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Donald Trump has a 25 foot by 15 foot flag on a resort of his in Florida. The flag is on an 80-foot pole and the local government has said it has to be taken down because it violates zoning codes. Trump refuses to pay the $1250/day fine.

I think he's being dumb and doesn't really need that big of a flag, but I'll still support him. There is no reason he shouldn't be allowed to do that...

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070119/ap_en_ce/people_trump_flag_dispute)

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Officials in the ritzy coastal town of Palm Beach have voted to fine Donald Trump $1,250 a day for flying a large American flag atop an 80-foot flagpole at his lavish club in violation of town codes.

Code enforcement officials have accused the 60-year-old real-estate mogul of violating zoning guidelines with a flagpole taller than 42 feet, for not obtaining a building permit, and for not getting permission from the landmarks board.

Trump has refused to take down the flag. He has also filed a $25 million lawsuit against the town arguing, in part, that officials are selectively enforcing ordinances and that flying the American flag at his Mar-A-Lago club is a constitutionally protected expression of free speech.

"The town council of Palm Beach should be ashamed of itself," Trump said Thursday in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "They're fining me for putting up the American flag. This is probably a first in United States history."

Trump's club hoisted the 15-by-25-foot flag atop the 80-foot pole at the sprawling waterfront site on Oct 3. The town had given him until Nov. 27 to remove the flag or apply for approvals.

"I think Mr. Trump, the property owner, picked this fight. I think he's been provocative," said Martin Fried, a member of the town's Code Enforcement Board.

Officials voted Thursday to fine Trump.

Trump said he wouldn't pay any fines and would keep the flag flying.

"It's all up in the court," he said. "It'll be a long time, unfortunately."

Asshole.

He could save blind kittens from a burning nunnery, and I'd still think he was an asshole.

I know little of Trump, save that he is a very rich asshole. And what more does one need to know, really.....

I loved this: "They're fining me for putting up the American flag. This is probably a first in United States history." No, Donald, they're fining you for putting up an 80-foot flag pole where the zoning regulations say you can only have one that's 42 feet tall. But the Donald's always has to be be bigger. Asshole.

He violated zoning rules. This isn't a free-speech issue, as he can fly it all he wants with the proper permits. He just seems to think he is above getting said permits.

He violated zoning rules. This isn't a free-speech issue, as he can fly it all he wants with the proper permits. He just seems to think he is above getting said permits.

Reminds me of Leona Helmsley, if it was she, who said, "Laws are for little people."

I keep getting this mental image:

Trump: *hoists ginormous flag*

City: Hey, you! ... Stop that!

Trump: Hey, shut up! I love my ginormous flag. It's so big.

City: We'll... we'll fine you!

Trump: Lalala! I can't hear you! *dances below the flag, soaking up the publicity* Must be because my ears are so full of freedom.

For some reason, I find this hilarious.

I keep getting a mental image of Trump being FINED 25 million dollars, and having to supply 80 foot tall flagpolls and huge flags to every house in Florida.

As long his 80ft flagpole has an 80ft radius separating it from anyone else's property then I don't have a problem with this.

Zoning rules are okay when they are there to stop your neighbour's 80ft flagpole falling onto your garage, but often what is prohibited has nothing to do with safety, and in those cases I think these kind of decisions can be unnecessarily authoritarian.

WHo the hell needs an 80ft flag anyway? It is just to say 'waaaa! I'm more patriotic than yoo!'?

Someone's overcompensating for a small penis, imo.

Dont you know? Trump has an artificial penis. They say its so large he keeps it on the yard and uses it as a flagpole.

EDIT:
Lets to the timewarp again, just like we did...ummm...well...I think it was last summer...but it might have been...will be...Ahh FUCK.

he's fighting for FREEDOM.

maybe he'll join that guy holed up in his house in new hampshire. it would give the rest of us a break.

But if you don't have huge flags on massive flagpoles, the terrorists win!

