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Two of Saddam Hussein's associates were hanged to death before dawn today after their conviction for crimes against humanity, the Iraqi government said. During the hanging, one of the men was inadvertently decapitated, which further raised tensions in the country just two weeks after the spectacle surrounding the hanging of Hussein.

Iraqi officials carried out the executions of Hussein's half-brother Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti and the head of the revolutionary court Awad al-Bandar, at 3:00 a.m. Monday, for their role in the killings of 148 men and boys from the Shiite village of Dujail following an assassination attempt.

Iraqi government spokesman Ali Al-Dabbagh called the severing of Tikriti's head a "rare incident" and an "act of God."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/15/AR2007011500401.html

:eek: Grim!

That did not seem like a plesant way to go. Hm, I guess I won't be seeing any recordings of this one...

Sunnis are outraged, of course.

So does anyone think this will help the situation on the ground in Iraq? Should the executions have been postponed, or was this the best solution?

For some reason, I kind of found this funny. Is that strange?

what I would like to know is when we hang Saddams fashion adviser :p

...yes I made a joke in a thread about hanging

For some reason, I kind of found this funny. Is that strange?
Well, I found this to be funny: :)
Al-Dabbagh said the gallows were built to international standards and in accordance with human rights organizations.

But Param-Preet Singh, counsel for the international justice program at Human Rights Watch, said she was not aware of any internationally recognized standards for hanging.

"Under no circumstances can an execution be in accordance with human rights standards," she said. "There's a move away from executions in general … which shows there are no international standards."

...but this, not so much :(
At least 78 people were reported killed or found dead Sunday, including 41 bullet-riddled bodies discovered in Baghdad. The U.S. military also said two American soldiers died Sunday from roadside bombs in Baghdad.

On Monday, three policemen were killed and two hurt when a roadside bomb targeted their car in a southeastern section of Iraq's capital.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/wireStory?id=2795111&page=1

Iraq evidentaly does not know how to hang someone properly.

Too bad there's no video of this.

They should have shot his head off.

Iraq evidentaly does not know how to hang someone properly.

Which is why the US is sending 20,000 advisors over. We're a generous people, we hate to see the Iraqis making fools of themselves this way.

They should have shot his head off.

no they should of thrown them off a cliff and had that whooshing should followed by a thud like in road runner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXvYRY0uIkc)

edit: I envision a sketch involving Osama bin laden and the U.S military

I'd suggest that they be delayed if I thought there was a possibility that Iraq is going to calm down before they died of old age.

Too bad there's no video of this.

They should have shot his head off.

There is a video.

I just don't want to see it...

So there is a video of it?

Sunnis are outraged, of course.

Interestingly enough, the Sunnis don't seem to really care about the Americans; they simply regard them as a minor nuisance. Their attention is now squarely focused upon the Shia.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1989397,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1

Such brutal killings are certainly not going to aid in a lessening of the level of violence; I cannot believe the utter incompetence of those responsible for this. If the sectarian strife has progressed to such a level that even American presence in the country goes unnoticed, that is a sign that a much greater expenditure of effort is necessary to restrain the militias. To be devoting time and resources to a barbarous act of revenge cannot bode well for the American mission in Iraq and will only further enrage and polarize the different factions.

Too bad there's no video of this.


Yeah, too bad. Then we could masturbate to it.

Yeah, too bad. Then we could masturbate to it.

you have a very strange festish.



I was being as sarcastic as you

So there is a video of it?
Apparently so. ABC news (http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/wireStory?id=2795111&page=1):
The official government video of the side-by-side hanging that was shown to a small group of reporters, including one from The Associated Press, showed Ibrahim and al-Bandar wearing red prison jumpsuits. As they reached the gallows, black hoods were put on their heads and five masked men surrounded them.

The silent video showed the trap doors opening. Al-Bandar could be seen dangling from the rope, while Ibrahim's body in a blur fell to the floor, chest down, his still-hooded severed head resting several yards away.

The government played the video for the reporters apparently to allay any suspicions that Ibrahim's body was mutilated after death.

"We will not release the video, but we want to show the truth," al-Dabbagh said. "The Iraqi government acted in a neutral way."

Yucky.

you have a very strange festish.

It all started when I was a kid and playing with legos, and I found that not only was destroying the constructions the most fun part, I would always pop a woody when doing so. From then on I realized that destruction, in any of its many forms, was among other things a real good time.

But yeah I was being sarcastic about this one. Cuz it's a guy being hanged. And that's gay.

It all started when I was a kid and playing with legos, and I found that not only was destroying the constructions the most fun part, I would always pop a woody when doing so. From then on I realized that destruction, in any of its many forms, was among other things a real good time.

But yeah I was being sarcastic about this one. Cuz it's a guy being hanged. And that's gay.

and I just realized I said "festish".

Sounds almost like a celebration, of sorts.

Sounds almost like a celebration, of sorts.

A fetish festival?

They should end this kangaroo court now and hang the rest of them. Just be like "Haha, we're just kidding, this wasn't a real move for justice, we've just been jerkin' them around, come onnn, you all knew this trial was a formality to begin with, so we are just going to hang the rest of them and go home."

A fetish festival?

I dont know- I guess I dont lisp when I talk- I lisp when I type.

did they hang the guy with cheese-wire or something? :eek:

It can't be long before some activist cuts his own head off in public to protest.

Yuck.

