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Dr. Who v. Star Trek: Who would win?

Lacadaemon
17-01-2007, 08:39
Imagine a war in the far future. A great war that engulfs the entire time space continuum: much like the hypothetical wars between the USA and the PRC today.

What I want to know is who, in the opinion of NSG, would win that war.

Dr. Who: The Timelord who has never lost anything ever.

Or,

The United Federation of Planets: Who seem about as effective as the UN.


I may post a poll if there is any interest in this hyper galactic battle.
Dryks Legacy
17-01-2007, 08:43
Imagine a war in the far future. A great war that engulfs the entire time space continuum: much like the hypothetical wars between the USA and the PRC today.

What I want to know is who, in the opinion of NSG, would win that war.

Dr. Who: The Timelord who has never lost anything ever.

Or,

The United Federation of Planets: Who seem about as effective as the UN.


I may post a poll if there is any interest in this hyper galactic battle.

1) It's "The Doctor"
2) Don't you think one guy against an entire planetary alliance is a bit unfair?
3) The Doctor would win
4) This topic is stupid
Demented Hamsters
17-01-2007, 08:44
No contest. Dr Who took on the Cybermen and the Daleks together and kicked their collective arses. He sure as hell could kick anything Kirk and co could throw at him.

Kirk would bag Billie Piper though - something the Good Doctor never managed to.

So we do have to take that into consideration.
Chellis
17-01-2007, 08:45
Starcraft.
Popinjay
17-01-2007, 08:45
A Time lord vs. a Phaser... hmmm I think the time lord would win however if a Time Lord did come the Federation most likely could call upon Q, who would make the time lord disappear. You can't win if you don't exist.
Bazalonia
17-01-2007, 08:46
Depends if it is the old doctor or new doctor.

Old Doctor would corale the locals and defeat the noasty oppressors

New Doctor would manipulate the situation so that they think they win but invoke his trade mark plot twist and uses the enemy to neutralise itself somehow.
Lacadaemon
17-01-2007, 08:48
1) His name is "The Doctor"


Wrong. It is his nom de guerre. No-one really knows what his name is.


4) This topic is stupid
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No. It isn't.
Delator
17-01-2007, 08:48
Starcraft.

For the Overmind!!!
Dryks Legacy
17-01-2007, 08:51
Wrong. It is his nom de guerre. No-one really knows what his name is.

Still more accurate than you :rolleyes:
Harlesburg
17-01-2007, 08:53
Starcraft.
Stargate
No contest. Dr Who took on the Cybermen and the Daleks together and kicked their collective arses. He sure as hell could kick anything Kirk and co could throw at him.

Kirk would bag Billie Piper though - something the Good Doctor never managed to.

So we do have to take that into consideration.
Kirk only bagged aliens though, didn't he?
Though Scotty could beam Rose up, unlike the Doctor who didn't even save her.:(
Imagine a war in the far future. A great war that engulfs the entire time space continuum: much like the hypothetical wars between the USA and the PRC today.

What I want to know is who, in the opinion of NSG, would win that war.

Dr. Who: The Timelord who has never lost anything ever.

Or,

The United Federation of Planets: Who seem about as effective as the UN.


I may post a poll if there is any interest in this hyper galactic battle.
Dr Who would win, K-9 would vaporise everyone.
Popinjay
17-01-2007, 08:54
Richard Dean Anderson would pwn the all the doctors and all the captains (and their entire crew) with his P-90 mounted on a Hummer... with one clip.
Skgorria
17-01-2007, 08:54
Dr Who, because the UFP has all the military potential of a wet paper towel
Lacadaemon
17-01-2007, 08:56
Still more accurate than you :rolleyes:

I suppose you would have preferred John Smith.
Harlesburg
17-01-2007, 08:56
Wrong. It is his nom de guerre. No-one really knows what his name is.
No. It isn't.
nom de russe?
Cannot think of a name
17-01-2007, 08:57
I'm tempted to say Star Trek just because of the way the question was loaded, but I won't.

The Doctor has an advantage in the way the technology interacts with the narrative. Both essentially use technology as 'magic.'

But in Star Trek the science has to sound reasonable to the casual observer (it doesn't have to stand up, and doesn't neccisarily, it just has to sound reasonable to the non-scientific observer).

Dr. Who the technology is narratively convenient, that is to say if the technology needs to exist and do something important to the story, then it does and receives only a passing explanation that doesn't need to make sense as much as it needs to serve the story.

That's a pretty big advantage, because ultimately whatever is done in 'the war' both sides will be making shit up, The Doctor has a bigger pallet to choose from.
Demented Hamsters
17-01-2007, 08:58
Kirk only bagged aliens though, didn't he?
He did Lt Uhuru in one episode, so no. Not just aliens. Just anything in a miniskirt that moved.
Delator
17-01-2007, 09:06
Dr Who, because the UFP has all the military potential of a wet paper towel

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/9/91/Operation_Return_1.jpg

Okay then...have at 'em.
Harlesburg
17-01-2007, 09:16
He did Lt Uhuru in one episode, so no. Not just aliens. Just anything in a miniskirt that moved.
Maybe when they didn't move as well. ;)
Chellis
17-01-2007, 09:20
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/9/91/Operation_Return_1.jpg

Okay then...have at 'em.

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/4d/Carriers_Over_Sapphires.JPG

I'm confident in victory.
Delator
17-01-2007, 09:21
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/4d/Carriers_Over_Sapphires.JPG

I'm confident in victory.

Mah Scourge pwn j00!!1! :p
Dzanisssimo
17-01-2007, 09:38
Star Wars.
Chellis
17-01-2007, 09:40
Mah Scourge pwn j00!!1! :p

Shiz! Arbiters, recall me! :P
Proggresica
17-01-2007, 12:10
The Doctor, because he will just keep regenerating and kickin' ass; he gets knocked down, but he gets up again, no you're never gonna...
Pure Metal
17-01-2007, 12:14
star trek, cos its cooler.
Rhursbourg
17-01-2007, 12:54
Depends on which era of Trek and which Generation of the Doctor
Would be fun seeing the Fourth Doctor annoying the hell out of Q and Picard
Similization
17-01-2007, 13:03
Sonic Screwdriver. Dr. Who pwns all.
Steel Butterfly
17-01-2007, 13:11
This may be the most dork thread I've ever seen...
Dryks Legacy
17-01-2007, 13:22
This may be the most dork thread I've ever seen...

I've seen worse.
Steel Butterfly
17-01-2007, 14:02
I've seen worse.

Lol...that says a lot too...
Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 14:27
The Doctor would destroy the Enterprise easily by pelting it with jelly babies.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i138/princess_astra/jellybabies.gif

They can penetrate shields, y'know.
The Infinite Dunes
17-01-2007, 14:54
Seeing as the Doctor posseses a time machine I would have to say the Doctor...

However, considering the Doctor's love for preserving and protecting species, he might find this a bit problem personally and ethically. I suppose he could just go back in time and prevent humans from caring about exploring space or whatever... meh...

However, I seem to remember that the Federation is periodically possesses a time machine. Hence we revert to a USA vs PRC situation - MAD. Cue the next great time war?
Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 14:57
http://www.allyngibson.net/graphics/dalek.jpg
Dobbsworld
17-01-2007, 16:05
A Time lord vs. a Phaser... hmmm I think the time lord would win however if a Time Lord did come the Federation most likely could call upon Q, who would make the time lord disappear. You can't win if you don't exist.

