the USA <.<

Like he was in charge the first time?

I hate USA, I always have, and seemingly always will. (Not flagburning, explosive hate. Think more like snotty nosed French-esque disdain). (Actually French Hate is perfect, the word for such in the aforementioned language being 'detest', a better word for my sentiments on the USA).

However, I swear on what little I can scrape together to form an ideaological semblance to commitment, that if Barack Obama gets elected I will personally repent my anti-US sentiments, buy a star-spangled flagy thing, and send a personal written apology to Pres. Obama for hating his country in the past.

I will drop my antagonistic shit, and cut the second guessing of every move the country makes. I will begin to pepper my political converstions with mild admiration for the US of A. I swear it. I'll even start eat Mc Donalds. Just Vote for him please. PLEASE. What can I do to sway you guys into this. He is bar far the least hatable leader US has ever hoped to have since Chuck Norris (No disrespect intended Mr. Norris).

I solemnly swear here and now that if Obama becomes president of the USA I will buy a beer for any American who reads this and comes to my residence and/or person with a printed copy of it.What's so great about Obama and why should any of us care what you think of our country?

Reckon she'll drop out when her exploratory committee finds that only the ultra-ultra-left will vote for her?
You're funny because you're clueless.

Like he was in charge the first time?

Erm, true...but still has power by affiliation <.<

What's so great about Obama and why should any of us care what you think of our country?
Obama is great because Jon Stewart once said he was "great", and that makes it true. Just consider yourself lucky he's held himself back from declaring Disco as "back."
I find his pretension of being a "little people" unbearably obnoxious, and dearly hope to see Hillary squash him in the primaries simply to see the same group of losers who heralded the rise of Howard Dean get kicked in the teeth once again.

Obama is great because Jon Stewart once said he was "great", and that makes it true. Just consider yourself lucky he's held himself back from declaring Disco as "back."
I find his pretension of being a "little people" unbearably obnoxious, and dearly hope to see Hillary squash him in the primaries simply to see the same group of losers who heralded the rise of Howard Dean get kicked in the teeth once again.Hate to dash your hopes, but I believe most of the former Deaniacs have gravitated over to John Edwards's camp for the moment.

I, for one, did not see this coming. It's totally unexpected.

Oh I am so surprised. The carpetbagger is running for president. Oh golly, what a shock.

I, for one, did not see this coming. It's totally unexpected.
I assure you that your sarcastic responses were just as unexpected.

I assure you that your sarcastic responses were just as unexpected.

Now the question is: Were yours?

Well, we can certainly hope that someone who doesn't suck nearly as much as her gets the D nod, perhaps Obama will, he seems to be a decent enough chap. I mean, after all even conservatives are reading his book.

I think Hilary has a good chance to win. After all, white males typically do...

...this would be no different...

I think Hilary has a good chance to win. After all, white males typically do...

...this would be no different...

Oh come on, can't we think of better ways to insult her than questioning her gender? I mean, what is this, second grade?

Well... I deeply dislike Hillary as a candidate, and I wish she hadn't decided to run, but, I suppose I should at the very least congratulate her for taking the plunge that comes with being a woman running for President.

Now... On to what amused me. You'll notice that Obama opened up with a direct conversation with Americans, talking to them and really reaching out. Hillary, on the other hand, started with, "I'm in. And I'm in to win." I have to admit that my first response was somewhere in between a snork of indifference and a spark of something akin to annoyance. The sheer arrogance of that sentence (in a purely objective way) is dangerous to any campaign.

Now, why on earth would Hillary declare on a Saturday? I just don't understand.

I hate Hillary, I think she is a moron and the idea of a woman running the country is bothersome to say the least. That said I would happy be to have Bill back in the white house.

Indeed, and specifically an outsider not planning to stay.
I could have told you the moment she started running for Senator in New York that this was her planned stepping stone to a presidential race.

Well, DUH!:D

... not unless some super natural miracle happens.

Like repeal of the 22nd Amendment?

If she's the nominee (which I have a horribly bad feeling in my stomach she will be) the Democrats aren't taking the White House in 2008. :mad:

... not unless some super natural miracle happens.

Okay, so this is the biggest surprise since the news that the sky is blue and that the earth revolves around the sun, but it is official (http://hillaryclinton.com). She has, to steal a phrase from Jon Stewart, thrown her hat into the ring next to the ring she would throw her hat into were she actually going to run for president.

