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Ok, so I was on Snopes Religious page, and they had a link to the Chick's tract. You know those little pamphlets that you can find in truck stops explaining about how Jesus died for our sins etc. I thought it was just another innocent publication, until I saw this.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

I read this, and apparently we (we meaning Roman Catholics) are not Christians. Why because apparently we first came from the Baal people, THEN we came from the Babylons, etc. They even went as far to say that we worship the little wafers. I mean yes we do believe that after the father says the blessing, they do turn into the blood and body of Jesus Christ, but we don't worship them, we eat them and drink them dammit. Then they turn it up a notch saying that Mass (our church service) is actually a service to Satan because we apparently worship a "dying Christ". I dunno, something about the crucifix. After basically degrading Mass, then it goes on to The Pope. Saying that we believe th Pope is never infallible, and has never sinned. Ok, let me take the time to explain something to you people who are not familiar with the whole Pope being infallible thing. It's not that he's always right and never sinned. He is only infallible when either sitting on the seat of Saint Peter or speaking on spiritual matter. Then there's the talk about Purgatory. Now the way Purgatory was explained to me, was that it's a purification process that we go through before we can enter into Heaven. However I have my own questions about that since I was also taught that we enter into Heaven through the blood of Jesus Christ, not through Purgatory. Now if that wasn't enough, apparently whoever wrote this crap knew that the author of the book of Revelation was talking about the Roman Catholic Church in Revelation 17:5

And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

and again in Revelation 18:4

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Ok, so whoever owns Chick Publications obviously hate the Catholic Church. Maybe he was molested by a priest, I dunno. (bad joke I know, but I just had to say it). And any rational being who hate something would probably not dedicate a whole section to it. Well, apparently Jack Chick is no rational being.

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/catholicism/

So there we have it. Roman Catholic are not Christians, we worship various Gods, including Baal, Isis, and a piece of uneven bread, and unless we convert to Protestantism, we will forever burn in Hell. I mean it's not like this church was most likely a spin off of the Roman Catholic Church. Oops.

Ahh I hate idiots.

P.S. He is also misguided about how we view Mary.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0040/0040_01.asp

I believe I speak for all Catholics when I say WE DO NOT WORSHIP MARY YOU IDIOTS!

I will explain Mary significance in our church when I wake up.

Of course he's bat-shit insane - this is the same man that published a tract claiming that Dungeons and Dragons players worshipped 'Dar Magics' and would use them to kill their parents, and that the Catholic Church was the main reason behind the Holocaust...

Congratulations you've found what most of the forum has known for a long while

There's even a "black" tract now.

Wow....

If there was ever a prize for Dickery, this guy would win it every time.

Well, apparently Jack Chick is no rational being.The irony.

There's even a "black" tract now.

Wow....

If there was ever a prize for Dickery, this guy would win it every time.

I think it'd be a fight between him and Fred Phelps.

I think it'd be a fight between him and Fred Phelps.

Hmm, a fight to the death, and we just kill them both?

I do so like Jack Chick. His paranoia and hate brightens up my dull afternoons.
Also, if you're going to denounce something like evolution or even Buddhism, it helps if you know SOMETHING about them first.

I do so like Jack Chick. His paranoia and hate brightens up my dull afternoons.
Also, if you're going to denounce something like evolution or even Buddhism, it helps if you know SOMETHING about them first.

Oh comon Eltaphilon, he doesn't need to bother! He's Protestant, he's going to Heaven, and the rest of us are just devil worshiping Sinners who will burn in the lake of Hell!

Oh comon Eltaphilon, he doesn't need to bother! He's Protestant, he's going to Heaven, and the rest of us are just devil worshiping Sinners who will burn in the lake of Hell!

Oh yeah. How could I forget when he has it in every thing he writes.

Oh yeah. How could I forget when he has it in every thing he writes.

I love it how he calls the Church "whore" over and over again. You know people often do that when they want something so badly to be true, that they'll just say it over and over and over until they believe it. Ahh I love delusion.

we do believe that after the father says the blessing, they do turn into the blood and body of Jesus Christ

just a question : do catholics think that the wine and bread actually turn into the blood and flesh of jesus, or is it a metaphor?

just a question : do catholics think that the wine and bread actually turn into the blood and flesh of jesus, or is it a metaphor?

When Transubstantiation happens, Christ’s Eucharistic presence appears in the bread and wine.

When Transubstantiation happens, Christ’s Eucharistic presence appears in the bread and wine.

so there is a physical transformation in the bread and wine during the prayer of the clergyman?

so there is a physical transformation in the bread and wine during the prayer of the clergyman?

I think it more metaphor than physical, I'm not really sure. Look, let me ask Father Gray and get back to you on that. Because now I'm confused about it too.

Actually, yes, when transubstantiation occurs we believe that the bread and wine physically become the body and blood of Christ. They are no longer wine or bread.

