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http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/01/14/thailand.south.ap/index.html

I think we know what their problem is.

I think we know what their problem is.
Disrespect for even the most basic human rights for those even slightly different than oneself.

Well, a simple, if albeit daunting, way of dealing with the issue is simply by cordoning off the entire area and processing each and every person in there with a battery of lie detection tests and holding those who have passed in some suitably secure, but not prisonlike area until everyone has been processed.

A massive scale investigation of sorts I suppose

It's hard to see why it's a story, actually.

Drive-by shootings and bombings occur almost daily in Thailand's three southernmost Muslim-majority provinces of Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani, where an Islamic insurgency that flared in January 2004 has killed more than 1,900 people.

That's almost exactly two per day. This is a story about two people being killed.

It was the beheading thing I guess :confused:

I'm sure we should blame the Liberals.
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Their problem is they're religious.

I'm sure we should blame the Liberals.
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Ghehehe

Dunno, maybe it's a story. It was a monk.
Nah, not a story. The beheading was apparently posthumous.
But then again ... the suspects were muslims. Allegedly.
But it's Thailand, a mainly Buddhist nation.
Child prostitution. OK, OK, there's no link there, but if there was it would be "Summary justice for Imam covering up child sexual slavery"
... only it's not Imam, it's monk. Bugger. No story.

What a pissant* story! It's so short, unattributed. Looks like one of those stories that cnn takes down after a few days because someone asked "wtf?"

Actually, this might make a nice therapy session for NSG. "Take two of the listed talking points and invent a story. First to get posted to Yahoo or Msn news wins. Double points for cnn or The Independent."

*Probably anglicized French. I take it to mean "Oh dear, I pissed on an ant!"

Thailand should eject this southern province from its union.

Well. Those men are sick.

What a pissant* story! It's so short, unattributed. Looks like one of those stories that cnn takes down after a few days because someone asked "wtf?"

The CNN link was just from the wire. Google News lists 67 entries of the same story. I'm thinking it is genuine.

The CNN link was just from the wire. Google News lists 67 entries of the same story. I'm thinking it is genuine.

I'm not disputing the facts. I'm just disputing that it's news.

Thailand should eject this southern province from its union.

Your stated location is "ireland" +1
"Union" and "southern" could be a jab at the Americans +1
Your post could pass as a serious comment on Thailand +2

You get a :D
Aww, :D :D

I'm not disputing the facts. I'm just disputing that it's news.

Well it is. It fullfills several newsworthiness criteria:


Currency (up to date I'm guessing)
Timeliness (Islamic violence)
Conflict (obv)
The unusual (beheading)
Possibly human interest (the buddhist man and his wife)

Well it is. It fullfills several newsworthiness criteria

<snip points of newsworthiness>

Here's where I fail at NSG. I've made my point, but don't think it's worth arguing about. I would rather go to bed, and I will.
If anyone is keeping score, this is +1 Progressica, -1 Nobel Hobos.

No parting shot. It's all good.

Hey, who the hell changed my title?

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/01/14/thailand.south.ap/index.html

I think we know what their problem is.

The problem with your post is that you're supposed to give some kind of commentary on the article -- otherwise it's just spam.

Word to the wise and all that.

It's commentary. I don't like islam. That's my commentary.

It's commentary. I don't like islam. That's my commentary.

Then say it. One line of "I think we know what this means" is spam.


Also, I changed the title. You can say what you like within reason inside a thread (no flaming, no excessive profanity) but the titles fall under a more stringent standard as we're used in schools and they show up in the sidebar on our front page.

It's commentary. I don't like islam. That's my commentary.

Gee, I'm pretty sure many Iraqis could post the news about Abu Ghraib as an excuse for them "not liking" Americans. You know, if said Americans had left a iota of infrastructure for internet or electricity in Iraq, which they, in their utter incompetence even to rape and invade a country like they did to Iraq, did not. Much like it's only the US government in this case, it's also only the extremists in the case of Islam, but, hey, let's not let the facts get into the way of your prejudice!

Or you could admit that you're just bigoted against muslims in the first place, admit an unfounded prejudice, and let this thread die.

