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Best Star Wars Game for the PC?

Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 17:41
What say ye?

Myself? I'm absolutely addicted to Battlefront II, although it's a shame they didn't include the Cloud City map from the first game.

I just got Empire at War, and so far I love it. I'm still learning it, though, before I try my hand at online play, and before I install the Forces of Corruption expansion that I also got.

On the other hand, a while back, I got Galaxies and thought it absolutely blew.

Poll coming. And if there's a game that's not included, it's because it's old. Sorry. Only have room for so many options. :(
Compulsive Depression
17-01-2007, 17:45
TIE Fighter, probably.

More recently, Lego Star Wars (I or II) or KOTOR.
Kanabia
17-01-2007, 17:46
X-wing Alliance, or Knights of the Old Republic (the first one, although the second was awesome too, just not as awesome as it should be).

But yeah, i'm noticing a distinct lack of any Star Wars space shooters/sims lately, and X-wing Alliance doesn't seem to work with most newer PCs. Shame. :(

Empire at War is fun for a while, but it got old for me pretty quickly.
Kecibukia
17-01-2007, 17:48
Either Tie Fighter or SW:Rebellion, depending on my mood.
Kanabia
17-01-2007, 17:50
SW:Rebellion

I really, really, really wanted to like that.

It's not that it was bad...just that it could have been much better.

It's fun playing it multiplayer over a LAN, though.
Compulsive Depression
17-01-2007, 17:53
A friend of mine really liked Star Wars: Supremacy (The UK title for Rebellion, apparently) but I don't think I ever played it.
Kecibukia
17-01-2007, 17:57
I really, really, really wanted to like that.

It's not that it was bad...just that it could have been much better.

It's fun playing it multiplayer over a LAN, though.

I don't keep up w/ any new games so it's one of my classic favorites. I like sitting down and playing it every once in awhile but you're right, multiplayer is best.
PedroTheDonkey
17-01-2007, 17:58
Dark forces was a grand game in its day.
Nag Ehgoeg
17-01-2007, 18:02
What say ye?

Myself? I'm absolutely addicted to Battlefront II, although it's a shame they didn't include the Cloud City map from the first game.

I just got Empire at War, and so far I love it. I'm still learning it, though, before I try my hand at online play, and before I install the Forces of Corruption expansion that I also got.

On the other hand, a while back, I got Galaxies and thought it absolutely blew.

Poll coming. And if there's a game that's not included, it's because it's old. Sorry. Only have room for so many options. :(
I loved the Dark Forces (!!!!) series (what is this "Jedi Knight" series you youngsters are gabbing about?) but I gotta say that X-Wing Vs Tie Fighter was the best Star Wars game.

None of the new games have the same zaz or chutzpah as the classic games when Karl Katarn didn't have forcepowers and graphics weren't as important as gameplay.
PedroTheDonkey
17-01-2007, 18:04
I loved the Dark Forces (!!!!) series (what is this "Jedi Knight" series you youngsters are gabbing about?) but I gotta say that X-Wing Vs Tie Fighter was the best Star Wars game.

None of the new games have the same zaz or chutzpah as the classic games when Karl Katarn didn't have forcepowers and graphics weren't as important as gameplay.

Kyle Katan. Kyle.
Kanabia
17-01-2007, 18:07
I don't keep up w/ any new games so it's one of my classic favorites. I like sitting down and playing it every once in awhile but you're right, multiplayer is best.

I don't know, at the time it came out I was really into Master of Orion 2, and I was expecting something like that, except in a Star Wars environment...the huge galaxy was awesome at the time, but the galaxy wasn't nearly as alive as it should be (neutral systems should have fleets, there should be the pirate organisations from the novels, an imperial senate to manipulate, and so on...)...but even ignoring that, there was too much micromanagement to do and the whole thing became a bland tedious mess.

Empire at War took the basic formula of it but focused on including tactical ground combat and a structured plot at the expense of the overal strategic aspect that Rebellion aimed for. The tactical combat is fun for a while (and looks very cool), but eventually gets tedious and I hit the "auto resolve" button way too often anyway, so I like to have some depth to go back to. One day, maybe, i'll see a complex Star Wars strategy game...but probably not, since Lucasarts generally likes to focus on flashy action-based titles.

*sigh*
Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 18:10
I loved the Dark Forces (!!!!) series (what is this "Jedi Knight" series you youngsters are gabbing about?) but I gotta say that X-Wing Vs Tie Fighter was the best Star Wars game.

