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Personally, I think it's pretty stupid. Who cares if she poses for a magazine? As long as she does her job and does it well, there's no reason to relieve her of duty. *sighs* Anyway, that's just my $0.02.

Thoughts?

Thoughts?

Ummm ... I want to see those pictures. That's all I got.

My thought is that the USAF has much better things to do than care about stupid shit like this.

This staff sergeant's alleged action does not meet the high standards we expect of our airmen, nor does it comply with the air force's core values of integrity, service before self, and excellence in all we do.

How can he say that? He hasn't even seen the pics yet! :p

I think it would be considered unprofessional for someone to do that regardless of who they work for. The armed services probably have to be extra careful about sexual harassment concerns. For instance, can she sue someone for saying they liked her nude photos? If they're on base and all that?

They're just avoiding a law suit before it happens, in my opinion.

The United States military has a moral and ethical code that it expects all service members, active or inactive duty, to uphold. That is why she was relieved of her duties. Also, they do have to worry about liability issues when it comes to sexual harrassment.

the military has always been uber conservative and over influenced by religous nuts. I was caught with my girlfriend playing with sex toys by an asshole who walked into my barracks room illegally and it turned into a kerfluffle like you never heard. We were two consenting adults, of the opposite sex, and engaged in consensual sex. But my CO actually considered charges until my JAG guy threatened to go to the press with about it. It disappeared of course, but there were plenty of people who stared at me when I went on my morning run around Fort Mcnair. The longer I am out the more I lose respect for the people in the military. The good ones get out, leaving the puckered up assholes to run things.

They're just avoiding a law suit before it happens, in my opinion.

That's not really acceptable, for a government agency. Private business can do as they please, with contracts, but at least in principle, the government and its divisions have to hold with the spirit of the law when dealing with its employees. And since it hasn't happened yet, and it's relatively unlikely -to- happen, they can't legally act on the assumption that it will, as far as I understand.

That said, she probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble with it had she not used the dogtags and played up the Air Force sergeant bit.

That's not really acceptable, for a government agency. Private business can do as they please, with contracts, but at least in principle, the government and its divisions have to hold with the spirit of the law when dealing with its employees. And since it hasn't happened yet, and it's relatively unlikely -to- happen, they can't legally act on the assumption that it will, as far as I understand.

That said, she probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble with it had she not used the dogtags and played up the Air Force sergeant bit.

At the same time, she signed a contract as well, yes? I'm pretty sure posing nude in a magazine in at least parts of her uniform, making her an official representative of the US armed forces, would be against something in that contract.

I'm not saying this is necessarily a fair ruling, but she's not totally blameless. She should have thought to herself: "If I was working in an office of some sort, would I get fired for doing this?" The answer is almost certainly a yes. Especially if she were wearing her name tag, or something affiliated with the company.

I think she was acting in a manner that is unbecoming for a professional woman.

And, again, what about the sexual harassment nightmare this would cause? Any man (or woman so interested) on the base could get their hands on some nude pictures of someone who is quite possibly their superior. This undermines her position, and sets her up for lot's of stupid male type activity, such as ass grabbing and shit.

I don't think she should necessarily lose her job over this, but it really wasn't the smartest thing in the world for her to do.

conduct unbecoming an NCO is still part of the UCMJ. As well as being "out of uniform," which oddly enough means improperly wearing the uniform. This isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened.

I don't care what you guys say, women in and partially out of uniform are very sexy. Now I really want that Playboy ...

Uniforms -> Good. Specially without panties.

Anyway, she is a staff sergeant. I´m pretty sure she demands discipline. Now, can she demand discipline from a bunch of 18 year old´s cadets who look at her and think about fucking her?

No.

Anyway, she is a staff sergeant. I´m pretty sure she demands discipline. Now, can she demand discipline from a bunch of 18 year old´s cadets who look at her and think about fucking her?

No.

Oh please. You think 18 year old men need the influence of a magazine to think about fucking a playboy hot girl? Im sure the thought would have NEVER occured to them otherwise [/sarcasm]

If she is wearing an uniform, with a cap and shouting at them, I´m pretty sure they wouldnt be thinking of banging her.

But with the magazine, well, that just spoils everything.