It's commentary. I don't like islam. That's my commentary.
If only one never had to use Arabic numerals. That way, you can be a consistent bigot.

Or you could admit that you're just bigoted against muslims in the first place, admit an unfounded prejudice, and let this thread die.

Unfounded? 9/11, London, Madrid, Bali x2, England-America planes attempt, Cologne train attempt.

Unfounded my ass.

If only one never had to use Arabic numerals. That way, you can be a consistent bigot.

Except that they originated in India. Arabs are historically experts at importing things from one place to another, then claiming it as their own.

If only one never had to use Arabic numerals. That way, you can be a consistent bigot.

You didn't hear? Numbers were invented by George Bush, that was appointed by God to lead the BLESSED US of A. (Sarcasm)

Unfounded? 9/11, London, Madrid, Bali x2, England-America planes attempt, Cologne train attempt.

Unfounded my ass.

Two can play this game.

Pinochet, Iraq X2 (Setting up Saddam there too), Nicaragua, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, BRAZIL, MY COUNTRY ITSELF, IN WHICH THE US GOVERNMENT FUNDED AND SUPPORTED A DICTATORSHIP!

Pinochet, Iraq X2 (Setting up Saddam there too), Nicaragua, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, BRAZIL, MY COUNTRY ITSELF, IN WHICH THE US GOVERNMENT FUNDED AND SUPPORTED A DICTATORSHIP!

Those were all good things. Well, except Iraq 2.

Those were all good things. Well, except Iraq 2.

If you intended to claim the rape of my country was a good thing in your post in order to make me flame you, I won't, but nice try.

It's always "good" or "necessary" for you when the USA are the criminals though, right? Because, you being a bigot, the US can do no wrong and the Arabs can do no right. It is not like that, unless 9/11 was also a "good" thing. The only difference from Hiroshima to 9/11 is that in Hiroshima more civilians were cowardly slaughtered and murdered.

If you intended to claim the rape of my country was a good thing in your post in order to make me flame you, I won't, but nice try.

I don't care about your country.

It's always "good" or "necessary" for you when the USA are the criminals though, right? Because, you being a bigot, the US can do no wrong and the Arabs can do no right. It is not like that, unless 9/11 was also a "good" thing.

I don't particularly like the US. I just don't see anything wrong with their actions. I would have done the same thing. Probably.

The only difference from Hiroshima to 9/11 is that in Hiroshima more civilians were cowardly slaughtered and murdered.

Nukes = hundreds of thousands dead
Ground war = millions dead

I don't care about your country.

I hope you get to live under the regimes you claim to be "good things" one day. Then you will scream and plead for someone to care about your country. And I hope you will get the same response you just gave.

I don't particularly like the US. I just don't see anything wrong with their actions. I would have done the same thing. Probably.

Which would beget the same results, because meddling into other countries' affairs has this effect on people.

Nukes = hundreds of thousands dead
Ground war = millions dead

1- Historical fact: This "ground invasion will be harder" thing is a fallacy.

2- Toss the nukes at empty areas then, but your bloodlust is too strong for that, isn't it?

Toss the nukes at empty areas then, but your bloodlust is too strong for that, isn't it?

Empty areas don't prove anything. In fact, it probably wouldn't have done any damage to an empty field, since, AFAIK, the nukes were detonated in mid air.

1- Historical fact: This "ground invasion will be harder" thing is a fallacy.

No, it's not. Japan still had a reasonable armed forces, which was fairly fanatic and known for it's ferocity.

Empty areas don't prove anything. In fact, it probably wouldn't have done any damage to an empty field, since, AFAIK, the nukes were detonated in mid air.

And again the cry of "It's okay when we do it!".

No, it's not. Japan still had a reasonable armed forces, which was fairly fanatic and known for it's ferocity.

Drop the bomb at a military base then. Regardless, your sorry excuses do nothing to disprove the atrocities committed by many US governments.

And again the cry of "It's okay when we do it!".

When did I say that? When did I even say "we"? I'm not American, twit!

When did I say that? When did I even say "we"? I'm not American, twit!