Youngsters? I'm in my mid-30s, mate. :p

Kyle Katan. Kyle.

Yes, it's Kyle, but it's Kyle Katarn.
Compulsive Depression
17-01-2007, 18:12
I don't know, at the time it came out I was really into Master of Orion 2, and I was expecting something like that, except in a Star Wars environment...the huge galaxy was awesome at the time, but the galaxy wasn't nearly as alive as it should be (neutral systems should have fleets, there should be the pirate organisations from the novels, an imperial senate to manipulate, and so on...)...but even ignoring that, there was too much micromanagement to do and the whole thing became a bland tedious mess.

That's not really fair. Nothing's beaten MOO2 yet (unless Space Empires V does?) and it's over ten years old, so how can you expect a licenced game to do it?
PedroTheDonkey
17-01-2007, 18:12
Youngsters? I'm in my mid-30s, mate. :p



Yes, it's Kyle, but it's Kyle Katarn.

True. My bad.
Isidoor
17-01-2007, 18:13
lego starwars?
Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 18:14
How many of y'all play BF II? We should get a session going. :cool:
[NS]Trilby63
17-01-2007, 18:20
What say ye?

Myself? I'm absolutely addicted to Battlefront II, although it's a shame they didn't include the Cloud City map from the first game.

I just got Empire at War, and so far I love it. I'm still learning it, though, before I try my hand at online play, and before I install the Forces of Corruption expansion that I also got.

On the other hand, a while back, I got Galaxies and thought it absolutely blew.

Poll coming. And if there's a game that's not included, it's because it's old. Sorry. Only have room for so many options. :(

I've not played that many Star Wars games but I think that, despite the glitches in SWBF1 (like snow speeders and other planes being able to outrun missiles..) the gameplay is better than in Battlefront 2. I don't know what it is about Battlefront 2 but it doesn't feel as intuitive or as smooth as the original if that makes sense. Also, I own on the original, especially on Cloud City as a wookie smuggler.
Lacadaemon
17-01-2007, 18:22
Still sometimes boot up the old outcast. Man, I love that game.

Mostly because I want to do tavion.
Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 18:26
lego starwars?

Yes (http://www.lucasarts.com/games/legostarwarsii/).
Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 18:28
Trilby63;12220445']Also, I own on the original, especially on Cloud City as a wookie smuggler.

Care to demonstrate said pwnage? I've still got the original BF installed. ;)
Zilam
17-01-2007, 18:30
How many of y'all play BF II? We should get a session going. :cool:


I play it on PS2
Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 18:30
I play it on PS2

Bah! :p
Kanabia
17-01-2007, 18:35
That's not really fair. Nothing's beaten MOO2 yet (unless Space Empires V does?) and it's over ten years old, so how can you expect a licenced game to do it?

SE5 is good, but not quite that good.

I don't really want MOO2 dressed up in Star Wars clothes, though. That wouldn't make sense in the context of the movies and so on. I want something with greater depth and a more complicated political and resource system, etc. If you play as the Empire, you should have to struggle to keep planets outside of the core in line through whichever means necessary and keep overly ambitious (traitorous?) officers and senators in line. If you play as the Rebellion, you should start out fighting a guerilla war and focus on using diplomacy to build up support in the core worlds. Maybe you could even play as the Black Sun or other minor factions, possibly with varying start dates. Rebellion and Empire at War are at their heart just conquer, conquer, conquer. There's no real depth to it.

But that would be too complex for the average gamer, not to mention Star Wars fan. There's only one company out there with the balls to make games approaching that level of complexity, Paradox Interactive, and they focus on making historical sims only. But supposing something like that ever became an eventuality, i'd be able to die happy after a 96 hour marathon. :p
[NS]Trilby63
17-01-2007, 18:36
Care to demonstrate said pwnage? I've still got the original BF installed. ;)

You're american, right? So you'd be on 1.3?
Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 19:03
Trilby63;12220491']You're american, right? So you'd be on 1.3?

