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Didn't need to start this until after the England v Australia game since no discussion about the one possible result was needed.

Australia are 3/118 after 23 overs against NZ.

Picks?

Australia. And New Zealand will beat England. Comprehensively.

Australia. And New Zealand will beat England. Comprehensively.

Sad but true.

They play each other four times before the finals? Eh?

Well, here's my predictions:

All the Australia vs England matches will be won by Australia. All the Australia vs New Zealand matches will be won by Australia. All the England vs New Zealand matches will be won by New Zealand.

Why bother even having the tournament?

Oooh, and, as this is a cricket thread, what do people think of Darrell Hair umpiring again?

They play each other four times before the finals? Eh?

Well, here's my predictions:

All the Australia vs England matches will be won by Australia. All the Australia vs New Zealand matches will be won by Australia. All the England vs New Zealand matches will be won by New Zealand.

Why bother even having the tournament?

Oooh, and, as this is a cricket thread, what do people think of Darrell Hair umpiring again?

I can't believe they are letting him. He pretty much asked for a bribe to quit and hopefully avoid controversy. A crazy and ridiculous decision. Also, did they ever find evidence of the ball tampering alleged by Hair? I think what Pakistan did was too much, but still. Whatever the case, he is a distraction away from the actual game and should stay retired.

I can't believe they are letting him. He pretty much asked for a bribe to quit and hopefully avoid controversy. A crazy and ridiculous decision. Also, did they ever find evidence of the ball tampering alleged by Hair? I think what Pakistan did was too much, but still. Whatever the case, he is a distraction away from the actual game and should stay retired.
No, there was apparently no evidence whatsoever of the supposed ball tampering.

The ICC agreed never to let him umpire any matches involving Test nations, and he's umpiring a one-day series between Scotland, Canada and Kenya. I think it's a warm-up for the World Cup. He's not going to be offered a new contract when his current one expires, which is the end of this year, I think.

No, there was apparently no evidence whatsoever of the supposed ball tampering.

The ICC agreed never to let him umpire any matches involving Test nations, and he's umpiring a one-day series between Scotland, Canada and Kenya. I think it's a warm-up for the World Cup. He's not going to be offered a new contract when his current one expires, which is the end of this year, I think.

Well that isn't as bad. When does his contract expire? The sooner the better...

Hat-trick for Bond. Good thing for NZ - chasing 290 will be hard enough, could easily have been over 300 if it hadn't have been for those wickets.

McGrath predicted that Aus would win all of their matches. He was on the money with his Ashes prediction, can he do it again?

I think Aus will lose one or two matches (more likely against NZ than England), but win the series fairly comfortably. NZ will finish runners-up. The Poms are in real danger of going home without winning a single game, of any type whatsoever, on this tour.

Meh, this has just turned into the de facto cricket thread, and I'm happy enough with that.


Australia: 289/8 after 50 overs. Bond gets tonked and then takes a hat trick. If I remember rightly, Danny Morrison is the only other NZer to do that in an ODI.

I thought it was a really good effort from Bond to come back & get a hattrick, after those wides & no-balls, and White really getting after him.

289 is going to be a tough chase for NZ though.

(from the Ashes (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508096&page=36) thread).

I thought it was a really good effort from Bond to come back & get a hattrick, after those wides & no-balls, and White really getting after him.

289 is going to be a tough chase for NZ though.

(from the Ashes thread).
Just asked in Moderation for this thread to be merged into the Ashes thread.

I've not been watching it - relying on BBC Sport and Cricinfo for my updates. But (from the stats) Bond did seem to do well to keep going. Bowling at England will be like a walk in the park for him. :p :(

They play each other four times before the finals? Eh?

Well, here's my predictions:

All the Australia vs England matches will be won by Australia. All the Australia vs New Zealand matches will be won by Australia. All the England vs New Zealand matches will be won by New Zealand.

Why bother even having the tournament?

Oooh, and, as this is a cricket thread, what do people think of Darrell Hair umpiring again?

It's been pretty much answered by others in this thread, but I'll add my opinion.

I think that after asking the ICC to pay him USD$500,000 to resign, his position as an international umpire became totally untenable. I'd be amazed if the ICC renewed his contract, he'll umpire these "minnow" games & that will be the end of his international career.

I think he's actually a pretty decent umpire (in terms of making correct out/not out decisions), so I wouldn't be surprised if he continues adjudicating in Aus domestic games.

They play each other four times before the finals? Eh?

