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Just today I got a copy of Windows Vista Business Edition and installed it to my laptop. So far, I like it well enough. The interface is different than XP's, and the Aero interface is fun to play with. On the downside, I had some trouble connecting to my wireless network, since the controls are so different.

Just wondering what everyone's thoughts on Vista are. Has anyone else used it so far? What are your impressions?

I mainly work in Linux, I will probably be forced to buy Vista within the next year or so to keep up with my business.

I'm sort of torn between buying it for my laptop now or just waiting until I buy the next one (which will likely be when I graduate college in 2010). I mean, it's expensive to buy and pretty much everything is going to be XP-compatible for the next few years, so I'm probably going to wait.

I might just compromise and buy Office 2007 now and wait until 2010 to get my new laptop with Vista.

It's alright. I've had a version of Beta 1 for a while now. Pretty nice except my the manufactures have yet to produce drivers and the idea to provide a generic driver for atheros chipsets has yet to enter MS's mind.

It is a bit disturbing that activities that require authentication do not require a password, but at least they made it into this decade security wise.

I applied for my free copy when I got my Gateway, I don't know when I will get it, but I will wait until I get 2GB of RAM in it and a few months until all the patches that fix all their stupid shit get released.

I will probably wait until next year when the important wrinkles have been ironed out and there's more hardware support.

I applied for my free copy when I got my Gateway, I don't know when I will get it, but I will wait until I get 2GB of RAM in it and a few months until all the patches that fix all their stupid shit get released.
Yeah, it is rather RAM intensive. IIRC, it was at 570MiB immediately after its first boot.

When I tested on of the Betas (release candidate 1) in October sort of time it looked good, but was incredibely frustrating. I'd hoped to use it until full Vista came out if I had liked it.

I went back to XP about two days after starting on Vista.

Yeah, it is rather RAM intensive. IIRC, it was at 570MiB immediately after its first boot.

I have a GB right now and I can't really play games (the few games I can play with the shit onboard vid card they put in there); so I probably can't use Vista's most RAM intensive functions anyway.

I have a GB right now and I can't really play games (the few games I can play with the shit onboard vid card they put in there); so I probably can't use Vista's most RAM intensive functions anyway.
Vista seemed pretty responsive with just 1GB of RAM playing games, but then ATI had some decent drivers at at the time. But is Vista refusing to let you configure anything other than your onboard?

Vista seemed pretty responsive with just 1GB of RAM playing games,
Guild Wars runs my XP laptop with 1GB of RAM down to double digits. Shitty Intel onboard, can't play half a dozen games I should be able to because it doesn't have some basic shaders. Too bad you can't put a new video card into a laptop.

Guild Wars runs my XP laptop with 1GB of RAM down to double digits.
:eek:
Does it only have the onboard video?

:eek:
Does it only have the onboard video?

Yes, and a substantially subpar one at that.

Yes, and a substantially subpar one at that.

*has pity*

My other computer has onboard video too.

*has pity*

My other computer has onboard video too.

It's not that it is just on-board, it is shitty on-board.

It's not that it is just on-board, it is shitty on-board.

Five year old shit onboard.

I'm waiting for more extensive hardware support before I move up to it. Really need a good 64 bit environment for 3d work though.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the nvidia 8800's already have driver support for vista?

I'm waiting for more extensive hardware support before I move up to it. Really need a good 64 bit environment for 3d work though.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the nvidia 8800's already have driver support for vista?
NVIDIA uses one driver for all their products, so this is a non-issue really.

Ok then, do their drivers support vista then? That's what I'd like to know.

I don't think our computer can run Vista :(

Just today I got a copy of Windows Vista Business Edition and installed it to my laptop. So far, I like it well enough. The interface is different than XP's, and the Aero interface is fun to play with. On the downside, I had some trouble connecting to my wireless network, since the controls are so different.

Just wondering what everyone's thoughts on Vista are. Has anyone else used it so far? What are your impressions?

Extensive use ... I like it as much as I like previous windows packages

Still a *nix fan but I have to support it at work so I have to have it.

NVIDIA uses one driver for all their products, so this is a non-issue really.

Vista has a seperate driver ... in fact vista 64 and x86 have seperate drivers themselfs

Guild Wars runs my XP laptop with 1GB of RAM down to double digits. Shitty Intel onboard, can't play half a dozen games I should be able to because it doesn't have some basic shaders. Too bad you can't put a new video card into a laptop.