I believe so, yeah. Been quite some time since I've played the original, though. Come to think of it, I think I've gotten a new joystick since then. Might have to reset my prefs for it.
Prekkendoria
17-01-2007, 19:35
There have been many great games, but KOTOR was the best.
Granthor
17-01-2007, 20:14
The one I played most was Supremacy, which I think was called Rebellion in the US. It was like Empire at War, only it came out about five years or so ago. You also didn't get control of the land battles and the campaign map was in 2D, but it had so much more detail. It was set after New Hope, and featured loads of characters and ship classes from the extended universe as well as the films. And there was no limit to how many ships you could put in a fleet. ^_^
[NS]Trilby63
17-01-2007, 20:32
I believe so, yeah. Been quite some time since I've played the original, though. Come to think of it, I think I've gotten a new joystick since then. Might have to reset my prefs for it.

Ah, well Europe still plays 1.2 ... I don't know what the difference is but we'd have to using the same version to play..
Llewdor
17-01-2007, 20:37
TIE Fighter, probably.

More recently, Lego Star Wars (I or II) or KOTOR.
Definitely TIE Fighter.

Of the listed options I easily prefer KotOR.
Neo Bretonnia
17-01-2007, 20:39
I guess I just like the older ones but my favs were X-Wing and Rebellion.
Morganatron
17-01-2007, 20:39
There have been many great games, but KOTOR was the best.

Agreed. My vote goes to KotOR
Corinan
17-01-2007, 20:42
I still play X-Wing Vs. Tie Fighter and Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, so those earn my votes pretty easily.
Ralina
17-01-2007, 20:51
It would have to be TIE fighter and X-Wing Vs. TIE Fighter. I remeber buying my first joystick because of those games, ah the fun and chaos of a 360 battle with no walls to run into, missles and lasers going everywhere. Good times.
Orthodox Gnosticism
17-01-2007, 21:10
I have to say Empire at war. That game is a blast, as a RTS, and its expansion with the Crime lords was fantastic. Best RTS since warcraft III. Although Kotor was a great FPS, the storyline in Jedi academy in my opinion was superior. Kotor's ending was a bit too predictable for me.
Maxus Paynus
17-01-2007, 21:11
Republic Commando, hands down. Loved the humour of the team (especially Scorch and Sev) and the team AI was the best I've seen.
MrWho
17-01-2007, 21:16
My favorites were Dark Forces and Tie Fighter. Old games but still fun to play. I remember playing Dark Forces when I was a kid for hours on end during the summer up until midnight. As for Tie Fighter, I would play it non stop until my hand got cramped up and sore from using the joystick. I think I still have Dark Forces so maybe I'll go back and play it again.
Saxnot
17-01-2007, 21:30
X-Wing Vs. TIE Fighter, clearly!:rolleyes: :p
Jenrak
17-01-2007, 22:17
I have to say Empire at war. That game is a blast, as a RTS, and its expansion with the Crime lords was fantastic. Best RTS since warcraft III. Although Kotor was a great FPS, the storyline in Jedi academy in my opinion was superior. Kotor's ending was a bit too predictable for me.

I liked Knight of the Old Republic's storyline better.

And it's an RPG, not a FPS.
Heculisis
17-01-2007, 22:27
Agreed. My vote goes to KotOR
Yep, especially for coming up with an original star wars storyline that didn't suck.
Gravlen
17-01-2007, 22:41
TIE-fighter was the best.

Followed by meh, who cares...

KOTOR was a disaster.
Shasoria
17-01-2007, 22:43
Yeesh, the games you listed are all from the last five years! To find the real Star Wars classics, you got to reach way back into the past, and haul out stuff like TIE Fighter or Rebel Assault.... or the most genius Star Wars game of all: Rebellion. Empire At War ain't got nothing on Rebellion - in fact, they ruined all my hopes that they'd make a viable sequel to that game when they came out with Empire At War.
Koramerica
17-01-2007, 22:53
Knights of the Old Republic
Mittsville
17-01-2007, 23:09
Lego + star wars = fun:cool:
Heculisis
18-01-2007, 04:23
TIE-fighter was the best.

Followed by meh, who cares...

KOTOR was a disaster.

Kotor? A disaster? considering the game was probably the first star wars rpg game to be succesful I would decidely disagree. Those who say it was a disaster probably haven't played the game before. It seems bad as a concept but the gameplay is absolutely amazing.
Cluichstan
18-01-2007, 14:53
Trilby63;12221014']Ah, well Europe still plays 1.2 ... I don't know what the difference is but we'd have to using the same version to play..

Well, that sucks... :(

I have to say Empire at war. That game is a blast, as a RTS, and its expansion with the Crime lords was fantastic. Best RTS since warcraft III.