Last I checked, the Q aren't at the beck and call of the Federation. You can't win if you can't depend on your Deus Ex Machina. Doctor FTW.
Kyronea
17-01-2007, 16:12
http://www.allyngibson.net/graphics/dalek.jpg

...what the foogly?

Anyway, as much as I love Trek, I'm afraid The Doctor would win in a real contest, just by sheer ability to bullshit and cheat with time travel.

We do have to ask the question of why The Doctor would want to fight against the U.F.P. though. From my understanding--since I've never watched Dr. Who--he's a good guy, right? Fights evil and all that? The U.F.P. is a democratic, generally peaceful society of planets banded together for economic and political reasons. If anything, they're more like a European Union than a United Nations, though.

And yes, in such a contest, Q wouldn't do anything except taunt Picard. He's not known for saving the Federation from itself. He has, however, been known to occasionally give them, via Picard, the opportunity to learn what needs to be done TO save themselves, like in "All Good Things..." the final episode of TNG. (Of course, one could make the argument that he caused the whole situation in the first place seeing as how the same thing he gave Picard to use to defeat the situation also caused Picard to cause the situation, but meh.)
The Aeson
17-01-2007, 16:15
I'd say a lot of this depends on timeline.

Kirk's Federation? The Federation of most of TNG? Post Dominion Wars Federation?

If the first, the Doctor wins, but not before Kirk talks a Dalek into exploding itself.

If the second, the Doctor wins, via mentioning to an aid that 'Picard looks rather tired, doesn't he?'

If the third... well, Garak is one of the few people that might be able to stop the Doctor's manipulatingness. So the Doctor wins, and Garak goes off to be a Companion.
Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 16:17
If the third... well, Garak is one of the few people that might be able to stop the Doctor's manipulatingness. So the Doctor wins, and Garak goes off to be a Companion.

"I am most certainly not a Time Lord's companion. I am but a simple tailor." :)
Bodies Without Organs
17-01-2007, 16:26
Still more accurate than you :rolleyes:

Was he not refered to as 'Doctor Who' by WOTAN in The War Machines?*


* rhetorical question.
Stevid
17-01-2007, 16:41
Star Trek would win. Many of you are saying that Doctor Who would just bullshit his way to victory using made up science. Granted, that's an advantage but Star Trek does that too as well (not often though).

Star Trek has got two genius' on their side. Scotty and Geordie (two dialects in one job position!) who, like they do and most episodes, invent some sort of weird and wonderful technology thingy to save the day. That's how Trek works, thus Geordie/Scotty would develop some sort of anti-timelord device that could kill the Doctor. The'll be thirty minutes of uncertainty and doubt but in the last ten minutes of the Episode it will all work out and the Doctor would die. The last five minutes for morale issues and phatic talk with a corny joke at the end.

Cue music THE END.

Doctor Who stands no chance!
Czardas
17-01-2007, 16:43
Doctor Who, because by the time the crew of the Enterprise finished recalibrating the dilithium matrix to refit the aft phasers and deploy the tachyon beams to disrupt the neutrino subspace interference in order to fire the starboard bank of photon torpedoes at the correct frequency to disrupt enemy shields and deactivate the cloaking interface which in turn would disrupt the quantum temporal anomalies to destroy the Timelord, their ship would have been blown up.
Grave_n_idle
17-01-2007, 16:45
"I am most certainly not a Time Lord's companion. I am but a simple tailor." :)

Hmmm. The Doctor always claims to be just 'the Doctor'.... and Garak is (obviously) 'just a tailor'...

Is it possible that there is a Tardis somewhere aboard Tarak Nor?
Grave_n_idle
17-01-2007, 16:50
Star Trek would win. Many of you are saying that Doctor Who would just bullshit his way to victory using made up science. Granted, that's an advantage but Star Trek does that too as well (not often though).

Star Trek has got two genius' on their side. Scotty and Geordie (two dialects in one job position!) who, like they do and most episodes, invent some sort of weird and wonderful technology thingy to save the day. That's how Trek works, thus Geordie/Scotty would develop some sort of anti-timelord device that could kill the Doctor. The'll be thirty minutes of uncertainty and doubt but in the last ten minutes of the Episode it will all work out and the Doctor would die. The last five minutes for morale issues and phatic talk with a corny joke at the end.

Cue music THE END.

Doctor Who stands no chance!

While I respect your position... you clearly ignore the Doctor's greatest advantage.

Yes - Scotty, Geordie, Banana Torres, or whichever engineer builds the anti-Timelord device and the Doctor clearly gets vaped.

However, after the fade, the camera highlights two factors we might have missed:

1) The Doctor regenerating into his next incarnation... a completely unfamiliar adversary for the trekkies.... and

2) The 'prequel' scene where the Doctor travelled back through time and engineered his own death in a spectacular fashion, so that the mere human brains of whichever Trekkie engineer we have are lulled into believeing they 'destroyed' him...
Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 16:53
Hmmm. The Doctor always claims to be just 'the Doctor'.... and Garak is (obviously) 'just a tailor'...

Is it possible that there is a Tardis somewhere aboard Tarak Nor?

Its chameleon circuit is functioning, and it's disguised as a Dabo table in Quark's bar.
IDF
17-01-2007, 17:40
A Time lord vs. a Phaser... hmmm I think the time lord would win however if a Time Lord did come the Federation most likely could call upon Q, who would make the time lord disappear. You can't win if you don't exist.

Bingo, Q would definitely do that.
IDF
17-01-2007, 17:42
Hmmm. The Doctor always claims to be just 'the Doctor'.... and Garak is (obviously) 'just a tailor'...

Is it possible that there is a Tardis somewhere aboard Tarak Nor?

Garak: I am no more a spy than you are

Bashir: A doctor.
IDF
17-01-2007, 17:44
Dr Who, because the UFP has all the military potential of a wet paper towel

Apparantly someone missed the Dominon War. Starfleet has over 30,000 warships at its disposal. Those vessels include the Defiant, Akira, and Sovereign class vessels.
Kyronea
17-01-2007, 17:54
Apparantly someone missed the Dominon War. Starfleet has over 30,000 warships at its disposal. Those vessels include the Defiant, Akira, and Sovereign class vessels.

Aye. See, the mistake some people make when it comes to Starfleet ship numbers is the whole "39 ships a major loss!" bit from Best of Both Worlds. Yes, that was major...for peacetime. Consider what Picard said about the size of the Federation in First Contact: spread across 8,000 lightyears. That's 30,000 ships covering that kind of distance. It takes a long time for Starfleet ships to cover that distance. The Borg attack in Best of Both Worlds was sudden, upon them almost before they knew what was going on. 39 ships was the best they could scramble with that kind of time. On the other hand, the Dominion War had literally YEARS working up to it, with both sides amply prepared for it from the beginning, hence why the sudden upsurge in ships. Sure, it's a bit of fanwank to try reasoning this out, but hey, it makes sense and explains everything without contradicting the material.
IDF
17-01-2007, 18:10
Aye. See, the mistake some people make when it comes to Starfleet ship numbers is the whole "39 ships a major loss!" bit from Best of Both Worlds. Yes, that was major...for peacetime. Consider what Picard said about the size of the Federation in First Contact: spread across 8,000 lightyears. That's 30,000 ships covering that kind of distance. It takes a long time for Starfleet ships to cover that distance. The Borg attack in Best of Both Worlds was sudden, upon them almost before they knew what was going on. 39 ships was the best they could scramble with that kind of time. On the other hand, the Dominion War had literally YEARS working up to it, with both sides amply prepared for it from the beginning, hence why the sudden upsurge in ships. Sure, it's a bit of fanwank to try reasoning this out, but hey, it makes sense and explains everything without contradicting the material.

