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The district began using the product 10 months ago, but just told the students about the switch Thursday.

I really hope that they get sued.

Z Trim, which has no fat, is made from the hulls of corn, oats, soy, rice and barley. It was developed by a scientists at a U.S. Department of Agriculture lab in Illinois in the mid-1990s.

in case you guys are wondering why, some of the most common allergies are corn, soy, wheat........do we see a problem?

oh, yeah, and most of the people who have issues with wheat do because of the gluten in it, which is also found in barley and oats.

:headbang:

I don't really care what they make this stuff out of, but it's not something you should keep a secret, people can get really sick.

in case you guys are wondering why, some of the most common allergies are corn, soy, wheat........

I thought it'd be peanuts, or dust, or pollen.

that's just so stupid!

I thought it'd be peanuts, or dust, or pollen.

sorry food allergies.

the big 8

wheat
corn
soy
tree nuts
peanuts
rice
milk
shellfish

Yea that's fucked up Smunk.I thought it'd be peanuts, or dust, or pollen.Gluten allergy is pretty common. PEanust & the like are cause by pollen allergies. Think it's called a cross-response or something like that.

That is pretty messed up. Could kill someone.

That's pretty fucked up. I guess they don't care about the potential lawsuits if a bunch of kids get sick or die.

Don't see any problem with what they did. Normally, the schools don't have to publish the ingredients of all their food stuffs that they sell.

Now if people asked and they purposely withheld the info (secret sauce)... then that's different.

Don't see any problem with what they did. Normally, the schools don't have to publish the ingredients of all their food stuffs that they sell.

Now if people asked and they purposely withheld the info (secret sauce)... then that's different.

actually they do have to. There must be an ingredient list available to anyone who asks, the fact that they were 'keeping it secret' is a problem, when ingredients changed they have to supply a new list.

not really all that bad, but they could have probably asked if there were people with said allergies. but i doubt if they eat school meals anyway, the stuff they are allergic to is pretty common in other foods too.

not really all that bad, but they could have probably asked if there were people with said allergies. but i doubt if they eat school meals anyway, the stuff they are allergic to is pretty common in other foods too.

there are certain things that I can eat places, if they change the recipe or ingredients I really need to know that.

to change the ingredients on something and not tell anyone is just plain wrong.

I guess I see a side of this that most others around here don't.

This is the height of stupid.

there are certain things that I can eat places, if they change the recipe or ingredients I really need to know that.

to change the ingredients on something and not tell anyone is just plain wrong.

I guess I see a side of this that most others around here don't.

so when you were a kid did you eat the food from school? or what did you do?

i'm totaly unfamiliar with american school meals btw *points at location*

so when you were a kid did you eat the food from school? or what did you do?

i'm totaly unfamiliar with american school meals btw *points at location*

I wasn't diagnosed when I was a child so I was just really sick all the time. My kids are home schooled, but I know other kids who have celiac disease (gluten intolerance) who do go to school and they basically get a list at the beginning of the month with all the meals and an ingredient statement, they eat what they can at school and bring their lunch otherwise.

I am still kind of mad at Mc Donalds for putting their french fries on the gluten free list and then coming out a year later and saying "oh, we think they have wheat in them". There is no way for us (celiacs) to find out what we can and can't eat unless we get full and accurate statements of ingredients.

actually they do have to. There must be an ingredient list available to anyone who asks, the fact that they were 'keeping it secret' is a problem, when ingredients changed they have to supply a new list.they wern't "Keeping it a secret" but they didn't publish it either, bascially, if you wanted to know, you had to ask (as you pointed out.)

My parents, nor I never recieved any listing of ingredients for any food from our schools and the items were changed frequently (some of the unpopular dressings for salads dissapeared and new ones took their place, yet no notification was sent out.)

Now the article does not state that parents of children who have special dietary needs were not informed (via letter or whatnot) that the changes were being made. but it does state that there was NO PUBLIC notification of the details of the change until months later. they could say "the cafeteria is changing their dressing for a lower fat one, if you require the ingrediants, contact #######" which is not to say that they're keeping it a secret.

apparently, tho, some form of publication was being made since the makers of the Z-fat, or whatever (the article now requires a login...) was keeping track of the schools efforts to make the foods healthier.

Now, if any student was adversly affected, then a lawsuit is an option, and one I am not saying can't be done. but I think the school was keeping a close eye on things there.

they wern't "Keeping it a secret" but they didn't publish it either, bascially, if you wanted to know, you had to ask (as you pointed out.)

My parents, nor I never recieved any listing of ingredients for any food from our schools and the items were changed frequently (some of the unpopular dressings for salads dissapeared and new ones took their place, yet no notification was sent out.)

Now the article does not state that parents of children who have special dietary needs were not informed (via letter or whatnot) that the changes were being made. but it does state that there was NO PUBLIC notification of the details of the change until months later. they could say "the cafeteria is changing their dressing for a lower fat one, if you require the ingrediants, contact #######" which is not to say that they're keeping it a secret.

apparently, tho, some form of publication was being made since the makers of the Z-fat, or whatever (the article now requires a login...) was keeping track of the schools efforts to make the foods healthier.