Someone's overcompensating for a small penis, imo.

As long his 80ft flagpole has an 80ft radius separating it from anyone else's property then I don't have a problem with this.

Zoning rules are okay when they are there to stop your neighbour's 80ft flagpole falling onto your garage, but often what is prohibited has nothing to do with safety, and in those cases I think these kind of decisions can be unnecessarily authoritarian.
Then get the zoning rule repealed or apply for a variance. If you're not willing to do that, then take the pole down and shut up. You think that in Florida Donald Trump wouldn't be able to get a friggin' zoning variance so he can fly a flag? He has people for that!

WHo the hell needs an 80ft flag anyway? It is just to say 'waaaa! I'm more patriotic than yoo!'?
The flag's only 25 feet, it's Donald's Pole that's got people annoyed.

Bah. Fuck Trump.

If he owns the land 80 feet in every direction from the pole let him keep it. If not let him buy the land he needs.

I wonder if he asked the neighbours if they wanted to see a big ugly flag every morning which no doubt ruins the whole areas image (at least I think that’s why he’s not allowed it)

Either way flag wavers don’t have the highest respect from me let alone some millionaire penis who is having a end-life crisis

Much as I hate homeowner associations and this particular kind of zoning law, I can't get too worked up over Trump's complaint, largely because most of those proscriptive zoning laws and the like are made precisely to "protect" the exorbitant property values of those like Trump.

I wonder if he asked the neighbours if they wanted to see a big ugly flag every morning which no doubt ruins the whole areas image (at least I think that’s why he’s not allowed it)

Either way flag wavers don’t have the highest respect from me let alone some millionaire penis who is having a end-life crisis

Hey, the US flag isnt that bad. At least we arent, say, Uganda.

He could probably fly the flag every day for the rest of his life and still have no trouble paying the fine. Seriously, what's it going to cost him? 20 million at the most?

You know, if Trump really wants to piss them off, he can't use just any flag.

He needs the SuperFlag (http://www.superflag.com/).

http://www.worldfamousart.com/Sept11-02/3over.jpg

http://www.superflag.com/pics99/flgdy99.jpg

http://www.superflag.com/images/hoover.gif

http://www.superflag.com/images/allstar1.gif

http://www.superflag.com/images/dam.gif

:eek:

Hey, the US flag isnt that bad. At least we arent, say, Uganda.

what’s wrong with a funky king war Chicken :mad:

And throwing stars in a random corner isn’t artistic or representative of a nation (never mind the British flag though that is so anal it has a right way round)

And if Oprah Winfrey did it most of you people would probably be boo-hooing on her behalf.

Probably, but geez, I mean...It's Oprah!

I think that's a bunch of garbage. A while back their were a few communities, in Florida, that dictated to the homeowners that they weren't allowed to to fly an American Flag. Well, President Bush said that if you want to fly the flag, by all means, fly the flag. I think the American Flag is a wonderful Flag, by all means, You Go Trump, Fly the Flag.

And if Oprah Winfrey did it most of you people would probably be boo-hooing on her behalf.

I didn't think the time warps had gotten that bad that some of us are slipping into alternate timelines.

First his skyscraper fetish and now he has to have an 80 foot flagpole? Sounds like he's compensating for something... ;)

And if Oprah Winfrey did it most of you people would probably be boo-hooing on her behalf.

I think you make a good point, I'm sure most would.

He needs the SuperFlag (http://www.superflag.com/).

In one pic its touching the floor! we must burn it for are children’s sakes

And if Oprah Winfrey did it most of you people would probably be boo-hooing on her behalf.

Crikey. That huge American flag sort of saddens me. Good effort on the size, but the pattern isn't so good.

Couldn't you have a nicer-looking flag, like a Canadian one, but in, say, teal, and instead of a maple leaf, have one of your cars on it, or something?

Now that would be better.