Picard's line in BoBW ends up being contradicted by everything we see in the ST universe after that point.

DS9 established the Federation has 30,000 ships at its disposal. THat was produced later and thus gets the precedence as canon.
Eltaphilon
17-01-2007, 18:13
Nerdiest question EVER!
I would say the Doctor because of the sheer difficulty in killing a Timelord due to their regenerative powers.

Cheaters...
Lacadaemon
17-01-2007, 18:26
This may be the most dork thread I've ever seen...

Fuck. It must be dead awesome to be as hard as you. Tell me what it is like, being that dead hard and everything.
Greebo Matlock
17-01-2007, 19:41
1) It's "The Doctor"


Technically, BUT there's some wiggle room there.

In the closing credits the character was listed as "Dr Who" for the first 17 seasons or so.

There was a serial broadcast as "Doctor Who And The Silurians" in Pertwee's first season.

In the War Machines he is referred to as Doctor Who in the line "Doctor Who is required!"

And both the Cushing films have him as Dr. Who


All the fan wank continuity aside, the name "Doctor Who" is going to be widely recognised, even people who haven't seen the show might twig on the name, rather than being left sitting there thinking "The doctor??? What doctor?" Even hardcore fans like myself still find ourselves calling the guy Doctor Who now and again.
Cluichstan
17-01-2007, 19:45
Even hardcore fans like myself still find ourselves calling the guy Doctor Who now and again.

Not this hardcore Whovian. :p
Greebo Matlock
17-01-2007, 19:56
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/9/91/Operation_Return_1.jpg

Okay then...have at 'em.

Yeah but if the Doctor just stays in his Police Box he can happily drink tea until they use up every photon torpedo and all the energy the ship can throw at them.

Then for a laugh he can go back to the 22nd century and make sure the Federation never existed.

He's annoying like that.
Greebo Matlock
17-01-2007, 20:01
Not this hardcore Whovian. :p

AHahha so you've never in a thoughtless moment say

"I wonder who's gunna be the next Doctor Who?"
or
"He'd make a great Doctor Who"
etc etc

Maybe it's because I know a lot of casual viewers.

Anyway, keep up the good fight!
United Beleriand
17-01-2007, 20:23
Dr. Who?
Llewdor
17-01-2007, 20:33
The Doctor wins.

As evidence, I offer "Genesis of the Daleks". The Doctor will simply go back in time and prevent the Federation from existing.
Llewdor
17-01-2007, 20:34
Not this hardcore Whovian. :p
Cluichstan's right. No genuine anorak is going to call him Doctor Who.
Gauthier
17-01-2007, 20:38
Going by close to believable outlooks, the Doctor would leave the Feddies alone unless absolutely necessary.

Although if it was Anything Goes, he'd probably travel way back and scuttle the Enterprise project before it even got off the ground.
Lacadaemon
17-01-2007, 20:38
The Doctor wins.

As evidence, I offer "Genesis of the Daleks". The Doctor will simply go back in time and prevent the Federation from existing.

But he wouldn't do that. As evidence I offer "genesis of the daleks'.
Llewdor
17-01-2007, 20:46
But he wouldn't do that. As evidence I offer "genesis of the daleks'.
Point taken.

He'd more likely just go away and leave the conflict in a perpetual draw.
Lacadaemon
17-01-2007, 20:50
Point taken.

He'd more likely just go away and leave the conflict in a perpetual draw.

Well some good can come out of the daleks, bring people together &c.

Oh that's right, they also ended up wiping out the entire timelord race. (Except two, but I've said too much).
Lacadaemon
17-01-2007, 20:51
Also, the person who voted for Gary Coleman. Be ashamed, whoever you are.
Llewdor
17-01-2007, 20:55
Oh that's right, they also ended up wiping out the entire timelord race.
The Sontarans almost pulled that off, so it couldn't have been that difficult.
(Except two, but I've said too much).
Where's the Master when you need him?
Lacadaemon
17-01-2007, 20:57
The Sontarans almost pulled that off, so it couldn't have been that difficult.

That was a clever Dr trap. With Leela. (Whaayay).

Where's the Master when you need him?

Sadly undervalued with this 'new' doctor :(
The Pictish Revival
17-01-2007, 21:15
The Sontarans almost pulled that off, so it couldn't have been that difficult.

The Sontarans were double hard.
Hydesland
17-01-2007, 21:17
wtf? Doctor Who is aired in other countries :confused:
The Alma Mater
17-01-2007, 21:22
wtf? Doctor Who is aired in other countries :confused:

Yes - plenty.
And other countries can also receive the BBC ;)
Hydesland
17-01-2007, 21:24
Yes - plenty.
And other countries can also receive the BBC ;)

:eek: :eek:

heretics! You do not deserve such a pleasure:p
Lacadaemon
17-01-2007, 21:27
:eek: :eek:

heretics! You do not deserve such a pleasure:p

One of my biggest guilty pleasures when I go back home is just sitting an loading up on the BBC.

In principle I hate it, but damnit, I love that channel.
Hydesland
17-01-2007, 21:35
One of my biggest guilty pleasures when I go back home is just sitting an loading up on the BBC.

In principle I hate it, but damnit, I love that channel.

Is it exactly the same as the one aired here? Or is it adapted for *shudders* american audiences?
Orthodox Gnosticism
17-01-2007, 21:39
the Federation most likely could call upon Q, who would make the time lord disappear.

I wish people would stop using Q as the end all of end all's in the Star Trek Universe. Q is more likely to send picard and the entire Enterpirse to 12th century france to stop the evil California Republic from invading, on Norse ships, then to stop any real conflict. Q usually comes into play when he is bored, and has never shown that much interest in the survival of the federation. He only shows a strange "friendship" of Picard, and even then has never aided Picard the 15,000 times the Enterprise has, or almost has been destroyed.
Cyrian space
17-01-2007, 22:06
Are you kidding? The Doctor defeated the Daleks, who taken alone could destroy the federation. (actually, he defeated them twice.) seriously, it would be nothing for The Doctor to go back in time, and rearrange events so the federation is never formed.
Lacadaemon
17-01-2007, 22:53
Is it exactly the same as the one aired here? Or is it adapted for *shudders* american audiences?

Nah. When I mean back home I mean tyneside bonny lad.

BBC america is just...... well it is just.......
Kyronea
18-01-2007, 00:32
I wish people would stop using Q as the end all of end all's in the Star Trek Universe. Q is more likely to send picard and the entire Enterpirse to 12th century france to stop the evil California Republic from invading, on Norse ships, then to stop any real conflict. Q usually comes into play when he is bored, and has never shown that much interest in the survival of the federation. He only shows a strange "friendship" of Picard, and even then has never aided Picard the 15,000 times the Enterprise has, or almost has been destroyed.
One could start reasoning out that the reason Q has never saved the Enterprise in those circumstances is that he knew they would be able to get out of said circumstances on their own. Consider the favor he did for them informing the Federation about the Borg, also. It could be that he might interfere, if only to negate the Doctor's time traveling abilities, to level the playing field.
Chietuste
18-01-2007, 00:52
Abbot and Costello?
Llewdor
18-01-2007, 01:37
wtf? Doctor Who is aired in other countries :confused:
The best British export ever to come out of a Welsh quarry.
Llewdor
18-01-2007, 01:39
Sadly undervalued with this 'new' doctor :(
I really thought the Master was going to appear in the final episode of David Tennant's first series, but it turned out it was the Daleks.