Well, here's my predictions:

All the Australia vs England matches will be won by Australia. All the Australia vs New Zealand matches will be won by Australia. All the England vs New Zealand matches will be won by New Zealand.

Why bother even having the tournament?

Oooh, and, as this is a cricket thread, what do people think of Darrell Hair umpiring again?

oh boy I hope these words come back to haunt you when England win it.

/living in eternal hope! LOL

Didn't need to start this until after the England v Australia game since no discussion about the one possible result was needed.

Australia are 3/118 after 23 overs against NZ.

Picks?
Good on you son. ;)

Australia returned to the blistering run rate that they set earlier on but Vettori was robbed of an LBW.
Gillespie was a dream again and Bond.
*Swoons*

Why can't people make public polls?:(

I want whatever you're on! :p

Good on you son. ;)

Australia returned to the blistering run rate that they set earlier on but Vettori was robbed of an LBW.
Gillespie was a dream again and Bond.
*Swoons*

Why can't people make public polls?:(

Yes, public polls are good. That way we can mock whoever picks England. ;)

I want whatever you're on! :p
You're talking to Rubiconic Crossings right?
...

Yes, public polls are good. That way we can mock whoever picks England. ;)
Picking the English thats just foolish.

I suspect that Kanabia is Nathan Bracken...

You're talking to Rubiconic Crossings right?
...

I would be, but despite what he wrote in his post, he hasn't picked England in the poll. Currently the Poms have 0% support in the poll.

Picking the English thats just foolish.

I suspect that Kanabia is Nathan Bracken...

Really? I would never have suspected.

Ben Hilfenhaus is coming on to bowl, a Tasmanian making his debut on his home ground. I was quite impressed with his four overs against England in the 20/20.

I would be, but despite what he wrote in his post, he hasn't picked England in the poll. Currently the Poms have 0% support in the poll.

I might be deluded...but I'm not THAT deluded! ;)

Astle, caught Gilchrist, bowled Bracken. NZ 1/5 in the 3rd over. Some speculation over whether the ball carried though. The umpire at square leg thought it did.

Astle, caught Gilchrist, bowled Bracken. NZ 1/5 in the 3rd over. Some speculation over whether the ball carried though. The umpire at square leg thought it did.
Not the start they would've wanted, methinks.

Sweepstake on how NZ will fare?

Really? I would never have suspected.

Ben Hilfenhaus is coming on to bowl, a Tasmanian making his debut on his home ground. I was quite impressed with his four overs against England in the 20/20.
Understatement of the year?

Yeah he looked alright but England needed to have a go, which made them play worse, i'm sure he has more talent than Mick Lewis.

EDIT:
He got a wicket...
McCullum

Understatement of the year?

Yeah he looked alright but England needed to have a go, which made them play worse, i'm sure he has more talent than Mick Lewis.

EDIT:
He got a wicket...
McCullum

NZ now 2/9.

I think Hilfenhaus will be a very good bowler for Aus for the next 10 years, he's only about 23. Mick Lewis is okay, but he doesn't have the movement that Hilfhenhaus gets. That's what makes him dangerous.

NZ now 2/9.

I think Hilfenhaus will be a very good bowler for Aus for the next 10 years, he's only about 23. Mick Lewis is okay, but he doesn't have the movement that Hilfhenhaus gets. That's what makes him dangerous.
Mick Lewis lost his Contract with th ACB last year because of his poor performance against South Africa 100+ runs and no wickets.

Mick Lewis lost his Contract with th ACB last year because of his poor performance against South Africa 100+ runs and no wickets.

I remember that match. Aus made something like 430 & South Africa chased it down.

Mick Lewis is still playing domestic cricket for Victoria & bowling pretty well. He took 4/34 to help the Vics win the domestic 20/20 trophy (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/australia/engine/match/251672.html) last night.

How good must Hilfenhaus be feeling? 3 runs an over, his first wicket in his first ODI. Congrats to him.

NZ now 3/80. Fleming out for 29, caught by Hussey off Mitchell Johnson.

I remember that match. Aus made something like 430 & South Africa chased it down.

Mick Lewis is still playing domestic cricket for Victoria & bowling pretty well. He took 4/34 to help the Vics win the domestic 20/20 trophy (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/australia/engine/match/251672.html) last night.
I can't believe we lost to you guys in Wellington last Feburary.
How good must Hilfenhaus be feeling? 3 runs an over, his first wicket in his first ODI. Congrats to him.
Chippa.