I'm really enjoying it. I had the base game on my Christmas list, and someone, not into gaming herself, got me the expansion. Oh well! Just meant I had an excuse to go out and buy the original. :D I'm only playing the original right now and won't install the expansion till I've gotten a solid handle on the basic game, which shouldn't be too difficult, because it's really very intuitive.

Yeesh, the games you listed are all from the last five years! To find the real Star Wars classics...

Oy...read the OP before you spew please. I said the poll was only going to deal with the newer games, not the classics. :rolleyes:
Cluichstan
18-01-2007, 15:12
Lots of votes for KOTOR. I may have to pick that one up next. :cool:
Cromotar
18-01-2007, 15:19
KOTOR is awesome, both of them. (Come to think of it, I never finished the second one.)
Cluichstan
18-01-2007, 15:25
KOTOR is awesome, both of them. (Come to think of it, I never finished the second one.)

The second one is Sith Lords, right? (Sorry, my memory is failing me at the moment, and I'm too lazy to look it up. :( )
Kanabia
18-01-2007, 15:29
Lots of votes for KOTOR. I may have to pick that one up next. :cool:

Indeed. Play them in order though, since the plot is intertwined. If you played KOTOR 2 first you wouldn't have any idea what is going on.

The second one is Sith Lords, right? (Sorry, my memory is failing me at the moment, and I'm too lazy to look it up. :( )

Aye.
Cromotar
18-01-2007, 15:31
The second one is Sith Lords, right? (Sorry, my memory is failing me at the moment, and I'm too lazy to look it up. :( )

Correct! Congratulations! You win a semicolon ;

:D
Cluichstan
18-01-2007, 15:31
Indeed. Play them in order though, since the plot is intertwined. If you played KOTOR 2 first you wouldn't have any idea what is going on.

A lot of people have mentioned it, but what is it really? What makes it so awesome?
Cluichstan
18-01-2007, 15:32
Correct! Congratulations! You win a semicolon ;

:D

Thanks, smartass. :p
Kanabia
18-01-2007, 15:41
A lot of people have mentioned it, but what is it really? What makes it so awesome?

It's an RPG, and it has a huge amount of subplots and the like with the most indepth story of any Star Wars game i've played (and it's all considered canon, which is cool).

If you've played Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights, etc. and liked them...imagine them in a Star Wars setting.
Cromotar
18-01-2007, 15:43
Thanks, smartass. :p

I aim to annoy. ;)

A lot of people have mentioned it, but what is it really? What makes it so awesome?

Let's see...

- It's Star Wars
- Great Story, with a lot of cool characters and unexpected developments
- Good RPG gameplay
- Good voice acting
- Lots of nice Jedi abilities and customized lightsabers, etc
- Your actions influence your development (light side vs dark side) and ultimately the ending

You can check out some reviews here:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsknightsoftor/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=tabs

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/kotor2/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=tabs
Kanabia
18-01-2007, 15:45
- Good voice acting

I'd go as far as saying it's the best i've seen in a game so far.
Cluichstan
18-01-2007, 15:54
Let's see...

- It's Star Wars
- Great Story, with a lot of cool characters and unexpected developments
- Good RPG gameplay
- Good voice acting
- Lots of nice Jedi abilities and customized lightsabers, etc
- Your actions influence your development (light side vs dark side) and ultimately the ending

You can check out some reviews here:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsknightsoftor/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=tabs

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/kotor2/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=tabs

Thanks! That does look really cool. It'll definitely be the next one I pick up.
Cluichstan
18-01-2007, 16:05
I'm rather frightened that Ruffy Does Dagobah is in second place in the poll... :eek:
Cluichstan
18-01-2007, 16:10
I mean, seriously...try to imagine this guy buggering Yoda.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Dragonkirby/Non-Kirby/Photos/ruffy.jpg
Cluichstan
18-01-2007, 20:13
Mmm...Ruffy Does Dagobah...

Y-y-y-y-yoda... [insert guitar riff here]
Cluichstan
19-01-2007, 16:39
Actually, now that I think about it, I'm rather frightened by what a game called Ruffy Does Dagobah would entail... :eek:
Compulsive Depression
19-01-2007, 18:13
SE5 is good, but not quite that good.
I played the demo yesterday, and it seems really good. The only criticisms I can level at it is too many research topics, with however-many levels each, and no tree or anything (unless I missed it?) to show you where you should go to get certain things. Like an asteroid miner. It's possible, the asteroids have mineral values, but how? I don't even know if they're ships, bases, or colonies. Or just not in the demo!
The other thing I'm unsure of is the combat. It seems quite nice, but not as deep as MOO2's. Sort of C&C with starships. Maybe this'll change when I've got more than two types of frigate to throw at the simulator.
Definitely going to give it a bit more time, though.

