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I don't know. Preemptive nuclear strike maybe? That always struck me as a great first option.

EDIT: Why is jolt fucking up the space-time continuum today?

Go china! Kill those evil american prudes! :fluffle: :D lol

EDIT: WHAT. THE. FUCK?!?! :eek: (jolt's screwing up BIG TIME!)

If anyone has any question on who China perceives as a future potential adversary here is your evidence. What kind of defensive measures can the US and Nato employ to thwart this kind of missle. Kinetic weapons would be hard to stop in space I would think.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/01/18/china.missile/index.html

china is not now and never will be our enemy. let them develop whatever systems they want that can make them feel safe. its all to the good.

What kind of defensive meaures can the US and Nato employ to thwart this kind of missle.
Nuke China now.

That's pretty much it. Satellites are incredibly vulnerable to attack

Wooo! Militaristic space monkeys with nukkeleor laz0rs!!!! Sci-fi goodies!

The Chinese are not space monkeys. They live here on earth, and like all other humans they are shaved apes.

china is not now and never will be our enemy. let them develop whatever systems they want that can make them feel safe. its all to the good.

Actually hope your right. I dont think they would risk there trade empire but you never know.

If anyone has any question on who China perceives as a future potential adversary here is your evidence. What kind of defensive meaures can the US and Nato employ to thwart this kind of missle. Kinetic weapons would be hard to stop in space I would think.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/01/18/china.missile/index.html

Why should this be a surprise to anyone.
The US has set the scene with its aggressive stance to the world.

Other countries either prepare to defend themselves surreptitiously or demonstrate they have the power to defend themselves successfully.

Wooo! Militaristic space monkeys with nukkeleor laz0rs!!!! Sci-fi goodies!

The policy includes the right to "deny, if necessary, adversaries the use of space capabilities hostile to U.S. national interests."


What arrogance! The Administration asserts the right to deny our adversaries space capabilities hostile to our interests, but we protest their ability to deny space capabilities hostileto theirs?

I know I'm the crazy one here, but that seems rather nutty to me. :p

Ummm...the US had/has an ASAT program. I wouldn't be suprised if there were still a few dozen in the inventory. Not to mention what the eggheads at Area 51 have on the shelf.

Actually hope your right. I dont think they would risk there trade empire but you never know.

the only problem between us is taiwan and i dont think we would really fight for taiwan's freedom. im not sure that taiwan would go to war for its own freedom rather than go for a more "hongkong" kind of solution.

outside of that, we have no fight with china.

Actually hope your right. I dont think they would risk there trade empire but you never know.
No one lifted a finger to stop them when they invaded Tibet. China will use force to get what it wants.

Why should this be a surprise to anyone.
The US has set the scene with its aggressive stance to the world.

Other countries either prepare to defend themselves surreptitiously or demonstrate they have the power to defend themselves successfully.


Well that is a fact and will continue to go in that general direction. Although I don't think that any other nation with the power as the US has militarily and economically would do much different. I mean if you have to be in a pecking order it is best to be on top of it.

I still on the fence if this is a demonstration of defense against a US attack or a demonstration of growing offensive abilities. The Chinese are strange people in how they think compared to western minds. Do any type of business with them on a regular basis and you will see what I mean. So it is difficult to ascertain the motives on this one.

Nuke China now.

lol, I 'agree' :D

The Chinese are strange people in how they think compared to western minds.
Yeah, I think we have everything we need from this sentence.

No one lifted a finger to stop them when they invaded Tibet. China will use force to get what it wants.

very true, but what do they want? they have taken just about everything they feel they have a claim on, with the exception of taiwan. there is no reason to think they want any of our great allies in asia--japan, the phillipines, south korea. so what would make us go to war?

Yeah, I think we have everything we need from this sentence.

So there are no fundamental differences in thought between East and West? I'm sure many would disagree.

The only thing this allows them to do is destroy satelites orbitting over china. That means they could shoot down US/UK/UN/Russian satelites orbitting over China doing imagery runs.

We've been able to do this since the 80's with F15s.

Yeah, I think we have everything we need from this sentence.


The chinese have very long memory spans.

What is actually the point of destroying satellites? I mean, I can understand spy satellites, but it still doesn't seem worth all the metal and rocket fuel...

What arrogance! The Administration asserts the right to deny our adversaries space capabilities hostile to our interests, but we protest their ability to deny space capabilities hostileto theirs?

I know I'm the crazy one here, but that seems rather nutty to me. :p


Didn't you know, the US owns space! Thats right, we landed on the moon so we called dibs. Screw the Russians even if they made it up there first, they ran out of money so we win!

How dare those Chinese bastards!!!

(For those who don't get it, I'm being sarcastic here...)

Personally I think the criminal White House can go to hell on this issue. As if the US didnt already posess such capabilities, so much arrgance!!! Another reason for the world to hate us even more....
:rolleyes:

If anyone has any question on who China perceives as a future potential adversary here is your evidence. What kind of defensive measures can the US and Nato employ to thwart this kind of missle. Kinetic weapons would be hard to stop in space I would think.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/01/18/china.missile/index.html

The tech is almost 20 years old. It means nothing.

So that is why my call was dropped!

very true, but what do they want? they have taken just about everything they feel they have a claim on, with the exception of taiwan. there is no reason to think they want any of our great allies in asia--japan, the phillipines, south korea. so what would make us go to war?

