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Apparently he was schooled for four years at a Muslim school in Indonesia. His dad at the time was Muslim too so I don't see it being a big deal.

Fox News is trying to make it sound like this means he can't possibly be president, or that it will really, really damage he rep. Not being American, I ask you, how heavily will this influence he chances in New Hampshire and whatever that other state they do the primaries in?

Apparently he was schooled for four years at a Muslim school in Indonesia. His dad at the time was Muslim too so I don't see it being a big deal.

Fox News is trying to make it sound like this means he can't possibly be president, or that it will really, really damage he rep. Not being American, I ask you, how heavily will this influence he chances in New Hampshire and whatever that other state they do the primaries in?

If you think this is disturbing, just wait 'til he and Hillary face off in the Democratic primaries. The is nothing that woman won't do to become President.

meh. :rolleyes:

I would love to be outraged, but I'd emigrate if the UK elected a black prime minister, so I feel that would be a tad hypocritical.

If you think this is disturbing, just wait 'til he and Hillary face off in the Democratic primaries. The is nothing that woman won't do to become President.

If that isn't the pot lynching the kettle for being black. The Republicans will ride the fact he was schooled in a Muslim school all the way to the White House. Most dumbfuck Americans think Muslim and terrorist are synonymous terms.

PS. Yes, my metaphors are better than your metaphors.

He was schooled in one of the radical madrassas.

That said, I don't see it as an issue, since he seems to wear whatever gets him the votes - he's probably not a truly religious person in any sense.

We won't be seeing any Muslim comments out of him, and we won't see his white grandmother in public, either, because he knows they don't get you votes.

I'd emigrate if the UK elected a black prime minister

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/DarkSideOfTheSpoon/amazed.jpg

meh. :rolleyes:

I would love to be outraged, but I'd emigrate if the UK elected a black prime minister, so I feel that would be a tad hypocritical.
You'd love to be outraged, but instead you'll just dispel any doubt that you are actually a bigot...? Right.

We won't be seeing any Muslim comments out of him, and we won't see his white grandmother in public, either, because he knows they don't get you votes.

That is a trule despicable, underhanded, sniping comment which is in no way based in reality. Senator Obama has never made a secret of his Christian beliefs, and has never made a secret of the fact that it is those beliefs which fuel his political beliefs. To cut at or attack those is, frankly, pretty despicable.

That is a trule despicable, underhanded, sniping comment which is in no way based in reality. Senator Obama has never made a secret of his Christian beliefs, and has never made a secret of the fact that it is those beliefs which fuel his political beliefs. To cut at or attack those is, frankly, pretty despicable.

Maybe you don't read the Washington Post, where they found that although he belongs to a church, he rarely if ever goes, even on holidays. When asked about his beliefs, he said he wasn't much of a believer, although he said he was raised in a house where the Bible, the Koran, and the Gita were present, but he claims not to have read much of any of them.

Not sniping if it's the truth. He's just not a religious person.

You'd love to be outraged, but instead you'll just dispel any doubt that you are actually a bigot...? Right.

Not really. The majority of my friends feel the same, and frankly, I feel vindicated.

Maybe you don't read the Washington Post, where they found that although he belongs to a church, he rarely if ever goes, even on holidays. When asked about his beliefs, he said he wasn't much of a believer, although he said he was raised in a house where the Bible, the Koran, and the Gita were present, but he claims not to have read much of any of them.

Not sniping if it's the truth. He's just not a religious person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrack_Obama#Personal_life

I would contest that. I'd also love a link to that WaPo story, so I could see for myself what it actually said, and not what Little Green Fascists or Red State told you it said.

Not really. The majority of my friends feel the same, and frankly, I feel vindicated.

No, that just means the majority of your friends are also biggots, and that you have bad taste in friends. It also brings up the, "None of us is as stupid alone as we are together," quote.

Edit: This wasn't a double post, Jolt just Time Traveled me here.

Maybe you don't read the Washington Post, where they found that although he belongs to a church, he rarely if ever goes, even on holidays. When asked about his beliefs, he said he wasn't much of a believer, although he said he was raised in a house where the Bible, the Koran, and the Gita were present, but he claims not to have read much of any of them.

Not sniping if it's the truth. He's just not a religious person.

One would think that not being truly religious would comfort quite a few people on NS.

Not really. The majority of my friends feel the same, and frankly, I feel vindicated.

Nervous and unsteady with a drop of sweat running down his forehead, Adolph leaned forward in his seat. "You think the Jews should be exterminated too, right?"
Goebbels smiled reassuringly and patted Adolph on the back lightly. "Of course I do, friend. Of course I do."
Hitler sat back in his chair with a sigh of relief and a warm feeling inside.

No, that just means the majority of your friends are also biggots, and that you have bad taste in friends. It also brings up the, "None of us is as stupid alone as we are together," quote.

Edit: This wasn't a double post, Jolt just Time Traveled me here.

Given that you know nothing about me, I imagine that Time Travel machine allows for leaps of logic?

In any case, we can hardly be stupid at the best school in the UK?

Given that you know nothing about me, I imagine that Time Travel machine allows for leaps of logic?

In any case, we can hardly be stupid at the best school in the UK?