Let me get this out front--she's not my favorite. She's not even close to the top of my list. But I do applaud her run, simply because I'm a believer that if you have a chance to be a groundbreaker, you have a duty to be one. Hillary is the first woman with a real chance to be a major party nominee, and she has to take it.

If it came to a knife fight, my money would be on Mrs Clinton...Shes a hard yoke....

You know, you've become really insufferable since you converted. My dislike for Hillary has nothing to do with her gender. I find her to be just a bit Machiavellian. To site the fact that she's a woman as your reason for not wanting her in the Whote House is juvenile -- to say the least.

I have a feeling that there is a hook in your mouth.

I hate Hillary, I think she is a moron and the idea of a woman running the country is bothersome to say the least. That said I would happy be to have Bill back in the white house.

You know, you've become really insufferable since you converted. My dislike for Hillary has nothing to do with her gender. I find her to be just a bit Machiavellian. To site the fact that she's a woman as your reason for not wanting her in the Whote House is juvenile -- to say the least.

You know, you've become really insufferable since you converted. My dislike for Hillary has nothing to do with her gender. I find her to be just a bit Machiavellian. To site the fact that she's a woman as your reason for not wanting her in the Whote House is juvenile -- to say the least.

In reality it is one of many reasons why I do not like her, though it is a reason. And I may still vote for her if only to get Bill back.

so a mexican, a black guy, and a woman walk into a presidential campaign....

you know, i think we need a jew to get to the punchline. damn you feingold, ruining everything.

Since I voted against her in the Senatorial elections I don't think I'll be casting a presidential vote her way anytime soon, meaning ever. I don't respond well to people when you send them a letter and get absolutely nothing in return. I mean Schumer at least sent a generic letter in reply. Hillary, nothing.

Politics suck.

The end.

I wonder if she'll fund her campaign with tax dollars again.

Seriously, though... do you guys think shes really qualified? What has she done?

Politics suck.

The end.

Then I doubt this is your kinda forum...

You know exactly what I mean when I say that, so stop being cynical.

*checks self for hypocracy*

Ok, good. :P

We're screwed...

so a mexican, a black guy, and a woman walk into a presidential campaign....

you know, i think we need a jew to get to the punchline. damn you feingold, ruining everything.
Maybe we can convince Joe-Mentum to do it again... :D

Maybe we can convince Joe-Mentum to do it again... :D

but it's not a sure thing that he could get the nomination even from his own political party, as its bylaws require that it's members be either named lieberman or be critics of joe.

If these are the only two people that the Democrats can come up with, then they will lose the White House in 2008.

Hillary- No one likes her.

Obama- Not enough experience and being in a Muslim school isn't going to help either.

but it's not a sure thing that he could get the nomination even from his own political party, as its bylaws require that it's members be either named lieberman or be critics of joe.

If you're willing to be bipartisan, you can throw in a Mormon instead.

Obama- Not enough experience and being in a Muslim school isn't going to help either.

Just because he went to school for two years as a child to a Muslim school (which was followed by two years of Catholic school), he's unfit to rule?

My God, why don't you stop even trying to be quaint about it? Refuse to use his real name and call him Barack Hussein Osama. :rolleyes:

Here's a shock: the man is not a Muslim! OMGWTFBBQ

Normally, I could care less about specific politicians, but the general misinformation about the man is infuriating and xenophobic.

She isn't the first female to go for it, Elizabeth Dole ran in 2000 for the Republican nod and there was a Black woman who tried to get the Democratic nod in '04. So what? She will loose or not get the nod.

Oh, my gosh, I never saw this one coming! :rolleyes:

Oh Shit... Not that crazy woman.

Okay, so this is the biggest surprise since the news that the sky is blue and that the earth revolves around the sun, but it is official (http://hillaryclinton.com). She has, to steal a phrase from Jon Stewart, thrown her hat into the ring next to the ring she would throw her hat into were she actually going to run for president.

Let me get this out front--she's not my favorite. She's not even close to the top of my list. But I do applaud her run, simply because I'm a believer that if you have a chance to be a groundbreaker, you have a duty to be one. Hillary is the first woman with a real chance to be a major party nominee, and she has to take it.