You Go Trump, Fly the Flag.

would you be saying that if he chose to draw a nice little swastika on it? (if anyone mentions a certain war they will be sucked down an air vent!)

And if Oprah Winfrey did it most of you people would probably be boo-hooing on her behalf.

No, Oprah Winfrey isn't above the law either. If she wants to put up an 80 ft. flagpole and fly a huge flag, she needs the proper permits, just like anyone else.

I do believe their are laws protecting the flying of an American Flag too. Which in itself is sad, why would we need laws protecting the rights to fly the American Flag? Because of the idiots in charge of code enforcements, them bastards...:mad:

I have a flag flying on a flag pole next to my drive way. Fortunately, my county code enforcement don't challenge me. :D

would you be saying that if he chose to draw a nice little swastika on it? (if anyone mentions a certain war they will be sucked down an air vent!)
Oh, you mean the Winter War in Finland?

Controversial issues right thar. Plus it sadly ruined their swastika, as well as the rest of Scandinavia's, by association :(


*edits*

Jesus Effing Christ, what is Jolt doing to everyone's posts?

No, Oprah Winfrey isn't above the law either. If she wants to put up an 80 ft. flagpole and fly a huge flag, she needs the proper permits, just like anyone else.

Speaking technically, that is correct, but not the point I was making.

Look at some of the posts. People want to beat up on Trump in this case because he's Trump, not because they care one way or another about the laws, politics or whether the American flag is pretty.

I mean honestly:
Asshole.

He could save blind kittens from a burning nunnery, and I'd still think he was an asshole.

I think that's a bunch of garbage. A while back their were a few communities, in Florida, that dictated to the homeowners that they weren't allowed to to fly an American Flag. Well, President Bush said that if you want to fly the flag, by all means, fly the flag. I think the American Flag is a wonderful Flag, by all means, You Go Trump, Fly the Flag.
Nobody cares about the flag, it's the 80ft flagpole it's flying from that's the problem.
I think you make a good point, I'm sure most would.
I really don't see how we'd consider Oprah Winfrey less of an asshole for doing this than Donald Trump
Speaking technically, that is correct, but not the point I was making.

I mean, look at some of the posts. People want to beat up on Trump in this case because he's Trump, not because they care one way or another about the laws, politics or whether the American flag is pretty.

I mean honestly:
He's being an asshole and desperately trying to get some publicity by trying to act patriotic.

would you be saying that if he chose to draw a nice little swastika on it? (if anyone mentions a certain war they will be sucked down an air vent!)

Well, the fact is, he didn't. He chose to fly the American Flag. So, why bring up the swastika for? He didn't deface the flag by putting that symbol on it.

Well, the fact is, he didn't. He chose to fly the American Flag. So, why bring up the swastika for? He didn't deface the flag by putting that symbol on it.
So only certain flags are OK?

Nobody cares about the flag, it's the 80ft flagpole it's flying from that's the problem.

-snip-

He needs a suitable size flag pole to fly a flag of that size...If he wants to fly a 40 x 100' flag then He should be allowed.

I really don't see how we'd consider Oprah Winfrey less of an asshole for doing this than Donald Trump

He's being an asshole and desperately trying to get some publicity by trying to act patriotic.

Oh, and you base that on what? (Other than your simple dislike for him.)

So only certain flags are OK?

In a lot of neighborhoods and communities...Yes. The code enforcement forces codes who the local officials claim and sometimes they have pretty dictating codes passed. Example: one homeowner had a Manatee Mailbox and they were forced to take it down because it was different from everybody elses. A lot of the Officials have passed bans on flying of banners. Some allow you to fly a banner for a short period of time then take it down. It all depends on the neighborhood you live in to what codes you should follow.

Oh, you mean the Winter War in Finland?

sucking noise begins to emit from air vent

SNIP

what’s with the flag obsession, you do know its a piece of cotton right? (out of interest if you saw a flag on fire would you stamp it out?)