Never have I been so disappointed to see a Dalek.
Demented Hamsters
18-01-2007, 04:25
For more example as to the Doctor's superiority, I refer you to the episode in the last series, 'The Satan's Pit'.
He not only defeats Satan himself but also uses the TARDIS to tow a spaceship out of a Black Hole, remarking that the Time Lords created Black Holes.

While I accept that Kirk could well finish off Satan (if a girl, by bagging her; if a guy, by getting his shirt ripped and doing a few judo rolls), the Federation do not have a ship strong enough to escape the pull of a Black Hole.

The Doctor would pawn the Federation.


Award and cookie for nerdiest thread btw.
Demented Hamsters
18-01-2007, 04:28
I really thought the Master was going to appear in the final episode of David Tennant's first series, but it turned out it was the Daleks.

Never have I been so disappointed to see a Dalek.

Me as well. I watched the entire two series hoping to see the Master and so far not one sign of him.
If and when he does turn up, I hope it's a spectacular multi-episode battle between them.

And where are the Ice Warriors, The Sea Devils and The Silurians!?
Arthais101
18-01-2007, 04:31
Dr Who, because the UFP has all the military potential of a wet paper towel

you never watched ds9
Arthais101
18-01-2007, 04:33
the Federation do not have a ship strong enough to escape the pull of a Black Hole.

Voyager did it on at least one occassion. Of course they did it through a rather deux ex machina of a "crack in the event horizon"
Thuace
18-01-2007, 04:35
you never watched ds9
Yes, and the only reason the Federation survived that was because of the Romulans joining in and the Cardassians switching sides.

But The Doctor would win hands down. He could stop the Federation before it even existed if he felt like it would be the right thing to do.
Demented Hamsters
18-01-2007, 04:35
Voyager did it on at least one occassion. Of course they did it through a rather deux ex machina of a "crack in the event horizon"
Which isn't as cool a deux ex machina of, 'Hey! We invented the damn things!" used in Doctor Who.

Simply on the use of deux ex machinae the Doctor wins hands down.
Arthais101
18-01-2007, 04:53
Yes, and the only reason the Federation survived that was because of the Romulans joining in and the Cardassians switching sides.

But The Doctor would win hands down. He could stop the Federation before it even existed if he felt like it would be the right thing to do.

survived...against what though? The answer is "survived against an army genetically engineered for war created through decades of experimentation and the resources of an entire quadrent"
Bodies Without Organs
18-01-2007, 04:55
survived...against what though? The answer is "survived against an army genetically engineered for war created through decades of experimentation and the resources of an entire quadrent"

Which army - the cybermen, the daleks or the sontarans?
Arthais101
18-01-2007, 04:56
Who - the cybermen, the daleks or the sontarans?

Jem'Hadar, we're talking ST.
Demented Hamsters
18-01-2007, 06:42
Jem'Hadar, we're talking ST.
That's only one. As BWO pointed out, the Doctor has gone up against 3 races who fit with your definition and kicked their collective butts.
Llewdor
19-01-2007, 23:23
Me as well. I watched the entire two series hoping to see the Master and so far not one sign of him.
If and when he does turn up, I hope it's a spectacular multi-episode battle between them.

And where are the Ice Warriors, The Sea Devils and The Silurians!?
Maybe Eric Roberts ruined the role when he butchered it in the Paul McGann film.

I always liked the Rutans.

It was a really nice touch in the first Ecclestone episode to have the Autons there. A classic recurring enemy (Spearhead from Space, Terror of the Autons), but not something as predictable as Daleks or Cybermen. Plus, the Autons first appeared in John Pertwee's first episode, which really was the start of a new era for Doctor Who, and then they used them again to start this era.
Heikoku
20-01-2007, 01:14
The Doctor would win, easily. He has access to knowledge and technology FAR beyond the Federation simply by visiting future places. Further, he has taken on big numbers before.
The Aeson
20-01-2007, 01:36
That's only one. As BWO pointed out, the Doctor has gone up against 3 races who fit with your definition and kicked their collective butts.

Four, actually. Cyberman and Parallel Cybermen= 2.
The Aeson
20-01-2007, 01:44
Star Trek would win. Many of you are saying that Doctor Who would just bullshit his way to victory using made up science. Granted, that's an advantage but Star Trek does that too as well (not often though).

Star Trek has got two genius' on their side. Scotty and Geordie (two dialects in one job position!) who, like they do and most episodes, invent some sort of weird and wonderful technology thingy to save the day. That's how Trek works, thus Geordie/Scotty would develop some sort of anti-timelord device that could kill the Doctor. The'll be thirty minutes of uncertainty and doubt but in the last ten minutes of the Episode it will all work out and the Doctor would die. The last five minutes for morale issues and phatic talk with a corny joke at the end.

Cue music THE END.

Doctor Who stands no chance!

Yeah? The Doctor has a Timelord on his side. You have to remember, we're talking about The Oncoming Storm here. The guy who sent an entire army of Daleks and an entire army of Cybermen to hell. The Lonely God. The Last of the Timelords (or is he? :eek:).

This is the guy that beat Satan, by His Noodly Appendage!
Bodies Without Organs
20-01-2007, 02:12
Maybe Eric Roberts ruined the role when he butchered it in the Paul McGann film.

I think the role had already been pretty well butchered by the time it got passed to Ainley.
Greebo Matlock
23-01-2007, 19:39
Cluichstan's right. No genuine anorak is going to call him Doctor Who.

I'm currently typing this below a framed original Dr. Who And the Daleks, Peter Cushing poster.

I've had four stories published in charity anthologies.

I maintain an extensive website called the Alternative Programme Guide.

And I've confessed my love of Wendy Padbury to the woman, in person, in LA in 1999.

And yeah, you can call the guy Doctor Who sometimes.

It's nothing to feel guilty or weird about.

It's natural. Everyone does it from time to time.
Greebo Matlock
23-01-2007, 19:40
Is it exactly the same as the one aired here? Or is it adapted for *shudders* american audiences?

You know I might have BELIEVED in that shudder of horror BEFORE I moved to England.

But, I mean, what are you worried about? That the BBC's quality programmes like Bargain Hunt, Cash In the Attic, Flog It, Location Location Location, Home Under the Hammer, etc etc are going to have there ultra quality leeched out?

Are you worried that they might drop such shows as Neighbours and replace them with some trashy American fare?

99% of all the shows on BBC are appalling.
The Alma Mater
23-01-2007, 19:42
But, I mean, what are you worried about? That the BBC's quality programmes like Bargain Hunt, Cash In the Attic, Flog It, Location Location Location, Home Under the Hammer, etc etc are going to have there ultra quality leeched out?

Impossible as it may seem, US tv has managed that - yes.
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 19:52
Four, actually. Cyberman and Parallel Cybermen= 2.