I don't care.

For some reason, I kind of found this funny. Is that strange?

Nah I'm with you. I said "sucks for him." I don't think the executions will have much of an effect either way, to be honest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/15/AR2007011500401.html

:eek: Grim!

That did not seem like a plesant way to go. Hm, I guess I won't be seeing any recordings of this one...

Sunnis are outraged, of course.

So does anyone think this will help the situation on the ground in Iraq? Should the executions have been postponed, or was this the best solution?



As compared I am sure to the way he executed those 148 men and boys right? sounds to me like he got off pretty darn easy......have you ever seen any of the videos saddams people did of executions? Many of them included taping a hand grenade to a persons chest and then pulling the pin.....guess that is far more pleasant and compassionate then hanging.

Condoleezza Rice (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/15/AR2007011500445.html)isn't quite happy about it...
"We were disappointed there was not greater dignity given to the accused under these circumstances," Rice said during a news conference with her Egyptian counterpart
Neither is Britain, the EU, or the UN (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6264177.stm).
[Mr Ban] regrets that despite pleas from himself and the high commissioner for human rights to spare the lives of the two co-defendants, they were both executed.
Seems like Mr. Ban has succumbed to some pressure on the capital punishment question too...

I don't care.
Good to know.

As compared I am sure to the way he executed those 148 men and boys right? sounds to me like he got off pretty darn easy......have you ever seen any of the videos saddams people did of executions? Many of them included taping a hand grenade to a persons chest and then pulling the pin.....guess that is far more pleasant and compassionate then hanging.

I compare nothing.

But if you want to... Can you tell me if having your head ripped of is a worse way to die or not? I have no idea myself.

He's dead, that was the point, right?

Why should the method matter as long as it's quick?


Speaking of quick, are they mad he didn't suffer more? I think beheading is probably more humane than hanging.

I compare nothing.

But if you want to... Can you tell me if having your head ripped of is a worse way to die or not? I have no idea myself.

The speed and ensueing force with which they drop through the trap door breaks the neck causing instant death.....99% of the time. Which is why it is considered humane..... I doubt with his head popping off he felt anything it all happens so fast. So I think he went pretty quiet and painlessly.

The "mishap" of the severed neck will give a lot of propaganda material for radical sunnis looking to recruit. It is very easy to convince a sunni in Iraq and its neighborhood now about the evil shia looking to kill them all.

He's dead, that was the point, right?

Why should the method matter as long as it's quick?
I think it's the "Let's avoid the cruel and unusual punishment"-crowd that speaks up against this...

Speaking of quick, are they mad he didn't suffer more? I think beheading is probably more humane than hanging.
It was a botched hanging - probably why they're mad.
The speed and ensueing force with which they drop through the trap door breaks the neck causing instant death.....99% of the time. Which is why it is considered humane..... I doubt with his head popping off he felt anything it all happens so fast. So I think he went pretty quiet and painlessly.
It's considered humane when it works and it's done correctly - i.e. when the neck breaks. This seems to qualify as inhumane. They were trying to avoid that.

I think it's the "Let's avoid the cruel and unusual punishment"-crowd that speaks up against this...

It was a botched hanging - probably why they're mad.


I'm aware it was a botched hanging. I'm just saying the botching was probably more humane than the correct way. Unless his head got slowly pulled off or something.

The "mishap" of the severed neck will give a lot of propaganda material for radical sunnis looking to recruit. It is very easy to convince a sunni in Iraq and its neighborhood now about the evil shia looking to kill them all.

Indeed. Seems the wheels are already in motion too. So is the countermoves by the way, which is why they've shown the video of the execution to some journalists.

I'm aware it was a botched hanging. I'm just saying the botching was probably more humane than the correct way. Unless his head got slowly pulled off or something.

I doubt it. Snapping the neck is about as humane as an execution gets. Or so I'm told...

Ripping the head off his neck - does not sound very humane to me.

I doubt it. Snapping the neck is about as humane as an execution gets. Or so I'm told...

Ripping the head off his neck - does not sound very humane to me.

Actually with the right amount of force and speed.....the head is capable of popping off very easily.....so I am pretty sure he felt nothing. Gravity works wonders. Again very humane. There are certain parts of the human body not made for strength....the head on the neck being one of these.

Too bad there's no video of this.

They should have shot his head off.

He's lucky he only had his head ripped off. If it had been up to me, he would have been crucified, as would all other Saddamites, terrorists and the like. The symbolism alone would have been sufficient justification :D

And BTW: Sunni "outrage" is perfectly understandable, since they were also "outraged" over the beheadings of Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg and many others . . . er, wait, no they weren't. My bad.

He's lucky he only had his head ripped off. If it had been up to me, he would have been crucified, as would all other Saddamites, terrorists and the like. The symbolism alone would have been sufficient justification :D
Say no to sadism.

And BTW: Sunni "outrage" is perfectly understandable, since they were also "outraged" over the beheadings of Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg and many others . . . er, wait, no they weren't. My bad.

Right, because we all know eye for an eye works perfectly- just look at Iraq.;)

He's lucky he only had his head ripped off. If it had been up to me, he would have been crucified, as would all other Saddamites, terrorists and the like. The symbolism alone would have been sufficient justification :D

And BTW: Sunni "outrage" is perfectly understandable, since they were also "outraged" over the beheadings of Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg and many others . . . er, wait, no they weren't. My bad.
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