In a lot of neighborhoods and communities...Yes.

that doesn't actually explain what you think though does it

edit: I was hoping this would time warp so my double post doesn't look as bad :(

In a lot of neighborhoods and communities...Yes. The code enforcement forces codes who the local officials claim and sometimes they have pretty dictating codes passed. Example: one homeowner had a Manatee Mailbox and they were forced to take it down because it was different from everybody elses. A lot of the Officials have passed bans on flying of banners. Some allow you to fly a banner for a short period of time then take it down. It all depends on the neighborhood you live in to what codes you should follow.
In your own personal opinion, though - should only the US flag be allowed to fly?

that doesn't actually explain what you think though does it

edit: I was hoping this would time warp so my double post doesn't look as bad :(

I was answering Yootopia's inquiry about other flags...when I answered about the "neighborhoods and communities...Yes"...

as for my "obsession" to what you call just cotton...It's our History, Present, and Future...our ancestors died for that flag...It all amounts to respect...Damn straight I love that Flag...I have a large American Flag in my bedroom hanging over the window and also one flying out front of my house on a flag pole. I also, have a tatoo of a soaring bald eagle carrying the American Flag on my upper left arm...I also have a couple of pins one is on my hat that's a waving flag and the other is pinned on my shirt in the middle of a yellow ribbon...You may call it "obsession" I call it Love and Respect.

He needs a suitable size flag pole to fly a flag of that size...If he wants to fly a 40 x 100' flag then He should be allowed.
Well then he can get whatever description of permeit is required to have such a ridiculously enormous flagpole and fly his ridiculously enormous flag from it.
Oh, and you base that on what? (Other than your simple dislike for him.)
Why else would he fly a huge flag in his garden, if not in an attempt to look patriotic?

And this pretty much is the reason I don't like him, because all I know is he's rich and has hair similar to that of a Orangutan.

I was answering Yootopia's inquiry about other flags...when I answered about the "neighborhoods and communities...Yes"...

as for my "obsession" to what you call just cotton...It's our History, Present, and Future...our ancestors died for that flag...It all amounts to respect...Damn straight I love that Flag...I have a large American Flag in my bedroom hanging over the window and also one flying out front of my house on a flag pole. I also, have a tatoo of a soaring bald eagle carrying the American Flag on my upper left arm...I also have a couple of pins one is on my hat that's a waving flag and the other is pinned on my shirt in the middle of a yellow ribbon...You may call it "obsession" I call it Love and Respect.
That's obsessive-cumpulsive alright!

In your own personal opinion, though - should only the US flag be allowed to fly?

I personally do not have any problems with somebody flying any flag...whether you're a Canadian who happens to own a home here in Florida (a lot do) and they want to fly the Canadian Flag then so be it. No problems, Like I say it's Love and Respect.

I was answering Yootopia's inquiry about other flags...when I answered about the "neighborhoods and communities...Yes"...

as for my "obsession" to what you call just cotton...It's our History, Present, and Future...our ancestors died for that flag...It all amounts to respect...Damn straight I love that Flag...I have a large American Flag in my bedroom hanging over the window and also one flying out front of my house on a flag pole. I also, have a tatoo of a soaring bald eagle carrying the American Flag on my upper left arm...I also have a couple of pins one is on my hat that's a waving flag and the other is pinned on my shirt in the middle of a yellow ribbon...You may call it "obsession" I call it Love and Respect.

I wonder what Americans died for before they designed that flag?

And if Oprah Winfrey did it most of you people would probably be boo-hooing on her behalf.
Probably not, actually. You know, just because you and yours are hypocritical doesn't mean everyone is. :rolleyes:

Oh, and you base that on what? (Other than your simple dislike for him.)

The fact that he obviously considers himself above the law and then whines, "I'M JUST BEING PATRIOTIC!" when the attempt is made to enforce the law?