Positive shots from Taylor.

I can't believe we lost to you guys in Wellington last Feburary.

I can't remember the game to be honest.

Chippa.

Positive shots from Taylor.

I'm impressed with Taylor, he's batting very well. I haven't heard of him at all prior to today's match.

I can't remember the game to be honest.



I'm impressed with Taylor, he's batting very well. I haven't heard of him at all prior to today's match.
I think it is his 5th ODI, but there has been talk of him being put into the team for the last year and a bit to stiffen the top order, he is only 21, mind you Tendulkar was 16 when he started playing for India.

Not that i am saying Taylor is the new Tendulkar...

He got 100+ on debut.
And just smashed a six.

Taylor 70 off 70. Symonds disapeared twice into the crowd.

They play each other four times before the finals? Eh?

Well, here's my predictions:

All the Australia vs England matches will be won by Australia. All the Australia vs New Zealand matches will be won by Australia. All the England vs New Zealand matches will be won by New Zealand.

Why bother even having the tournament?
Naw, I think what will happen is:
Oz will beat England in every match.
The Kiwis will win one against Oz.
England will win one against the Kiwis due to the inevitable KBC - Kiwi Batting Collapse (TM).

Oz will clean up in the final.

the batting falls over, and at 6/166, that is probably that.


Nice innings by Taylor, and Fulton was looking good for a while there.

the batting falls over, and at 6/166, that is probably that.
What did I just say!
The good ol' KBC rears it's ugly head yet again.

Spectacular collapse!

They were 3/150, going along okay. I wandered off to do something, came back to the TV & they were suddenly 9/180!

Hooray for Darrel hair, and oh dear lord, England are as buggerred as Saddam:p

Can Australia go undefeated through the Ahses and the CB series?

Yes.

Can Australia go undefeated through the Ahses and the CB series?

Yes.

I don't think they will though. Even the aussies drop the odd one day international. I think one of the later games against NZ they will lose, before crushing NZ 2-0 in the final.

In the 8 games Shane Bond has played against Aus he has taken Ponting's wicket 6 times. Is there any other bowler in the world who can claim Ponting as his bunny?

NZ 61-2 from 14 overs. Obviously still too early to tell, but England might win a match! :eek:

74/3 now. If Anderson keeps this up (and our batsmen don't screw up...), who knows. Could be the first England victory for a few months...

Edit: Gotta love Cricinfo's text commentary:

"18.2: Flintoff to Astle, no run, 88.9mph and it raps Astle's on the pad like a gangster rapper with gold bling dangling from his neck" :D

74/3 now. If Anderson keeps this up (and our batsmen don't screw up...), who knows. Could be the first England victory for a few months...

Edit: Gotta love Cricinfo's text commentary:

"18.2: Flintoff to Astle, no run, 88.9mph and it raps Astle's on the pad like a gangster rapper with gold bling dangling from his neck" :D

Nice! :D

NZ now 5/130, looks like the KBC is back into play.

139/5 from 35 overs. Kiwis need to get 7 /over til the end to post a decent score.
Will it happen?

will it bunnies!

*sighs*
*envisions another famous KBC (TM)*
*sighs even more deeply*
*sighs for the thrice time and wanders off to do some work*

Vettori's out, NZ now 6/146. Not looking good for the Kiwis, but the Poms are a real chance to get their first win of the tour.

McMillan's out now, c&b Collingwood! NZ 7/146.

and McMillan goes to a typically soft dismisal as I get home from uni. It's ok, the Wellington bowling trio wont let us down. That Bond chap tends to be quite useful as well.

NZ 205 after 50 overs. I'm pretty confident they can win though if they get a few wickets early.

No Pietersen. :)

206 to win.

Without KP, if Bond fires and Vettori turns the screws with miserly bowling we have a chance.

I can see this turning into one of those games where you don't know who's going to win til the very last ball.


What's up with McMillan being in the team? When was the last time ol' Lardass had a decent innings. He seems to always get out on soft dismissals.

Bond & Vettori are definitely the keys to a Kiwi win today. If they don't fire, England should win fairly comfortably.

England 3/79 from 24 overs. NZ are bowling very well, this could be a very close game.

Great news guys!
John Bracewell rang me up 5 minutes ago and said that Monkeypimp and i are in the next match, we are going to open the batting and Bowling!

I don't think they will though. Even the aussies drop the odd one day international. I think one of the later games against NZ they will lose, before crushing NZ 2-0 in the final.