Actually, yes, when transubstantiation occurs we believe that the bread and wine physically become the body and blood of Christ. They are no longer wine or bread.

but they still taste like bread and wine?

but they still taste like bread and wine?

Yep.

About the transformation of the bread and the wine: yup, it's metaphorical. At least in an anthropological sense, since it's not the only religion/cult/belief where such a thing happens. In fact, such metaphorical "presence" is very much purely human nature - do we not "see" one thing in other things in a sprititual way whereas no ontological presence can be proven?

About purgatory: don't beat yourself up over it, since the whole purgatory thing is a late medieval / early renaissance invention to cover the needs of a rising urban lay society that wholeheartedly disagreed with the "or heaven, or fire and brimstone" ideal that had guided the christian religion thusfar. With the application of purgatory, and the "possibility" to enter heaven even after leading a not-so-sinfree life (through prayer and good deeds, read: paying hard cash, before actual death, and through prayer, read: paying hard cash by your progeny and friends, after actual death), they won over a lot of otherwise "pending" laymen to the church. So, it's not an integral part of "original" biblical spirituality, not by far.

Ok I can't read anymore of this site, just ugh, I swear this guy must've been molested by a priest.

Yep.

well, thanks for the clarification.

I got another question from this then : can this be considered canibalism? (philosophicaly of course)

About the transformation of the bread and the wine: yup, it's metaphorical. At least in an anthropological sense, since it's not the only religion/cult/belief where such a thing happens. In fact, such metaphorical "presence" is very much purely human nature - do we not "see" one thing in other things in a sprititual way whereas no ontological presence can be proven?

do you mean that it is a symbolic presence? the catechism seems to say that it is real.

well, thanks for the clarification.

I got another question from this then : can this be considered canibalism? (philosophicaly of course)

Nah, we're just eating God, not a human. :p

Jack Chick is batshit nuts.

Nah, we're just eating God, not a human. :p

but isn't jesus human in some way?

but isn't jesus human in some way?

I was just kidding. Nah we don't consider it cannibalism. Its simply a ritual to show that Jesus is in our body, and our body is his temple.

do you mean that it is a symbolic presence? the catechism seems to say that it is real.

I don't care about catechism, in this matter, for I was stating it from an athropological point of view. If your catechism states that it is a "real" presence, then it is from a catechistic point of view. But so do other religions/cults/beliefs, hence anthropologically speaking it is a symbolic presence, to cover the analogies with other religions/cults/beliefs. And for me, personally, it will always be a symbolic presence, since I don't believe in any possible real presence of any god/deity in any bread and wine. In short, I was by no means stating the catechism, for of course they would/could argue that it is a real presence - although, in practice, I get the feeling the symbolic value is condoned (at a funeral I attended a few weeks ago, the priest actually spoke of "symbolic presence").

I don't care about catechism, in this matter, for I was stating it from an athropological point of view. If your catechism states that it is a "real" presence, then it is from a catechistic point of view. But so do other religions/cults/beliefs, hence anthropologically speaking it is a symbolic presence, to cover the analogies with other religions/cults/beliefs. And for me, personally, it will always be a symbolic presence, since I don't believe in any possible real presence of any god/deity in any bread and wine. In short, I was by no means stating the catechism, for of course they would/could argue that it is a real presence - although, in practice, I get the feeling the symbolic value is condoned (at a funeral I attended a few weeks ago, the priest actually spoke of "symbolic presence").

hum, what do you mean by anthropological?

well, thanks for the clarification.

I got another question from this then : can this be considered canibalism? (philosophicaly of course)

I'm sorry, I know that's not the best way to explain it, but in some respects, it is. It's a matter of faith, and "Yep." is the best I could do.

Literally, it could be considered cannibalism. Philosophically, maybe not. Would eating a god be considered cannibalism? Probably not, because we ourselves are not gods.

So let me get this straight--what makes Jack Chick misguided is that he's slamming your particular religion as opposed to the myriad other reasons he ought to be considered misguided? Just want to make sure.

So let me get this straight--what makes Jack Chick misguided is that he's slamming your particular religion as opposed to the myriad other reasons he ought to be considered misguided? Just want to make sure.

The problem is not that he's slamming Catholicism so much that he's showing his ignorance of the religion itself. I've got no problem when people want to criticize something if they bother to learn about it.


Claiming anyone worships Mary pretty much shows that he doesn't even have a basic grasp of Catholicism, and while he's entitled to opinions, they mean very little. The further problem introduced by this is he's misrepresenting a religion to people who take him seriously.

So let me get this straight--what makes Jack Chick misguided is that he's slamming your particular religion as opposed to the myriad other reasons he ought to be considered misguided? Just want to make sure.

No - I think the point is that the OP is Catholic, so it is easy to see the errors. He (?) isn't denying that Chick is a scrotum on a lot of topics...