I was answering Yootopia's inquiry about other flags...when I answered about the "neighborhoods and communities...Yes"...

as for my "obsession" to what you call just cotton...It's our History, Present, and Future...our ancestors died for that flag...It all amounts to respect...Damn straight I love that Flag...I have a large American Flag in my bedroom hanging over the window and also one flying out front of my house on a flag pole. I also, have a tatoo of a soaring bald eagle carrying the American Flag on my upper left arm...I also have a couple of pins one is on my hat that's a waving flag and the other is pinned on my shirt in the middle of a yellow ribbon...You may call it "obsession" I call it Love and Respect.

YEAH! :cool:

I was answering Yootopia's inquiry about other flags...when I answered about the "neighborhoods and communities...Yes"...

as for my "obsession" to what you call just cotton...It's our History, Present, and Future...our ancestors died for that flag...It all amounts to respect...Damn straight I love that Flag...I have a large American Flag in my bedroom hanging over the window and also one flying out front of my house on a flag pole. I also, have a tatoo of a soaring bald eagle carrying the American Flag on my upper left arm...I also have a couple of pins one is on my hat that's a waving flag and the other is pinned on my shirt in the middle of a yellow ribbon...You may call it "obsession" I call it Love and Respect.
I call it disrespect--most of those examples are in violation of the flag code.

The fact that he obviously considers himself above the law and then whines, "I'M JUST BEING PATRIOTIC!" when the attempt is made to enforce the law?

Thanks for the input but I was specifically asking Ifreann

I was answering Yootopia's inquiry about other flags...when I answered about the "neighborhoods and communities...Yes"...

as for my "obsession" to what you call just cotton...It's our History, Present, and Future...our ancestors died for that flag...It all amounts to respect...Damn straight I love that Flag...I have a large American Flag in my bedroom hanging over the window and also one flying out front of my house on a flag pole. I also, have a tatoo of a soaring bald eagle carrying the American Flag on my upper left arm...I also have a couple of pins one is on my hat that's a waving flag and the other is pinned on my shirt in the middle of a yellow ribbon...You may call it "obsession" I call it Love and Respect.

Can't.....resist.........

AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!


Durka Durka Durka. Muhammed Jihad. Matt Damon.

as for my "obsession" to what you call just cotton...It's our History, Present, and Future

shouldn't that be children? (and is boasting about your nations past ever a good thing considering every nation on Earth is essentially a massive prick)

...our ancestors died for that flag

I thought they died for America

You may call it "obsession" I call it Love and Respect.

nationalism makes my stomach churn to be honest

I call it disrespect--most of those examples are in violation of the flag code.

You can call it whatever the Fuck you want.

Why else would he fly a huge flag in his garden, if not in an attempt to look patriotic?

And this pretty much is the reason I don't like him, because all I know is he's rich and has hair similar to that of a Orangutan.

But you characterize it as nothing more than a publicity stunt. Based on what? Yuo say that all you know is he's rich and you don't like his hair. Are you making a judgement on that basis alone?

The reason I'm making an issue of this is that I see a lot of meaningless opinions based on nothing, which are essentially clogging up the debate. If you don't think he should fly the flag because it's against zoning laws, great. If you think he's being patriotic and deserves support, fine.

But when people come on here and basically argue that he can't have a flag because he's an asshole, and then expect the rest of us to take that seriously, I find it annoying.

Maybe is is an asshole. Doesn't stop him from being patriotic. Maybe he's not patriotic, either, but how would we know? And hence my statement: If anyone else did it, like Oprah, for example, people would be much more likely to give the benefit of the doubt that it migh, just might, be partiotism.

But when it's Donald Trump... Well, there you are.

I call it disrespect--most of those examples are in violation of the flag code.

Which part is in violation?

The flag on my flag pole is very much in the flag code if you are referring to my tatoo and pins your just an idiot considering they are not a real flag. Real flags are made of cloth my tatoo is ink (not a real flag, more of a decoration) my two pins again are not cloth and are NOT a real flag, they are metal (more of a decoration) The Flag hanging in my room is a Real Flag it even has neat little leather that can go on hooks that flag is in NO Way defaced or filled with holes. So I ask again which part is in violation of the flag code?