Being smart doesn't necessarilly mean being sensible. You would leave the country because of the skin colour of the Prime Minister. What if he held views that appealed to you and such? Would you still leave?

Being smart doesn't necessarilly mean being sensible. You would leave the country because of the skin colour of the Prime Minister. What if he held views that appealed to you and such? Would you still leave?

As a UKIP member, I defy the will of any ethnic politician to echo my political ideals.

Given that you know nothing about me, I imagine that Time Travel machine allows for leaps of logic?

In any case, we can hardly be stupid at the best school in the UK?
That'd be the best state school in the UK. And believe me, there are stupid people at that school. Remember, I went there too.

And, as KSP said, just because you're friends believe the same as you, doesn't mean you're right.

And as for the frankly dumb comment about "ethnic politicians", I can only assume you're not aware of the activities of the party you claim membership of.

Do the names Ashwinkumar Tanna, Rustie Lee, Delroy Young and Mohammed Yaqub not mean anything to you? If not, I suggest you read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukip#Minority_members_of_UKIP

From Wiki

"Minority members of UKIP
UKIP has stood a significant number of ethnic minority candidates in each of the general elections it has contested, in 1997, 2001 and 2005. The first ethnic minority candidate to represent UKIP in a parliamentary by-election was Ashwinkumar Tanna, a pharmacist who had previously been an independent candidate for Mayor of London. He represented UKIP in the Tottenham by-election, 2000; his campaign, which called for British withdrawal from the EU and fairer treatment for immigrants, was utterly ignored by the media apart from a brief paragraph in Chemist and Druggist magazine[34]. The best-known black member of UKIP is former TV chef Rustie Lee, who stood as a candidate in the 2005 general election and also appeared in the party's election broadcast that year. The most senior black member of the UKIP leadership is Delroy Young, another general election candidate, who was elected to the party's NEC in 2006 (coming 2nd out of 46 candidates)[35]. UKIP's only Muslim local councillor to date was Mohammed Yaqub, originally elected as a Conservative to Walsall Metropolitan Borough Council. He and a colleague defected to UKIP in 2004 but were defeated in their re-election bids a few months later."

As a UKIP member, I defy the will of any ethnic politician to echo my political ideals.

http://www.ukip.org/images/conference/rustielee.jpg

You were saying?

As a UKIP member, I defy the will of any ethnic politician to echo my political ideals.

I'm curious. Why is it you take that stance? What is it about "ethnic" politicians that offends you? Is it the values and views they were likely raised with that may not coinside with your own? Is it the difference in skin color? Is it some other reason? :)

Wow. I have never seen such a great example of idiot skewering in all my life.

Blessed, tucking it between your legs just ain't gonna cut it. Your gonna have to tuck it up you ass and run away.

In any case, we can hardly be stupid at the best school in the UK?
"I can do these quadratic equations better than anyone...it totally validates any other kind of crazy social position I have!"

If you think this is disturbing, just wait 'til he and Hillary face off in the Democratic primaries. The is nothing that woman won't do to become President.

Weekly World News says she's chosen Bigfoot as her running mate.

Wow. I have never seen such a great example of idiot skewering in all my life.

Blessed, tucking it between your legs just ain't gonna cut it. Your gonna have to tuck it up you ass and run away.
"He's buggered off!"

"So he has, he's scarpered!"

The Blessed Chris ran away...

...bravely ran away away...

...When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled.

...Yes, The Blessed Chris turned about, and valiantly, he chickened out.

...Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat. A brave retreat by The Blessed Chris.

:D

Weekly World News says she's chosen Bigfoot as her running mate.

Damn, I really wish I had my "Bigfoot for Governor" postcard and a scanner right now...

That is a trule despicable, underhanded, sniping comment which is in no way based in reality. Senator Obama has never made a secret of his Christian beliefs, and has never made a secret of the fact that it is those beliefs which fuel his political beliefs. To cut at or attack those is, frankly, pretty despicable.It’s all an act. He didn’t become religious until adulthood, when he realized that those without a defined faith can’t get elected to high office in the United States.

Not sniping if it's the truth. He's just not a religious person.
Except you didn't say he wasn't a religious person.
You said he wouldn't make any Muslim comments "because he knows they don't get you votes."
Thus implying he is Muslim but hides it due to fear of losing votes.

That's sniping. And don't weasel out of it by claiming you didn't mean it that way, because you damn well know you did.



On another note, I find it absurd that the biggest fear some people in America appear to have regarding Presidential candidates is that they 'aren't religious'.
Heavens to Murgatroid! An agnostic in the Whitehouse! How obscene! Imagine how irresponsible and immoral they would be without the guiding hand of God to show them the true path! Why, they might have affairs with interns, or break campaign promises, or engage in unnessecary wars, or break the law in order to get re-elected, or drink heavily, or...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/DarkSideOfTheSpoon/amazed.jpg
Is that Lemmy?

If that isn't the pot lynching the kettle for being black. The Republicans will ride the fact he was schooled in a Muslim school all the way to the White House. Most dumbfuck Americans think Muslim and terrorist are synonymous terms.

PS. Yes, my metaphors are better than your metaphors.

Even before he announced the exploratory committee someone here on NSG called him Obama Barack bin Ladin. Funny foreshadowing huh?