My new favorite one is entitled Birds and the bees. Every gay guy has an invisible demon pearched on the head or shoulder or romping around the back of every gay character in the book. Oh and one scene the demons were even kissing. Its a hillarious condemnation of school acceptence of gay people. To quote some of its brillaint lines wouldnt do it justice without seeing it in context with the rest of the story but rest assured its a face tear wiping event.

.....dammit ok just one...
(A gay couple in the front of a class show and tell type thing)

Gay guy 1 : Kids lots of great and famous people are gay. But some people are evil and intolerant.*

* those who refuse to support Gays.

Gay guy 2: They hate us and call us all kinds of nasty names. But if we get our way, they'll ALL be in prision.


Narrators voice: This is how the Gays are changing the way little school kids think.

I think Rotten.com puts it best:

One can only hope that when Jack Chick dies, whatever gods there be have enough of a sense of humor to subject him to one of his florid cartoon "O Henry" twist scenes in which Saint Peter rips off his mask to reveal a laughing Satan: "Ha ha! Jack Chick, you thought you were serving Jesus by peddling hate and fear, but..."

Ok, so I was on Snopes Religious page, and they had a link to the Chick's tract. You know those little pamphlets that you can find in truck stops explaining about how Jesus died for our sins etc. I thought it was just another innocent publication, until I saw this.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

I read this, and apparently we (we meaning Roman Catholics) are not Christians. Why because apparently we first came from the Baal people, THEN we came from the Babylons, etc. They even went as far to say that we worship the little wafers. I mean yes we do believe that after the father says the blessing, they do turn into the blood and body of Jesus Christ, but we don't worship them, we eat them and drink them dammit. Then they turn it up a notch saying that Mass (our church service) is actually a service to Satan because we apparently worship a "dying Christ". I dunno, something about the crucifix. After basically degrading Mass, then it goes on to The Pope. Saying that we believe th Pope is never infallible, and has never sinned. Ok, let me take the time to explain something to you people who are not familiar with the whole Pope being infallible thing. It's not that he's always right and never sinned. He is only infallible when either sitting on the seat of Saint Peter or speaking on spiritual matter. Then there's the talk about Purgatory. Now the way Purgatory was explained to me, was that it's a purification process that we go through before we can enter into Heaven. However I have my own questions about that since I was also taught that we enter into Heaven through the blood of Jesus Christ, not through Purgatory. Now if that wasn't enough, apparently whoever wrote this crap knew that the author of the book of Revelation was talking about the Roman Catholic Church in Revelation 17:5



and again in Revelation 18:4



Ok, so whoever owns Chick Publications obviously hate the Catholic Church. Maybe he was molested by a priest, I dunno. (bad joke I know, but I just had to say it). And any rational being who hate something would probably not dedicate a whole section to it. Well, apparently Jack Chick is no rational being.

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/catholicism/

So there we have it. Roman Catholic are not Christians, we worship various Gods, including Baal, Isis, and a piece of uneven bread, and unless we convert to Protestantism, we will forever burn in Hell. I mean it's not like this church was most likely a spin off of the Roman Catholic Church. Oops.

Ahh I hate idiots.

P.S. He is also misguided about how we view Mary.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0040/0040_01.asp

I believe I speak for all Catholics when I say WE DO NOT WORSHIP MARY YOU IDIOTS!

I will explain Mary significance in our church when I wake up.

He's insane, but nothing you said particularly evokes any sentiment, because I don't like religion.

He's insane, but nothing you said particularly evokes any sentiment, because I don't like religion.

Granted... but Chick's grasp of the teachings of Cathol is symptomatic of his approach to everything.

Ah Jack Chick, truly a role model for the aspiring idiot of today.

The problem is not that he's slamming Catholicism so much that he's showing his ignorance of the religion itself. I've got no problem when people want to criticize something if they bother to learn about it.

Claiming anyone worships Mary pretty much shows that he doesn't even have a basic grasp of Catholicism, and while he's entitled to opinions, they mean very little. The further problem introduced by this is he's misrepresenting a religion to people who take him seriously.

Indeed. I've read a variety of his tracts, and all of them contain massive errors with regard to other religions and even science. There's no way I can take him seriously if he doesn't even criticize his opponents, but merely torches a badly-drawn straw man.

Chick Tracts are hilarious. It is sad that people out there take them seriously. My favorite was the Ouija board tract where the little kids summoned satan on their dining room table.

Indeed. I've read a variety of his tracts, and all of them contain massive errors with regard to other religions and even science. There's no way I can take him seriously if he doesn't even criticize his opponents, but merely torches a badly-drawn straw man.
The straw men are his opponents. The character of Jack is such that his idea of evil blinds him to the possibility that they might be anything other than the caricatures he has painted of them.