If she is wearing an uniform, with a cap and shouting at them, I´m pretty sure they wouldnt be thinking of banging her.

But with the magazine, well, that just spoils everything.

I honestly cant tell if your being sarcastic or serious. If your serious, then your either female or neutered.

I think this person rocks! this just goes to show how stupid, morally narrowminded, (long list of profanities....) the armed forces are.

I googled her name and got her myspace page, but it has been removed and I can't find a cached version. :(

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Personally, I think it's pretty stupid. Who cares if she poses for a magazine? As long as she does her job and does it well, there's no reason to relieve her of duty. *sighs* Anyway, that's just my $0.02.

Thoughts?

As a subscriber to Playboy myself, I see nothing bad or wrong about it. The human body is a beautiful creation, an art, nothing to be ashamed of. Can't wait til my next issue gets here. :D

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Personally, I think it's pretty stupid. Who cares if she poses for a magazine? As long as she does her job and does it well, there's no reason to relieve her of duty. *sighs* Anyway, that's just my $0.02.

Thoughts?

If it's okay for soldiers to read Playboy, why should it be wrong to pose for it? And if it's a discharge-worthy offense to pose for it, shouldn't there be a very strict crack-down on reading it?

That said, she probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble with it had she not used the dogtags and played up the Air Force sergeant bit.
I doubt she would have got in Playboy in the first place if she hadn't used her dogtags and Air Force sergeant bit.
Why else would Playboy do a photo shoot of an old woman? (horrors! She's 30! Are women still sexy at that age? No way!)


Anyone notice her name?
Michelle Manhart
Anyone wish to bet the recruits call her 'Manhard' behind her back?

Here's a pic for all you pervs out there:
http://hollywood.outsidethebeltway.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/michelle_manhart1.jpg

Why else would Playboy do a photo shoot of an old woman? (horrors! She's 30! Are women still sexy at that age? No way!)

Most 30 year old women I've had sex with know a lot more about sex than any 20 year old.

She looks hot to me. I'd hit it.

Why else would Playboy do a photo shoot of an old woman? (horrors! She's 30! Are women still sexy at that age? No way!)



Yes, yes they are. Jeez dude, 30 isn't that old, man.

Most 30 year old women I've had sex with know a lot more about sex than any 20 year old.
Yes, yes they are. Jeez dude, 30 isn't that old, man.
I see the unsubtle art of sarcasm is lost on some of our fellow NS'ers.

I see the unsubtle art of sarcasm is lost on some of our fellow NS'ers.

Yes, while you stood there being sarcastic with your pants down, I've already fucked her.

Yes, while you stood there being sarcastic with your pants down, I've already fucked her.

I don't know, chicks dig humor...

Welcome to America, Home of the Prudes. :rolleyes:

I don't know, chicks dig humor...

Try laughing at a woman who's being fucked by another man, and see how far that gets you.

Yes, while you stood there being sarcastic with your pants down, I've already fucked her.
Didn't take you long, I see.

Hey, it's okay man, it happens to the best of us.

Try laughing at a woman who's being fucked by another man, and see how far that gets you.

Strangely enough, I did that last Tuesday...

I don't know, chicks dig humor...
No no no. Not at all. They really dig some guy using terms like, "I'd hit it" and "I've already fucked her".
Nothing like a bit of objectification to turn the chicks on.
Them 'hos really like it when we call them our bitches, see?

Didn't take you long, I see.

Hey, it's okay man, it happens to the best of us.

Just spreading my seed - biological urges you know.

Didn't take you long, I see.

Hey, it's okay man, it happens to the best of us.

Ouch. :D

No no no. Not at all. They really dig some guy using terms like, "I'd hit it" and "I've already fucked her".
Nothing like a bit of objectification to turn the chicks on.
Them 'hos really like it when we call them our bitches, see?
Damn right. You waste precious seconds talking to females, when a Real Man(tm) would have already impregnated her by the time you get done saying "Hello."

Damn right. You waste precious seconds talking to females, when a Real Man(tm) would have already impregnated her by the time you get done saying "Hello."

I'm not a brand name, fortunately. That, and I don't bother talking much if the woman actually wants sex first.