Okay the only one in violation would be the one over my window. So, when I go home I'll remove it from my window and will have it hang somewheres where it'll be free hanging and have no interferences. Better yet, I'll be buying a flag pole that belongs on the inside and have it in put in my living room.

Nazz, do you even own an American Flag? I doubt it but what do I know...

Which part is in violation?

The flag on my flag pole is very much in the flag code if you are referring to my tatoo and pins your just an idiot considering they are not a real flag. Real flags are made of cloth my tatoo is ink (not a real flag, more of a decoration) my two pins again are not cloth and are NOT a real flag, they are metal (more of a decoration) The Flag hanging in my room is a Real Flag it even has neat little leather that can go on hooks that flag is in NO Way defaced or filled with holes. So I ask again which part is in violation of the flag code?

Let me begin by saying that you're talking out of both sides of your mouth--you brag about all the different kinds of flag you have, but when challenged, say that they're not real flags and so don't count. But whatever.

Section 176 (d) says a flag shall never be used as wearing apparel--the pins count as that, and if I stretched, the tattoo as well. And I would certainly claim that using the flag as a curtain would count as drapery, covered in the same section.

So what do you have to say for yourself now, mister superpatriot?

Okay the only one in violation would be the one over my window. So, when I go home I'll remove it from my window and will have it hang somewheres where it'll be free hanging and have no interferences. Better yet, I'll be buying a flag pole that belongs on the inside and have it in put in my living room.

Nazz, do you even own an American Flag? I doubt it but what do I know...
Would you believe me if I said I did? I'm not the one pretending to be uber-patriotic here, though I absolutely believe that I have a far greater appreciation for the principles found in the Constitution than you do. So what's more important--respect for the Constitution or festooning every bit of your pathetic life with flags? I know what's more important to me.

Let me begin by saying that you're talking out of both sides of your mouth--you brag about all the different kinds of flag you have, but when challenged, say that they're not real flags and so don't count. But whatever.

Section 176 (d) says a flag shall never be used as wearing apparel--the pins count as that, and if I stretched, the tattoo as well. And I would certainly claim that using the flag as a curtain would count as drapery, covered in the same section.

So what do you have to say for yourself now, mister superpatriot?

What do I have to say? That you definately need to check your facts...

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

http://www.bcpl.net/~etowner/flagcode.html

By the way, I wasn't bragging. I was simply informing an inquiry to "why the 'obsession'" so I answered truthfully. I have a lot of Love and Respect for my Country and my Flag no matter what you blabber about how disrespectful I am, then again, We are in America, and your entitled to your opinion. More power to you.

His "hair" hypnotizes you. Don't look directly at it!

What do I have to say? That you definately need to check your facts...

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

http://www.bcpl.net/~etowner/flagcode.html

I put the lapel pins in with the flag patches and didn't know if you qualified to wear one--I assumed you didn't. But that doesn't excuse the one on your hat.

And if you think being in full agreement with the Flag Code makes you a better American once this is done, all I can say is that you've got a fucked up sense of what it means to be an American in the first place.

Would you believe me if I said I did? I'm not the one pretending to be uber-patriotic here, though I absolutely believe that I have a far greater appreciation for the principles found in the Constitution than you do. So what's more important--respect for the Constitution or festooning every bit of your pathetic life with flags? I know what's more important to me.

I only have one word for you which I'm sure your low life...never mind I'm not going to stoop to your low life level...

I put the lapel pins in with the flag patches and didn't know if you qualified to wear one--I assumed you didn't. But that doesn't excuse the one on your hat.

And if you think being in full agreement with the Flag Code makes you a better American once this is done, all I can say is that you've got a fucked up sense of what it means to be an American in the first place.