Except you didn't say he wasn't a religious person.
You said he wouldn't make any Muslim comments "because he knows they don't get you votes."
Thus implying he is Muslim but hides it due to fear of losing votes.

That's sniping. And don't weasel out of it by claiming you didn't mean it that way, because you damn well know you did.



On another note, I find it absurd that the biggest fear some people in America appear to have regarding Presidential candidates is that they 'aren't religious'.
Heavens to Murgatroid! An agnostic in the Whitehouse! How obscene! Imagine how irresponsible and immoral they would be without the guiding hand of God to show them the true path! Why, they might have affairs with interns, or break campaign promises, or engage in unnessecary wars, or break the law in order to get re-elected, or drink heavily, or...

The bolded bit makes this the best post yet.

And yeah-for fucks sake, he's not running for Pope, he's running for President (or exploring, or whatever nonsense is going on right now) in a country with a separation of church and state. I don't care what imaginary friend he talks to in the dark or whatever, I want to know what kind of decisions he's going to make. And if he's going to let said imaginary friend make them, that's a bad thing.

The only reason I don't think Obama isn't going to make it is that it's too early. Anyone who is a front runner right now will get covered in way too much mud to make it to the primaries, much less the Presidency. Anyone who comes out now can be considered little more than a decoy to find out where the shots are coming from.

Maybe you don't read the Washington Post, where they found that although he belongs to a church, he rarely if ever goes, even on holidays. When asked about his beliefs, he said he wasn't much of a believer, although he said he was raised in a house where the Bible, the Koran, and the Gita were present, but he claims not to have read much of any of them.

Not sniping if it's the truth. He's just not a religious person.

Sounds a bit like Dubya--claims to be religious, but never seems to be in church. At least Obama can put together a series of rational thoughts and express them coherently.

Except you didn't say he wasn't a religious person.
You said he wouldn't make any Muslim comments "because he knows they don't get you votes."
Thus implying he is Muslim but hides it due to fear of losing votes.


Not implying anything. You're putting words in my mouth.

I'm saying he knows that religion is a sensitive issue - in US politics, it pays to be Christian, but only in a lukewarm fashion. Any overt display of something that might lose votes is bad.

If anything, I'm implying that he's completely cynical about religion. Which makes him not a religious person at all.

Is that Lemmy?
Very much so.

The main problem with being out front in the beginning is that your own party is going to have potential candidates who can't wait to stab you in the back.

The actual opposition party doesn't have to bother with anything at this point (if they have any sense) because you may be eliminated by your own party well before you get off the ground.

Anyone remember Howard Dean?

You're describing Hillary Clinton right now, not Obama.

The only reason I don't think Obama isn't going to make it is that it's too early. Anyone who is a front runner right now will get covered in way too much mud to make it to the primaries, much less the Presidency. Anyone who comes out now can be considered little more than a decoy to find out where the shots are coming from.

The main problem with being out front in the beginning is that your own party is going to have potential candidates who can't wait to stab you in the back.

The actual opposition party doesn't have to bother with anything at this point (if they have any sense) because you may be eliminated by your own party well before you get off the ground.

Anyone remember Howard Dean?

In any case, we can hardly be stupid at the best school in the UK?

Money. Lots of it.
And if you go to the best school in the UK, why haven't you realised the colour of your skin is no more important that the colour of your underwear (and as its been freezing today, both of mine are a rather fetching shades of blue...)?

Given that you know nothing about me, I imagine that Time Travel machine allows for leaps of logic?

In any case, we can hardly be stupid at the best school in the UK?http://www.meshsf.com/blogs/prince_harry_nazi2.jpg
'nuff said.

You're describing Hillary Clinton right now, not Obama.

The thing I'm saying is that it hardly matters who is in front now, or what the Republicans think of the potential Democratic candidates.

What's going on right now is what every party does in the run up to the primaries - eat their own.

The main problem with being out front in the beginning is that your own party is going to have potential candidates who can't wait to stab you in the back.

The actual opposition party doesn't have to bother with anything at this point (if they have any sense) because you may be eliminated by your own party well before you get off the ground.

Anyone remember Howard Dean?

The thing I'm saying is that it hardly matters who is in front now, or what the Republicans think of the potential Democratic candidates.

What's going on right now is what every party does in the run up to the primaries - eat their own.
I do in fact remember Howard Dean, and I remember a whole lot more flack coming from Republicans than I do from the relatively tame stuff coming from the other Democrats in the primary (the Conservatives on this site where acting as if he was already the candidate and running full tilt against him). Gray Davis did it in the California governor primaries, sniping the guy he didn't want to run against in the Republican primaries. It's been common place ever since.

There has been 'accusations' that Obama's resistance has been coming from Hilary, but that has been pretty ridiculous (claims that she 'leaked' his drug use when it was in a book he published in 1995...some leak...). No, this has been coming from places like Fox News, hardly a Hilary strong hold.

I never understood why the Republicans bothered to attack Dean, because it was quite clear that Kennedy and Kerry had a lot to do with vaporizing Dean's candidacy.

An over reaction to a rally speech had more to do with it than anything else.