Then "we the Caucasians", or "we the ones that I agree with". Bombing Hiroshima would NOT be okay for Brazilians, would NOT be okay for Arabs, would NOT be okay for ANYONE. The same goes to 9/11. Atrocities are NOT okay regardless of who does it, and regardless of rationales that are based on flimsy possibilities, and that's what I'm trying to teach you.

Then "we the Caucasians", or "we the ones that I agree with". Bombing Hiroshima would NOT be okay for Brazilians, would NOT be okay for Arabs, would NOT be okay for ANYONE. The same goes to 9/11. Atrocities are NOT okay regardless of who does it, and that's what I'm trying to teach you.

Uh huh. And it's fine to let millions of troops die, when they're not your troops. I'm sure if you were in the American high command, you'd be saying "Well, we can end the war tomorrow, but lets waste millions of lives trying to win the war over the next 5 years!"

but the titles fall under a more stringent standard as we're used in schools and they show up in the sidebar on our front page.

Thanks for the guilt.....

Those were all good things. Well, except Iraq 2.

Why are hundreds of thousands of dead Latin Americans "good things"?

Why are hundreds of thousands of dead Latin Americans "good things"?

Better a normal dictatorship than a communist one.

Better a normal dictatorship than a communist one.

Neither Goulart nor Allende were even close to being communists, and, even if they were, they were democratically elected. But - assuming you're British - it'd be perfectly okay for us to overthrow Blair and set up a dictatorship in YOUR country if we disagreed with what he did, right?

But, more to the point: When the fuck did that become your OR the American's decision to make? It did not. It was OUR decision to make in Brazil's case, and the Chilean people's decision to make in Chile.

Uh huh. And it's fine to let millions of troops die, when they're not your troops. I'm sure if you were in the American high command, you'd be saying "Well, we can end the war tomorrow, but lets waste millions of lives trying to win the war over the next 5 years!"

There is no evidence to say it would be costlier in lives, only mere possibilities. Regardless, why not fire the bomb at a Japanese military base then? I'm sure if Brighton or Liverpool were targeted by Atomic bombs you'd balk at the concept of them being necessary too, but anything goes as long as it's not caucasians dying, right?

Better a normal dictatorship than a communist one.

Well for one thing, they were more socialist than communist, and secondly, their aims were often perfectly reasonable, whatever they might be labelled. And rather no dictatorship, under any circumstances, than one imposed from outside.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/01/14/thailand.south.ap/index.html

I think we know what their problem is.

"N.C. Man Arrested in D.C. After Daughter, 4, Is Beheaded

By Michael Tunison
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 14, 2007; Page A11

U.S. marshals arrested a North Carolina man at a downtown Washington hotel early yesterday on suspicion that he decapitated his 4-year-old daughter."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/13/AR2007011301017.html
The weather maybe?

There is no evidence to say it would be costlier in lives, only mere possibilities. Regardless, why not fire the bomb at a Japanese military base then? I'm sure if Brighton or Liverpool were targeted by Atomic bombs you'd balk at the concept of them being necessary too, but anything goes as long as it's not caucasians dying, right?

Much as I hate to side with TPF in a thread...

*Shudders*

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were legitimate military targets - one a naval base, the other a centre for military supplies and troop transfers. Non-military targets were dismissed before these two were chosen.

It was a terrible thing; any sane person won't say otherwise. The other options, however, were far grimmer. A blockade of Japan (Already in progress) would have taken months, even years and hurt the entire population, aerial bombing would have done little with the Emperor still demanding conditional surrender, and Operation Olympic...well, considering the Joint Chiefs of Staff made a conservative estimate of around 150,000 US casualties (US Army only - not taking into account other branches, allied forces, and not even considering the Japanese military and civilian population)...

It was an immoral thing to do, yes. It will be something that will shame the US as long as it exists as a country, and rightfully so. But considering the other options, it was probably the best...if anything in that situation can be called 'the best'...

The main problem is a backward and twisted religion.

The main problem is a backward and twisted religion.


Sez the man from "Godidit" country, where the Chimp in Chief thinks hes in touch with the almighty.....