In the 8 games Shane Bond has played against Aus he has taken Ponting's wicket 6 times. Is there any other bowler in the world who can claim Ponting as his bunny?
And he has bowled to him in only 7 of those 8 games.*
*Ponting was out before Bond had his second spell.;)

Honestly WTF happened on Sunday.:/

Great news guys!
John Bracewell rang me up 5 minutes ago and said that Monkeypimp and i are in the next match, we are going to open the batting and Bowling!

Cool! According to cricinfo (http://content-search.cricinfo.com/ci/content/site/search.html?search=harlesburg&x=47&y=10), you'd be the first cricketers with those names. Can I hang around with you after the match?

90 runs to get in 17 overs with 6 wickets left.

Could go either way here.
A couple of big overs would prob lift the Pom's confidence and allow them to canter home.
Or a couple of wickets and it's NZ's game.

No prizes for guessing which one I want.:)

90 runs to get in 17 overs with 6 wickets left.

Could go either way here.
A couple of big overs would prob lift the Pom's confidence and allow them to canter home.
Or a couple of wickets and it's NZ's game.

No prizes for guessing which one I want.:)

Both to lose? ;)

England 5/185, needing 23 runs from 25 balls. Could be a very tight finish, but I'd back the batting side from this situation.

Well, congratulations to England on winning one of 13 games thus far.

23 off the last two overs. That's pretty much it, then.

I can't understand the thinking that went into giving crucial overs to:
1. A chubby, out-of-shape, off-form p/t bowler who then gets hit for 11 runs and;
2. The only bowler on the NZ team whose first spell cost more than 6 an over and proceeds to bowl 2nb and let through 12 runs.

Where's the logic there?

7/201, England are trying their hardest to lose.

England win with 1 ball to spare. Well defended by the Kiwis, but Flintoff's 72 from 75 balls made the difference.

England certainly tried their best to lose but didn't quite manage to do so. Little did they realise that the Kiwi's will to lose was much stronger than theirs!

Again, I ask why the hell did they let a p/t bowler bowl out the last overs when Franklin, with figures of 2/34 off 9 still had an over left and Bond, with 0/29 off 8 had 2 overs left to bowl (and had taken a hat-trick in the 50th over of the previous match)?

*shakes head in exasperation*

McMillan didn't do a bad job in his last few, but it is a wonder he was bowling instead of Bond or Franklin.

I missed most of that innings, did Bond injure himself again?

No balls were the difference in the end.


and.. Englands one top class player decided to come to the party. Damn.

No balls were the difference in the end.
Yep. NZ's top order didn't have any.

23 off the last two overs. That's pretty much it, then.

I can't understand the thinking that went into giving crucial overs to:
1. A chubby, out-of-shape, off-form p/t bowler who then gets hit for 11 runs and;
2. The only bowler on the NZ team whose first spell cost more than 6 an over and proceeds to bowl 2nb and let through 12 runs.

Where's the logic there?
They are growing the team...
Was it Mason or Franklin?(I haven't seen any of the game)
I actually see McMillian as a guy to chuck the ball to because his crap bowling often gets a wicket, however i don't know the circumstances.
Cool! According to cricinfo (http://content-search.cricinfo.com/ci/content/site/search.html?search=harlesburg&x=47&y=10), you'd be the first cricketers with those names. Can I hang around with you after the match?
Yes you may, and Monkeypimp sounds awfully Dutch don't you think?
*Shiftyeyes*

Australia. And New Zealand will beat England. Comprehensively.

Sad but true.

They play each other four times before the finals? Eh?

Well, here's my predictions:

All the Australia vs England matches will be won by Australia. All the Australia vs New Zealand matches will be won by Australia. All the England vs New Zealand matches will be won by New Zealand.

Why bother even having the tournament?

Oooh, and, as this is a cricket thread, what do people think of Darrell Hair umpiring again?

McGrath predicted that Aus would win all of their matches. He was on the money with his Ashes prediction, can he do it again?

I think Aus will lose one or two matches (more likely against NZ than England), but win the series fairly comfortably. NZ will finish runners-up. The Poms are in real danger of going home without winning a single game, of any type whatsoever, on this tour.

I want whatever you're on! :p

Yes, public polls are good. That way we can mock whoever picks England. ;)

Picking the English thats just foolish.

I suspect that Kanabia is Nathan Bracken...

Naw, I think what will happen is:
Oz will beat England in every match.
The Kiwis will win one against Oz.
England will win one against the Kiwis due to the inevitable KBC - Kiwi Batting Collapse (TM).