I don't really want MOO2 dressed up in Star Wars clothes, though. That wouldn't make sense in the context of the movies and so on. I want something with greater depth and a more complicated political and resource system, etc. If you play as the Empire, you should have to struggle to keep planets outside of the core in line through whichever means necessary and keep overly ambitious (traitorous?) officers and senators in line. If you play as the Rebellion, you should start out fighting a guerilla war and focus on using diplomacy to build up support in the core worlds. Maybe you could even play as the Black Sun or other minor factions, possibly with varying start dates. Rebellion and Empire at War are at their heart just conquer, conquer, conquer. There's no real depth to it.

But that would be too complex for the average gamer, not to mention Star Wars fan. There's only one company out there with the balls to make games approaching that level of complexity, Paradox Interactive, and they focus on making historical sims only. But supposing something like that ever became an eventuality, i'd be able to die happy after a 96 hour marathon. :p

MOO2 in Star Wars clothes... That thinking led to Birth of the Federation, which was OK, just buggy, and not quite as good as the game it was based on because of the Star Trek limitations.
That sounds like a good game. Reminds me a bit of Rome:TW with Barbarian Invasion in principle (massive empire collapsing and fighting for survival, smaller factions picking over the carcass). Shows the basic idea is sound. Diplomacy, though, not many games offer anything very more than war/neutral/ally status plus simplistic trading, and that's often broken into absurdity anyway.

Ah well, maybe one day someone "mainstream" will make a game that uses the massive horsepower of a modern computer for something other than bouncing crates and organising a stack of a hundred million polygons.
Llewdor
19-01-2007, 23:17
KOTOR is awesome, both of them. (Come to think of it, I never finished the second one.)
That might be for the best. KotOR2 doesn't have an ending to compare with KotOR's ending (though even KotOR's light side ending can't compare to KotOR's dark side ending) - I found the ending of KotOR2 to be a bit of a letdown.

But the gameplay was tons of fun. I finished each game at least twice.

Though, I'll play anything BioWare releases.
Morganatron
19-01-2007, 23:20
That might be for the best. KotOR2 doesn't have an ending to compare with KotOR's ending (though even KotOR's light side ending can't compare to KotOR's dark side ending) - I found the ending of KotOR2 to be a bit of a letdown.

But the gameplay was tons of fun. I finished each game at least twice.

Though, I'll play anything BioWare releases.

Apparenetly, there was a lot of the storyline from KotOR2 that had been cut to make the Christmas deadline. I think that there was going to be a re-release of KotOR2 with the edited storyline added again, so that the game makes more sense.

Knights of the Old Republic wins for one reason: HK-47.
Heculisis
21-01-2007, 01:13
Apparenetly, there was a lot of the storyline from KotOR2 that had been cut to make the Christmas deadline. I think that there was going to be a re-release of KotOR2 with the edited storyline added again, so that the game makes more sense.

Knights of the Old Republic wins for one reason: HK-47.

Yea theres a whole online project making a patch for the game with the excluded content. I can't recall what its called....I think they mention in the wiki.
Hk-47 owns you.
Prekkendoria
21-01-2007, 01:25
Yea theres a whole online project making a patch for the game with the excluded content. I can't recall what its called....I think they mention in the wiki.
Hk-47 owns you.
Yeah, the KRP is looking good, I would still prefer KOTOR 3 to be handled by Bioware (after all, their game was better(without the patch, with we'll see)).
MrMopar
21-01-2007, 01:44
The original KoTOR (beat it 8 times) and Jedi Outcast (beat it 13 times).
Katganistan
21-01-2007, 03:59
You forgot T.I.E. Fighter. Ah, the dogfights I used to get into with the T.I.E. Defender.....


I'll never forget the look on my friend Ray's face when we played back the tape from different views -- he was the dogfighting enthusiast... I was just a girl. Hey, so what if I didn't know I was doing Immelmans and split s's... it worked, didn't it? :D
Katganistan
21-01-2007, 04:02
Kotor? A disaster? considering the game was probably the first star wars rpg game to be succesful I would decidely disagree. Those who say it was a disaster probably haven't played the game before. It seems bad as a concept but the gameplay is absolutely amazing.