Say what the Fuck you want. By your definitions I'd have be a fucking asshole such as your low life self to be an American. Go To Hell. :upyours:

Yes, actually there is a reason for him to take it down. Zoning laws.

Say what the Fuck you want. By your definitions I'd have be a fucking asshole such as your low life self to be an American. Go To Hell. :upyours:

Convinent how you're both an asshole and an american. It just fits so nicely with his definitions.

Say what the Fuck you want. By your definitions I'd have be a fucking asshole such as your low life self to be an American. Go To Hell. :upyours:

*offers Chill Pill*
Chillax yourself.

Speaking technically, that is correct, but not the point I was making.

Look at some of the posts. People want to beat up on Trump in this case because he's Trump, not because they care one way or another about the laws, politics or whether the American flag is pretty.

I mean honestly:

you must mean rosie odonnell. there is no logical reason to assume someone would support the right of one random rich person to flout the law and diss another rich person for the same thing unless there were some conflict between them.

*offers Chill Pill*
Chillax yourself.

I'm chilled now...logged off for a few minutes. I'm okay now. I guess, I'll just be more careful on stating my Love and Respect for my County and Flag. I didn't expect it to cause an uproar, and I don't feel I need to defend myself as a Patriot.

I'm chilled now...logged off for a few minutes. I'm okay now. I guess, I'll just be more careful on stating my Love and Respect for my County and Flag. I didn't expect it to cause an uproar, and I don't feel I need to defend myself as a Patriot.

You just flamed someone into oblivion, and prooved every single steoreotype he made. Patriots try to avoid making their country look like a bunch of asshats. I think you might need to defend yourself for not being a patriot.

Why should it matter to his neighbors if he flies a flag if they do not want to see it tell them to close their eyes.

So...If I have a head in a jar of formaldehyde in my window, you should shut your eyes?

He's right. It's his property and he has the right to fly any size flag he wants as long as it's safe.

But he's still an asshole. ;)

I wonder if he asked the neighbours if they wanted to see a big ugly flag every morning which no doubt ruins the whole areas image (at least I think that’s why he’s not allowed it)

Either way flag wavers don’t have the highest respect from me let alone some millionaire penis who is having a end-life crisis

Why should it matter to his neighbors if he flies a flag if they do not want to see it tell them to close their eyes.

I know little of Trump, save that he is a very rich asshole. And what more does one need to know, really.....
I know little of Oprah, save that she is black. And what more does one need to know, really.....

Prejudiced much? :rolleyes:

Why should it matter to his neighbors if he flies a flag if they do not want to see it tell them to close their eyes.

Its called scenery its the reason why allot of countries only have white houses

Ties in with housing desirability, the original building code they agreed to when they brought the properties, eyesores and above all that the logic behind that allows me to have a giant pair of knockers on my roof

I know little of Oprah, save that she is black. And what more does one need to know, really.....

Prejudiced much? :rolleyes:


No. "Rich Asshole" is enough not to like someone. In fact, just "asshole" is.

In fact, just "asshole" is.
Precisely.

Its called scenery its the reason why allot of countries only have white housesSounds fascinating. Could you name a few? I'd like to google some pictures and see what that looks like...

Sounds fascinating. Could you name a few? I'd like to google some pictures and see what that looks like...

lanzarote, Malta most of the med and everywhere else that is that kind of tourism really (having supplies of marble and chalk help too)

I wonder what Americans died for before they designed that flag?

Actually the flag was designed as a symbol for what they were and had been fighting for.


On June 14, 1777, in order to establish an official flag for the new nation, the Continental Congress passed the first Flag Act: "Resolved, That the flag of the United States be made of thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new Constellation."


When two new States were admitted to the Union (Kentucky and Vermont), a resolution was adopted in January of 1794, expanding the flag to 15 stars and 15 stripes.