There is a patch for that ... I have the DLL if ya need it, just drop it into the system 32 directory

It's alright. I've had a version of Beta 1 for a while now. Pretty nice except my the manufactures have yet to produce drivers and the idea to provide a generic driver for atheros chipsets has yet to enter MS's mind.

It is a bit disturbing that activities that require authentication do not require a password, but at least they made it into this decade security wise.

Well think of it as sudo in ubuntu on an admin account ... personaly I agree but it is not THAT out there and at least there is SOME human interface

rant begin;

All my friends (in computing) who have tried it say that it sucks. Heap of RAM eating swap gobbling CPU hogging eyecandy. Filled with more security holes than a colinder no-doubt.

rant end;

I heard that Vista won't let you use software that Microsoft hasn't approved or something. So, no homebrew software. Is that true?

afaict this is not true... only for drivers.

What I however consider really worrying is that the system has more rights than you, has folders, which it can access but you can not (even as admin), tries to phone home excessively, turns on the TCPA-chip in case it exists even though one specified in the BIOS not to allow that and still treats the user like a child.

But then, I am on Gentoo Linux, which treats a user not like a sane adult, but like a god of all things unix. Gentoo would not even dare to make a configuration for the USER, because only ROOT knows what is best.

screw Vista. Nsg works fine on XP, thus I am not upgrading.

I'll follow my tradition of never buying any Windows version, neither directly (as in buying the OS separately) nor indirectly (as I put my computers together myself. this school-provided laptop with a *gasp* legal windows copy being the exception). If I'll need Vista sometime in the future, I'll simply download it. I won't use it unless absolutely neccessary, though. No real improvements, just a ton of additional garbage; if I use it, it will be for compatibility with new stuff.

I only upgraded to XP (x64) from 2K in March, we're in no hurry to go to Vista ;)

Beta 2 looked quite nice. Shame no games worked. I might try RC1 one day. But for the amount they want me to pay for it they can bugger off, frankly.

Is Vista meant for business people or is it something the masses could use as well?

DirectX 10, the Next Big Thing for PC gaming.

Of course, the only reason it's not being ported to XP is because that way they wouldn't flog as many copies of Vista.

Is Vista meant for business people or is it something the masses could use as well?

rant begin;

All my friends (in computing) who have tried it say that it sucks. Heap of RAM eating swap gobbling CPU hogging eyecandy. Filled with more security holes than a colinder no-doubt.

rant end;

I am in the computing industry ... it is more of a hog then some other solutions but is no where neer as bad as they are making it sound. And it can be trimmed down if you dont want that eye candy

And to be fair by far and away most windows users do need to be treated like a child ...

QFT. And if there was a way to turn that off for power users, then everybody would be complaining about security holes.

afaict this is not true... only for drivers.

What I however consider really worrying is that the system has more rights than you, has folders, which it can access but you can not (even as admin), tries to phone home excessively, turns on the TCPA-chip in case it exists even though one specified in the BIOS not to allow that and still treats the user like a child.

But then, I am on Gentoo Linux, which treats a user not like a sane adult, but like a god of all things unix. Gentoo would not even dare to make a configuration for the USER, because only ROOT knows what is best.
There are other distros that treat you like a child as well

And to be fair by far and away most windows users do need to be treated like a child ...

I only upgraded to XP (x64) from 2K in March, we're in no hurry to go to Vista ;)

Beta 2 looked quite nice. Shame no games worked. I might try RC1 one day. But for the amount they want me to pay for it they can bugger off, frankly.

DX9 patch takes care of that actually ... there is just a dll drop

I was so excited when my games started to work again ...

Is Vista meant for business people or is it something the masses could use as well?

Both

Just for show and tell here is my vista box
(linked cause frame breaking is a no no and a 2880 wide image ...)

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/computers/dual.jpg

Vista has a seperate driver ... in fact vista 64 and x86 have seperate drivers themselfs
What I mean is, even without them adding specific support for the 8800, the driver should be able to get it to do 3D. Unlike ATi were each card needs its own driver.

What I mean is, even without them adding specific support for the 8800, the driver should be able to get it to do 3D. Unlike ATi were each card needs its own driver.

Very true I must have misunderstood ...

Well think of it as sudo in ubuntu on an admin account ... personaly I agree but it is not THAT out there and at least there is SOME human interface

But sudo at least requires a password. Windows, you can just press Continue and carry on.

But sudo at least requires a password. Windows, you can just press Continue and carry on.