Great stuff, great stuff! Boosts recruiting in these difficult recruiting times, and it'll scare the hell out of those Al Quida.
"That infidel soldier will die! Hey, it's a she! AND she looks familiar? OH NO, she's going to take her uniform off!!" *runs*

Hang on ... they sacked her? That's very stupid.

If it's okay for soldiers to read Playboy, why should it be wrong to pose for it? And if it's a discharge-worthy offense to pose for it, shouldn't there be a very strict crack-down on reading it?

1. Cracking down on Playboy reading would be foolhardy. It would lower morale.

2. This isn't an issue of simply posing for a Playboy, which is what it is made out to be. Again, there is nothing wrong with reading one, or posing for it if you are not serving. As Mrs. Manhart was, she undermined her authority as a non-com by posing. Respect for authority is central to the functional operation of the armed forces. Posing for a nude magazine was a poor decision on her part; she should expect the consequences.

I think she should have been demoted to a rank where she would no longer be in a position of command, and she definitely shouldn't be a training new recruits now, but discharging her is way too harsh.

Of course, it was a really stupid thing to do, though. But that doesn't make anything okay.

Damn right. You waste precious seconds talking to females, when a Real Man(tm) would have already impregnated her by the time you get done saying "Hello."

You're right on there.

I'd already be eating the sandwich she made me.

she definitely shouldn't be a training new recruits now, but discharging her is way too harsh.
Agreed.
She'll be causing new recruits to discharge themselves if she stays as their trainer.

You're right on there.

I'd already be eating the sandwich she made me.
Viagra can help with those endurance problems.

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Personally, I think it's pretty stupid. Who cares if she poses for a magazine? As long as she does her job and does it well, there's no reason to relieve her of duty. *sighs* Anyway, that's just my $0.02.

Thoughts?

They should only fire her if she oiled and posed with a rifle or other gun.

Viagra can help with those endurance problems.
Tantric yoga is also good.

Or just rub one out before hand.

Viagra can help with those endurance problems.

*L* I think Viagra is more for guys that cant stand at attention to start with, not last.

I'm pretty lucky to not have a concern in either area-at 39,I've been at it awhile and the hundreds and hundreds of kegles a day doesnt hurt either.


I'm worried if I ever took a Viagra, I'd be the guy in the emergency room with a three day long priapism that needed surgical relief.

No thanks-I'm pretty satisfied in that department. And my partner of 20 + years is too.

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Personally, I think it's pretty stupid. Who cares if she poses for a magazine? As long as she does her job and does it well, there's no reason to relieve her of duty. *sighs* Anyway, that's just my $0.02.

Thoughts?

I don't personally care if she poses for Playboy either, but the US Armed Forces do. This is not the first time someone on active duty has done this and been punished for it, so it makes you wonder why service personnel keep trying it. Did she really think that her superiors would just let it go? "Good work on the last maneuvers, Sergeant, oh, and by the way, nice tits." "Why, thank you, Colonel." :rolleyes: I mean, really.

I doubt she would have got in Playboy in the first place if she hadn't used her dogtags and Air Force sergeant bit.
Why else would Playboy do a photo shoot of an old woman? (horrors! She's 30! Are women still sexy at that age? No way!)


Anyone notice her name?
Michelle Manhart
Anyone wish to bet the recruits call her 'Manhard' behind her back?

Here's a pic for all you pervs out there:
http://hollywood.outsidethebeltway.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/michelle_manhart1.jpg

She's hot. Therefore I approve of her posing naked, and unsuprisingly disapprove of attempts to prevent her doing so again. That is all.

Agreed.
She'll be causing new recruits to discharge themselves if she stays as their trainer.

You guys dont seem to get it. EVERY LAST one of these new recruits ALREADY thought about banging her LONG BEFORE the magazine ever came out. The magazine changes nothing. You think that noone happened to notice that thier trainer was a playboy hot woman until AFTER the issue came out? And in a branch of the military where most women sorta look like men already? Please. If our male soldiers are that blind then you better not let them have a gun.

she doesnt look the right age to be a staff Sergeant

The good ones get out, leaving the puckered up assholes to run things.

And don't forget the generally incompetent, although they tend to be puckered assholes too.

she doesnt look the right age to be a staff Sergeant

An Air Force Staff Sergeant is the same grade as an Army or Marine Sergeant.