Now, if any student was adversly affected, then a lawsuit is an option, and one I am not saying can't be done. but I think the school was keeping a close eye on things there.

they didn't say they were changing it at all. earlier in the article the principal says "well, it's hard to get them to eat healthy if they know it"

they kept it a secret.

Jeeze. Besides people dander, water, and oxygen, what aren't people allergic to?

I'd cry if I was allergic to anything.

Do schools follow gluten free diets for lunches?

they are supposed to under NCLB laws, but I wouldn't ever trust them to.

Jeeze. Besides people dander, water, and oxygen, what aren't people allergic to?

Perhaps there were embryos allergic to water or oxygen, that were thusly miscarried?

Jeeze. Besides people dander, water, and oxygen, what aren't people allergic to?
... there are people allergic to dander...

sorry food allergies.

the big 8

wheat
corn
soy
tree nuts
peanuts
rice
milk
shellfish

I'd cry if I was allergic to anything.

Do schools follow gluten free diets for lunches?

announcing a change in the dressing with a stamp "new" is notification. The article only said if they "knew they were eating healthy." after all, it also said that they stopped eating the fat free ranch dressing... so why go back to it (the new ranch) if they thought that it was the fat free one? unless they were just told it was a new type/brand of ranch dressing but the ingrediants were not voluntarily released.

they don't have to say "Healthy", but "New"

and it doesn't say that they didn't provide the ingredient list to those who asked.

I don't think they even said 'new' though.

... there are people allergic to dander...

I know people can be allergic to pet dander, but people dander? Since they're allergic to themselves, why bother trying to keep them alive? They're better off not constantly being the allergin they're allergic to.

they didn't say they were changing it at all. earlier in the article the principal says "well, it's hard to get them to eat healthy if they know it"

they kept it a secret.announcing a change in the dressing with a stamp "new" is notification. The article only said if they "knew they were eating healthy." after all, it also said that they stopped eating the fat free ranch dressing... so why go back to it (the new ranch) if they thought that it was the fat free one? unless they were just told it was a new type/brand of ranch dressing but the ingrediants were not voluntarily released.

they don't have to say "Healthy", but "New"

and it doesn't say that they didn't provide the ingredient list to those who asked.

I know people can be allergic to pet dander, but people dander? Since they're allergic to themselves, why bother trying to keep them alive? They're better off not constantly being the allergin they're allergic to.

autoallergy (http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/autoallergy) does exist.

EDIT: after a little research i found that it is quite 'common'. rheuma and MS for instance, here is a list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_autoimmune_diseases)

I know people can be allergic to pet dander, but people dander? Since they're allergic to themselves, why bother trying to keep them alive? They're better off not constantly being the allergin they're allergic to.

then specify people dander. after all, you have pet dander...

we don't know that tho. the article doesn't state whether they did or not at the school itself, it only states that they publically announced the ingrediants months later.

not that they kept the ingrediants a secret and denying anyone who asks the info.
I have word from people that there are kids who got sick and didn't know why. That their ingredient list at the beginning of the month had not changed, not for the whole school year, and they got sick.

* Me likely this time warp thing... * :D

it's making me dizzy.

I don't think they even said 'new' though.
we don't know that tho. the article doesn't state whether they did or not at the school itself, it only states that they publically announced the ingrediants months later.

not that they kept the ingrediants a secret and denying anyone who asks the info.

* Me likely this time warp thing... * :D

they are supposed to under NCLB laws, but I wouldn't ever trust them to.

I wouldn't trust them either. I was going to ask the lunch ladies one day if the food was gluten free, but I have a feeling no even the main person would know what I'm talking about..

I think the only thing that could be gluten free at my school is a salad with no dressing, and a baked potato with nothing on it.

PS: Jolt is horribly fux0r'd today. :(

I just got an email from the company that said

Z Trim is gluten free and completely safe. I would feel better if you would have asked instead of making an accusation however I do understand your concern. We are very sensitive to the health of the kids and everyone who uses Z Trim.

I emailed back that it can't be gluten free if it is made from barley and oats, and am waiting for a reply.

I have word from people that there are kids who got sick and didn't know why. That their ingredient list at the beginning of the month had not changed, not for the whole school year, and they got sick. now at this point, they withheld the ingrediants, or what might be worse, is that the school didn't get the ingrediant list from the company until now. but either way, the situation has now changed, because to their knowledge they were told that the ingrediants didn't change.

the school offical who told those parents/students that the ingrediants didn't change opened the school up to a lawsuit.

however,


it's making me dizzy.
*pictures a dizzy Smunkee.* :D

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/living/health/16491241.htm



I really hope that they get sued.



in case you guys are wondering why, some of the most common allergies are corn, soy, wheat........do we see a problem?

oh, yeah, and most of the people who have issues with wheat do because of the gluten in it, which is also found in barley and oats.