If she's as anti-videogames as I've heard, I wouldn't touch her ballot with a 10 foot pole or prodding device. Most people who aren't politicos probably know her as Bill Clinton's wife, and after the Lewinsky thing, who likes Clinton? So, she's probably not gonna make it.

Most people who aren't politicos probably know her as Bill Clinton's wife, and after the Lewinsky thing, who likes Clinton?

about 60% of the population
http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton1.htm

There's no way Hillary's going to win.

Ok, maybe there is... *sigh*

Does it contradict the definition of 'patriotic' to be such for a country which is not your own?
Yes. One can only be patriotic about one's own country. You can be Amero-philiac, a Francophile, etc, but you can't be "patriotic for America".

You know, you've become really insufferable since you converted.
Yes! Blame Islam! It's always Islam's fault. :rolleyes:

No, Soviestan is just a fool who happens to be Muslim.

Yes! Blame Islam! It's always Islam's fault. :rolleyes:

No, Soviestan is just a fool who happens to be Muslim.

Plus, he was a misogynist long before he converted. In fact, some think that's why he converted.

Soviestan's 'conversion' to Islam I think was a big NSG show.

DO NOT WANT. As much as I like Bill, Hillary is just....horrendous. If it were possible, I'd rather have Pelosi run than her any day of the week.

What's so great about Obama and why should any of us care what you think of our country?
Precisely the reason I am trying to convince you via favour bribes (i.e. dancing, free beers, personal letters, eating McDees, etc...). What is so great about Obama? You really wanna know?

Imagine having President B.O. Barackus (http://130.18.140.19/mmsoc/mr-t.jpg) in the office

Now think of the fun of Obama vs. Osama

In addition to all of this, unlike Hilary, he is not overtly batshit insane. He is the only genuinely 'likable' president the US has ever had in recent history since JFK. He has that Underdog thing going for him. His propaganda film on his website was very persuasive for not identifiable reason. Plus he doesn't look like a chimp. Furthermore, he doesn't seem to have any overt agenda (e.g. eliminating an 'under-race', waging his daddy's war, Nuking the world, passing himself law by decree, etc).

After all of that, his not undesirable policies are really irrelevant. You will never get a good president who is actually for the people. However, you can hope for one who is less shitty.

Rather than looking for reasons *to* vote for someone (which is futile, because there are infinite reasons, many of them lies, being touted all of the time), I think it is better to pick the person with the least amount of significant reasons *not to* vote for them. Plus, this way you are never really disappointed when they turn out to be self-serving corrupt shitbags.

Obama is great because Jon Stewart once said he was "great", and that makes it true. Just consider yourself lucky he's held himself back from declaring Disco as "back."
I find his pretension of being a "little people" unbearably obnoxious, and dearly hope to see Hillary squash him in the primaries simply to see the same group of losers who heralded the rise of Howard Dean get kicked in the teeth once again.
You favour Hilary over Obama due to issues pertaining to pretension and Obnoxiousness? :confused:

*cries*

my tummy hurts :(Did you get knocked up the river again?:(
I'm just playn witchu. But why's your stummybox broken?

Oh I am so surprised. The carpetbagger is running for president. Oh golly, what a shock.
Which is better.......the carpetbagger or the sandbagger?

Precisely the reason I am trying to convince you via favour bribes (i.e. dancing, free beers, personal letters, eating McDees, etc...). What is so great about Obama? You really wanna know?

Imagine having President B.O. Barackus (http://130.18.140.19/mmsoc/mr-t.jpg) in the office

Now think of the fun of Obama vs. Osama

In addition to all of this, unlike Hilary, he is not overtly batshit insane. He is the only genuinely 'likable' president the US has ever had in recent history since JFK. He has that Underdog thing going for him. His propaganda film on his website was very persuasive for not identifiable reason. Plus he doesn't look like a chimp. Furthermore, he doesn't seem to have any overt agenda (e.g. eliminating an 'under-race', waging his daddy's war, Nuking the world, passing himself law by decree, etc).

After all of that, his not undesirable policies are really irrelevant. You will never get a good president who is actually for the people. However, you can hope for one who is less shitty.