Sez the man from "Godidit" country, where the Chimp in Chief thinks hes in touch with the almighty.....

I can almost taste the irony...

Except that they originated in India. Arabs are historically experts at importing things from one place to another, then claiming it as their own.
That has to be a first. By missing my point completely, you actually proved it.

The main problem is a backward and twisted religion.

I don't see what Bush's Fundamentalist Christianity has to do with anything in this thread.

"N.C. Man Arrested in D.C. After Daughter, 4, Is Beheaded

By Michael Tunison
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 14, 2007; Page A11

U.S. marshals arrested a North Carolina man at a downtown Washington hotel early yesterday on suspicion that he decapitated his 4-year-old daughter."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/13/AR2007011301017.html
The weather maybe?
Oh, do play fair. We can't expose these people to facts, can we?:rolleyes:

Oh, do play fair. We can't expose these people to facts, can we?:rolleyes:

Tends to irritate them only temporarily, before they bigot boldy onward.

That has to be a first. By missing my point completely, you actually proved it.

I don't see importing stuff from one region to another as any great service. Indians get far more credit for creating the numerals than Arabs do for transporting them.

Oh, do play fair. We can't expose these people to facts, can we?:rolleyes:

I don't pretend that crimes don't happen in the West. But here in the West, we don't use religion as a reason, and even if we did, we get arrested anyway.

I don't pretend that crimes don't happen in the West. But here in the West, we don't use religion as a reason, and even if we did, we get arrested anyway.

Well, if you reassure yourself that your decison is ok by consulting with your own personal Jesus...what then? And Isn't georgie supposed to have been inspired to run for Pres. by a sermon?

Well, if you reassure yourself that your decison is ok by consulting with your own personal Jesus...what then? And Isn't georgie supposed to have been inspired to run for Pres. by a sermon?

Jesus can't help you get out of jail. And Bush has, what, about as much power as a slug now?

Jesus can't help you get out of jail. And Bush has, what, about as much power as a slug now?

And hes going to "Jail" when?

And the people that are deceased because of him and his crew are coming back from the dead when?

And the assholes who helped create the atmosphere for his little middle eastern jaunt by going on about the "twisted and backwards religon" and "Allah is a moon god" etc will be up before what court?

I don't pretend that crimes don't happen in the West. But here in the West, we don't use religion as a reason, and even if we did, we get arrested anyway.

Ever heard of the Troubles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles)in Northern Ireland? Or Sarin attacks on the Tokyo subway? Or Bush declaring a crusade?

And what on earth does being arrested have to do with it? Do you think that the Thai authorities won't do anything, and if they did nothing, religion would be a cause?

And hes going to "Jail" when?

And the people that are deceased because of him and his crew are coming back from the dead when?

And the assholes who helped create the atmosphere for his little middle eastern jaunt by going on about the "twisted and backwards religon" and "Allah is a moon god" etc will be up before what court?

Technically, Bush was in the right. Saddam WAS a dictator.

Ever heard of the Troubles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles)in Northern Ireland? Or Sarin attacks on the Tokyo subway? Or Bush declaring a crusade?

For the last time, will people stop comparing the War on Terror to the Northern Ireland situation? They're nothing alike. There wasn't a holy war going in the Ireland.

Tokyo sarin attack? And where is Shoko Asahara now? On death row.

And what on earth does being arrested have to do with it? Do you think that the Thai authorities won't do anything, and if they did nothing, religion would be a cause?

No! They don't do anything! That's why this keeps happening.

No! They don't do anything! That's why this keeps happening.

That's not because of their religion, that's because Thailand is a military dictatorship. Dictatorships thrive in crime and tension, and they're using the manpower to oppress the populace anyways. And, since it's not communist, it's one you support, I'm sure.

For the last time, will people stop comparing the War on Terror to the Northern Ireland situation? They're nothing alike. There wasn't a holy war going in the Ireland.
When on earth did I compare the War on Terror© to NI? Last I looked, we were discussing your assertions about the west not using religion in conflict.