Makes you feel sorry for the man, really.

Someone actually READ the tract?

Someone actually READ the tract?
You should too. They are a great source of humour.

My personal favorite is his view of what the world is like in an athiestic, new age, UN controlled, police state future.

You should too. They are a great source of humour.

No, I'll read a real comic, like Flaming Carrot.

Stop the fucking presses ladies and gentleman, we have some late edition BREAKING NEWS.

SOMEONE DOESNT LIKE JACK CHICK!

This SHOCKING development has STUNNED THE WORLD.

WHO could have SEEN IT COMING????

Chick is a interesting character. I've seen lots of discussion on D&D boards where his anti-gaming tirades make for much amusement. I do not find his tirades against the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church very amusing.

After all, without Jack Chick, "Love your enemies" would be too easy.

The straw men are his opponents. The character of Jack is such that his idea of evil blinds him to the possibility that they might be anything other than the caricatures he has painted of them.

Makes you feel sorry for the man, really.

I do feel sorry for him. His search for meaning in life has led him to believe in a religion of love and truth, which he uses as a means to spread hatred and falsehood. With that sort of massive inconsistency, it's no wonder his psyche is strained.

Of all the shit that the chick tracks spew what you get most worked up over is his misrepresentation of catholics?

Stop the fucking presses ladies and gentleman, we have some late edition BREAKING NEWS.

SOMEONE DOESNT LIKE JACK CHICK!

This SHOCKING development has STUNNED THE WORLD.

WHO could have SEEN IT COMING????

maybe a psychic?

Stop the fucking presses ladies and gentleman, we have some late edition BREAKING NEWS.

SOMEONE DOESNT LIKE JACK CHICK!

This SHOCKING development has STUNNED THE WORLD.

WHO could have SEEN IT COMING????

I sure as hell didn't but then I've never heard of him before today.

Is his name a pun?

Of all the shit that the chick tracks spew what you get most worked up over is his misrepresentation of catholics?

Well I am Catholic, so yea. I mean it's not to say that I support him on everything else. Hell I wish someone would hack the site to bring it down. I just find it funny that he calls the Roman Catholic Church a "counterfeit" church with a "counterfeit" Jesus and a "counterfeit" God. Which is ironic since all Protestant Churches steam from the Roman Catholic Church.

I just find it funny that he calls the Roman Catholic Church a "counterfeit" church with a "counterfeit" Jesus and a "counterfeit" God. Which is ironic since all Protestant Churches steam from the Roman Catholic Church.

The general question as to "why would protestants say the catholic chuch is wrong if protestantism split off from the catholic church" is remarkably easily answered by the recognition that the reason protestants split off from the catholic church is because they thought it was wrong.

It's not at all odd that a protestant would call the catholic church wrong, "even though" protestantism split off from catholicism...thinking it was wrong is the reason it split off in the first place.

The general question as to "why would protestants say the catholic chuch is wrong if protestantism split off from the catholic church" is remarkably easily answered by the recognition that the reason protestants split off from the catholic church is because they thought it was wrong.

It's not at all odd that a protestant would call the catholic church wrong, "even though" protestantism split off from catholicism...thinking it was wrong is the reason it split off in the first place.

True, but Jack just goes above and beyond just calling us wrong.

True, but Jack just goes above and beyond just calling us wrong.

It's great that you've just discovered Jack...DCD is a huge fan...but really...no one takes the man seriously. Well...not reasonably intelligent human beings anyway. And that's not because he disses Catholicism.

I love Jack Chick. I really do. I love his writing and his artwork.

They've provided me with endless hours of amusement.

I once saw a hilarious MST3K treatment of his tract on Dungeons & Dragons.. And for your viewing pleasure:

Dark Dungeons (http://www.humpin.org/mst3kdd/)

What's frightening is how many people believe this guy. Being serious here. Many people think Jack Chick is doing them a service by warning them of potential spiritual pitfalls. They look on him as being infallible (Which is ironic, since people like him beat up on Catholics for believing that of the Pope.) and will take his word for it in any case.

My religion is one of the ones this guy likes to beat up on, but it seems his favorite is Cathoilcism.

I love Jack Chick. I really do. I love his writing and his artwork.

They've provided me with endless hours of amusement.

I once saw a hilarious MST3K treatment of his tract on Dungeons & Dragons.. And for your viewing pleasure:

Dark Dungeons (http://www.humpin.org/mst3kdd/)



ROFL That is GREAT! I wish they'd do more of that to these stupid tracts.

Innocent? Nothing of his is innocent. He has a tract saying if you molest your daughter and give her an STD, and later you accept god and beg forgiveness, you will go to heaven. This is explained by a DOCTOR.

In another one, a girl commits suicide because her dungeons and dragons character died. This "prooves" that dungeons and dragons is evil.