Five if you want to throw in the Movellans.
Bodies Without Organs
23-01-2007, 19:54
And I've confessed my love of Wendy Padbury to the woman, in person, in LA in 1999.

You are Charles Daniels, and I claim my five pounds.
Mondoth
23-01-2007, 19:59
The Doctor wins, he even beats the Q.

Unless we're talking about Voyager, because janeway can pilot her ship through a crack in an event horizon, never mind the very definition of event horizon precludes anything resembling a crack in it even theoretically hypothetically pretending to exist. you just can't beat that.

:)
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 20:09
And I've confessed my love of Wendy Padbury to the woman, in person, in LA in 1999.

I always loved her, too. She was adorable.

http://iaith.tapetrade.net/doctorwho/images/zoe2.jpg
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 20:15
http://www.christopherjonesart.com/images/tardis_lager/tardis_lager.gif

Doctor Who has now won this thread. :cool:
Khadgar
23-01-2007, 20:18
Anyone who can travel at will throughout time is basically a god. I often wonder why the Doctor doesn't show more power. You'd think he'd be vastly more powerful than he's shown.
Bodies Without Organs
23-01-2007, 20:19
Anyone who can travel at will throughout time is basically a god. I often wonder why the Doctor doesn't show more power. You'd think he'd be vastly more powerful than he's shown.

Have you missed the whole 'he can't actually travel at will throughout time' malarky?
Similization
23-01-2007, 20:26
Am I the only one who misses the 3rd Doctor by the way?
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 20:28
Am I the only one who misses the 3rd Doctor by the way?

I miss the stories, which were excellent. The Fourth Doctor, as a character, pwned him, though.
Bodies Without Organs
23-01-2007, 20:39
Am I the only one who misses the 3rd Doctor by the way?

Have to say I prefered the 1st, 2nd and 5th - the more uncertain about themselves and the less action-prone the better, in my book.
Similization
23-01-2007, 20:41
I miss the stories, which were excellent. The Fourth Doctor, as a character, pwned him, though.Tom Baker? I'll grant you he was a HELL of a lot better than the two next guys, but you can't seriously mean he made a better Dooctor than John Pertwhatshisname.

I mean, it went from a man oozing style out of every fucking pore in his body, to some confused hippy with a 3 mile rag round his neck.
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 20:43
Tom Baker? I'll grant you he was a HELL of a lot better than the two next guys, but you can't seriously mean he made a better Dooctor than John Pertwhatshisname.

I mean, it went from a man oozing style out of every fucking pore in his body, to some confused hippy with a 3 mile rag round his neck.

Pertwee. And I am serious. It's the Doctor's little quirks in all of his incarnations that make him interesting. Pertwee's Doctor didn't really have any quirks other than his velvet smoking jacket and ruffled cuffs. Oh, and that stupid car. Oy...
Similization
23-01-2007, 20:56
Pertwee. And I am serious. It's the Doctor's little quirks in all of his incarnations that make him interesting. Pertwee's Doctor didn't really have any quirks other than his velvet smoking jacket and ruffled cuffs. Oh, and that stupid car. Oy...Bessie or the floaty thingy? I thought Bessie was cool. Always wanted to own my own actually, hehe.

Anyway, I completely disagree with you. Tom Baker's Doctor just overplayed the already existing quirks, to make up for his lack of charm. It's like James Bond (sort of). All the ones after Sean Connery have fought a losing battle to compensate for their lack of roguishness in one way or another.
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 20:58
Bessie or the floaty thingy? I thought Bessie was cool. Always wanted to own my own actually, hehe.

Bessie, although I did get a ride in it once. Got to dress in a real Cyberman costume that day, too (by real, I mean one that had actually been used in the show). Lemme tell ya, it was fun walking around the parking lot of a mall in that bad boy and carrying the blaster rifle! :cool:

I'd forgotten about the hovercraft. That thing was even dumber.
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 21:10
Besides, the Doctor is from Great Britain. Star Trek is from the U.S. Need I remind the British who gobsmacked whom back in the late 1770's? ;) (I'm just kidding. I know it wouldn't have been possible without French and Spanish intervention. Don't hurt me please.)


Oh, FFS...let's not go down this road, even with the white text in your post. Just don't please.
Kyronea
23-01-2007, 21:11
Have you missed the whole 'he can't actually travel at will throughout time' malarky?

...wait, he can't? So everyone saying he'd go back and render the Federation out of existance are just bullshitting?!

I changed my mind! The Federation wins. The Doctor loses.

Besides, the Doctor is from Great Britain. Star Trek is from the U.S. Need I remind the British who gobsmacked whom back in the late 1770's? ;) (I'm just kidding. I know it wouldn't have been possible without French and Spanish intervention. Don't hurt me please.)
Similization
23-01-2007, 21:11
Bessie, although I did get a ride in it once. Got to dress in a real Cyberman costume that day, too (by real, I mean one that had actually been used in the show). Lemme tell ya, it was fun walking around the parking lot of a mall in that bad boy and carrying the blaster rifle! :cool:Ack! I'm enough of a geek to envy you like hell, but not enough of one to ever have shit like that happen to me :(
If you took pics, post them!

I'd forgotten about the hovercraft. That thing was even dumber.Bessie wasn't dumb! The hovercraft was, but hey.. You're comparing it to the K9 Doctor. As far as dumb goes, that critter wins every time.

Funny.. It's not like I really disliked Tom Baker. He wasn't a total disaster like Colin Baker (Damn I hated that ****), he just didn't measure up to Pertwee's standard. And of course.. The stories weren't anywhere near as good on average.
Similization
23-01-2007, 21:14
...wait, he can't? So everyone saying he'd go back and render the Federation out of existance are just bullshitting?!Not necessarily. I haven't seen all the new Dr. Who shit yet, but in the history of the show, he's frequently been prevented from doing his own thing in various ways. I believe he's currently free to zip around as he pleases though.
Bodies Without Organs
23-01-2007, 21:15
I believe he's currently free to zip around as he pleases though.

Free to zip around, yes. In control of where and when he ends up most of the time, no.
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 21:20
Ack! I'm enough of a geek to envy you like hell, but not enough of one to ever have shit like that happen to me :(
If you took pics, post them!

Oh, man, I wish I still had 'em! My dumbass dad had to pass out drunk while smoking, though. The resulting fire took out not just those pics, but almost all of them from my youth (I was in high school when the Who trailer rolled through my hometown). I also lost all of my tapes of the old episodes. I had all the ones that were still in existence after the BBC fire, from the first Doctor up through the sixth, and about half of the seventh (I was off at uni by the time they aired the latter half of the seventh Doctor's episodes here in the US). :(

Bessie wasn't dumb! The hovercraft was, but hey.. You're comparing it to the K9 Doctor. As far as dumb goes, that critter wins every time.

Oh, I despised K9, too. I can't believe they gave that little piece of shit his own spin-off! :eek:

Funny.. It's not like I really disliked Tom Baker. He wasn't a total disaster like Colin Baker (Damn I hated that ****), he just didn't measure up to Pertwee's standard. And of course.. The stories weren't anywhere near as good on average.

Colin Baker was, by far, the WORST! He was even worse than Troughton, which says a lot. Like I said, though, the stories in the Pertwee era were much better. I just liked the portrayal by Tom Baker better. Simple difference of preference, that's all. Plus, Tom Baker was the first one I saw (had to catch them in reruns on public television here back then), so that's what I started on.
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 21:21
Free to zip around, yes. In control of where and when he ends up most of the time, no.