Also, when I was in the Army I knew 2 Staff Sergeants that were 22 or 23 (I don't know exactly how old) so 30 is certainly plausible.

Again, what did she think was going to happen?

Thoughts?


I'd give her 20 any day of the week.
She could me stand at attention any day of the week. <.< >.>

I'm done here

I'd give her 20 any day of the week.
She could me stand at attention any day of the week. <.< >.>

I'm done here

But...she's a harlot! Not a good modest Muslim woman at all! How could you possibly find that arousing in any way? Sheesh.

By the way, it has been found that Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan, have a huge drug problem...but apparently not big enough to do anything about, since we really couldn't replace the ones smoking and coking up anyway. Huzzah!

If a male soldier posed nude in Playgirl, would he get the same treatment?

If a male soldier posed nude in Playgirl, would he get the same treatment?

Yes I believe he would. There were a few army guys that got busted for doing gay porn about a year ago and got kicked out.

But...she's a harlot! Not a good modest Muslim woman at all! How could you possibly find that arousing in any way? Sheesh.


yeah, well we aren't all perfect.:p

But...she's a harlot! Not a good modest Muslim woman at all! How could you possibly find that arousing in any way? Sheesh.

Harlots are okay, in their place, which is on their backs for the amusement of the men, who then go home to their pure wives. I thought you knew that, Neesika.

Yes I believe he would. There were a few army guys that got busted for doing gay porn about a year ago and got kicked out.

That probably has a lot to do with the fact that they can be dishonorably discharged just for being gay.

I didn't ask about gay porn, though, did I? I asked about Playgirl - the counterpart to Playboy - which is marketed to women. Personally, I highly doubt he'd get the same treatment. He'd probably actually get a big pat on the back from his commanding officer and constantly asked how much nookie he's getting as a result...

If a male soldier posed nude in Playgirl, would he get the same treatment?

There are numerous photos of British male troops posing in Iraq wearing nothing but rifles and nothing happened to them. I guess we just have more of a sense of humour about it. Its only a bit of skin

There are numerous photos of British male troops posing in Iraq wearing nothing but rifles and nothing happened to them. I guess we just have more of a sense of humour about it. Its only a bit of skin

Just a bit of skin?!?!?! :eek: Don't you know that if people see our staff sergeants naked, the terrorists win? :eek: Think of the children! :eek:



Gee, I haven't gotten to do one of those in a while!

yeah, well we aren't all perfect.:p

But those demanding perfection from others should definately work on their own purity. Reconcile yourself to your ideal, or allow for a broader view of the 'sexual role of women' or you're setting yourself (and any partner you may have) for some serious repression.

Just a bit of skin?!?!?! :eek: Don't you know that if people see our staff sergeants naked, the terrorists win? :eek: Think of the children! :eek:



Gee, I haven't gotten to do one of those in a while!

So, who wins if you see the terrorists naked?

So, who wins if you see the terrorists naked?

Apparently no one, unless the inmates at Abu Ghraib weren't actually terrorists ... nah, that couldn't be, the President said they were bad people.

Apparently no one, unless the inmates at Abu Ghraib weren't actually terrorists ... nah, that couldn't be, the President said they were bad people.

Or perhaps that was the plan with Abu Ghraib. Victory through nudity.

Or perhaps that was the plan with Abu Ghraib. Victory through nudity.

That sounds more like the way Clinton would deal with Iraq. So, we invade the country, make everyone take off their clothes. They can't kill each other because they're all too embarrassed because they're running around naked ... I knew I liked that man!

Yes I believe he would. There were a few army guys that got busted for doing gay porn about a year ago and got kicked out.


thats because the United States Military forbids homosexuals if the military knows they are gay. they can kick them out if they find out if the person is gay but cannot ask them when they sign up... "dont ask don't tell" policy. even still though, a man would get the same treatment... when you wear that uniform you represent the nation and by posing for an adult magazine youre sending a negative message about the country. therefore its conduct unbecoming of an officer and she could be dishonarably discharged now.

Not sure if this has been said or not, but does anyone else think this would be a great way to get young men to join? I sure know I would...