In another one, a girl gets pregnant and she wants an abortion. Her boyfriend tries to stop her, but her "evil" teacher tries to get her one anyway. It ends in a hugging scene.

In yet another, Islam is "revealed" to be a plot of the Catholic Church.

Let's not forget the many in which Halloween is shown to be evil.

And my personal favorite, the one where a nazi concentration camp guard goes to heaven while the jews he tortured burn in hell.

Jack Chick is a bastard.

I do feel sorry for him. His search for meaning in life has led him to believe in a religion of love and truth, which he uses as a means to spread hatred and falsehood. With that sort of massive inconsistency, it's no wonder his psyche is strained.
I don't. I don't feel sorry for anyone who is supposedly looking for a meaning in life and comes up with that kind of shit. They deserve whatever private hell they're living in.

I don't. I don't feel sorry for anyone who is supposedly looking for a meaning in life and comes up with that kind of shit. They deserve whatever private hell they're living in.

I have to agree with Nazz.

I don't. I don't feel sorry for anyone who is supposedly looking for a meaning in life and comes up with that kind of shit. They deserve whatever private hell they're living in.

*shrug* I guess I'm just a firm believer in having compassion on even the most twisted of us.

And yes, that includes people like Hitler or Stalin or Osama Bin Laden, before anyone asks. :)

*shrug* I guess I'm just a firm believer in having compassion on even the most twisted of us.

And yes, that includes people like Hitler or Stalin or Osama Bin Laden, before anyone asks. :)

...Does it include either of the Ivan the Terribles?

...Does it include either of the Ivan the Terribles?

Sure. They get compassion too.

*shrug* I guess I'm just a firm believer in having compassion on even the most twisted of us.

And yes, that includes people like Hitler or Stalin or Osama Bin Laden, before anyone asks. :)I have compassion for those who have been mistreated and for those who have just been shit on by life. But for people who spend their lives making others miserable over things like religion? Nope.

I'm sorry, I know that's not the best way to explain it, but in some respects, it is. It's a matter of faith, and "Yep." is the best I could do.

Literally, it could be considered cannibalism. Philosophically, maybe not. Would eating a god be considered cannibalism? Probably not, because we ourselves are not gods.

Eh, the way I always figured it, the bread and wined were "embued" with the spirit of Christ, in a sense, not actually physically turning into it.

However, it's been a LONG time since I've been to church, so I do not know.

Also, consider this:

Chick claims that the Catholic church has a database of every single Protestant in the world, where they live, their names, and what denomination they are. Every single person, and they track them from the time they are born, to when they die.

I'm not sure if this is funny or sad. I'm thinking a mix of both.

And my personal favorite, the one where a nazi concentration camp guard goes to heaven while the jews he tortured burn in hell.

Please tell me you're joking.

Now as to Mary's significance in our church.

Paragraph 971 of Catechism of the Catholic Church

971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship." The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration." The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.

You know, Jack uses the Council of Trent for his sources on the Catholic Church. However, all of his sources are dated, since he does not look at The Vatican II, just The Vatican I.

Now as to Mary's significance in our church.

Paragraph 971 of Catechism of the Catholic Church



You know, Jack uses the Council of Trent for his sources on the Catholic Church. However, all of his sources are dated, since he does not look at The Vatican II, just The Vatican I.

Since when does Jack Chick use reliable sources to back his assertions?

Please tell me you're joking.

He's not. We used to get those bloody pamphlets at work in the bathrooms all the time. Not one lasted more than five minutes before getting flushed by your personal Anti-Chick, me.

My "favorite" is the one about evolution, which portrays the college professor as a fat slob, who doesn't know what he is talking about, and the "good christian" as the blond-haired blue-eyed strapping young man who "proves" evolution not to be true. Of course, in one of my Anthro classes a student brought this in, thinking the same thing would happen when he showed it to our professor... who destroyed every single point in the pamphlet in less then five minutes.

Oh the fun.

I believe I speak for all Catholics when I say WE DO NOT WORSHIP MARY YOU IDIOTS!


Don't feel bad man. This guy is obviously a moron. He said Allah is not the God of the Christians and jews, when in fact he is. Not only that his arguments refuting Islam are some of the weakest I've seen.

My "favorite" is the one about evolution, which portrays the college professor as a fat slob, who doesn't know what he is talking about, and the "good christian" as the blond-haired blue-eyed strapping young man who "proves" evolution not to be true. Of course, in one of my Anthro classes a student brought this in, thinking the same thing would happen when he showed it to our professor... who destroyed every single point in the pamphlet in less then five minutes.

You forgot to mention that the professor looks like a Jewish steriotype.

You forgot to mention that the professor looks like a Jewish steriotype.

Really? Never noticed that(It's been a while since I saw that one, and I should have figured that). Guess I have more faith in people than that.

*shrug* I guess I'm just a firm believer in having compassion on even the most twisted of us.