That's mostly cuz he's got a crappy, out-of-repair Type 42 TARDIS, though.
Bodies Without Organs
23-01-2007, 21:23
That's mostly cuz he's got a crappy, out-of-repair Type 42 TARDIS, though.

Type 40.
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 21:28
Type 40.

Right, 40. My bad. That damn number just sticks in my head, thanks to Hitchhiker's Guide. :D

I've been racking my brain, though, trying to remember what type the Master's was. I wanna say 68... http://209.85.48.8/html/emoticons/unsure.gif
Similization
23-01-2007, 22:01
Oh, man, I wish I still had 'em! My dumbass dad had to pass out drunk while smoking, though. The resulting fire took out not just those pics, but almost all of them from my youth (I was in high school when the Who trailer rolled through my hometown). I also lost all of my tapes of the old episodes. I had all the ones that were still in existence after the BBC fire, from the first Doctor up through the sixth, and about half of the seventh (I was off at uni by the time they aired the latter half of the seventh Doctor's episodes here in the US). :(I hope you beat the guy with a brick. Burning down the house I could forgive, but burning old Dr. Who tapes & props pics?!Oh, I despised K9, too. I can't believe they gave that little piece of shit his own spin-off! :eek:I never even knew there was such a thing. I guess living in mostly Dr. Who free countries has its advantages, haha.Colin Baker was, by far, the WORST!No argument there. There's not a lot of TV shows I really love. The Young Ones & Dr. Who is pretty much it. I've always wanted to rape Colin fucking Baker with a chainsaw for what he did to that show. Plus, Tom Baker was the first one I saw (had to catch them in reruns on public television here back then), so that's what I started on.Maybe that's the reason. My first brush with Dr. Who was reruns of John Pertwee shows, and to me he'll always be The Doctor. Type 40.And I thought I was a Dr. Who geek...
Come summer I'll build a fucking TARDIS just to feel like a proper geek again! Take that! Hahaha
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 22:09
I hope you beat the guy with a brick. Burning down the house I could forgive, but burning old Dr. Who tapes & props pics?!

I still get a tear in my eye when I think of it. Now, to get 'em on DVD is gonna cost me a bundle.

I never even knew there was such a thing. I guess living in mostly Dr. Who free countries has its advantages, haha.

Yeah, K9 and Friends. *gag*

No argument there. There's not a lot of TV shows I really love. The Young Ones & Dr. Who is pretty much it. I've always wanted to rape Colin fucking Baker with a chainsaw for what he did to that show.

To be honest, he almost made me stop watching. But then, I was a teenager, and checking out Peri's tits helped. ;)

Maybe that's the reason. My first brush with Dr. Who was reruns of John Pertwee shows, and to me he'll always be The Doctor.

Understandable.

And I thought I was a Dr. Who geek...
Come summer I'll build a fucking TARDIS just to feel like a proper geek again! Take that! Hahaha

I was actually looking at plans for bulding your own TARDIS online a little while ago... http://209.85.48.8/9854/48/emo/blush.gif
Similization
23-01-2007, 22:25
I still get a tear in my eye when I think of it. Now, to get 'em on DVD is gonna cost me a bundle.If I had access to a decent connection, I'd offer to make you some iso's. Apart from the Colin stinkin' Baker seasons & the current shit, I have all the DVDs (and The Young Ones too, for that matter, hehe).To be honest, he almost made me stop watching. But then, I was a teenager, and checking out Peri's tits helped. ;)I can't even imagine how desperate you'd have to be to sit through that shit. I mean, I've tried to watch it with my good friend & fellow Dr. Who maniac, and we couldn't even stomack the shit after 2 bottles of Swedish homebrew. And of course, neither one of us could find the TV next morning.. Or afternoon.. Or evening..
I guess the morale is: don't try watching the the shit. It'll make you go blind. For hours.I was actually looking at plans for bulding your own TARDIS online a little while ago... http://209.85.48.8/9854/48/emo/blush.gifWell don't I feel original now?
But on the positive side, it'll be a lot less complicated to build the damn thing.
Cluichstan
23-01-2007, 22:32
If I had access to a decent connection, I'd offer to make you some iso's.

Damn, that would be sweet!

Apart from the Colin stinkin' Baker seasons & the current shit, I have all the DVDs (and The Young Ones too, for that matter, hehe).I can't even imagine how desperate you'd have to be to sit through that shit. I mean, I've tried to watch it with my good friend & fellow Dr. Who maniac, and we couldn't even stomack the shit after 2 bottles of Swedish homebrew. And of course, neither one of us could find the TV next morning.. Or afternoon.. Or evening..
I guess the morale is: don't try watching the the shit. It'll make you go blind. For hours.

Well, like I said, I was a teenager. Peri's breasts kept me around. ;)

Well don't I feel original now?
But on the positive side, it'll be a lot less complicated to build the damn thing.

Neither of us is original if I could find plans online. ;)

Doubt I'll actually go through with it, though. I think my gf might kill me were I to try. :eek:
Similization
23-01-2007, 23:21
Damn, that would be sweet!If you have a lightning fast connection, you can drop me a TG.Well, like I said, I was a teenager. Peri's breasts kept me around. ;)Teens are sad :D
I just nicked my brothers porn.Doubt I'll actually go through with it, though. I think my gf might kill me were I to try. :eek:You're planning on keeping it in the house?! Hahahaha! I don't blame the girl. That'd piss me off too :p
Demented Hamsters
24-01-2007, 02:06
Anyone who can travel at will throughout time is basically a god. I often wonder why the Doctor doesn't show more power. You'd think he'd be vastly more powerful than he's shown.
I thought it was because the Time Lords had taken a vow never to interfere with time and other cultures because the damage it can do to the time-line.
Lacadaemon
24-01-2007, 02:11
I thought it was because the Time Lords had taken a vow never to interfere with time and other cultures because the damage it can do to the time-line.

Nah.

They are just lazy usually. They had no problem interfering with the fendahleen or the daleks - amongst others. /enddrwhonerd.
Arrkendommer
24-01-2007, 02:13
The Doctor pwns no matter what situation.
Dobbsworld
24-01-2007, 04:58
The Doctor pwns no matter what situation.

*to no one in particular*

He's right, you know.
Boonytopia
24-01-2007, 09:56
The Doctor pwns no matter what situation.

Agreed.
Neo Undelia
24-01-2007, 10:01
Death Star
Cameroi
24-01-2007, 10:40
in any war, everyone ultimately looses one way or another. i don't see the most powerful battle crusers being very effective against the temporal flanking manuvers a tardus is capable of.

=^^=
.../\...
Dryks Legacy
24-01-2007, 10:49
in any war, everyone ultimately looses one way or another. i don't see the most powerful battle crusers being very effective against the temporal flanking manuvers a tardus is capable of.

=^^=
.../\...

It's TARDIS.

What about physical manuvers? I doubt any of the relatively large ships from Star Trek could dodge cars on a freeway.
Cameroi
24-01-2007, 10:55
It's TARDIS.

What about physical manuvers? I doubt any of the relatively large ships from Star Trek could dodge cars on a freeway.

oops, i fur got, time und relative dimentions IN space. yup.

well for space only manuverse they COULD send out armed scouts, but the scenario is still rediculous. hell; just land the tardis on the bridge of the fleet's flag ship and steal the admiral's keys!

then split elsewhen in time, and laugh yer ass off!