:headbang:

I don't really care what they make this stuff out of, but it's not something you should keep a secret, people can get really sick.

You're in a position to know, aren't you? That could have easily been one of your own children eating that low fat dressing. That could have been disastrous. *nod*

So what would you suggest? They put the fat back into the dressing (I'm still really suprised American students eat salad...)? I don't see any sense in jeopardising the health of the majority for the sake of a minority. Its the allergetics responsibility to find out what they are eating.

I'd also like to use this oppurtunity to thank the work of the inventors of 'Z-Trim' and agricultural scientists in general for their entirely thankless role in attempting to stave off a Malthusian crisis. Without them there would be world-wide famine, but their importance is constantly knocked by the fear-mongering media.

So what would you suggest? They put the fat back into the dressing (I'm still really suprised American students eat salad...)? I don't see any sense in jeopardising the health of the majority for the sake of a minority. Its the allergetics responsibility to find out what they are eating.

lets see if you understand, the students have a list of ingredients in everything, the school changes something and doesn't update the list.

now do you see the problem?

So what would you suggest? They put the fat back into the dressing (I'm still really suprised American students eat salad...)? I don't see any sense in jeopardising the health of the majority for the sake of a minority. Its the allergetics responsibility to find out what they are eating.

I'd also like to use this oppurtunity to thank the work of the inventors of 'Z-Trim' and agricultural scientists in general for their entirely thankless role in attempting to stave off a Malthusian crisis. Without them there would be world-wide famine, but their importance is constantly knocked by the fear-mongering media.

YES. for god's sake they SNUCK salad dressing onto the salad bar that can make kids sick.

how the hell is anyone supposed to send their kids to a school that has such reckless disregard for their health?

I just got an email from the company that said

Z Trim is gluten free and completely safe. I would feel better if you would have asked instead of making an accusation however I do understand your concern. We are very sensitive to the health of the kids and everyone who uses Z Trim.

I emailed back that it can't be gluten free if it is made from barley and oats, and am waiting for a reply.

From what I've read, it is possible to process many grains in such a way that the gluten is removed.

Of course, from what I've read, oats don't naturally have gluten. It is only through contamination with other grains that oat products end up containing gluten.

*shrug*

I just got an email from the company that said

Z Trim is gluten free and completely safe. I would feel better if you would have asked instead of making an accusation however I do understand your concern. We are very sensitive to the health of the kids and everyone who uses Z Trim.

I emailed back that it can't be gluten free if it is made from barley and oats, and am waiting for a reply.

I am interested in their reply...

lets see if you understand, the students have a list of ingredients in everything, the school changes something and doesn't update the list.

now do you see the problem?

If that it is what is going on here, there does seem to be some confusion about how evident the school decided to make it. While of course its disgraceful for a school to make its pupil's sick through negligence, this isn't Z-Trim's fault.

I'm still really suprised American students eat salad...
:rolleyes: is all I have to say.
Its the allergetics responsibility to find out what they are eating.
But they had no reason to suspect a change.

If that it is what is going on here, there does seem to be some confusion about how evident the school decided to make it. While of course its disgraceful for a school to make its pupil's sick through negligence, this isn't Z-Trim's fault.

no youre right, its not z-trims fault. the school district has a responsibility to know what is in the food it is serving and to inform parents/students of any changes that might affect their health.

This story infuriates me. It reminds me of when those bastards replaced my regular coffee with Folger's crystals.

That is pretty messed up. Could kill someone.
Story of the US food industry, thanks to deregulation.

Why are we so upset because 2 or 3 out of a couple thousand kids got a stomach ache? And you can process grains so that the gluten is removed I think, thats how they get gluten-free bread.

This story infuriates me. It reminds me of when those bastards replaced my regular coffee with Folger's crystals.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1491409912

:D

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/living/health/16491241.htm



I really hope that they get sued.



in case you guys are wondering why, some of the most common allergies are corn, soy, wheat........do we see a problem?

oh, yeah, and most of the people who have issues with wheat do because of the gluten in it, which is also found in barley and oats.

:headbang:

I don't really care what they make this stuff out of, but it's not something you should keep a secret, people can get really sick.

I'm not the brightest individual, but even I can see the problem with that. Sorta makes ya think huh? :p

So what would you suggest? They put the fat back into the dressing (I'm still really suprised American students eat salad...)? I don't see any sense in jeopardising the health of the majority for the sake of a minority. Its the allergetics responsibility to find out what they are eating.

I'd also like to use this oppurtunity to thank the work of the inventors of 'Z-Trim' and agricultural scientists in general for their entirely thankless role in attempting to stave off a Malthusian crisis. Without them there would be world-wide famine, but their importance is constantly knocked by the fear-mongering media.

I haven't eaten a salad in months. Every now and then I'll have one, but it's on a rare occasion, when the main course calls for it. Such as a Steak, Potato, and salad.