And yes, that includes people like Hitler or Stalin or Osama Bin Laden, before anyone asks. :)

You're a much better person than I am dude.

I think what scares me a lot about these tracts is that Jack seems to believe what he's writing, it's like he's attempting to bring back the days of Christian intolerance and hate of the witch hunts and the dark ages.

How does someone become so twisted as to preach this kind of hatred? I hope I never understand where he's coming from, it honestly scares me that I might catch something.

Don't feel bad man. This guy is obviously a moron. He said Allah is not the God of the Christians and jews, when in fact he is. Not only that his arguments refuting Islam are some of the weakest I've seen.

Weak arguements are par for the Jack Chick course, or so it seems.

Some part of me, deep down, wants to believe this is really satire, and that Jack Chick is laughing his ass off as he writes these things. Cos I know I'm laughing as I read them.

Please tell me you're joking.

No, I am not. I read about this one, but here's some fun ones to be offended by:

http://members.aol.com/monsterwax/chick.html: Christian rock band is apparently sponsored by...SATAN (Angels)

Poor child on drugs whose parents divorced and mother died (And is, of course, rotting in hell) is saved...BY PRAYER! (Bewitched?)

Psycho evil gays want to put all straight people in jail and anyone who disagrees they hate, apparently. (Birds and the Bees)

Soldiers are "saved" by a Chaplain's prayer, which blinds the evil types (Who are, naturally, arabs). One who is skeptical of this dies and the chaplain informs us he's burning in hell. (The Chaplain)

Nasty Catholic Church created islam. (The Deceived)

Halloween is created by Satan (The Devil's Night)

THE GAY REVOLUTION IS UNDERWAY!!! (The Gay Blade)

Cursing makes people go to hell. Apparently (God With Us)

A hired killer who loves christ goes to heaven, but the marshall who hunts him goes to hell (Gun Slinger)

The Holocaust was done by the catholics (Holocaust)

The Vatican loves communism (Ivan the Terrible)

A depressed kid who offs himself...ROTS IN HELL natch (No Fear?)

Girl thinks witchcraft is cool, until she finds out witches kill babies and murder traitors (The Poor Little Witch)

And those are just some of those on that site, not to mention all those that aren't.

No, I am not. I read about this one, but here's some fun ones to be offended by:

http://members.aol.com/monsterwax/chick.html: Christian rock band is apparently sponsored by...SATAN (Angels)

Poor child on drugs whose parents divorced and mother died (And is, of course, rotting in hell) is saved...BY PRAYER! (Bewitched?)

Psycho evil gays want to put all straight people in jail and anyone who disagrees they hate, apparently. (Birds and the Bees)

Soldiers are "saved" by a Chaplain's prayer, which blinds the evil types (Who are, naturally, arabs). One who is skeptical of this dies and the chaplain informs us he's burning in hell. (The Chaplain)

Nasty Catholic Church created islam. (The Deceived)

Halloween is created by Satan (The Devil's Night)

THE GAY REVOLUTION IS UNDERWAY!!! (The Gay Blade)

Cursing makes people go to hell. Apparently (God With Us)

A hired killer who loves christ goes to heaven, but the marshall who hunts him goes to hell (Gun Slinger)

The Holocaust was done by the catholics (Holocaust)

The Vatican loves communism (Ivan the Terrible)

A depressed kid who offs himself...ROTS IN HELL natch (No Fear?)

Girl thinks witchcraft is cool, until she finds out witches kill babies and murder traitors (The Poor Little Witch)

And those are just some of those on that site, not to mention all those that aren't.

Linky no worky, so I'll take your word for it. Everything I have seen points to this person being mentally distubed, if not outright deranged.

Linky no worky, so I'll take your word for it. Everything I have seen points to this person being mentally distubed, if not outright deranged.

the link works if you remove the : at the end

So let me get this straight--what makes Jack Chick misguided is that he's slamming your particular religion as opposed to the myriad other reasons he ought to be considered misguided? Just want to make sure.

For God's sake, Nazz, he slams ROLEPLAYING.
That ought to be evidence enough of his insanity. :-D

Face it, he slams everything that doesn't fit his narrow world view.

Well, I'm thoroughly nauseous now.

Well, I'm thoroughly nauseous now.
Reading the Cthulhu spoof makes it all better, trust me (Or worse given how well it fits with the normal run of Chick's work).

I think Jack Chick is the best possible person to use this smiley on: :upyours:.
I have more respect for Hitler(as a philosopher, not as dictator of Germany), ffs. At least Hitler only fought one strawman at a time.
From Zarakon's post, Chick is also fighting that one, plus many, many more.
Also, I'll bet he does things he condemns in at least half his cartoons.

For God's sake, Nazz, he slams ROLEPLAYING.
That ought to be evidence enough of his insanity. :-D

Face it, he slams everything that doesn't fit his narrow world view.