Rather than looking for reasons *to* vote for someone (which is futile, because there are infinite reasons, many of them lies, being touted all of the time), I think it is better to pick the person with the least amount of significant reasons *not to* vote for them. Plus, this way you are never really disappointed when they turn out to be self-serving corrupt shitbags.

TBH GPN, those really aren't issues.

Reasons to support Obama:

1) He wants to fight terror the smart way. Unlike all the idiot populists who are so entrenched in Washington D.C. that they'd rather pay lip service to protecting the U.S. than actually deal with terrorism rationally, he talks about eliminating Al Quaeda's money, and cutting funds out from under them, which is how a real war on a Guerilla group is fought.

2) He, unlike other candidates, has an attitude that will help to not only bring about a victory, but a realigning election, which will bring support back to being behind the Democratic party.

3) His degree is in Poli-Sci with a focus on Intl. Relations, which means that he actually knows how diplomacy works, and won't run around fucking up the world like one George W. Dumbshit.

4) On issues central to the Democratic party, he stands in the center of the party.

5) His charisma makes him a candidate who can win the election, unlike Hillary.

6) He isn't mired in the muck and grime of Washington, having only been there for four years.

7) He has a long history of fighting for civil rights, even when he was not a public servant.

8) He has a good track record on his side and has a great deal of momentum. Unlike John Edwards, who is coming off of a huge loss in 2004, Obama has a victory in 2004 behind him.

9) He hasn't been the favorite target of Righty pundits for the last eight years.

I hate Hillary, I think she is a moron and the idea of a woman running the country is bothersome to say the least. That said I would happy be to have Bill back in the white house.

The fact that you're against it almost makes me support her.

Here is a chance for America to overcome a couple of "isms", in one sweeping gesture. :D

Here is a chance for America to overcome a couple of "isms", in one sweeping gesture. :D

I can think of some more apart from racism and sexism...

Here is a chance for America to overcome a couple of "isms", in one sweeping gesture. :D

No offense, but I wish you wouldn't poison my Barack Obama with your Hillary Clinton. Just because she has an X and a Y chromosome is no reason to support her Presidential aspirations. She's also far too Populist to be a good President, and she will depress the Professional Left and Left Independant votes.

TBH GPN, those really aren't issues.

Reasons to support Obama:

1) He wants to fight terror the smart way. Unlike all the idiot populists who are so entrenched in Washington D.C. that they'd rather pay lip service to protecting the U.S. than actually deal with terrorism rationally, he talks about eliminating Al Quaeda's money, and cutting funds out from under them, which is how a real war on a Guerilla group is fought.

2) He, unlike other candidates, has an attitude that will help to not only bring about a victory, but a realigning election, which will bring support back to being behind the Democratic party.

3) His degree is in Poli-Sci with a focus on Intl. Relations, which means that he actually knows how diplomacy works, and won't run around fucking up the world like one George W. Dumbshit.

4) On issues central to the Democratic party, he stands in the center of the party.

5) His charisma makes him a candidate who can win the election, unlike Hillary.

6) He isn't mired in the muck and grime of Washington, having only been there for four years.

7) He has a long history of fighting for civil rights, even when he was not a public servant.

8) He has a good track record on his side and has a great deal of momentum. Unlike John Edwards, who is coming off of a huge loss in 2004, Obama has a victory in 2004 behind him.

9) He hasn't been the favorite target of Righty pundits for the last eight years.
Ah yes, all of that stuff too. As I said, nothing totally idiotic.

To be absolutely serious, though, the biggest thing that influenced me was that he has spent significant periods of time living abroad growing up. That kind of thing gives a man a kind of open mindedness you just can't source from Texas alone. For some reason, I think it is healthy for the leader of the worlds largest military/economic power to have a slightly larger than average worldview. It just upsets me that the current Pres didn't have a passport until he was the president.

A perfect example of the benefits of such a background would be his time in muslim Indonesia (at that time and still today a very moderate muslim country, though increasingly less so due to isolating attitudes not at all soothed by Bush's brand of the war on Terror). In todays climate having an understanding of muslim culture and society is invaluable for a leader of a country struggling with it. Furthermore, having childhood friends who are muslim is invaluable as a kind of pre-eminent bridge between cultures.

Plus his "There is only the United states of America" Speech was pretty cool.