Just hypothetical thinking. I would think that any possible war with China vs US and or US and allies would be over resources in a third location that both nations covet. That is where a possible conflict may occur in my opinion.

What arrogance! The Administration asserts the right to deny our adversaries space capabilities hostile to our interests, but we protest their ability to deny space capabilities hostileto theirs?

I know I'm the crazy one here, but that seems rather nutty to me. :p

What's so nutty about that?

"Only I can have these toys! You can't have them. If you buy it, I'll smash it"

Sounds like an overgrown kid to me.

So there are no fundamental differences in thought between East and West? I'm sure many would disagree.

There are differences in thought. But to say that not a single person in China even thinks remotely like anyone in the Western world?

The tech is almost 20 years old. It means nothing.

It's not difficult to shoot down a satellite. Some simple math, a guided missile, and some programming and you've got yourself a sat killer. The US can do it, the Russians can do it, and now the Chinese can do it. Nothing to get our panties in a bundle over.

What is actually the point of destroying satellites? I mean, I can understand spy satellites, but it still doesn't seem worth all the metal and rocket fuel...

Know thine enemy...

china is not now and never will be our enemy.

ROFLMAO

ASAT capability, while tactically defensive, is strategically defensive.

Under a space policy authorized by President Bush in August, the United States asserts a right to "freedom of action in space"

Yet...

The United States logged a formal diplomatic protest.





OH.....so the US must mean "freedom of action (for us) in space".

Got it now.

ROFLMAO

why would you find that funny?

we didnt even invade them in the korean war.

the only problem between us is taiwan and i dont think we would really fight for taiwan's freedom. im not sure that taiwan would go to war for its own freedom rather than go for a more "hongkong" kind of solution.

outside of that, we have no fight with china.

well well, someone read the CNN online blurb about this issue! haha

why would you find that funny?

The "they're not our enemies" bit cracked me up.

Yet...







OH.....so the US must mean "freedom of action (for us) in space".

Got it now.

QFT.

I mean we always knew about the gaping holes of contradiction in US foreign policy, but this makes it all the more funny and obvious.

You notice when it's an issue the US has no control over, like NK or whatnot, their all cooperation and friendliness, but when China exercises a sovereign right, they close ranks and try and alienate them. Shame.

Also, it is just me, or does that White House Snow guy come off as a bit of a tool.

And yes, the USA and Russia both own space. We're just letting the Euros and Chinese borrow it until World War III.

Nuke China now.

That's pretty much it. Satellites are incredibly vulnerable to attack

I can't help thinking you were born after 1980.

QFT.

I mean we always knew about the gaping holes of contradiction in US foreign policy, but this makes it all the more funny and obvious.

You notice when it's an issue the US has no control over, like NK or whatnot, their all cooperation and friendliness, but when China exercises a sovereign right, they close ranks and try and alienate them. Shame.

Also, it is just me, or does that White House Snow guy come off as a bit of a tool.

you might want to start a new thread on this but to me tony snow comes off as the worst tool ever. i think its because he is a smart, articulate man who is lying his ass off and it shows. it was easier to believe that the previous guys were either clueless or actually believed the crap they were spouting at least a little bit.

Well, there's nothing for it. We'll just have to annex the moon. Let's see them shoot down that satellite.

Yeah, but that also could also up the pathway to lunar Star Wars style battles.

Nice try china, we did that decades ago.

Yet...







OH.....so the US must mean "freedom of action (for us) in space".

Got it now.

Why do the US hate freedom so much

China should spend its money on putting more satellites and facilities in space rather than shooting them down...you're going to gain a lot more influence and economic strength tapping the opportunities of space than you will with missiles.

China and the US could never afford to go to war with each other. The 9 kazillion dollars in paper that China holds of American debt guarentes a friendly business relationship. Plus if Americans become attached to wearing clothes then they need China equally as badly.

Ooooo, an other Cold War...

This one shall be interesting, because nowadays theres more than two Superpowers.

Meh, Europe and India will be chilling in back garden with some drinks if you need us.

This is the life... :cool:

Ooooo, an other Cold War...

This one shall be interesting, because nowadays theres more than two Superpowers.

Meh, Europe and India will be chilling in back garden with some drinks if you need us.

This is the life... :cool:

India will someday be a superpower. China might be one as well. Europe isn't even a coutry. It's a trading bloc. There is still only one superpower. Swaziland.

Plus if Americans become attached to wearing clothes then they need China equally as badly.

Nah, we'd still have Bangladesh, Honduras, Pakistan and Indonesia to turn out that stuff and lets not forget Mexico.

I'm not so sure another cold war would be a bad thing. The test might just get the US to invest more into space, even if it is the militarization of space some technologies should filter down into civilian areas. I wonder does the US have any systems to or even any idea on how to defend satellites?

The "they're not our enemies" bit cracked me up.

Indeed, it's sooooooo funny. Especially when we consider how many wars, death-threats, flag burnings or near-war incidents the USA has had with China.

The US and China are *not* "enemies", anyone who says otherwise are scare-mongers and enjoy making things up out of thin air. The only thing that can actually make the two countries go to war is Taiwan and even then it's unlikely to escalate into a full-blown one.

China itself has had a long history of being invaded rather being one to invade others. Not to mention, modern wars for moderately developed countries are always unprofitable, any sort of war that can be profitable would end up escalating into something much larger than intended due to personal interests in an increasingly globalised world. Warmongers waste money, theory-crafting warmongers waste time.