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Personally, I think it's pretty stupid. Who cares if she poses for a magazine? As long as she does her job and does it well, there's no reason to relieve her of duty. *sighs* Anyway, that's just my $0.02.

Thoughts?

Dude, why not make entire army of babes like that!
Who would want to FIGHT them?
You'd have countries preemtivly surrendering just to be "occupied"

the military has always been uber conservative and over influenced by religous nuts. I was caught with my girlfriend playing with sex toys by an asshole who walked into my barracks room illegally and it turned into a kerfluffle like you never heard. We were two consenting adults, of the opposite sex, and engaged in consensual sex. But my CO actually considered charges until my JAG guy threatened to go to the press with about it. It disappeared of course, but there were plenty of people who stared at me when I went on my morning run around Fort Mcnair. The longer I am out the more I lose respect for the people in the military. The good ones get out, leaving the puckered up assholes to run things.

:rolleyes:

I always enjoy seeing somebody make shit up to back up his point.

Not sure if this has been said or not, but does anyone else think this would be a great way to get young men to join? I sure know I would...


Yeah, because what better way to get the best and brightest men who want to fight than having females pose nude. :rolleyes: All you would get is horny young men joining for the sole reason of getting laid. I'll pass.

:rolleyes:

I always enjoy seeing somebody make shit up to back up his point.
Don't be stupid. I thought it was a funny story so I told it. I certainly didn't ask for any moronic replies about my honesty.

I was in the Old Guard (look it up if you don't know) in DC. I was stationed at Fort McNair. McNair is about three feet wide, so everybody on post knew about it in about an an hour. It was also home of Admiral's row, and the main place Clinton went running. So for the remainder of the two years I was stationed there, I got stared at a lot by generals and Sgt's Major.

After reading your second reply:


Oh, I get it. You're one of those ten year olds likes to play the asshole by picking out other people you can make fun of and then thinking of some insulting reply. It's okay kid. One day you won't need to be mean to strangers just to feel like a grown up :)

Yeah, because what better way to get the best and brightest men who want to fight than having females pose nude. :rolleyes: All you would get is horny young men joining for the sole reason of getting laid. I'll pass.

There really needs to be a way to denote sarcasm on these boards...

There really needs to be a way to denote sarcasm on these boards...

he wouldn't have got it anyway. Better to laugh at him and enjoy the fact that he isn't smart enough to decipher it himself...:rolleyes:

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Personally, I think it's pretty stupid. Who cares if she poses for a magazine? As long as she does her job and does it well, there's no reason to relieve her of duty. *sighs* Anyway, that's just my $0.02.

Thoughts?

My 0,01€: there is a couple of things called "common sense of decency" and "proper behaviour"... I think that a soldier posing naked isn't quite the proper behaviour required from a soldier.
Nothing immoral, mind you, just not fitting. As such, I think that she should have lost her rank because she has proven herself too stupid to be a sub-officer. Going back to private, plus 14+14 days of conviction would have been ok.

There really needs to be a way to denote sarcasm on these boards...


Try stating it. Not hard to do.


And Rooseveldt please grow up.

Try stating it. Not hard to do.


And Rooseveldt please grow up.

True. I'm not pointing and laughing at you, remember. Just pointing out I was trying to be sarcastic(And obviously failed, like usual).

Ho-well. Back to random tangents, I guess.

My 0,01€: there is a couple of things called "common sense of decency" and "proper behaviour"... I think that a soldier posing naked isn't quite the proper behaviour required from a soldier.
Nothing immoral, mind you, just not fitting. As such, I think that she should have lost her rank because she has proven herself too stupid to be a sub-officer. Going back to private, plus 14+14 days of conviction would have been ok.

you are talking about the same people who go see hookers when they're in Korea, and if they're female get knocked up so they can get out of deployments. As I said before, the people who end up running the military are generally puckered up assholes who aren't fit to get a real job, and end up abusing their power and driving the sane and intelligent people out.

True. I'm not pointing and laughing at you, remember. Just pointing out I was trying to be sarcastic(And obviously failed, like usual).

Ho-well. Back to random tangents, I guess.


Smilies work, or the good old <sarcasm> </sarcasm> thing works to.

you are talking about the same people who go see hookers when they're in Korea, and if they're female get knocked up so they can get out of deployments. As I said before, the people who end up running the military are generally puckered up assholes who aren't fit to get a real job, and end up abusing their power and driving the sane and intelligent people out.