I do in fact remember Howard Dean, and I remember a whole lot more flack coming from Republicans than I do from the relatively tame stuff coming from the other Democrats in the primary (the Conservatives on this site where acting as if he was already the candidate and running full tilt against him). Gray Davis did it in the California governor primaries, sniping the guy he didn't want to run against in the Republican primaries. It's been common place ever since.


I never understood why the Republicans bothered to attack Dean, because it was quite clear that Kennedy and Kerry had a lot to do with vaporizing Dean's candidacy.

An over reaction to a rally speech had more to do with it than anything else.

I like to think that that... "scream" wouldn't have had as big an effect in the UK. Heck, our Deputy PM has been having fist fights with the press for a good decade now.

I do in fact remember Howard Dean, and I remember a whole lot more flack coming from Republicans than I do from the relatively tame stuff coming from the other Democrats in the primary (the Conservatives on this site where acting as if he was already the candidate and running full tilt against him). Gray Davis did it in the California governor primaries, sniping the guy he didn't want to run against in the Republican primaries. It's been common place ever since.

There has been 'accusations' that Obama's resistance has been coming from Hilary, but that has been pretty ridiculous (claims that she 'leaked' his drug use when it was in a book he published in 1995...some leak...). No, this has been coming from places like Fox News, hardly a Hilary strong hold.

It's from places even more wingnutty than Fox News--it's coming from places like Insight Mag and Frontpage and WorldNet Daily.

Let the 2008 smear campaign begin!:rolleyes:

I never understood why the Republicans bothered to attack Dean, because it was quite clear that Kennedy and Kerry had a lot to do with vaporizing Dean's candidacy.

Don't forget Gephardt's "we will all go down together" attack mode in Iowa and Joe Trippi's "put it all on Iowa" strategy, which left Dean broke for the rest of the run.

Apparently he was schooled for four years at a Muslim school in Indonesia. His dad at the time was Muslim too so I don't see it being a big deal.

Fox News is trying to make it sound like this means he can't possibly be president, or that it will really, really damage he rep. Not being American, I ask you, how heavily will this influence he chances in New Hampshire and whatever that other state they do the primaries in?

There are primaties or caucuses in every state for each party.

To the original question, these smear tactics have lost their effectiveness. Rove's slogan, smear campaign style is now too transparent. It will have serious effect on all those people who would never have voted for him in the first place, and noe on people who would or might.

No, that just means the majority of your friends are also biggots, and that you have bad taste in friends. It also brings up the, "None of us is as stupid alone as we are together," quote.

Edit: This wasn't a double post, Jolt just Time Traveled me here.
My personal favourite is:

http://www.aoe.vt.edu/~cdhall/img/Idiocy.jpg

He was schooled in one of the radical madrassas.


Do you have a link to that? All I've found so far is that he attended a Madrassa...nothing about it being radical...

Cheers!

Do you have a link to that? All I've found so far is that he attended a Madrassa...nothing about it being radical...

Cheers!

this

The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama's years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims.

Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the case and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam.

Maybe you don't read the Washington Post, where they found that although he belongs to a church, he rarely if ever goes, even on holidays.

Who cares?

this

So no real evidence then? What a surprise!

Do you have a link to that? All I've found so far is that he attended a Madrassa...nothing about it being radical...

Cheers!
The original story is from Insight Magazine, a publication of the Washington Times and can't provide a link because it's a subscription only site, so I suspect he got the text from a blog and is unwilling to source it. Either way, it's basically "news" from the Moonie Times and ought to be treated with the respect that source deserves, which is to say, none at all.

Maybe you don't read the Washington Post, where they found that although he belongs to a church, he rarely if ever goes, even on holidays. When asked about his beliefs, he said he wasn't much of a believer, although he said he was raised in a house where the Bible, the Koran, and the Gita were present, but he claims not to have read much of any of them.

Not sniping if it's the truth. He's just not a religious person.

I like him, sounds like a sane man.

Wahabbism is radical Islam. Or are you completely uneducated on the matter?
The point is that there's no real proof--and no, a report from Insight Mag does not constitute proof--that the school Obama attended taught the Wahabbist sect of Islam. And what's more, there's even less proof that even it did had, that it had an affect on his life afterward--unless you're going to argue that Obama is a Muslim mole, a Manchurian Candidate of sorts.

So no real evidence then? What a surprise!

Wahabbism is radical Islam. Or are you completely uneducated on the matter?

Wahabbism is radical Islam. Or are you completely uneducated on the matter?

Uh, yeah and the source said there was no confirmation on weither or not the school he went to was one of that alignment.

The point is that there's no real proof--and no, a report from Insight Mag does not constitute proof--that the school Obama attended taught the Wahabbist sect of Islam. And what's more, there's even less proof that even it did had, that it had an affect on his life afterward--unless you're going to argue that Obama is a Muslim mole, a Manchurian Candidate of sorts.

I'm so bored with these willful dupes and their incipient fears based on old screenplays. Aren't you?

You are Whispering Legs/Deep Kimchi and I claim my five pounds.He'll simply claim that he has a different IP address and that the mods can confirm that--as though no one ever masked an IP before.:rolleyes:

I'm so bored with these willful dupes and their incipient fears based on old screenplays. Aren't you?

Yep. How long before he pulls out the whole "taqiyya" myth I wonder?

