NationStates Jolt Archive

Atlanta King march packed with anti-war demonstrators:
Video (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=2070512&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.1.1)


BTW If you freeze frame in it the guy on the right side holding the small banner is me in front of the huge banner.

Too bad Fox5 decided to get inteview from the likes of Johnny Isakson but that's Fox for you.

I praise any news outlet that ignores anti-war protesters, I am sick of them and they sure as hell don't need to cram it into EVERYTHING they do and we see and hear. They are anti-war..I get it already! This about MLK not the Iraq war.

I praise any news outlet that ignores anti-war protesters, I am sick of them and they sure as hell don't need to cram it into EVERYTHING they do and we see and hear. They are anti-war..I get it already! This about MLK not the Iraq war.

I happen to think MLK would approve of anti war protesters.

I happen to think MLK would approve of anti war protesters.



You never knew the man so don't make those claims, nobody knows what he would have thought. I also see using him to promote an anti-war message is immoral and wrong.

You never knew the man so don't make those claims, nobody knows what he would have thought. I also see using him to promote an anti-war message is immoral and wrong.

Yeah! And it's not like we have volumes of writings, speeches, and organized protests by the man to extrapolate his opinion on war or protests, I mean, c'mon! You can't just guess, people!

Yeah! And it's not like we have volumes of writings, speeches, and organized protests by the man to extrapolate his opinion on war or protests, I mean, c'mon! You can't just guess, people!



Yeah, because people are forever the same and never change their minds. He was anti-veitnam. I would never use a dead person to promote an agenda, you would..But I refuse to, they can't speak for themselves.

You never knew the man so don't make those claims, nobody knows what he would have thought. I also see using him to promote an anti-war message is immoral and wrong.

I know about MLK enough to know he was an ardent passifist who would in no way be favor of this war. I find using the day of his memorial to be a fitting day for an ati war protest.

Likewise anyone who would think or try to suggest that he would in any way be in favor of this war is either lying or ignorant, and knows nothing of the man. In short, for you to try and argue that "we don't know martin luther king" and therefore don't know what he ight have thought about a war, despite his immense record of a non violent protest leader is far more immoral, wrong and direspectful then using the day of rememberance of an anti war protestor to have an anti war protest.

He was anti-veitnam.

No, he was anti violence. Period.


I would never use a dead person to promote an agenda, you would..But I refuse to, they can't speak for themselves.

Martin Luther King day is the day to remember the man and what he stood for in his life. What he stood for in his life was non violent activism. It is thus a perfectly reasonable rememberance of a man who believed in non violent activism to conduct non violent activism.

I know about MLK enough to know he was an ardent passifist who would in no way be favor of this war. I find using the day of his memorial to be a fitting day for an ati war protest.

Likewise anyone who would think or try to suggest that he would in any way be in favor of this war is either lying or ignorant, and knows nothing of the man. In short, for you to try and argue that "we don't know martin luther king" and therefore don't know what he ight have thought about a war, despite his immense record of a non violent protest leader is far more immoral, wrong and direspectful then using the day of rememberance of an anti war protestor to have an anti war protest.

This is getting interesting *pops popcorn in microwave and opens a soda*

Yeah, because people are forever the same and never change their minds. He was anti-veitnam. I would never use a dead person to promote an agenda, you would..But I refuse to, they can't speak for themselves.
Amen, brother! What kind of person would use an outspoken peace activist and pacifist to decry war? Monsters! Or the lives of 3,000 anonymous people to justify an unrelated war, of course no one would do that either. Testify, brother, testify!

I know about MLK enough to know he was an ardent passifist who would in no way be favor of this war. I find using the day of his memorial to be a fitting day for an ati war protest.

Likewise anyone who would think or try to suggest that he would in any way be in favor of this war is either lying or ignorant, and knows nothing of the man. In short, for you to try and argue that "we don't know martin luther king" and therefore don't know what he ight have thought about a war, despite his immense record of a non violent protest leader is far more immoral, wrong and direspectful then using the day of rememberance of an anti war protestor to have an anti war protest.