Oz will clean up in the final.

Har!!! Doubters!!! Har!!!

Well Demented Hamsters is right though...

esp now that Vaughn has injured himself....

Damn :(

Har!!! Doubters!!! Har!!!

Well Demented Hamsters is right though...

esp now that Vaughn has injured himself....

Damn :(
It was close. I don't really count it as an England win - it was a New Zealand loss. As Demented Hamsters said, New Zealand's will to lose was greater than ours.

It was close. I don't really count it as an England win - it was a New Zealand loss. As Demented Hamsters said, New Zealand's will to lose was greater than ours.

LOL!

Do you work for Blair? ;)

Although I do agree that the Kiwi's lost it rather than England dominating and winning...a win is still a win.

I only watched the final few England runs, but by god we looked awful. How did we win?

I only watched the final few England runs, but by god we looked awful. How did we win?

NZ chucked the game?

NZ chucked the game?

Bloody nice of them really.....;)

Bloody nice of them really.....;)

I'm not complaining! LOL

Vaughan is out again, so flintoff is back as skipper. Thats no vaughan and no pieterson.

Vaughan is out again, so flintoff is back as skipper. Thats no vaughan and no pieterson.
Worse for us is Bond is possibly out injured again. That's why he didn't finish his spell against England.
Man...it's so frustrating (for us and him!). Without his injuries he could well have become one of the best fast bowlers ever.

Who's this Mal Loye joker? He's actually standing up to the aussies. Who the hell sweeps Brett Lee?

3/70. A good start wasted?

4/70.

*edit*

5/71.

5 top order wickets for 19 runs. This is New Zealand-esq from England.

Yes, England once again getting demolished and completely demoralised... :D

6/93... :d

Make that 7/118. Flintoff's gone and so has any chance of getting to 200.

I reckon all out by 160.

Edit: y'know, my first thought was 150 a.o but I added ten just to be nice to the poms. At 141/8, looks like my initial gut feeling was the better one.

9/148, England should at least make it to 150. Looks like it will be an early night though.

May as well start making bets as to what over the Aussies will win it by.
hmmm....hard to say. Such a low total, there'll be no pressure. This means a leisurely stroll to the winning runs - say 40th over (3.9 runs/over).
Yet the Aussies natural inclination is to go for it regardless, which means a gallop to the post - maybe 29th over (5.5 runs/over).

I'm going to be a wimp here any punt for half-way:
Aussies to win in the 35th (4.5 runs/over), for the loss of 2. 3 if someone does something dumb and causes a runout.


Edit: all out for 155. 1/2 way between my inital gut feeling and second thought. Am I good or what? :D

England all out for 155. They lost 10 wickets for 103 runs. Sad really.

I'm going to go for Australia to lose 3 wickets & win in the 38th over.

I'll be bold and say 2 wickets after 32 overs.

How pessimistic can one get?
Aussie only just started batting, and already on the BBC news site, their link says:

SPORT HEADLINES

Cricket: Aussies beat England
Sad day when even your own country's media gives up on you 1/2 way through.

Edit: I see they've changed it to "Live: Australia vs England"
Guess they realised that they should showed a little bit of optimism.

Because someone has to be retarded:


Australia all out for 146.
Why not make it an even 100?

Hey, you!
Yes you!
I'm talking to you below me!
make it 100 a.o, ok?

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Because someone has to be retarded:


Australia all out for 146.

pfft, nah, Aussie aren't THAT crap :p
As long as I'm hanging about above you, you listen to what I say, Monkeyman.

change it, or I'm dropping an insane hamster on your head. Insane, and incontinent.

Don't think you can hide from me by sneaking over to the other page now.

Why not make it an even 100?

Hey, you!
Yes you!
I'm talking to you below me!
make it 100 a.o, ok?

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pfft, nah, Aussie aren't THAT crap :p

Aus 3/35 from 11 overs, England are showing a bit of fight! :eek:

Brad Hodge got a duck. :(

Fuck...

Aus 3/35 from 11 overs, England are showing a bit of fight! :eek:

Brad Hodge got a duck. :(

And there goes symonds...

I stand by my prediction :)


Unless they're all out for 100, then I'll stop ignoring the posts above and edit..

109/6!


England's problem I can see is deciding when to bring in their 5th bowler.... Unless they think that the result is forthcoming before the 40th over.