I wasn't saying Chick isn't misguided. I'm insinuating that Wilgrove's reasons for saying so are, well, limited is a nice way to put it. I suspect that this thread would never come into existence had Wilgrove's worldview not been challenged in so callous a manner.

I do so like Jack Chick. His paranoia and hate brightens up my dull afternoons.
Also, if you're going to denounce something like evolution or even Buddhism, it helps if you know SOMETHING about them first.

You mean he wrote one about Buddhism, too?

Chick evidently lives near me. I have often thought of lurking in his neighborhood and trying to scare him into a heart attack if I ever see him...

ROFL That is GREAT! I wish they'd do more of that to these stupid tracts.No... he didn't just diss Tolkien and Lewis... :(

Since no one has added in the Cthulhu one:
http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/1190966.html

I'd like to see Jack Chicks work turned into a screen play faithful to the panels, ala "Sin City", which would then be given a $200 million budget and prominent stars would be drafted to portrary various roles.

Directors: Quentin Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez, the hell-bound corpse of Stanley Kubrick

Jesus: Ben Affleck, or Ed Norton

Big Faceless Pointing God on Throne: Jack Nicholson, or maybe Geoffrey Rush

Little Christian Girl with Creepy One-Eyed Grandpa: Reese Witherspoon, Kirsten Dunst

Creepy One-Eyed Grandpa: Sean Connery, Mike Meyers in heavy makeup

Hatchet faced atheist teacher: Bea Arthur, or Jennifer Connely in heavy makeup (I like her, she needs more work)

Portly Professor of Biology: Robby Coltrane

Other suggestions?

I'd like to see Jack Chicks work turned into a screen play faithful to the panels, ala "Sin City", which would then be given a $200 million budget and prominent stars would be drafted to portrary various roles.

Directors: Quentin Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez, the hell-bound corpse of Stanley Kubrick

Jesus: Ben Affleck, or Ed Norton

Big Faceless Pointing God on Throne: Jack Nicholson, or maybe Geoffrey Rush

Little Christian Girl with Creepy One-Eyed Grandpa: Reese Witherspoon, Kirsten Dunst

Creepy One-Eyed Grandpa: Sean Connery, Mike Meyers in heavy makeup

Hatchet faced atheist teacher: Bea Arthur, or Jennifer Connely in heavy makeup (I like her, she needs more work)

Portly Professor of Biology: Robby Coltrane

Other suggestions?

How about, at the end Jack Chick is standing before God, Mary, and The Saints and God has the Vatican Seal (picture below) on his throne, and then we see Jack Chick piss himself.

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/img/ss_scv/insigne/scv_stemma.gif

well, if you guys will come up with an addy I'll start jumping out of the bushes and give this plot line a jump start:D

For God's sake, Nazz, he slams ROLEPLAYING.
That ought to be evidence enough of his insanity. :-D

Face it, he slams everything that doesn't fit his narrow world view.

First he was molested by a priest, now even the D&D kids didn't let him play with them. It all make sense now!

First he was molested by a priest, now even the D&D kids didn't let him play with them. It all make sense now!

Must've been confused, they told him he was playing a Priest, so, in character, he started buggering the younger orcs...

It says here "Turn Undead"...turn them, like...over?

I love it how he calls the Church "whore" over and over again.

Me, too! I think it's hilarious~!

You know people often do that when they want something so badly to be true, that they'll just say it over and over and over until they believe it. Ahh I love delusion.

Is that something like a priest's prayer causing a physical change in a piece of bread and some wine, or more like having faith in "going to heaven"?

Well, apparently Jack Chick is no rational being.


The irony.

Hilarious :D

I mean yes we do believe that after the father says the blessing, they do turn into the blood and body of Jesus Christ, but we don't worship them, we eat them and drink them dammit.

Take it easy, guy. It's a metaphor. It not being literally true does not diminish it's significance as a ceremony; if anything, understanding it in this way legitimizes the concept by making it something we can rationally comprehend.

Take it easy, guy. It's a metaphor. It not being literally true does not diminish it's significance as a ceremony; if anything, understanding it in this way legitimizes the concept by making it something we can rationally comprehend.

It's both metaphor and literal truth.

It's both metaphor and literal truth.

Ok, physicist. Putting aside your cannibalistic fantasy, describe for me please the physical changes that take place in the bread and wine.

Ok, physicist. Putting aside your cannibalistic fantasy, describe for me please the physical changes that take place in the bread and wine.

We both know that would be a waste of time.

We both know that would be a waste of time.

Which would be a waste of time: putting aside your cannibalistic fantasy or describing reality like rational scientists.

Which would be a waste of time: putting aside your cannibalistic fantasy or describing reality like rational scientists.