You favour Hilary over Obama due to issues pertaining to pretension and Obnoxiousness? :confused:
Hillary's just a good old-fashioned populist member of the elite, and I can live with that because it makes her a known quantity.
On the other hand, Obama wants to pass himself off as the "skinny kid who made good in the big city" and that image has nothing of substance behind it.
Plus, Obama so totally can't pull off the Ahmadinejad-look, without the facial hair and facial complexion it just makes him look like a dork.

Plus, Obama so totally can't pull off the Ahmadinejad-look, without the facial hair

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/bushgreenfield.jpg

Yes! Blame Islam! It's always Islam's fault. :rolleyes:

No, Soviestan is just a fool who happens to be Muslim.

How dare you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wasn't blaming Islam, you idiot, I was blaming him!!!!!!!!!:upyours:

Hillary's just a good old-fashioned populist member of the elite, and I can live with that because it makes her a known quantity.
On the other hand, Obama wants to pass himself off as the "skinny kid who made good in the big city" and that image has nothing of substance behind it.
Plus, Obama so totally can't pull off the Ahmadinejad-look, without the facial hair and facial complexion it just makes him look like a dork.
Heh heh.
You're Australian, right? :D
We seem to be supporting the opposite cantidates for the same kind of reasons. You know, like people who aren't actually able to vote, or directly affected (or even concerned) with the results thereof.

Yes! Blame Islam! It's always Islam's fault. :rolleyes:

No, Soviestan is just a fool who happens to be Muslim.
Actually there seems to be a direct inverse relation between Soviestan's Coolness and his Islaminity. He was a really cool, abrupt, cynical, brash, and witty poster who loved to shoot idiot posters out of the sky. Then he converted and started spouting mysogynistic and anti-semitic crap. It was really disappointing. Almost unbelievable. I actually suspect his account was hacked or something, because the 'new' soviestan doesn't have any identifiable similarities in writing style, content, or area of interest as the old one.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/bushgreenfield.jpg
I doubt that anyone expects the Great and Mighty Wearer of Flight Suits to look like anything else but a huge knob by now.
Although did everyone in the background have to be squinting directly into the sun when that picture is taken? No wonder Condi can't get a man.

Heh heh.
You're Australian, right?
Nein, ich bin Amerikaner.
I've just given up on the idea of finding "good" leaders, and so I go for whatever seems most personally satisfying/entertaining at the moment.

If I were American, I'd vote for Brian Mulroney. *nod*

No offense, but I wish you wouldn't poison my Barack Obama with your Hillary Clinton. Just because she has an X and a Y chromosome is no reason to support her Presidential aspirations. She's also far too Populist to be a good President, and she will depress the Professional Left and Left Independant votes.

She will? Are you assuming that if she ran she would loose and the republicans may win if they pick a ok canidate that isn't condi?

She will? Are you assuming that if she ran she would loose and the republicans may win if they pick a ok canidate that isn't condi?

Yes, she will. The Professional Left has no time for populists, so unless the 'Pubs nominate McCain or Romney, many may choose not to vote. The Independant left has been hearing bullshit from the Righty pundits that'll depress their vote (thereby killing Hillary).

If the 'Pubs run Giulliani against her, Hillary is hosed.

Yes, she will. The Professional Left has no time for populists, so unless the 'Pubs nominate McCain or Romney, many may choose not to vote. The Independant left has been hearing bullshit from the Righty pundits that'll depress their vote (thereby killing Hillary).

If the 'Pubs run Giulliani against her, Hillary is hosed.


You just changed my mind! I was against Hilary, now I want her to run! Giulliani maybe ok. GO HILARY!

the idea of a woman running the country is bothersome to say the least.

Ah, misogyny. Soooo sixth century.

Politics suck.

The end.

You win the thread.

Actually there seems to be a direct inverse relation between Soviestan's Coolness and his Islaminity. He was a really cool, abrupt, cynical, brash, and witty poster who loved to shoot idiot posters out of the sky. Then he converted and started spouting mysogynistic and anti-semitic crap. It was really disappointing. Almost unbelievable. I actually suspect his account was hacked or something, because the 'new' soviestan doesn't have any identifiable similarities in writing style, content, or area of interest as the old one.

Maybe his account got haxored?

Ah, misogyny. Soooo sixth century.


Just a sexist. Too bad.