Who's this Mal Loye joker? He's actually standing up to the aussies. Who the hell sweeps Brett Lee?
I don't know but Nante Hayward got on one knee and drove him for 4.
Nante was so dreamy he was going to be the new Alan Donald except he wasn't Black so South Africa couldn't pick him anymore.:( *
Ntini is better but Telemachus wasn't now they have other jokers in their team, silly clutchies.
Worse for us is Bond is possibly out injured again. That's why he didn't finish his spell against England.
Man...it's so frustrating (for us and him!). Without his injuries he could well have become one of the best fast bowlers ever.
He already is one of the greats in my eyes.

What is it with New Zealands bowlers these days Willie Watson and Chris Pringle never got injured...

As long as I'm hanging about above you, you listen to what I say, Monkeyman.

change it, or I'm dropping an insane hamster on your head. Insane, and incontinent.

Don't think you can hide from me by sneaking over to the other page now.
Forum score up?
How pessimistic can one get?
Aussie only just started batting, and already on the BBC news site, their link says:


Sad day when even your own country's media gives up on you 1/2 way through.

Edit: I see they've changed it to "Live: Australia vs England"
Guess they realised that they should showed a little bit of optimism.
Lulz

That was a scary 38 overs.

He already is one of the greats in my eyes.

What is it with New Zealands bowlers these days Willie Watson and Chris Pringle never got injured...
But Watson and Pringlechips were never really fast enough to be considered true fast bowlers. More fast-medium.
Pringle became a medium once he packed on the pounds too, iirc.

Bond has a weird bowling action as well. He overextends his back too much to get the speed, which is why he has had so many stress fractures and back problems.

Without that, I think he could easily have eclipsed Hadlees record. With him and Vettori bowling in tandem, NZ bowling attack would definitely had been a fearsome beast for a few years.

As I said, a real shame for both him and us couch potatos.

4/53. I predict NZ making 173.

4/53. I predict NZ making 173.
Very optimistic of you.

Very optimistic of you.

I guess I'm just an optimistic kinda guy. :P

5/126 after 34. Assuming they don't go and have another collapse, they could even make 200+.

*edit*

And the first ball after my post McGrath gets McCullum LBW.

Thanks to some fine batting from McMillian (89 off 87 - shame he didn't get a tonne) and Franklin (18 from 18) NZ have posted, while not a decent score, at least a not-too-embarassing score.
218 a.o

Let's hope Oz batting does a collapse like Friday.

*Sticks Fist down Oz's throat*
*Starts Pounding away*
17/3

Well, at least we made them fight for it.
An extra 20 runs and if Bond had been fit, it may well have been a different story.

Well, at least we made them fight for it.
An extra 20 runs and if Bond had been fit, it may well have been a different story.
20 more runs and taking chances in the field would have been enough.

20 more runs and taking chances in the field would have been enough.
I only caught the end of the Oz innings. What happened? Were NZ (uncharacteristically) lousy in the field?

I only caught the end of the Oz innings. What happened? Were NZ (uncharacteristically) lousy in the field?
Franko dropped a catch, Either Hussey or Clarke managed to almost run the other one out but Vettori and Marshall conspired to balls up the run out, Marshall fumbled the ball with both batsmen at the same end(it was Hussey who scrambled back), the underarm throw was wide Vettori was crouching off balance, got the ball appeared to hit the stumps with the ball but not dislodge the bails lost the ball from his grasp, then the force of his wrist broke the stumps...

Vettori was unlucky to misfield on the boundary turning a 3 into a 4.

McCullum had a tough chance up at the stumps where he dropped the ball.

The whole thing was a comedy of errors and we were still in the game.

McMillian was unlucky with the bat, but he also got a second life.

The pitch may have been a jack up with that grassy depression perfect for McGrath...
http://209.85.12.227/1381/85/emo/beater.gif

The pitch may have been a jack up with that grassy depression perfect for McGrath...[/IMG]
I just read the cricinfo report. The dropped catch sounds bad enough (but such things happen, and it was mitigated with McMillan not being given out) but the run-out balls-up is unforgiveable. Even a primary school team wouldn't screw up that badly.

As for the grassy depression - all's fair I guess. Seems pretty much every groundskeeper in the world, bar New Zealand's, doctor their pitches to suit their sides bowlers. Why they can't do the same here to help Vettori is beyond me.

That was a good match last night. If NZ had held that catch from Clarke and/or run out Hussey, I think they would have won.