=^^=
.../\...
Barheim
24-01-2007, 10:58
Well lets see...I know what Star Trek is and I know who Gary Coleman is...

...and I have no clue who Dr. Who is...

So it's between Gary Coleman and Star Trek...and Gary Coleman is creepy so Star Trek wins.
Dryks Legacy
24-01-2007, 11:28
...and I have no clue who Dr. Who is...

YouTube can fix that..... this season looks pretty cool.
Bodies Without Organs
24-01-2007, 14:48
oops, i fur got, time und relative dimentions IN space. yup.

...or for the old-school amongst us Time And Relative Dimension* In Space.


* singular.
Cluichstan
24-01-2007, 15:48
If you have a lightning fast connection, you can drop me a TG.

Methinks I'm gonna hafta do just that. :D

Teens are sad :D
I just nicked my brothers porn.

I had my own porn, but you can't be checking it out all the time. :p

You're planning on keeping it in the house?! Hahahaha! I don't blame the girl. That'd piss me off too :p

Where else would I keep my very own TARDIS? I live in a condo complex. I doubt very much if the condo association would appreciate me parking it outside. ;)

I thought it was because the Time Lords had taken a vow never to interfere with time and other cultures because the damage it can do to the time-line.

That was their official line, yes, but they didn't have a problem in the classic series with hijacking the Doctor's TARDIS to send him on missions (e.g., "Genesis of the Daleks").

Death Star

Y'know, my nation has a Death Star (http://z8.invisionfree.com/Antarctic_Paradise/index.php?showtopic=19). :D

...and I have no clue who Dr. Who is...

*thwap*

YouTube can fix that..... this season looks pretty cool.

Honestly, I had relatively low expectations of the revamped series, but they turned out to be unfounded. The writing is great, and both new Doctors -- Eccleston and Tennant -- have been outstanding. We in the US are still waiting on the third season, though. I'm interested to see where they take it (and, my British mates, PLEASE don't spoil anything for me!).
Bodies Without Organs
24-01-2007, 15:56
We in the US are still waiting on the third season, though. I'm interested to see where they take it (and, my British mates, PLEASE don't spoil anything for me!).

Back in the UK we're still waiting for the third season as well.
Cluichstan
24-01-2007, 15:56
Back in the UK we're still waiting for the third season as well.

Whew! Okay. I thought I saw something about it starting there this spring, but I wasn't sure. Just wanted to cover myself by putting my hands over my ears and loudly singing, "MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB, LITTLE LAMB..." ;)
Grave_n_idle
24-01-2007, 16:25
The Young Ones & Dr. Who is pretty much it. I've always wanted to rape Colin fucking Baker with a chainsaw for what he did to that show.

You people can't be serious?

Peter Davison was the worst thing to happen to the franchise - until Sylvester McCoy.

Compared to what went before and after, Colin Baker was more than adequate.
Bodies Without Organs
24-01-2007, 16:30
Peter Davison was the worst thing to happen to the franchise - until Sylvester McCoy.

Davison was fine, but the show as a whole was slipping under JNT, and the overcrowding of central characters certainly didn't help.
Grave_n_idle
24-01-2007, 16:37
Davison was fine, but the show as a whole was slipping under JNT, and the overcrowding of central characters certainly didn't help.

:) I notice you couldn't defend Sylvester McCoy...

Of course, I still think the best Doctor was Rowan Atkinson...
Cluichstan
24-01-2007, 16:40
You people can't be serious?

Peter Davison was the worst thing to happen to the franchise - until Sylvester McCoy.

Compared to what went before and after, Colin Baker was more than adequate.

Here, sir, is your strait-jacket. Please put it on and report to your padded cell.
Bodies Without Organs
24-01-2007, 16:42
:) I notice you couldn't defend Sylvester McCoy...

Personally I believe that McCoy and Colin Baker work much better in the Big Finish audios than they ever did on TV - Baker particularly shines after coming back to the role fifteen or so years later. The fact that he isn't forced to work against a succession of silly girls probably helps. On TV the whole series just looked particularly cheap and nasty (as opposed to cheap and cheerful) during their times. Once again I think they both suffered greatly from unsympathetic production and direction.
Cluichstan
24-01-2007, 16:50
You seriously contend Colin Baker was inferior to Sylvester McCoy?

You might not want to part with that comfortable looking garment right yet...

Colin Baker = Worst Doctor

Period.
Grave_n_idle
24-01-2007, 16:52
Here, sir, is your strait-jacket. Please put it on and report to your padded cell.

You seriously contend Colin Baker was inferior to Sylvester McCoy?

You might not want to part with that comfortable looking garment right yet...
Grave_n_idle
24-01-2007, 16:58
Personally I believe that McCoy and Colin Baker work much better in the Big Finish audios than they ever did on TV - Baker particularly shines after coming back to the role fifteen or so years later. The fact that he isn't forced to work against a succession of silly girls probably helps. On TV the whole series just looked particularly cheap and nasty (as opposed to cheap and cheerful) during their times. Once again I think they both suffered greatly from unsympathetic production and direction.

I'm not going to argue the production. I was more than a little pleased by this newest set of Doctor Who episodes, just because they actually looked like there had been a budget, for a change. But, I always appreciated Baker's attempts in the role - especially after the insipid Davison - I just lamented the fact that the rest of the show was allowed to dissolve around him.

Incidentally - I also believe McCoy was actually imported for the specific purpose of killing the franchise. The BBC had tried to do it several times - they almost managed it by breaking the seasons in half under Colin Baker.
Greebo Matlock
24-01-2007, 17:19
Impossible as it may seem, US tv has managed that - yes.

What did America do?

Replace Tim Wonacott with a trained monkey who breaks antique vases?

Did they take Location, Location, Location and turn it into a political platform for Bono?

What???
Greebo Matlock
24-01-2007, 17:21
You are Charles Daniels, and I claim my five pounds.

OH MY GOD!!!

I AM!!!

"They found me, I don't know how, but they found me....RUN FOR IT MARTY!"

Who are you??
Greebo Matlock
24-01-2007, 17:27
I always loved her, too. She was adorable.

http://iaith.tapetrade.net/doctorwho/images/zoe2.jpg

yeah!

I've never fallen for a para-psychology librarian quite so hard before.
Greebo Matlock
24-01-2007, 17:29
Anyone who can travel at will throughout time is basically a god. I often wonder why the Doctor doesn't show more power. You'd think he'd be vastly more powerful than he's shown.

Well I think this has been addressed with "I don't want to rule the universe, I want to see it."

He doesn't want to show off his great and godly powers if he doesn't absolutely need to.

It's like what Patrick Troughton said, what's the point of fighting cavemen with laser guns? It's totally unfair. it's best just to pick up what sticks and stones you can and fight them with whatever is on hand.
Cluichstan
24-01-2007, 17:35
Sorry... I just can't take this seriously. Did you even see the Sylvester McCoy attempt? Or the Peter Davison thing? Or that little movie venture?

I don't count that awful movie that Fox aired. That was insulting to any real Whovian.

And yes, I saw all of both the McCoy and Davison episodes. Not a high-point of the series, but certainly nowhere near as low as the Colin Baker crap.
Cluichstan
24-01-2007, 17:37
yeah!