Not gonna touch this.

*Popcorns up*

And Rooseveldt please grow up.

Tell you what, kid. Cease being an asshat and I'll be nice as well. That generally works in society, in case your parents haven't told you yet.:rolleyes:

Not gonna touch this.

*Popcorns up*

which part is so awful? The part about GI's seeing hookers in Korea? I can post picks from the net, I am sure. Or the part about women getting knocked up so they won't get deployed? Also readily available info. My point is taht soldiers are...rough by nature. They drink and screw and generally act a little nuts because they're in a high pressure job. And they good ones realize it's a nowhere life and get out, so only the idiots remain.

Smilies work, or the good old <sarcasm> </sarcasm> thing works to.

Bah. Should have thought of that. Not generally a fan of overusing smilies, though.

Bah. Should have thought of that. Not generally a fan of overusing smilies, though.


Save it for later.

you are talking about the same people who go see hookers when they're in Korea, and if they're female get knocked up so they can get out of deployments. As I said before, the people who end up running the military are generally puckered up assholes who aren't fit to get a real job, and end up abusing their power and driving the sane and intelligent people out.

Yea, that's about the point.
Example: the italian military's going downhill since there is no draft anymore (2 years). With the draft, you had anything in the military - from 18-years-old with almost no schooling to 27-years-old with a Ph.D in theoretical physics. Now, the military get mostly desperate people who cannot get a job because of a family who could not allow good schooling, poor background (like in italian southern regions) or downright poor intelligence.

Yea, that's about the point.
Example: the italian military's going downhill since there is no draft anymore (2 years). With the draft, you had anything in the military - from 18-years-old with almost no schooling to 27-years-old with a Ph.D in theoretical physics. Now, the military get mostly desperate people who cannot get a job because of a family who could not allow good schooling, poor background (like in italian southern regions) or downright poor intelligence.

Wrong.

According to a comprehensive study of all enlistees for the years 1998-99 and 2003 that The Heritage Foundation just released, the typical recruit in the all-volunteer force is wealthier, more educated and more rural than the average 18- to 24-year-old citizen is. Indeed, for every two recruits coming from the poorest neighborhoods, there are three recruits coming from the richest neighborhoods.
…
If, for example, we consider the education of every recruit, 98% joined with high-school diplomas or better. By comparison, 75% of the general population meets that standard. Among all three-digit ZIP code areas in the USA in 2003 (one can study larger areas by isolating just the first three digits of ZIP codes), not one had a higher graduation rate among civilians than among its recruits.

Oh for crying out loud. Why should the army object to someone doing something perfectly legal on their off time?

Oh for crying out loud. Why should the army object to someone doing something perfectly legal on their off time?

Besides, she's not unattractive, and it's not like she's having sex with a donkey or something on primetime television when kids are watching.

Southerners have long had higher enlistment rates than the rest of the country. Something about the conservativeness and our militant insanity.

http://www.coyoteblog.com/photos/uncategorized/military_demographics.jpg
Hmm..

"The South is far and away the leader in recruitment, although it is the poorest region of the United States. The wealthiest region, the Northeast, trails in recruitment.That suggests that the media picture is even less accurate.
"The military maintains these levels of representation in the richest and second-richest quintiles, while drawing 40% of the force from the poorest region in the country and only fifteen percent from the richest region.
"That suggests that military recruitment is heavily disproportionate among the upper and upper-middle class everywhere but the Northeast, and probably certain parts of California."

Besides, she's not unattractive, and it's not like she's having sex with a donkey or something on primetime television when kids are watching.

that would have shock me long ago but not after what my mate sent to me by email

Ummm ... I want to see those pictures. That's all I got.

Here is a safe picture

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/01/11/PH2007011101601.jpg

Yes I believe he would. There were a few army guys that got busted for doing gay porn about a year ago and got kicked out.

How much of that is because of the gay not the porn ...

How much of that is because of the gay not the porn ...

Mostly the gay. As I recall, it was for a fairly sedate calendar, with no real porn.

Mostly the gay. As I recall, it was for a fairly sedate calendar, with no real porn.