And here's what wiki has to say about the NI situation. (Let's just ignore my anecdotal evidence.)

Religion and class are the two major determinants of political allegiance in Northern Ireland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles#Religion.2C_class_and_region


It cannot be denied, however, that religion does play a part in the conflict, since churches are used as organizing points for demonstrations, and Protestants are far more likely to oppose union with the Catholic-dominated Republic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

No! They don't do anything! That's why this keeps happening.
http://en.ce.cn/World/Asia-Pacific/200609/08/t20060908_8479858.shtml
Doing nothing, eh?

The problem is that non-Buddhists are out there and, sadly, will never attain Nirvana. Booyah!

For the last time, will people stop comparing the War on Terror to the Northern Ireland situation? They're nothing alike. There wasn't a holy war going in the Ireland.



Depends who you mean. I seem to remember the LVF being fond of something along the lines of 'the hands of the revenger are innocent of blood' as a justification for shooting into pubs and crowds at chip vans....

Depends who you mean. I seem to remember the LVF being fond of something along the lines of 'the hands of the revenger are innocent of blood' as a justification for shooting into pubs and crowds at chip vans....

Yeah, I wasn't there nor really followed it, but wasn't there at least some fighting between Catholics and Protestants? Specifically?

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/01/14/thailand.south.ap/index.html

I think we know what their problem is.

God damn. He's a Buddhist. He probably did nothing to anyone.

God damn. He's a Buddhist. He probably did nothing to anyone.

Yep, but I'm sure TPF would not be complaining if the murderer happened to be a fundie Christian.

Yep, but I'm sure TPF would not be complaining if the murderer happened to be a fundie Christian.

I don't like any murderer.

I don't like any murderer.

Yet you supported the coups in South America, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Iraq 1...

Yet you supported the coups in South America, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Iraq 1...

Yes, but clearly those aren't murders.:rolleyes:

Yet you supported the coups in South America, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Iraq 1...

I see nothing wrong with fighting communism and fascism.

And... how can you justify Iraq 1 from Saddam's side? What, did he have the right to invade Kuwait, because he's not American?

Hypocrite.

I see nothing wrong with fighting communism and fascism.

And... how can you justify Iraq 1 from Saddam's side? What, did he have the right to invade Kuwait, because he's not American?

Hypocrite.

I misunderstood, I thought Iraq 1 was when the US put Saddam in power. And the coups were murders, whatever the fake guise you want to put them under, and you support it, so, yes, you like certain murderers - the ones that follow your agenda, regardless of their rape of several countries, including mine own.

I see nothing wrong with fighting communism and fascism.

And... how can you justify Iraq 1 from Saddam's side? What, did he have the right to invade Kuwait, because he's not American?

Hypocrite.


So muslim sepratist beheads Buddhist = bad.

US funded right wing death squad bumps off Bishop=good.

So muslim sepratist beheads Buddhist = bad.

US funded right wing death squad bumps off Bishop=good.

Wait... Wasn't I the one supposed to be the hypocrite here?

It's commentary. I don't like islam. That's my commentary.

That's OK. Some people don't like Jews. You don't like Muslims. You're all basically nazis and your childlike rantings are easily dismissed as bigotry.

It's commentary. I don't like islam. That's my commentary.

Why? just because a small portion of Muslims twist Islam and the Qur'an to meet there own political goals while doing these bad things like beheading people unprovoked, doesn't mean Islam is bad. Islam in it of itself is something beautiful.

Yep, but I'm sure TPF would not be complaining if the murderer happened to be a fundie Christian.

Damn, I would. I hate all religions equally. I still respect people for being good people, though.

That's OK. Some people don't like Jews. You don't like Muslims. You're all basically nazis and your childlike rantings are easily dismissed as bigotry.

Not like a religion is different from not liking religious people, completely different. I'm sure you don't like right wing politics, but you obviously don't hate all right wingers.

And the assholes who helped create the atmosphere for his little middle eastern jaunt by going on about the "twisted and backwards religon" and "Allah is a moon god" etc will be up before what court?

The Almighty, if there's any justice in the universe. Then they can attempt to justify themselves to Him.