NZ 5/68 after 24. :(

Why the fuck can't we bat? Our bowling attack looks very good today, but they're not going to have enough runs to bowl at.

I wouldn't say they look afraid, i would say they look cautious as if there was something to be afraid, personally i think they've lost confidence in themselves...

Why doesn't NZ just stop this charade of having a top order specialist batsmen?
Save time and just start the kiwis on 50/4 and give the tail-enders 25 overs to bat with and get a decent score from.


interesting stat from cricinfo commentary team: 226 is the average score on this ground. So anything over 200 isn't that bad a total and could well be defendable.
So says the hopeless optimist in me. But then, us kiwi cricket team supporters have to be hopeless optimists don't we?

Well, thanks chiefly to Oram, with 86 off 89, the Kiwi's have half-a-chance.
210 a.o
not bad considering the appalling start.
yet again, we're looking at a game where another 20 runs would be perfect.
In 50 overs, NZ hit 11 fours (Oram hit 6 of them) and 5 sixes (Oram: 2). You can't post a good score hitting just 16 boundaries off 308 balls (includes 6wd, 2nb). 1 boundary every 20 deliveries. That's simply shite batting.


Andre Adams is on his way home. Anyone know why that is?
NZ have been shocking in one-dayers lately and I understand there's quite a bit of friction between coach and senior players. Adam's exit not got anything to do with that, is there?

I haven't heard of any injury, or anything of that nature.

Loye out for 8, caught Fleming, bowled Franklin. England are 1/21.

210 is definitely a defendable target if NZ bowl & field well.

Loye out for 8, caught Fleming, bowled Franklin. England are 1/21.

210 is definitely a defendable target if NZ bowl & field well.
Not if they have to get every pommy batsman out twice!
Loye was gone the previous Franklin over.

Not if they have to get every pommy batsman out twice!
Loye was gone the previous Franklin over.

Franklin's on fire, he's got 3for now!

Wow, the one I was worried about the most is bowling really well. Gillespie, Oram, Franklin, Bond, Vettori with 10 overs each. They'll be tough to get 220 out of.

There goes Flintoff and probably England's chance of winning as well.

England now 6/107 in the 34th over. Joyce will have to be the saviour if England are to have any hope of winning.

Now 7/107. Joyce is out & England are completely buggered.

Make that 8/107. Dalrymple is out too.

England all out for 120. Very good effort by the Kiwis, pathetic effort by England.

Yay!

Andre Adams is on his way home. Anyone know why that is?
NZ have been shocking in one-dayers lately and I understand there's quite a bit of friction between coach and senior players. Adam's exit not got anything to do with that, is there?

I found this short article about it.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/cbs/content/story/277325.html

Well, thanks chiefly to Oram, with 86 off 89, the Kiwi's have half-a-chance.
210 a.o
not bad considering the appalling start.
yet again, we're looking at a game where another 20 runs would be perfect.
In 50 overs, NZ hit 11 fours (Oram hit 6 of them) and 5 sixes (Oram: 2). You can't post a good score hitting just 16 boundaries off 308 balls (includes 6wd, 2nb). 1 boundary every 20 deliveries. That's simply shite batting.


Andre Adams is on his way home. Anyone know why that is?
NZ have been shocking in one-dayers lately and I understand there's quite a bit of friction between coach and senior players. Adam's exit not got anything to do with that, is there?
Andre Adams was sent home because he is shit.-_-*
Jacob Oram effectivly took his place in the team.
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Well well welll, New Zealand win...
EDIT:
What the hell is wrong with the Music in Adelaide?
I heard the same song 5 times, and it was from 10 years ago!

I hate time zones!!!

Its like a time warp...I don't actually get to see the highlights of the game you watched until tonight...

So Flinters panned it then? I really feel he is not able to bat and captain at the same time....someone earlier mentioned Strauss...

Well done NZ...although it seems it was like shooting fish in a barrel...

Vettori > Panesar

I hate time zones!!!

Its like a time warp...I don't actually get to see the highlights of the game you watched until tonight...

So Flinters panned it then? I really feel he is not able to bat and captain at the same time....someone earlier mentioned Strauss...

Well done NZ...although it seems it was like shooting fish in a barrel...
I noooes...
How do you think i felt about the Last World Cup and how i'll feel about the next one?
The Football World Cup?

Personally i'm more afraid of Collingwood than i am of Flintoff because Collingwood chips away, Flintoff is too risky.
Of course Collingwood was playing like crap but i was confident that we had it won when he got out.