I would love to be outraged, but I'd emigrate if the UK elected a black prime minister, so I feel that would be a tad hypocritical.

Why do you think that race would affect a politician's ability to do his or her job?

Wahabbism is radical Islam. Or are you completely uneducated on the matter?

But there is no evidence even in your unsourced article that he attended one of the schools that teaches Wahabbism, so that would be no proof. You do see how that works, yes?

Wahabbism is radical Islam. Or are you completely uneducated on the matter?

Oh dear. You not only miss the point entirely but you also need to make silly comments like that?

I've known about the connections between the House of Saud and the Wahabbists before you were born.

However that is by the by.

I want proof that what you said was true. You are not able to provide it. You linked to a passage (unattributed) that is mainly supposition. Nothing concrete.

Really...if you want to be taken seriously you really must do better.

Marks - 3/10 (mainly for spelling uneducated properly)

Wahabbism is radical Islam. Or are you completely uneducated on the matter?

You are Whispering Legs/Deep Kimchi and I claim my five pounds.

Apparently he was schooled for four years at a Muslim school in Indonesia. His dad at the time was Muslim too so I don't see it being a big deal.

Fox News is trying to make it sound like this means he can't possibly be president, or that it will really, really damage he rep. Not being American, I ask you, how heavily will this influence he chances in New Hampshire and whatever that other state they do the primaries in?

He will never be President because just wait what dirt the Clinton-machine will dig up on him. The race is going to be very very dirty.

responses from Eve Online or Blessed Chris???

http://bitrot.net/images/blog/tumbleweed.jpg

responses from Eve Online or Blessed Chris???

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You won't get one from TBC - someone challenged him in another thread to answer here and he still didn't.

responses from Eve Online or Blessed Chris???

I'll give EO the benefit of the doubt and say he's doing something else right now or whatever. TBC is active in other threads so, whatever that means. Though I don't know what he can say in this one now.

He will never be President because just wait what dirt the Clinton-machine will dig up on him. The race is going to be very very dirty.

Judging on how things are going now it doesn't look like she'll have to bother.

I'll give EO the benefit of the doubt and say he's doing something else right now or whatever. TBC is active in other threads so, whatever that means. Though I don't know what he can say in this one now.

More fool him. I mean talk about being comprehensively trashed...and after making a post about being in the 'best school' ... and not having the cojones to admit that he was talking shyte...I love the irony. Also that now he's been proven foolish it'll be hard to take anything the lad/lass says seriously.

Eve Online...fair enough...maybe s/he is busy finding that concrete evidence...

responses from Eve Online or Blessed Chris???

http://bitrot.net/images/blog/tumbleweed.jpg

I've already given my responses. Next thing you'll say that there's only one conservative person posting to these forums, and everytime someone doesn't agree with you, you'll say they're a puppet.

Once again, ask the mods.

An over reaction to a rally speech had more to do with it than anything else.

It wasn't even that. Take a look at this info from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean#Iowa_results_and_the_.22Dean_Scream.22):

Dean attended a post-caucus rally for his volunteers in Iowa to deliver his concession speech, aimed at cheering up those in attendance. Dean was shouting over the cheers of his enthusiastic audience, but the crowd noise was being filtered out by his unidirectional microphone, leaving only his full-throated exhortations audible to the television viewers. To those at home, it sounded as if he was raising his voice out of sheer emotion. Additionally, Dean began his speech with a flushed-red face, clenching his teeth as he rolled up his sleeves. According to a Newsday Editorial written by Verne Gay, some members of the television audience criticized the speech as loud, peculiar, and unpresidential.

Dean conceded that the speech did not project the best image, jokingly referring to it as a "crazy, red-faced rant" on The Late Show with David Letterman. In an interview later that week with Diane Sawyer, he said he was "a little sheepish … but I'm not apologetic." Sawyer and many others in the national broadcast news media later expressed some regret about overplaying the story. In fact, CNN issued a public apology and admitted in a statement that they indeed may have "overplayed" the incident. The incessant replaying of the "Dean Scream" by the press became a debate on the topic of whether Dean was the victim of media bias. Such reports certainly fit with reports of "unelectability," as shown by Green's Atlantic Monthly piece. The scream scene was shown an estimated 633 times by cable and broadcast news networks in just four days following the incident, a number that does not include talk shows and local news broadcasts. However, those who were in the actual audience that day insist that they were not aware of the infamous scream until they returned to their hotel rooms and saw it on TV.

Also,

You won't get one from TBC - someone challenged him in another thread to answer here and he still didn't.

I think Chris's forum career is pretty much over. Casually admitting racism? Defending said racism with elitism and groupthink? Refusing to follow up on the whole thing?

Yeah, he should start packing his bags.

I think Chris's forum career is pretty much over. Casually admitting racism? Defending said racism with elitism and groupthink? Refusing to follow up on the whole thing?

Yeah, he should start packing his bags.
Don't count on it. Worse people than him have hung around for long periods.

I've already given my responses. Next thing you'll say that there's only one conservative person posting to these forums, and everytime someone doesn't agree with you, you'll say they're a puppet.

Once again, ask the mods.

Please....I was joshing you...so you are not DK or you are...so what. You still parrot the same lines. Including the one about asking the Mods.