You are ok with using a dead man that can in noway speak for himself anymore as a platform for a anti-war message. Pardon me but I won't use a dead man to promote anything of any kind, I have enough respect for the dead to NEVER do that. Most of all on a day meant to respect him. I can't with a good moral frame use the dead to promote my agenda. I just can't do that.

But go ahead and attack people who disagree with you, it fits you and your kind to do it, but I won't take part.

This is getting interesting *pops popcorn in microwave and opens a soda*

Don't bother, I won't take part in this exploitation of the dead.

You are ok with using a dead man that can in noway speak for himself anymore as a platform for a anti-war message.

I am ok with using the message, words, motivation and arguments that a man used once in order to show suport for similar motivations and arguments. And since Martin Luther King Day is about rememberance of the man AND WHAT HE STOOD FOR, using non violent activism in order to show solidarity and support for a man who supported non violent activism on the day that is designed to support what that man stood for, namely non violent activism.

Martin Luther King spoke for himself a great deal in life, so much so that his viewpoints are well known. To celebrate, recognize and live by those words by doing THE VERY THING that he advocated is a fitting way to remember that.

The fact that maybe, possibly, had he lived he might have changed his mind if he lived is irrelevant to the fact that MLK day is designed to remember the ideas he had in his life, ideas, and ideals, that would have persisted even if e himself changed his mind.

Yes I am fine wih using a dead man's words, for if he didn't mean them he wouldn't have said them. And I am generally unconcerned with the possibility that one of the most famous non violent activists in american history, one who advocated non violent protests may have somehow later in his life become a violent war monger

This is getting interesting *pops popcorn in microwave and opens a soda*

*joins you* :)

Don't bother, I won't take part in this exploitation of the dead.

yes, because it is horribly exploitative to go out and do the....very same things he told us to go out and do.

How DARE these people do...what he said they should do..and on a day of his rememberance. What are these people thinking, following the words of Dr. Martin Luther King on the day of his rememberance.

Don't the know that Martin Luther King day is supposed to be for slacking off, having a long weekend and watching politicians make politically motivated speeches, and not actually following through on the words of the man we remember today. Have they no shame, have they no HONOR?

King believed in passive resistance. You can't get more passive resistive than a protest.
This is getting interesting *pops popcorn in microwave and opens a soda*
*Eats more Nachos and Bean dip* (Yes I really have Nachos and Bean dip at the computer right now)

*Eats more Nachos and Bean dip* (Yes I really have Nachos and Bean dip at the computer right now)

I want some nachos. :(

This is getting interesting *pops popcorn in microwave and opens a soda*

Kettle corn is waaay better than popcorn.

Don't you people have anything better to do than spam threads with irrelevant food crap?

Kettle corn is waaay better than popcorn.

Yah, but I don't have a kettle:(

King believed in passive resistance. You can't get more passive resistive than a protest.

*Eats more Nachos and Bean dip* (Yes I really have Nachos and Bean dip at the computer right now)

As long as it's peaceful and doesn't break any laws, why not.

Don't you people have anything better to do than spam threads with irrelevant food crap?

No:confused: Anyway, it is not our fault the entertainment decided to leave.

Yah, but I don't have a kettle:(

Make it like regular popcorn. It's sweet but has a tang to it. It's DELICIOUS.

It's wrong. MLK was about equal rights, not anti-Bush politics. It's wrong to pollute a day to remember his message and his sacrifice with protests against the current strife for personal and political gain. Some people will do anything for attention.

Don't you people have anything better to do than spam threads with irrelevant food crap?

You're assuming I have a life. I don't. :P

But on a more serious (and topic-related) note, how is staging an antiwar rally on the day honoring Dr. King "exploiting" him?

It's wrong. MLK was about equal rights, not anti-Bush politics.
He was also strongly anti-war and anti-violence in general. Also this protest had nothing whatsoever to do with Bush, it was about the war.