Yeah but it is the same idea of an "Administrator" not being a true root account user

I dont like it for myself either but for general windows users ... maybe it will slow them down before installing shit

Very true I must have misunderstood ...

Which is prolly why nvidia is more popular on *nix. Nvidia could go 6 months without adding support for their next card (like ATi did with the X1*00 line) and you could still get functionality from the old drivers.

Yeah but it is the same idea of an "Administrator" not being a true root account user

I dont like it for myself either but for general windows users ... maybe it will slow them down before installing shit

Yeah, I set up a root password myself. I guess baby steps is at least some progress. This is the first time that users will see a proper permissions system.

They need to get rid of all the popups from the system tray at startup.

We have Vista on one machine now in our office. Vista is just more colorful, and most dlls don't work anymore. By now I have not found out what the real advantages would be, or why exactly a company should invest money into buying Vista licenses.

There are other distros that treat you like a child as well

And to be fair by far and away most windows users do need to be treated like a child ...
There are windows power-users... (even though I persuaded the one I know to switch to Linux)

We have Vista on one machine now in our office. Vista is just more colorful, and most dlls don't work anymore. By now I have not found out what the real advantages would be, or why exactly a company should invest money into buying Vista licenses.

Things like advanced resource monitoring capabilities ... to start with
A better user permissions scheme secondly

While more of a resource user it also is better abot re releasing resources tied up in applications

I found it to also have a smarter virtual memory system, kind of *nixish there

Edit: also forgot the whole new remote desktop/apps setup that should make large scale dumb workstations a lot bette

We have Vista on one machine now in our office. Vista is just more colorful, and most dlls don't work anymore. By now I have not found out what the real advantages would be, or why exactly a company should invest money into buying Vista licenses.
It has the potential to be allot more secure than XP. Networking has been redone, and the OS in general has been designed assuming that the user would have an internet connection (this hasn't been the case until XP SP2). Prefetching has been improved. Installers are not allowed to right to certain parts of the registry, to maintain backwards compatibility the installer will clone the registry and it will only be loaded when the program runs. Writes to the filesystem and registry will also be atomic, which is a significant new feature.

Does CATIA run on Vista?

Just today I got a copy of Windows Vista Business Edition and installed it to my laptop. So far, I like it well enough. The interface is different than XP's, and the Aero interface is fun to play with. On the downside, I had some trouble connecting to my wireless network, since the controls are so different.

Just wondering what everyone's thoughts on Vista are. Has anyone else used it so far? What are your impressions?

I'm thinking either Mac OS X Tiger or Windows Vista. But both companies have pricing taht's so high it's criminal.

I'm thinking either Mac OS X Tiger or Windows Vista. But both companies have pricing taht's so high it's criminal.
(Kubuntu) Linux is free!

(Kubuntu) Linux is free!

Kde Yuck

Kde Yuck
^2

Vista is evil.

the min price in the UK (retail) though you can probably get it cheaper if you hunt around is £219 (thats about $430US) and there's so many different types just getting more expensive.

It's riddled with microsoft's own software to keep tabs on what you do and when. Microsoft itself is ONLY about power now. It just wants control over everything it can touch. And Im not being cynical or paranoid.

This is shown in part by the fact that MS is NOT going to port DX10 to windows XP. It could do it but it won't because it wants to force people into the "next generation".

The shape of things to come (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html)

So I say NO to microsoft on this one. I'm moving entirely to Linux once XP is no longer good as a games platform and donating to WINE instead.

THe whole idea of sudo/root in Kubuntu is demented.

No, you do not understand.

I dislike a system with separate root-access privileges.

It makes sense on network computers when there are other people then the owner/admin using it, whom he does not trust.

However, when I'm the only user, it's silly.

I want a system that actually trusts me to use the PC.

THe whole idea of sudo/root in Kubuntu is demented.
I also prefer to have a dedicated root-user. One main reason: I can type my user-password in all kinds of states: overtired, drunk and so on... My root-password is periodically changed so I do not manage that and my system is therefore protected from a stupid Rejis.

I dislike a system with separate root-access privileges.
I prefer a system, where malware, I happen to encounter does not run with administrator privileges.

It makes sense on network computers when there are other people then the owner/admin using it, whom he does not trust.

However, when I'm the only user, it's silly.
You trust all programs on your PC? some alpha-state programs are so alpha that I would not trust them to run sudoed.



I want a system that actually trusts me to use the PC.
Well, it trusts you to use the system, it does not trust everyone else who happens to be near the PC to use the computer. you, the user can always sudo a program to make it run.