And I hate to break this to you but I have not disagreed with you. I have questioned your statements. I have also asked for evidence...which you have failed to provide. So either put up or admit that you made a mistake.

Just because someone questions you does not mean that they are on the opposite side of the political spectrum. That is the kind of knee jerk reaction that we have come recognise as the province of the non thinking gimme gimme neo liberal parrot.

Are you a parrot? Or are you able to think critically? So far the evidence is not in your favour.

Don't count on it. Worse people than him have hung around for long periods.

Point taken... he could always turn into a troll. But I think he's lost all respect as a casual forum-goer for a long, long time.

Do you have a link to that? All I've found so far is that he attended a Madrassa...nothing about it being radical...

Cheers!When Obama was 6, Anna remarried. Her new husband was Lolo, an Indonesian oil company manager, and the new family moved to Djakarta, where Obama's sister Maya was born. (Obama describes her looks as those "of a Latin queen.")

After two years in a Muslim school, then two more in a Catholic school, Obama was sent by his mother back to her parents' home so that he could attend Hawaii's esteemed Punahou Academy.http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/03/30/obama/index.html

There is no reason to believe that Obama attended an radical Islamic, or if he did that he was unduely influenced by it. From the ages of 6 to 8 Obama attended an Islamic school and then from 8-10 he attended a Catholic school. Hardly the stuff could make him the enemy within.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/03/30/obama/index.html

There is no reason to believe that Obama attended an radical Islamic, or if he did that he was unduely influenced by it. From the ages of 6 to 8 Obama attended an Islamic school and then from 8-10 he attended a Catholic school. Hardly the stuff could make him the enemy within.
Oh you silly person, pulling out facts and expecting them to trump innuendo and hearsay from unreliable sources. Tut Tut! :D

There are primaries in every state...or a caucus.

I think it won't matter much except to nutjobs. His middle name happens to be Hussein btw.

Well the problem with the Salon article is the same as the one Eve Online posted...there is no concrete evidence.

Not even the names of the schools...

Although the Salon article is obviously not a hatchet job.

Then again...by some peoples definition I am a rabid right wing US militarist because I attended American Dept of Defense schools in Europe...

His middle is Hussien. That will probably give him more problems, since you cant change that. His father by the way sadly left Islam later in his life and became an atheist. barack became Christian and I don't believe he was ever Muslim.

Well the problem with the Salon article is the same as the one Eve Online posted...there is no concrete evidence.

Not even the names of the schools...

Although the Salon article is obviously not a hatchet job.

Then again...by some peoples definition I am a rabid right wing US militarist because I attended American Dept of Defense schools in Europe...

There's a lot more fairness in that Salon piece than there is in the POS that Fox News put out there this morning (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa/).

I think Fox News has jumped the shark.

Wahabbism is radical Islam.

no its not

no its not

Yes it is. By every conceivable definition. It is the religion of Osama Bin Laden. It is teh sect he still adheres to and the sect through which he communicates to his followers. Do you think he's radical?

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/03/30/obama/index.html

There is no reason to believe that Obama attended an radical Islamic, or if he did that he was unduely influenced by it. From the ages of 6 to 8 Obama attended an Islamic school and then from 8-10 he attended a Catholic school. Hardly the stuff could make him the enemy within.

it appears he has the right ingredients to be good leader and set a new course for the USA. No doubt that will make many neo-cons uncomfortable, but many others around the world would be prepared to listen to what he has to say.

Any concern about Islamic influence is silly what do people think he'll do if elected, have the USA declare a holy war against itself? Can an Islamic President be any worse than the man in office now?

There's a lot more fairness in that Salon piece than there is in the POS that Fox News put out there this morning (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa/).

I think Fox News has jumped the shark.

Yes that is true. However the fact remains that neither piece actually offers any concrete verification.

Of course its a pedantic point but given the context valid.

From Fox I expect bad journalism. Salon...well...I guess the best I can say about Salon is that they have stopped playing the dot con game.

Any concern about Islamic influence is silly what do people think he'll do if elected, have the USA declare a holy war against itself? Can an Islamic President be any worse than the man in office now?

It would be the same kind of scarecraft that Protestants conjured up about JFK turning the U.S. into New Vatican City. If anything, a Muslim President would at the very least give the country a temporary reset switch in the Middle East and possibly undercut the claims of Bin Ladin and other jihadi nutjobs that America is trying to destroy all good Muslims.

Hell, at this point I would vote for Obama just on the basis that he hasn't committed any massive fuck ups like every other candidate whose name will be put forward, unless McCain represents the Republican Party in 2008, both of those two men have a clean record and with politics the way they are that is rather rare.

Hell, at this point I would vote for Obama just on the basis that he hasn't committed any massive fuck ups like every other candidate whose name will be put forward, unless McCain represents the Republican Party in 2008, both of those two men have a clean record and with politics the way they are that is rather rare.
You'll want to take a much closer look at McCain--he is not what he claims to be.

Yes it is. By every conceivable definition. It is the religion of Osama Bin Laden. It is teh sect he still adheres to and the sect through which he communicates to his followers. Do you think he's radical?

Soviestan? :confused: No comment? :confused: Just wanted to see how you felt about the world's most famous Wahibi. ;)

no its not

Well the Islamic scholars who I have seen being interviewed on news progrmames, in print and radio disagree with you.