KOTOR was fabulous.
KOTOR II sucked, because they didn't even hide the places they didn't finish before rushing it out onto the shelves. (And I mean it -- dead-end dialogues, things happening for no apparent reason with no further explanation, and areas that could not be accessed even though they indicated clearly that they were supposed to be.)
Huntaer
21-01-2007, 04:09
You forgot T.I.E. Fighter. Ah, the dogfights I used to get into with the T.I.E. Defender.....


I'll never forget the look on my friend Ray's face when we played back the tape from different views -- he was the dogfighting enthusiast... I was just a girl. Hey, so what if I didn't know I was doing Immelmans and split s's... it worked, didn't it? :D

Never played that one. Somehow, I missed it.

More recently though... KotoR FTW!

If you still like good ol' dog fights Kat (or your friend), you should give battlefront II a shot (if you haven't already). I got my roommate hooked onto the spacebattles. He practically dropped playing Halo II (this is a total anti-SW geek guy we're talking about here too) for the last month before we got out for winter break... Even got his friends involved with it too.
Kanabia
21-01-2007, 07:20
I played the demo yesterday, and it seems really good. The only criticisms I can level at it is too many research topics, with however-many levels each, and no tree or anything (unless I missed it?) to show you where you should go to get certain things. Like an asteroid miner. It's possible, the asteroids have mineral values, but how? I don't even know if they're ships, bases, or colonies. Or just not in the demo!
The other thing I'm unsure of is the combat. It seems quite nice, but not as deep as MOO2's. Sort of C&C with starships. Maybe this'll change when I've got more than two types of frigate to throw at the simulator.
Definitely going to give it a bit more time, though.

Over here at least, it was a lot cheaper than a major-label game and well worth the money I paid for it. The main problem I have wioth it is that the techtree is so tedious compared with other games like MOO2 or Alpha Centauri - researching things like "Photon/Wave Mechanics" (from the latter) is just so much more interesting than "Beam Weapons Level 16". You're right as well, it's often stumbling in the dark as to what the outcomes of focusing on a certain type of tech will be. The combat is okay, if a little buggy, but yeah, you really have to wait until later on when other options open up (suicide drone fighters, boarding parties, and so on.)

MOO2 in Star Wars clothes... That thinking led to Birth of the Federation, which was OK, just buggy, and not quite as good as the game it was based on because of the Star Trek limitations.

Yep. BOTF was decent enough, but I think something a little deeper needs to be done with a franchised title.

That sounds like a good game. Reminds me a bit of Rome:TW with Barbarian Invasion in principle (massive empire collapsing and fighting for survival, smaller factions picking over the carcass). Shows the basic idea is sound. Diplomacy, though, not many games offer anything very more than war/neutral/ally status plus simplistic trading, and that's often broken into absurdity anyway.

Ah well, maybe one day someone "mainstream" will make a game that uses the massive horsepower of a modern computer for something other than bouncing crates and organising a stack of a hundred million polygons.

'mm. The diplomacy and political features need to be raised in import and there need to be strategic choices to be made - to train a Dark Jedi order as the Empire, or to focus on researching and building dark troopers, or even a new model of star destroyer? The former path will have consequences as you alienate both the ground forces and the navy.

As I said, Paradox Interactive have done it - if you're a strategy fan and haven't played Europa Universalis, Victoria or Hearts of Iron, try them, and you'll see what I mean. It can be done...


If you still like good ol' dog fights Kat (or your friend), you should give battlefront II a shot (if you haven't already). I got my roommate hooked onto the spacebattles.

I can't speak for BF2, but the fighters in the original battlefront were lame and very different compared to Tie Fighter and the like.
Cluichstan
22-01-2007, 18:23
Never played that one. Somehow, I missed it.

More recently though... KotoR FTW!

If you still like good ol' dog fights Kat (or your friend), you should give battlefront II a shot (if you haven't already). I got my roommate hooked onto the spacebattles. He practically dropped playing Halo II (this is a total anti-SW geek guy we're talking about here too) for the last month before we got out for winter break... Even got his friends involved with it too.

