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I am watchin this on CNN rigth now..

so maybe we did not give them enough body armor?

Or maybe we disbanded a perfectly good National Iraqi Army 4 years ago, and let them slink off with their guns, thereby inadvertedly creating the embryo of the Iraqi insurgency. When it comes to the New Iraqi Army, I say they should have only dismissed senior officers, and placed the Iraqi army under US/UK command and reformed the existing army from the inside.

The way it is now, the bulk of the Iraqi Army is made up of raw recruits, whilst the veterans have now joined the insurgency. Not to mention you can hardly call them a regular army in the first place. Like every government branch in Iraq, it is split amongst sectarian lines, where Sunni and Shia troops engage each other in gunfights, capture towns and fire on oppositely-aligned government ministries.

It's ridiculous.

Seeing how "properly" equipped the U.S. soldiers were/are this doesn't surprise me at all.

Seeing how "properly" equipped the U.S. soldiers were/are this doesn't surprise me at all.

Seeing OD's post history, it doesn't surprise me that he's blaming the US yet again. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he were to start a thread claiming that the US causes cancer.

US downplays Maliki 'criticism' by Laurent Lozano
53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States on downplayed remarks by Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki on the US war plan for Iraq, denying they amounted to sharp criticism of President George W. Bush.

The White House expressed confidence in the Iraqi leader, on whom Bush has placed a heavy burden of responsibility for cracking down on militias and pushing political reconciliation.

Maliki said earlier in newspaper interviews that the US could dramatically cut troop numbers in Iraq if it offered sufficient weapons to Iraqi forces..

http://news.yahoo.com/

I wouldn't be surprised if he were to start a thread claiming that the US causes cancer. the Tobacco companies are responsible for lung cancer.. not the US gov..
Unless you can prove that they make very big "contributions" to both parties.
Seeing OD's post history, it doesn't surprise me that he's blaming the US yet again. if you read the OP you will see that its Malaki (not me), Malaki..the so-called Prime minister of Iraq saying Bush is not givem them enough "tools".

Now why don't you link to the actual story so we can see what you selectively edited? I have posted the first 6 lines.. not the full report

usually the first lines are the most relevant ones.

the full report has 60 lines.
here if you want it all:
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US downplays Maliki 'criticism' by Laurent Lozano
53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States on downplayed remarks by Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki on the US war plan for Iraq, denying they amounted to sharp criticism of President George W. Bush.


The White House expressed confidence in the Iraqi leader, on whom Bush has placed a heavy burden of responsibility for cracking down on militias and pushing political reconciliation.

Maliki said earlier in newspaper interviews that the United States could dramatically cut troop numbers in Iraq if it offered sufficient weapons to Iraqi forces, and dismissed a statement by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that his government was on "borrowed time."

"I dispute the characterization that he was very critical of the president," White House spokesman Tony Snow said, when asked whether Washington was bristling at Maliki's comments.

"What you have is that one statement, which he's said before. And we've said that it's important to make sure that there's more money, training and equipment for the Iraqi forces."

"This is another indication that here's a guy who is serious about taking on full responsibility when it comes to providing security within Iraq."

In the interview with foreign newspaper reporters in Baghdad, Maliki said the insurgency had been longer and more violent than necessary because Washington had refused to sufficiently arm Iraqi forces.

"If we succeed in implementing the agreement between us to speed up the equipping and providing weapons to our military forces, I think that within three to six months, our need for American troops will dramatically go down," he said.

Snow also downplayed the idea that a widening rift between Bush and Maliki had been revealed by the US president's most strident remarks yet on the chaotic execution of Saddam Hussein.

Bush said in an interview Tuesday that the manner of the hanging was reminiscent of a "revenge killing."

"There's just a disagreement between the two of them on that," Snow said.

Maliki also rounded on Rice's warning last week that though she believed he was resolute, his government was, "in a sense, on borrowed time."

"You certainly haven't heard statements like that from this podium, nor have you heard them from the president," Snow said.

Maliki said in the interview that Rice was "expressing her own point of view if she thinks that the government is on borrowed time."

"I don't think we are on borrowed time," he said, adding that such comments boost extremists' morale.

State Department deputy spokesman Tom Casey put Maliki's remarks down to frustration that progress in Iraq had not "moved as far or as fast as we'd like."

Rice's comments reflected the fact that Iraqis needed to see results from the Maliki government, Casey said.