It's wrong to pollute a day to remember his message and his sacrifice with protests against the current strife for personal and political gain. Some people will do anything for attention.
Their not gaining anything from this, their not in politics and its not as though they're selling tickets to come and watch or something. :rolleyes:

He was also strongly anti-war and anti-violence in general. Also this protest had nothing whatsoever to do with Bush, it was about the war.
I saw an anti-Bush sign carried by one of the protesters. I think it had a picture of the world with flames photoshopped on.

Their not gaining anything from this, their not in politics and its not as though they're selling tickets to come and watch or something. :rolleyes:
They gain by publicity.

It's wrong to use a long dead man to advance your cause today. Always has been and always will be to me.

It's wrong to use a long dead man to advance your cause today.

The one question I have in these situations is "given what we know of him, would the individual in question favor the cause that uses his name?"

The fact is Martin Luther King was an ardent anti war/anti violence protestor, thus I am quite confidet that were he alive today, he'd be leading protests quite similar to the one carried out. As such I find nothing wrong with this.

I'm also amused by the fact that you quote not one, but two men in your signature that have been dead a very long time.

I'm also amused by the fact that you quote not one, but two men in your signature that have been dead a very long time.
But I do not use them to advance any agendum. I placed those quotes in my signature because I found them inspriational.

But I do not use them to advance any agendum. I placed those quotes in my signature because I found them inspriational.

I would argue that those who chose to exercise non violent protest against a war on this day of rememberance for a man who advocated non violent protest against war found his ideas rather inspirational too.

But I do not use them to advance any agendum. I placed those quotes in my signature because I found them inspriational.
Wait, you find-
"If you want to imagine the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever"
-George Orwell
to be inspirational...

Really?


huh.

Yeah, because people are forever the same and never change their minds. He was anti-veitnam. I would never use a dead person to promote an agenda, you would..But I refuse to, they can't speak for themselves.
Cause it's not like you've ever used the writings of Jesus Christ or the Prophet Mohammad to back your opinions now, have you?

Ah, MLK....a good man, an idealist yes, but one who had a very well justified cause that was not only morally good, but good in virtually all angles.

And Allemonde, were you once "Allemande", a role-player on the II boards? Or is it just a coincidental spelling?

Wait, you find-
"If you want to imagine the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever"
-George Orwell
to be inspirational...

Really?


huh.
His wisdom and warning.

It inspires me to fight against government oppression. Through violence if need be.

Government has grown a great deal over the last 200-some years. If it continues to grow it may someday pervade nearly all aspects life and when that happens it would only be a matter of time before a tyrant will sieze and abused power. It has happened before. It will happen again.

I also see using him to promote an anti-war message is immoral and wrong.

Beyond Vietnam (http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm)

:rolleyes:

Meh. Screw marches.

On MLK Day I spent my day at a homeless shelter volunteering to help clean up and do such similar things (coincidentally, it was in Atlanta, hooray for trips down south). It was a rather enjoyable experience.

His wisdom and warning.

It inspires me to fight against government oppression. Through violence if need be.

Government has grown a great deal over the last 200-some years. If it continues to grow it may someday pervade nearly all aspects life and when that happens it would only be a matter of time before a tyrant will sieze and abused power. It has happened before. It will happen again.

Fantastic. And the people who protest the war on MLK's day found his words, actions, and his life to be wisdom and inspiration to peacefully protest war, as the linked speech says,
"A time comes when silence is betrayal."
So, they're not doing anything different than you are, peas in a pod, and we're done here.

Meh. Screw marches.

On MLK Day I spent my day at a homeless shelter volunteering to help clean up and do such similar things (coincidentally, it was in Atlanta, hooray for trips down south). It was a rather enjoyable experience.


I applaud you for at least doing somthing on MLK day other than sitting on your butt and doing nothing. Thats more than most people did.

Yes towards the late 60's MLK did speak out against the vietnam war and also the Johnson adminstration for continuing it. Does anyone really believe that if King was alive today he'd be a Bush supporter?????

It's wrong to use a long dead man to advance your cause today. Always has been and always will be to me.


Never stopped the christians.....