You're pretty new, that's cool. The fact of the matter is, you've already assumed I don't describe my world in a rational, scientific view. You've already made attacks on my faith, while I've never attacked you.

Did you take the time to find out if I believe science and religion can live together in general harmony? Have you taken the time to find out if I believe that evolution is responsible for the world around me (which, incidentally, I do)?

However, I'll put aside your strange fantasy that I'm psychotic to say this: it's a matter of faith.

Which would be a waste of time: putting aside your cannibalistic fantasy or describing reality like rational scientists.

why bother with science when discussing supernatural beliefs? you could go like that for every religious belief, and you'd get answers along the lines of "god doesn't need to bother with physics". I'd love to go there if I could convince people that this is not realistic, but it would only end up in a sterile debate...

Okay, here's the fixed link:

http://members.aol.com/monsterwax/chick.html

Jack Chick is rational; it's just that he's preaching what Protestants used to say about Catholics 70 years ago. If anything, this should be an object lesson on what would be said much more explicitly if the US ever became a theocracy, and why the Founding Fathers were such geniuses for avoiding vesting their nation with a religious foundation.

Jack Chick is rational; it's just that he's preaching what Protestants used to say about Catholics 70 years ago.

And, I'll be damned, it's irrational! So no he isn't!

And I'll tell you something, not everything is about catholics. Most of it isn't.

And come on, catholics said just as horrible things about protestants.

and they both slaughtered each other in droves during the reformation. Give it a rest guys. Us atheists are getting bored.

why bother with science when discussing supernatural beliefs? you could go like that for every religious belief, and you'd get answers along the lines of "god doesn't need to bother with physics". I'd love to go there if I could convince people that this is not realistic, but it would only end up in a sterile debate...

Jesussaves was better.

The Gospel according to mary magdalene

Jesussaves was better.

:confused: could you be a bit clearer?

:confused: could you be a bit clearer?

I don't think it was a good thing..

Jack Chick is seriously misguided And you're just figuring this out?

Amazing how aggravated the religious get when it's their religion that's attacked.

:confused: could you be a bit clearer?JesusSaves was a troll of old. A puppet of Drunk Commies Deleted.

This is the one that alerted me to Chick's existence. I found an excerpt of it in a SOCIOLOGY text, as an example of the "Satanic Panic" contemporary myth (then realized I'd read the damn thing in the 6th grade & forgotten about it). Priceless. :p

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0064/0064_01.asp

Jack Chick must be insane, honestly.
I've yet to find one of his tracts that wasn't a crock of shit.

Oh comon Eltaphilon, he doesn't need to bother! He's Protestant, he's going to Heaven, and the rest of us are just devil worshiping Sinners who will burn in the lake of Hell!

See what faith can do to a person? when you stop relying on reality and take things on faith alone ... and that faith misguides you...

See what faith can do to a person? when you stop relying on reality and take things on faith alone ... and that faith misguides you...

No, that's what intolerance, and idiocy will do to a person. It's alright to believe in something, but to judge others, and to condemn them to Hell just because they don't follow your narrow world view is stupid, wrong, and goes against the word of God. God and only God can condemn people to Hell.

See what faith can do to a person? when you stop relying on reality and take things on faith alone ... and that faith misguides you...

Faith doesn't do that, human idiocy and cruelty do that. Faith can be a motivator for incredible levels of good, love and compassion; like any human quality, it can be corrupted by people with evil intent.

Whatever Jack Chick has his faith in, it's apparently quite evil and spiteful. Frankly, I feel sorry for him for feeling such hate.

The Gospel according to mary magdalene

Better yet, "The Gospel According To Mary Magdalene According to Dan Brown"

Commandment VIII: Thou shalt not suck Jesus off! HE'S MINE! ALL MINE! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA"

This is the one that alerted me to Chick's existence. I found an excerpt of it in a SOCIOLOGY text, as an example of the "Satanic Panic" contemporary myth (then realized I'd read the damn thing in the 6th grade & forgotten about it). Priceless. :p

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0064/0064_01.asp

That was classic. It's even funnier (or pathetic really) that I still find people that believe in the whole "satanic conspiracy".

That was classic. It's even funnier (or pathetic really) that I still find people that believe in the whole "satanic conspiracy".

Well, as someone who used to subscribe to the philosophy of the ("LaVeyan") Church of Satan, I must say that the "satanic conspiracy" story smacks of Nazi propaganda. The same damn stories were spread about the Jews before & during the holocaust. It seems to me that whoever started the stories was/is looking for some kind of "holy war." :sniper:

This is the one that alerted me to Chick's existence. I found an excerpt of it in a SOCIOLOGY text, as an example of the "Satanic Panic" contemporary myth (then realized I'd read the damn thing in the 6th grade & forgotten about it). Priceless. :p

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0064/0064_01.asp

:p Lol, all of his tracts are bad but that was by far the worst I've ever seen.