As do I.

Soviestan? :confused: No comment? :confused: Just wanted to see how you felt about the world's most famous Wahibi. ;)

Just because a famous Radical is a Wahabbi doesn't mean that Wahabism is inherently radical.

I don't approve of wahhabism, but your using a gross Reductio Ad Hitlerum.

Just because a famous Radical is a Wahabbi doesn't mean that Wahabism is inherently radical.

I don't approve of wahhabism, but your using a gross Reductio Ad Hitlerum.

Well, that's just what Hitler would say, so your argument fails.

It would be the same kind of scarecraft that Protestants conjured up about JFK turning the U.S. into New Vatican City. If anything, a Muslim President would at the very least give the country a temporary reset switch in the Middle East and possibly undercut the claims of Bin Ladin and other jihadi nutjobs that America is trying to destroy all good Muslims.

I agree. And having an Islamic President(if he was)doesn't automatically make him a friend of Islamic States. I would think an Islamic President of the USA would have the same concerns as a Christian President would concerning Iran's nuclear program. Obama it appears to be very secular and doesn't appear to be the type that will let religion control his agenda.

I expect the neo-cons to be very opposed to Obama, I also suspect the pro-Israeli lobby will also be opposed.

Just because a famous Radical is a Wahabbi doesn't mean that Wahabism is inherently radical.

I don't approve of wahhabism, but your using a gross Reductio Ad Hitlerum.

Godwinned...

But anyway, if he were some bad example of the group I wouldn't use him, but since he very clearly represents the group's views I see no problem using him as an example. I wouldn't use him as an example of, say, Sunnis even though he is Sunni because there are so many Sunnis with so many varying views. But he is a good example of Wahibism.

You'll want to take a much closer look at McCain--he is not what he claims to be.

You're right. I used to like McCain, but he's turned out to be an opportunistic political coward.

For example:
* trying to build support with the Religious Right that he previously denounced as intolerant
* caving on the anti-torture legislation and making an empty "compromise" with Bush
* his continuing support of the war in Iraq
* his continuing stance against gay marriage
* his support of intelligent design
* his flip-flopping stance on stem-cells

etc.

You're right. I used to like McCain, but he's turned out to be an opportunistic political coward.

For example:
* trying to build support with the Religious Right that he previously denounced as intolerant
* caving on the anti-torture legislation and making an empty "compromise" with Bush
* his continuing support of the war in Iraq
* his continuing stance against gay marriage
* his support of intelligent design
* his flip-flopping stance on stem-cells

etc.

Fortunately for those of us who don't like him, his popularity among independents is cratering in places like New Hampshire, and the religious right still hasn't embraced him.

Just because a famous Radical is a Wahabbi doesn't mean that Wahabism is inherently radical.

I don't approve of wahhabism, but your using a gross Reductio Ad Hitlerum.
Reductio ad Hitlerum? That has got to be the best thing I have heard all day.

Fortunately for those of us who don't like him, his popularity among independents is cratering in places like New Hampshire, and the religious right still hasn't embraced him.
Yes, luckily he is too dangerous to endorse politically due to wild and contradictory positions.

Reductio ad Hitlerum? That has got to be the best thing I have heard all day.

Don't give me undeserved credit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_hitlerum

Godwinned...

But anyway, if he were some bad example of the group I wouldn't use him, but since he very clearly represents the group's views I see no problem using him as an example. I wouldn't use him as an example of, say, Sunnis even though he is Sunni because there are so many Sunnis with so many varying views. But he is a good example of Wahibism.

Godwinning "Reductio Ad Hitlerum".......why?

That'd be the best state school in the UK. And believe me, there are stupid people at that school. Remember, I went there too.


HAHAHAHA!

Godwinning "Reductio Ad Hitlerum".......why?

Wasn't Hitler a Nazi? :confused:

HAHAHAHA!
:confused: Was it something I said?

I'll tell you right now if Barack Obama runs for President he has my vote I don't care if he did go to Muslim school or Christian school, just as long as he didn't go to school with Bush.

LOLOLOL!!!!!!! Bravo!

I'll tell you right now if Barack Obama runs for President he has my vote I don't care if he did go to Muslim school or Christian school, just as long as he didn't go to school with Bush.
Well, that would imply that Bush wentto school...

Fortunately for those of us who don't like him, his popularity among independents is cratering in places like New Hampshire, and the religious right still hasn't embraced him.

one of the best descriptions of McCain i've heard, and it might even have been from you Nazz, is that he is best described as a RHINO INO

I love Jolt me!

I'll tell you right now if Barack Obama runs for President he has my vote I don't care if he did go to Muslim school or Christian school, just as long as he didn't go to school with Bush.

In any case, we can hardly be stupid at the best school in the UK?
Urmm... yes, yes you can.

Seeing as you made a statement with a question mark at the end, there's one piece of moronitude, and your xenophobia cripples a weak, weak argument and pretty much makes it a non-entity.

meh. :rolleyes:

I would love to be outraged, but I'd emigrate if the UK elected a black prime minister, so I feel that would be a tad hypocritical.
So you would choose to abandon your country and its culture in such a crucial hour? (your opinion is bullshit but I'm playing along anyway)

As a UKIP member, I defy the will of any ethnic politician to echo my political ideals.
*snigger* you pussy, why not join the BNP? They are closer to your beliefs than those moderates in UKIP!