Signs of US government impatience with the Iraqi premier have mounted for months, ranging from a slow boil of discontent expressed by anonymous officials in US newspapers through the middle of last year to an explosive memo written by national security adviser Stephen Hadley.

The secret assessment, leaked just before Bush and Maliki met in Jordan in November, raised doubts about Maliki's ability to control sectarian violence.

"The reality on the streets of Baghdad suggests Maliki is either ignorant of what is going on, misrepresenting his intentions or that his capabilities are not yet sufficient to turn his good intentions into action," part of the memo, published in the New York Times, said.

Eyebrows were raised more recently when Maliki waited three days before responding to Bush's high-profile announcement of a new plan for Iraq last week with somewhat lukewarm comments.

Bush aides, however, said Maliki had already publicly endorsed many of the principles of Bush's new approach, in a speech made days before the US plan was unveiled.



here is the link
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070118/pl_afp/usiraqbushmaliki_070118175646

US downplays Maliki 'criticism' by Laurent Lozano
53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States on downplayed remarks by Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki on the US war plan for Iraq, denying they amounted to sharp criticism of President George W. Bush.

The White House expressed confidence in the Iraqi leader, on whom Bush has placed a heavy burden of responsibility for cracking down on militias and pushing political reconciliation.

Maliki said earlier in newspaper interviews that the US could dramatically cut troop numbers in Iraq if it offered sufficient weapons to Iraqi forces..



http://news.yahoo.com/

Now why don't you link to the actual story so we can see what you selectively edited?

Now why don't you link to the actual story so we can see what you selectively edited?

for fucks sake, the story exists, its all over the news, there was a direct quote from the Iraqi pm

even the puppet wants the americans out

for fucks sake, the story exists, its all over the news, there was a direct quote from the Iraqi pm

even the puppet wants the americans out

For fucks sake, maybe I like to see the source and what was edited out of it, but we all know OD would never do that, right?

Other reports have different parts of the speeches:

"We have to see how the situation in the field will go," he was quoted as saying. "We cannot rule out that the situation will drastically improve, allowing U.S. troops to leave the country in great numbers in three to six months."...

However, Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh dismissed the reported criticism of the Bush government.

"The news circulated by the media about the Iraqi prime minister's declaration regarding relations with American administration are baseless," he said, according to Iraqi state television.

Al-Dabbagh also told a news conference the Iraqi military budget this year is $8 billion, but it needs more for proper training, recruiting and equipment.

"We feel Iraqi needs for equipment (are) more than that money," he said, speaking in English. "We are expecting also assistance and help from the multinational forces in order to have proper training and manning as well as arming the Iraqi force."

and look. a source originally provided:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070118/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

LONDON (AFP) - The United States could dramatically and quickly cut its troop presence in Iraq if it provided enough weapons to the country's security forces, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has said.

Maliki called for greater US support for Iraqi troops in an interview with a group of foreign correspondents in Baghdad. Several newspapers, including the Times of London, the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times reported his comments Thursday.

Maliki said the Iraqi insurgency was more violent and longer than it should have been because the US refused to give more arms.

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and since we all know Kecibukia will say I invented all this.. here iz da link.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070118/wl_mideast_afp/usiraqmilitarypolitics_070118110714

LONDON (AFP) - The United States could dramatically and quickly cut its troop presence in Iraq if it provided enough weapons to the country's security forces, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has said.

Maliki called for greater US support for Iraqi troops in an interview with a group of foreign correspondents in Baghdad. Several newspapers, including the Times of London, the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times reported his comments Thursday.

Maliki said the Iraqi insurgency was more violent and longer than it should have been because the US refused to give more arms.

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and since we all know Kecibukia will say I invented all this.. here iz da link.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070118/wl_mideast_afp/usiraqmilitarypolitics_070118110714



Oops, try again OD. I didn't say you "invented" anything, only that you selectively edit w/o providing links. Now dismiss the fact that his own office is playing down the invective.

Now dismiss the fact that his own office is playing down the invective.I see no "playing down" from his office.
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/us_armed_forces
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iraq

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Wait.. you mean Bush.. or Malaki office?

I see no "playing down" from his office. ____ Wait.. you mean Bush.. or Malaki office?
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/us_armed_forces
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iraq

Try reading the link I posted as well as the quotes above.

US downplays Maliki 'criticism' by Laurent Lozano
53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States on downplayed remarks by Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki on the US war plan for Iraq, denying they amounted to sharp criticism of President George W. Bush.

The White House expressed confidence in the Iraqi leader, on whom Bush has placed a heavy burden of responsibility for cracking down on militias and pushing political reconciliation.

Maliki said earlier in newspaper interviews that the US could dramatically cut troop numbers in Iraq if it offered sufficient weapons to Iraqi forces..

http://news.yahoo.com/

This means that Maliki says we can leave if we give him the weapons to enable his friends, the Shiite militias, to commit genocide against the Sunnis who used to run Iraq.

Oh, and make sure we leave, so no one sees what happens next.

This means that Maliki says we can leave if we give him the weapons to enable his friends, the Shiite militias, to commit genocide against the Sunnis who used to run Iraq. so.. You say the Army of Iraq should have no weapons?

Or maybe we disbanded a perfectly good National Iraqi Army 4 years ago, and let them slink off with their guns, thereby inadvertedly creating the embryo of the Iraqi insurgency. When it comes to the New Iraqi Army, I say they should have only dismissed senior officers, and placed the Iraqi army under US/UK command and reformed the existing army from the inside.

The way it is now, the bulk of the Iraqi Army is made up of raw recruits, whilst the veterans have now joined the insurgency. Not to mention you can hardly call them a regular army in the first place. Like every government branch in Iraq, it is split amongst sectarian lines, where Sunni and Shia troops engage each other in gunfights, capture towns and fire on oppositely-aligned government ministries.

It's ridiculous.
While I never agreed with the war in the first place, I agree with your summary of it.

[QUOTE=OcceanDrive2;12224801]US downplays Maliki 'criticism' by Laurent Lozano
53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States on downplayed remarks by Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki on the US war plan for Iraq, denying they amounted to sharp criticism of President George W. Bush.

The White House expressed confidence in the Iraqi leader, on whom Bush has placed a heavy burden of responsibility for cracking down on militias and pushing political reconciliation.

Maliki said earlier in newspaper interviews that the US could dramatically cut troop numbers in Iraq if it offered sufficient weapons to Iraqi forces..

this doesnt necessarily mean that Iraqi troops and police arent armed or armored, only that they are ill-armored to stave off attacks from militants.

seeing as the militants still have some shoulder-fired weapons that the US gave them back in the Iraq-Iran war and AK-47s that they got from Russia...

*reads topic title*

*gasp* If we fail to properly equip the Iroquois, we'll never win the French and Indian War!

LONDON (AFP) - The United States could dramatically and quickly cut its troop presence in Iraq if it provided enough weapons to the country's security forces, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has said.

Maliki called for greater US support for Iraqi troops in an interview with a group of foreign correspondents in Baghdad. Several newspapers, including the Times of London, the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times reported his comments Thursday.

Maliki said the Iraqi insurgency was more violent and longer than it should have been because the US refused to give more arms.


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and since we all know Kecibukia will say I invented all this.. here iz da link.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070118/wl_mideast_afp/usiraqmilitarypolitics_070118110714


the Byline shows AFP....who is that? since AP is associated Press....who is AFP?

[QUOTE=OcceanDrive2;12224801]US downplays Maliki 'criticism' by Laurent Lozano
53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States on downplayed remarks by Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki on the US war plan for Iraq, denying they amounted to sharp criticism of President George W. Bush.

The White House expressed confidence in the Iraqi leader, on whom Bush has placed a heavy burden of responsibility for cracking down on militias and pushing political reconciliation.

Maliki said earlier in newspaper interviews that the US could dramatically cut troop numbers in Iraq if it offered sufficient weapons to Iraqi forces..

this doesnt necessarily mean that Iraqi troops and police arent armed or armored, only that they are ill-armored to stave off attacks from militants.

seeing as the militants still have some shoulder-fired weapons that the US gave them back in the Iraq-Iran war and AK-47s that they got from Russia...



So you have been over there and seen how the two sides are armed?

the Byline shows AFP....who is that? since AP is associated Press....who is AFP?

Agence France-Presse

google is your friend

http://www.afp.com/english/afp/?pid=history

This is just Maliki all over. The guy is spineless and has a bad attitude, whenever he screws up he tries to push the blame onto someone else. I have news for you Maliki, it is not America's job to supply YOUR troops, it is YOUR job. Maybe if you were a decent politician who could be relied upon for anything then you'd be able to convince America to help arm your troops, but as it is you just curl up and offer half-assed excuses. Wake up Maliki, Iraq is counting on you, and if all you can do is whine like a baby, maybe you should make way for someone new.