Bout what I expected

Just got some HQ copies via bittorrent. Average Playboy stuff.

Question: Could she appeal/sue? Does she have any grounds for unfair dismissal? I know they cited a reason why, but is it still possible to argue against it and win?

Please, I urge any of you who have a problem with this woman's plight to email your congressman and tell them to have Article 134-28 of the UCMJ changed immediately. The UCMJ was created by congress, and they're the only ones who can change it.

Uniforms -> Good. Specially without panties.

Anyway, she is a staff sergeant. I´m pretty sure she demands discipline. Now, can she demand discipline from a bunch of 18 year old´s cadets who look at her and think about fucking her?

No.

Yes. It's easier to get discipline from people who like you than from people who want to rip your intestines out.

Wrong.

Right! Statistics from the U.S. are obviously valid in ITALY! Jesus Christ, man. Reading comprehension.

Wrong.


Dude, no offense, but what the hell are you quoting the Heritage Foundation for? They're about as biased an organization as you could find.
There is, btw, a minimum requirement to join the military--or was until the war started. You have to have a high school education or a GED and some college. So yeah, I would guess taht 98% of recruits have a high school diploma. That doesn't mean that the genuinely normal, smart and sane ones stay in, it just means that our basic cannon fodder is of a higher level than say...the vietnam era when we drafted retarded people and put them in infantry units...

That an 18 year old has a diploma doesn't mean he won't sleep with hookers, or become a fundamentalist christian when exposed to others of that type. As I said, the good ones get out, leaving the military to be run by puckered assholes.

Yes. It's easier to get discipline from people who like you than from people who want to rip your intestines out.

no way man. I hope this is sarcasm..:D

If your troops want to fuck you then they aren't going to pay attention to their job. they'll be worried about you getting a round in that pretty face.

Wrong.

What do US statistics have to do with italy's demographics?

Dude, no offense, but what the hell are you quoting the Heritage Foundation for? They're about as biased an organization as you could find.
Because that's the only place he can find statistics that agree with him? Just sayin'.

Because that's the only place he can find statistics that agree with him? Just sayin'.

It's a heck of a lot better than some anecdote about how Italy raises it's volunteer army from the poor. An example, by the way, that _was_ directed back at the U.S. Army on a previous page. Not your point, Nazz, but I had to throw that in due to all the ignorant comments by folks that couldn't figure out why Eve was responding to Italian statistics.

Back to your point, how about some real stats to counter the Heritage study?

It's a heck of a lot better than some anecdote about how Italy raises it's volunteer army from the poor. An example, by the way, that _was_ directed back at the U.S. Army on a previous page. Not your point, Nazz, but I had to throw that in due to all the ignorant comments by folks that couldn't figure out why Eve was responding to Italian statistics.

Back to your point, how about some real stats to counter the Heritage study?

Really? I followed the posting back through most of the exchange between Rooseveldt and Risottia ... I did not see where they were specifically talking about the US army ... they seemed to be pretty general statements about the military in general ... in the end an example was givin about the italian millitary and was countered by a statistic from the US

Thoes stats did not counter the example and the discussion before then does not appear to be US specific either

Really? I followed the posting back through most of the exchange between Rooseveldt and Risottia ... I did not see where they were specifically talking about the US army ... they seemed to be pretty general statements about the military in general ... in the end an example was givin about the italian millitary and was countered by a statistic from the US

Thoes stats did not counter the example and the discussion before then does not appear to be US specific either

I took it as a rather general comment repeating the myth (at least in the US) that only the stupid and uneducated and poor join the Army.

Just making the point that even if it's the stupid and poor who join in other armies, it is not the case in the US.

I took it as a rather general comment repeating the myth (at least in the US) that only the stupid and uneducated and poor join the Army.

Just making the point that even if it's the stupid and poor who join in other armies, it is not the case in the US.

That may be true ... I was not arguing that point ... just that the logical flow was a bit questionable without it being supported by anything you said ... you simply said wrong

That in of itself was incorrect it may be "Wrong" in the case of the US but that does not make it "Wrong" necessarily for the rest of the world.

If you had not simply dismissed the argument as a whole with a single example, not countering the example of the quote then I would be behind you, you had actual stats and a source as opposed to vague claims.