From Wiki

"Minority members of UKIP
UKIP has stood a significant number of ethnic minority candidates in each of the general elections it has contested, in 1997, 2001 and 2005. The first ethnic minority candidate to represent UKIP in a parliamentary by-election was Ashwinkumar Tanna, a pharmacist who had previously been an independent candidate for Mayor of London. He represented UKIP in the Tottenham by-election, 2000; his campaign, which called for British withdrawal from the EU and fairer treatment for immigrants, was utterly ignored by the media apart from a brief paragraph in Chemist and Druggist magazine[34]. The best-known black member of UKIP is former TV chef Rustie Lee, who stood as a candidate in the 2005 general election and also appeared in the party's election broadcast that year. The most senior black member of the UKIP leadership is Delroy Young, another general election candidate, who was elected to the party's NEC in 2006 (coming 2nd out of 46 candidates)[35]. UKIP's only Muslim local councillor to date was Mohammed Yaqub, originally elected as a Conservative to Walsall Metropolitan Borough Council. He and a colleague defected to UKIP in 2004 but were defeated in their re-election bids a few months later."
OWN3D! (http://www.blamonet.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_709331owned-cat.jpg)

I'll tell you right now if Barack Obama runs for President he has my vote I don't care if he did go to Muslim school or Christian school, just as long as he didn't go to school with Bush.

Damn straight. No Yalies in my White House.

There's a lot more fairness in that Salon piece than there is in the POS that Fox News put out there this morning (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa/).

I think Fox News has jumped the shark.

QFT. I didn't see that part of the show, thank God. I know it probably won't happen, but I would love for Obama or somebody to sue them for defamation.

His father by the way sadly left Islam later in his life and became an atheist.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/DarkSideOfTheSpoon/cryingbaby.gif

Weekly World News says she's chosen Bigfoot as her running mate.

Link me! :D

I'll tell you right now if Barack Obama runs for President he has my vote I don't care if he did go to Muslim school or Christian school, just as long as he didn't go to school with Bush.

I didn't think Bush went to school...

*snigger* you pussy, why not join the BNP? They are closer to your beliefs than those moderates in UKIP!

The man has already torched his own credibility with Hindenburgian speed, let it rest in peace.

The man has already torched his own credibility with Hindenburgian speed, let it rest in peace.
I don't know. It truly was impressive the way he went from 'borderline racist' (IMO) to 'complete bigot not worth giving the time of day' in just two posts. I think he maybe should be held up as an example of 'how not to defend your membership of a minority political party' for the rest of the people on NSG.

I don't know. It truly was impressive the way he went from 'borderline racist' (IMO) to 'complete bigot not worth giving the time of day' in just two posts. I think he maybe should be held up as an example of 'how not to defend your membership of a minority political party' for the rest of the people on NSG.
What I found surprising was the fact that he'd been here for so long (4000+ posts?). Although a lot of that may be from RPing and such.

What I found surprising was the fact that he'd been here for so long (4000+ posts?). Although a lot of that may be from RPing and such.
Nope, predominantly in this forum, IIRC. I've noticed he's been a bit...well, racist, for a while, but that's because he goes to the same school I used to go to, so I kinda notice him more.

Soviestan? :confused: No comment? :confused: Just wanted to see how you felt about the world's most famous Wahibi. ;)

I'm not sure there are "radical" forms of Islam, the people within that form by however become radicalised.

Next they'll saying he trained with Al-Quida in Afghanistan...

I don't plan on voting for a Democrat OR a Republican for quite a while...so yeah, I don't much care where Obama went to school.

lol...attending a muslim school is hardly a crime. I attended one for three years....:p

lol...attending a muslim school is hardly a crime. I attended one for three years....:p

Ah, but you're not a "halfrican" (and yes, a wingnut radio host actually called Obama that) running for President as a Democrat. When you're in that situation, simply saying the word "muslim" three times calls up the spirits of Elijah Muhammad and Uday Hussein who flank you at every public appearance and scream "Death to America! Death to the White Man!" at the crowds.

Damn straight. No Yalies in my White House.


Well if I were a person who had attended Yale, I don't think I would like to claim Bush as alumni of my school considering some of the stupid moves he's made, would you?

Urmm... yes, yes you can.

Seeing as you made a statement with a question mark at the end, there's one piece of moronitude, and your xenophobia cripples a weak, weak argument and pretty much makes it a non-entity.

actually he made that as a question as well as being a statement.

I'm not sure there are "radical" forms of Islam, the people within that form by however become radicalised.

Even the Islamists will tell you there are radical forms.....so there is no way to claim that they do not exist.

Apparently he was schooled for four years at a Muslim school in Indonesia. His dad at the time was Muslim too so I don't see it being a big deal.

Fox News is trying to make it sound like this means he can't possibly be president, or that it will really, really damage he rep. Not being American, I ask you, how heavily will this influence he chances in New Hampshire and whatever that other state they do the primaries in?
Do you have a link to the Fox News article?

Do you have a link to the Fox News article?

I've got something better (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa/)--video of Fox News jumping the shark on this.