I've never fallen for a para-psychology librarian quite so hard before.

Hottest companion ever, in my opinion. :cool:
Grave_n_idle
24-01-2007, 17:37
Colin Baker = Worst Doctor

Period.

Sorry... I just can't take this seriously. Did you even see the Sylvester McCoy attempt? Or the Peter Davison thing? Or that little movie venture?
Greebo Matlock
24-01-2007, 17:39
Right, 40. My bad. That damn number just sticks in my head, thanks to Hitchhiker's Guide. :D

I've been racking my brain, though, trying to remember what type the Master's was. I wanna say 68... http://209.85.48.8/html/emoticons/unsure.gif

Yeah the Doctor's model is technically called a "Type 40 TT capsule".
It was made obsolete ages before he stole it.

We've seen an older one as Professor Chronotis had a type 2.

I think it's possible that the Master's TARDIS was a Type 51 as that model had a serious bug - Type 51s commonly materialised several feet into the air. And I THINK I remember the Master's tardis doing that...

...oh but so did the Doctor's in Fury From the Deep.

I dunno, I'm not totally up to date on TARDIS models! :)
Bodies Without Organs
24-01-2007, 17:39
Who are you??

Just a lurker on radw. Don't worry, I'm not technically stalking you. I think that was quite possibly the fastest real-world recognition that NS has ever seen though.

Particular fan of your 'review' of The Visitation/The Visit, I'll have to say. If you'll allow a touch of criticism though, I generally prefered the shorter write-ups you were doing for the first couple of doctors to the more extended ones you're doing these days - the overall quality hasn't gone down, but I just found the briefer, pithier ones more to the point.

You ever going to get round to finishing the 'An Unruly Child' novelization?
Greebo Matlock
24-01-2007, 17:45
Just a lurker on radw. Don't worry, I'm not technically stalking you. I think that was quite possibly the fastest real-world recognition that NS has ever seen though.

Well I'm such a weird person with such an insanely overbearing personality I can't hide myself for long, even if I want to!
*smile*

Thrilled to be recognised!


Particular fan of your 'review' of The Visitation/The Visit, I'll have to say.

Really?? Fantastic! I'll go back and read it and see if I can remember what I was thinking and what kind of mood I was in when I wrote it! Always good to know what worked!

If you'll allow a touch of criticism though,

Oh sure! Truckloads! I'm eager to learn more all the time!

I generally prefered the shorter write-ups you were doing for the first couple of doctors to the more extended ones you're doing these days - the overall quality hasn't gone down, but I just found the briefer, pithier ones more to the point.

Yeah I think a few of them are ridiculously long - such as my write ups for The Curse of Fenric and The Five Doctors, which I think you could probably publish as novelizations!!

I got really addicted to the idea of building story arcs and examining each little moment. I think I might tend to shy away from the epic insanity, as it takes tons of time and I'm fairly short on time these days.

So I'll probably try to find a good middle ground.

You ever going to get round to finishing the 'An Unruly Child' novelization?

YES! I definitely will. And I'll get a small number of copies printed out.
BUT I am flooded with work, and buying a house, and all sorts of craziness, so it's something I'm really looking forward to doing at the first sensible possible moment!

Please keep reading them, and I'll keep writing them!!! :)

Lovely to hear some feedback!
Bodies Without Organs
24-01-2007, 17:45
He doesn't want to show off his great and godly powers if he doesn't absolutely need to.

Thankfully it appears that all the 'more than just a Timelord' nonsense from the McCoy era has been consigned to the dustbin of history.

I think this might link to why I have particular soft spots for Davison and Troughton - they both played the role as primarily moral characters who often saw themselves as having no real way of winning, in contrast to the over-confidence or behind the scenes ploys of Baker(1), Pertwee and McCoy.
Cluichstan
24-01-2007, 17:46
You ever going to get round to finishing the 'An Unruly Child' novelization?

Don't you mean "An Unearthly Child," or am I missing something?
Greebo Matlock
24-01-2007, 17:51
Thankfully it appears that all the 'more than just a Timelord' nonsense from the McCoy era has been consigned to the dustbin of history.

I wouldn't be so sure about that! I mean, he's the last living time lord, it's obvious that whatever it was that destroyed the time lords and the daleks and most the rest of the truly advanced races in the universe (Nestene, gelth, etc) he was the guy who made the decision and pushed the button.

So there's no real reason storywise so far for any line like "I'm not jst merely another time lord" because all the time lords are dead.

But at the same time...I think if he's the only one of a god-like super-race to survive -- something pretty special is going on.

I think this might link to why I have particular soft spots for Davison and Troughton - they both played the role as primarily moral characters who often saw themselves as having no real way of winning, in contrast to the over-confidence or behind the scenes ploys of Baker(1), Pertwee and McCoy.

I really loved Troughton's approach. He seemed beatable and vulnerable, but he was really always just manipulating the situation in a devastatingly clever way.

Davison on the other hand, was truly vulnerable and seemed to defeat evil by the seat of his pants.
Bodies Without Organs
24-01-2007, 17:55
Really?? Fantastic! I'll go back and read it and see if I can remember what I was thinking and what kind of mood I was in when I wrote it! Always good to know what worked!

I think it was the UNIT/WANK dating thing.


Please keep reading them, and I'll keep writing them!!! :)

Lovely to hear some feedback!

Thanks for them, and well done on (briefly) having written them for all televised adventures.

For them reading this who don't know what we're on about: http://www.whoguide.com/guide1.htm
Bodies Without Organs
24-01-2007, 18:03
I wouldn't be so sure about that! I mean, he's the last living time lord, it's obvious that whatever it was that destroyed the time lords and the daleks and most the rest of the truly advanced races in the universe (Nestene, gelth, etc) he was the guy who made the decision and pushed the button.

I think it is fairly safe to say that he isn't - even if all the current speculation concerning the Face of Boe turns out to be an elaborate red herring, I still think we will find that a survivor or two pops up if the series goes the distance.
Cluichstan
24-01-2007, 18:03
Quite possibly: http://www.whoguide.com/anunruly.htm

Yeah, the very first episode.
Bodies Without Organs
24-01-2007, 18:07
Don't you mean "An Unearthly Child," or am I missing something?

Quite possibly: http://www.whoguide.com/anunruly.htm
Bodies Without Organs
24-01-2007, 18:23
Anybody else catching the current Radio 7 broadcasts? I've only heard the first one, and yeah, it was okay, not amazing, but pretty good. I'd rank it as one of the better Dalek audios - not in the league of Jubilee, but not pointless timewasting like Return Of The Daleks either. So far Lucie Miller ain't no Charlie Pollard though, but I'll give her time.

I seriously can't believe that the BBC actually produced a series called The Horror Of Glam Rock.
Moonbase
24-01-2007, 19:36
Anyone who can travel at will throughout time is basically a god. I often wonder why the Doctor doesn't show more power. You'd think he'd be vastly more powerful than he's shown.

Starfleet is quite capable of time travel themselves. They just don't like to do it.

Slingshot Effect (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Slingshot_effect)
Guardian of Forever (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Guardian_of_Forever)
Orb of Time (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Orb_of_Time)
Llewdor
24-01-2007, 20:39
Don't you mean "An Unearthly Child," or am I missing something?
There is an Unearthly Child novelisation. I have it (or I did when I was younger).