The space battles on BFII are really sweet if you're not constantly dealing with retards who only hunt other human players.
Cluichstan
22-01-2007, 18:24
I'll never forget the look on my friend Ray's face when we played back the tape from different views -- he was the dogfighting enthusiast... I was just a girl. Hey, so what if I didn't know I was doing Immelmans and split s's... it worked, didn't it? :D

Oh, and...icky girl. :p
Compulsive Depression
22-01-2007, 18:35
Over here at least, it was a lot cheaper than a major-label game and well worth the money I paid for it. The main problem I have wioth it is that the techtree is so tedious compared with other games like MOO2 or Alpha Centauri - researching things like "Photon/Wave Mechanics" (from the latter) is just so much more interesting than "Beam Weapons Level 16". You're right as well, it's often stumbling in the dark as to what the outcomes of focusing on a certain type of tech will be. The combat is okay, if a little buggy, but yeah, you really have to wait until later on when other options open up (suicide drone fighters, boarding parties, and so on.)
Some of that might be missing from the demo (it's not been released here yet. Well, I think it's on Steam, but I hate steam with a passion.). I'll probably give the full game a go, it'd be nice to see the AI reply to my diplomacy, and not be able to annihilate an entire empire with a dozen missile cruisers. Unless I decide I like GalCiv 2 more in the meantime, but I really like the depth of SE5 and wasn't a fan of GalCiv 1.

As I said, Paradox Interactive have done it - if you're a strategy fan and haven't played Europa Universalis, Victoria or Hearts of Iron, try them, and you'll see what I mean. It can be done...

I got the demo of Europa Universalis 3 earlier, I'll give that one a go too...
Huntaer
22-01-2007, 18:47
The space battles on BFII are really sweet if you're not constantly dealing with retards who only hunt other human players.

Agreed. I also hate the retards who hunt after the targets I have already weakened to near destruction and they take the credit for my work (as in, they destroy the targets before my bombs hit). Very annoying.

I'm very good in the space battles on BF II myself. Even if mt team looses, I still have a higher score count than any of the other people on the team who win :D (Usually ends up being something like 120pts for me, and the highest on the opposite team is like 80 or 90). The only person who gives me any challenge in the game is my brother.
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 15:44
Agreed. I also hate the retards who hunt after the targets I have already weakened to near destruction and they take the credit for my work (as in, they destroy the targets before my bombs hit). Very annoying.

Ah yes, the poachers. They suck, too. As do the TKers and glitchers. Those sorts of people are the reson why I always run my own sessions -- so I can boot their retarded arses.

I'm very good in the space battles on BF II myself. Even if mt team looses, I still have a higher score count than any of the other people on the team who win :D (Usually ends up being something like 120pts for me, and the highest on the opposite team is like 80 or 90). The only person who gives me any challenge in the game is my brother.

I think I've found maybe one or two people who've even been able to put up any sort of challenge on the space maps. I think it's because a lot of people have a hard time thinking in three dimensions when it comes to computer games (or any games for that matter).
Greater Valia
23-01-2007, 15:46
What say ye?

Myself? I'm absolutely addicted to Battlefront II, although it's a shame they didn't include the Cloud City map from the first game.

I just got Empire at War, and so far I love it. I'm still learning it, though, before I try my hand at online play, and before I install the Forces of Corruption expansion that I also got.

On the other hand, a while back, I got Galaxies and thought it absolutely blew.

Poll coming. And if there's a game that's not included, it's because it's old. Sorry. Only have room for so many options. :(

Star Wars Warlords. Mod for Homeworld 2. Check it out.
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 16:19
Star Wars Warlords. Mod for Homeworld 2. Check it out.


Never heard of that before, I don't think... http://209.85.62.26/html/emoticons/unsure.gif
Greater Valia
23-01-2007, 17:00
Never heard of that before, I don't think... http://209.85.62.26/html/emoticons/unsure.gif

http://warlords.swrebellion.com/wp/
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 17:03
http://warlords.swrebellion.com/wp/

Looks like a more detailed version of EaW...
Greater Valia
23-01-2007, 17:08
Looks like a more detailed version of EaW...

Better version of EaW. Only space combat though. It covers all the SW eras from Clone Wars to Yuuzhan Vong and everything in between. Much better gameplay and graphics thans EaW.
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 17:14
Better version of EaW.

I don't know if I'd go that far. Case in point:

Only space combat though.

I really enjoy the land battles in EaW, especially when I have to take a relatively small force up against a much larger one. The tactics needed for those are quite challenging.

It covers all the SW eras from Clone Wars to Yuuzhan Vong and everything in between.

Now that definitely does sound cool. I'd actually like to see a Clone Wars version of EaW, now that you mention it... :cool: