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Iran shoots down U.S. spy drone amid growing military pressure
2007-01-17 08:41:25

TEHRAN, Jan. 16 (Xinhua) -- Iranian troops have shot down a U.S. pilotless spy plane recently, an Iranian lawmaker announced on Tuesday as the Islamic Republic was facing increasing military pressure from its arch rival -- the United States.

The aircraft was brought down when it was trying to cross the borders "during the last few days," Seyed Nezam Mola Hoveizeh, a member of the parliament, was quoted by the local Fars News Agency as saying.

The lawmaker gave no exact date of the shooting-down or any other details about the incident, but he said that "the United States sent such spy drones to the region every now and then."

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my2cents: well.. Iran and Hezbollah are flying spy drones into Israel too.. So they cant complain much

is it fishing season again?

And?

We send in a spy plane. They shoot it down. They missed the 9 others we sent in.

Acceptable loss, imo.

And?

We send in a spy plane. They shoot it down. They missed the 9 others we sent in.

Acceptable loss, imo.

one can not shoot down what was not there....but one can lie and get free PR from a bunch of BS newspapers. And when one is trolling for fish....well someone will bite.

one can not shoot down what was not there....but one can lie and get free PR from a bunch of BS newspapers.
so.. are you saying we are not spying on the Iranians?

The US should watch out, the next one could be manned.

Translation: Iranian troops break US toy plane. They then procede to give the remains a giant wedgie for good measure. Yawn.

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A liiiitle suspect isn't it?

so.. are you saying we are not spying on the Iranians?

I'd be shocked if we weren't.

I'd be shocked if we weren't.

pretty much.

And isn't this why we're all using the unmanned ones? So that shooting one down isn't really that big a deal?

I demand source or I'll sue you for slander!

I demand source or I'll sue you for slander!sue me. I am so scared :D

BTW I did include the sources on the OP.

We spy on everybody. We spy on Tuvalu. ;)

You can't trust those Tuvaluans.

Just want to point out that there is some serious time warping going on here.

As is their right, they don't have to tolerate any unwelcomed intruder into their airspace.

And Hizbollah launches pilotless spy-drones into Israel!?

so.. are you saying we are not spying on the Iranians?

We spy on everybody. We spy on Tuvalu. ;)

Just want to point out that there is some serious time warping going on here.

QF-muthafudding-T.

And Hizbollah launches pilotless spy-drones into Israel!?
That sounds pretty unlikely, doesn't it?

You can't trust those Tuvaluans.

They even intend to hide their nation underwater so they can plot and scheme better in secret.

As is their right, they don't have to tolerate any unwelcomed intruder into their airspace.

And Hizbollah launches pilotless spy-drones into Israel!?

Sure. They just always tend to crash in civilian areas w/ explosive results.

Iran shoots down U.S. spy drone amid growing military pressure
2007-01-17 08:41:25

TEHRAN, Jan. 16 (Xinhua) -- Iranian troops have shot down a U.S. pilotless spy plane recently, an Iranian lawmaker announced on Tuesday as the Islamic Republic was facing increasing military pressure from its arch rival -- the United States.

The aircraft was brought down when it was trying to cross the borders "during the last few days," Seyed Nezam Mola Hoveizeh, a member of the parliament, was quoted by the local Fars News Agency as saying.

The lawmaker gave no exact date of the shooting-down or any other details about the incident, but he said that "the United States sent such spy drones to the region every now and then."

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my2cents: well.. Iran and Hezbollah are flying spy drones into Israel too.. So they cant complain much

Good on the intelligence community. It's nice to hear that they're doing their job and not constantly screwing up.

Although reciprocation is only justified if you accept moral equivalence between states, and to morally equate the United States and Israel, both liberal democracies to the Islamic Republic of Iran is one hell of a stretch.

Is the US Government perfect? Absolutely not. But improvements have been continual over the past several months, which is a good sign. Another good sign is that we don't hang homosexuals from construction cranes, quite unlike the IRI.

They even intend to hide their nation underwater so they can plot and scheme better in secret.

It's true. I discovered this plan back in 1968 when I was employed by MI6 and I worked as a 00 Agent hunting down Blofeld.

As is their right, they don't have to tolerate any unwelcomed intruder into their airspace.
since Iran/hezbollah is flying Spy drones into Israel.. Iran cannot complain much..

but they can shut them down..

reciprocation is only justified if you accept moral equivalence between states, and to morally equate the United States and Israel, both liberal democracies to the Islamic Republic of Iran is one hell of a stretch. In another words.. US & Israel is allowed to buid spy drones but not Iran.

rigth?

They even intend to hide their nation underwater so they can plot and scheme better in secret.

They'll need constant monitoring. *nod*

well, it's good to see that someone has started shooting down the american spy drones/planes... it's definetely a country's right to not tolerate hostile presence, and i believe the US should refrain from sending drones in there

In another words.. US & Israel is allowed to buid spy drones but not Iran.

rigth?

Exactamundo.

Why do people bother with spy planes. You can get pretty damn good resolutions from telescopes in space now. The CIA should just browse google earth for a while.

These drones are typically used to provide real-time intelligence (and sometimes video footage) directly to local operators. Something that space-based reconnaissance satellites aren't so good at.

Why do people bother with spy planes. You can get pretty damn good resolutions from telescopes in space now. The CIA should just browse google earth for a while.

In another words.. US & Israel is allowed to buid spy drones but not Iran.

rigth?

Get over it already. Every country that can afford them has UAVs that they use for ISR.

Because telescopes in space are not the end-all. Plus, space images don't give you the same kind of views as photography from planes - space photography only gives you a top-down, its difficult to look at the topography.

Plus, you can stick a tarp on top of a 2x4 and it looks just like a howitzer from the air. The infantry unit my dad's FIST team was assigned to tricked another batallion at NTC that way.

Because telescopes in space are not the end-all. Plus, space images don't give you the same kind of views as photography from planes - space photography only gives you a top-down, its difficult to look at the topography.

Plus, you can stick a tarp on top of a 2x4 and it looks just like a howitzer from the air. The infantry unit my dad's FIST team was assigned to tricked another batallion at NTC that way.Google earth gives data for the elevation of any given point... seems good enough to me. Plus with a geostationaty satelite you can have continous monitoring of an area.

And seeing as you can make out indidvidual people even on commercially available images, combined with using shadow analysis and continous surveillence then I'd say you're pretty much covered.

And Hizbollah launches pilotless spy-drones into Israel!?yes... its probably Iranian tech

And?

We send in a spy plane. They shoot it down. They missed the 9 others we sent in.

Acceptable loss, imo.

Gee, miss the obvious implications much?

I wanna know how they reached the off switch!

Translation: Iranian troops break US toy plane. They then procede to give the remains a giant wedgie for good measure. Yawn.

It's the future of warfare. There seems to be quite a bit being spent on robotic attack aircraft, both in the US and Europe.

So we send robots to attack some country, and they shoot a few down.

No pilots to parade in public, no pilots to hold hostage, and no pilots to present at show trials.

Global Hawk, for instance, replaces the U-2 for aerial surveillance. You shoot it down, so what?

It's the future of warfare. There seems to be quite a bit being spent on robotic attack aircraft, both in the US and Europe.true

Get over it already. Every country that can afford them has UAVs that they use for ISR.
perhaps that is what should change... i would like to see how the israelis and americans would react if they had a stronger nation (when it arises) flying spy drones over them, breaching their national air spaces... i somehow don't think they would consider it acceptable... i mean, such a priviledge is only meant for them, isn't it?:rolleyes:

It's the future of warfare. There seems to be quite a bit being spent on robotic attack aircraft, both in the US and Europe.

So we send robots to attack some country, and they shoot a few down.

No pilots to parade in public, no pilots to hold hostage, and no pilots to present at show trials.

Global Hawk, for instance, replaces the U-2 for aerial surveillance. You shoot it down, so what?

:headbang:

the goddamn implications... by what right were the surveillance craft there, be they manned or un manned, at the first place... the americans are pretty fast to condemn a lot of things around the world (actually anything and everything that suits them) but don't seem to consider that the same rules apply to them... everyone else has to obey the law, but of course not them... why would they bother with something as trivial as international law?:rolleyes:

Iranians should shoot down more than just spy drones. They should take a drone and put it down Bush's throat.

Yeah, I don't know about the whole Spy-Drone down Bush's throat thing, but we Americans DO need to stop meddling in others' buisiness. I must admit, though: that "Axis of Evil" deal is wierd.

Google earth gives data for the elevation of any given point... seems good enough to me. Plus with a geostationaty satelite you can have continous monitoring of an area.
Google Earth uses elevation from other sources. Not a problem, though, because the military can do the same, with better resolution too. Geostationary is too far to get good pictures of small detail, plus geostationary positions are not a free for all.

And seeing as you can make out indidvidual people even on commercially available images, combined with using shadow analysis and continous surveillence then I'd say you're pretty much covered.

Most of those, like the ones Google Earth uses, are taken by planes, not satellite. You could get them from a satellite, but only minutes at a time.

What they should do is bring back the SR-71. Now, that is an awesome spy plane.

This stuff is really old news per se:

Iran: Tehran Accuses U.S. Of Spying On Nuclear Sites (http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050217-iran.htm)

Iran said yesterday that the United States has been spying on Iranian nuclear and military sites for some time using satellites and other means. The announcement followed a report in “The Washington Post” on 13 February that quoted unnamed U.S. officials as saying American drones have been flying over Iran to seek evidence of nuclear weapon programs. Experts say that flying surveillance planes over a country's airspace is a violation of international laws.

Google earth gives data for the elevation of any given point... seems good enough to me. Plus with a geostationaty satelite you can have continous monitoring of an area.


Not sure if this particular drone is capable of it, but sometimes planes are used to "sniff" - air sample - for radioactivity. Satellites can't do that.

In another words.. US & Israel is allowed to buid spy drones but not Iran.

rigth?
Wrong... Iran can make as many as they like... If they use them, they better be expecting others to be pissed at them.

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perhaps that is what should change... i would like to see how the israelis and americans would react if they had a stronger nation (when it arises) flying spy drones over them, breaching their national air spaces... i somehow don't think they would consider it acceptable... i mean, such a priviledge is only meant for them, isn't it? Acceptable? I doubt anyone here really thinks it's 'right'. We just down't care. Simple we'd shoot down their spy drones.
If Iran is outright telling "Bring it on" to Bush, he shouldn't be suprised when Iran starts getting spied upon.