This flag was the official flag of our country from 1795 to 1818, and was prominent in many historic events. It inspired Francis Scott Key to write "The Star-Spangled Banner" during the bombardment of Fort McHenry; it was the first flag to be flown over a fortress of the Old World when American Marine and Naval forces raised it above the pirate stronghold in Tripoli on April 27, 1805; it was the ensign of American forces in the Battle of Lake Erie in September of 1813; and it was flown by General Jackson in New Orleans in January of 1815.

However, realizing that the flag would become unwieldy with a stripe for each new State, Capt. Samuel C. Reid, USN, suggested to Congress that the stripes remain 13 in number to represent the Thirteen Colonies, and that a star be added to the blue field for each new State coming into the Union.

Accordingly, on April 4, 1818, President Monroe accepted a bill requiring that the flag of the United States have a union of 20 stars, white on a blue field, and that upon admission of each new State into the Union one star be added to the union of the flag on the fourth of July following its date of admission. The 13 alternating red and white stripes would remain unchanged. This act succeeded in prescribing the basic design of the flag, while assuring that the growth of the nation would be properly symbolized.

Today the flag consists of thirteen horizontal stripes, seven red alternating
with 6 white. The stripes represent the original 13 colonies, the stars
represent the 50 states of the Union. The colors of the flag are symbolic as
well; red symbolizes Hardiness and Valor; White symbolizes Purity and
Innocence and Blue represents Vigilance, Perseverance and Justice.


Does that help?

Well then tell them to enforce on everyone or shut up. Because you can go just about anywhere and see violations of Building code. Oh so many of which are never enforced.

and people aren’t too bothered about them but to be honest if I woke up everyday to see the Union jack I would get pretty annoyed fairly quickly and complain

Its called scenery its the reason why allot of countries only have white houses

Ties in with housing desirability, the original building code they agreed to when they brought the properties, eyesores and above all that the logic behind that allows me to have a giant pair of knockers on my roof

Well then tell them to enforce on everyone or shut up. Because you can go just about anywhere and see violations of Building code. Oh so many of which are never enforced.

and people aren’t too bothered about them but to be honest if I woke up everyday to see the Union jack I would get pretty annoyed fairly quickly and complain


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Not to say your not allowed to get annoyed......but why should your not wanting to see the Union Jack come before the guy who wants to see it? If it is his property why should you be allowed to tell him take it down? Maybe he gets annoyed not seeing it?

Not to say your not allowed to get annoyed......but why should your not wanting to see the Union Jack come before the guy who wants to see it? If it is his property why should you be allowed to tell him take it down? Maybe he gets annoyed not seeing it?

because its something he is doing in public not the privacy of his own home also because a flag can be a very offensive/mood killing thing

Donald Trump has a 25 foot by 15 foot flag on a resort of his in Florida. The flag is on an 80-foot pole and the local government has said it has to be taken down because it violates zoning codes. Trump refuses to pay the $1250/day fine.

I think he's being dumb and doesn't really need that big of a flag, but I'll still support him. There is no reason he shouldn't be allowed to do that...

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070119/ap_en_ce/people_trump_flag_dispute)

I'm as patriotic as the next person, but he is breaking the law. He can put up a smaller flag that is more in proportion to the flagpole and which does not violate the codes.

I'd love to see him thrown in jail for refusing to pay the fine.

He needs a suitable size flag pole to fly a flag of that size...If he wants to fly a 40 x 100' flag then He should be allowed.

FYI, Trump is not actually YHVH.

because its something he is doing in public not the privacy of his own home also because a flag can be a very offensive/mood killing thing

well technically it is not in public if it is your property.... that is still "private property" not public domain....there is a fine line.

For everyone who was too damn lazy to read the OP, the flag is not in violation of the zoning laws. The pole is, being almost twice the allowed size.

I'm guessing that Trump is trying to avoid paying the fine because he doesn't actually have the money. He's amazingly far in debt, but there's some reason or another why what he owes can't be collected.