I noooes...
How do you think i felt about the Last World Cup and how i'll feel about the next one?
The Football World Cup?

Personally i'm more afraid of Collingwood than i am of Flintoff because Collingwood chips away, Flintoff is too risky.
Of course Collingwood was playing like crap but i was confident that we had it won when he got out.

Yeah...I remember the nightmare that was World Cup '94 in the US...not much fun the following morning LOL

Well the problem is (as far as I can tell...and I'm not an expert...just a follower) is that when Flinters is Captain he does not bat well. Seems that a lot of English captains who are good with the bat fall to pieces when made captain...the exception at the moment is Vaughn...but he's out injured.

Collingwood...yeah..he's good and I reckon if he was captain the same thing would happen...that the guy would fall to bits as well...

*sigh*

Something rotten in the state of the NZ cricket:
Nathan Astle has rocked his New Zealand cricket teammates, calling time on his glittering 12-season international career here today.

The veteran allrounder, 35, announced his retirement from international cricket at a press conference at the team's Perth hotel today, seated alongside captain Stephen Fleming and coach John Bracewell.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10421008

Helluva strange time to do it: 1/2 way through a one-day tri-series and 2 days before they meet up against Oz.

What with Adams being sent home (why bring him over if they were never going to play him, have him sit round for a couple of weeks and then send him home saying he needs the practise?) and now this, I'd say the rumours that all is not well within the Kiwi camp is looking highly plausible.

Shame, cause Astle is a definite match-winner when he's on-form.

How long until Bracewell's gone? (something long-overdue, imo)

"I have been fighting this day for about eight months," Astle said. "I so desperately wanted to go to my fourth World Cup, but deep down inside I knew that I was lacking motivation and the enjoyment levels were just not there.

"Probably the first indications were last year when I was having a good run and not really enjoying the success that I was having. But because I wanted to go to the World Cup I probably fudged over these feelings, which was fine until about a month ago when it really started to hit home that this was no longer the place for me. Enjoyment has always been a huge factor for why I play the game and when that faltered I knew it was time to move on.

"Once I had made the decision that I would not be going to the World Cup, for the sake of the team, I needed to go as soon as possible to make way for another player. I don't believe it would have been fair on my team mates to hold on."

That's what he said.


He leaves 9th on the alltime ODI centuries list and with easily the fastest double century all time in tests.

I get home from a trip into town and......... England have fallen over again. 5/83 currently.

Something rotten in the state of the NZ cricket:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10421008

Helluva strange time to do it: 1/2 way through a one-day tri-series and 2 days before they meet up against Oz.

What with Adams being sent home (why bring him over if they were never going to play him, have him sit round for a couple of weeks and then send him home saying he needs the practise?) and now this, I'd say the rumours that all is not well within the Kiwi camp is looking highly plausible.

Shame, cause Astle is a definite match-winner when he's on-form.

How long until Bracewell's gone? (something long-overdue, imo)
Sadly Nastle has been shit for about 3 years and Andre Adams is the best Fried Chicken eater...

Unlike Chirs Cairns retirement Nathan Astles will hardly hurt the team because he wasn't performing.

Absolute proof that England truly are shit, all out for 110. :rolleyes:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g66/Boonytopia/DSC02957.jpg

The rolled by Australia, 1/111 from 24 overs.



It's a shame about Astle, on his day he was awesome to watch. I admire his honesty though. I think he did the right thing by retiring now & letting the selectors try to find someone else, rather than hanging on. It would have been even better if he'd done it before the series started.

*ugh*

That was ugly.

Absolute proof that England truly are shit, all out for 110. :rolleyes:
Give them some credit - it was only their 9th worst OD score. So they have done worse in the past!


scary - we've got the same TV!

*ugh*

That was ugly.

Apparrently the crowd at Adelaide booed when they heard that Flintoff had won the toss & chosen to bat. They must have had a premonition about what would happen. :p

Give them some credit - it was only their 9th worst OD score. So they have done worse in the past!


scary - we've got the same TV!

:) Do you have the Boony god protecting it though?

:) Do you have the Boony god protecting it though?
No, but I do have a wombat toy sitting on top and that's almost as hairy.

No, but I do have a wombat toy sitting on top and that's almost as hairy.

I'll bet your wombat doesn't talk though.

Give them some credit - it was only their 9th worst OD score. So they have done worse in the past!


scary - we've got the same TV!
No, thats your TV he is just misusining it...
Absolute proof that England truly are shit, all out for 110. :rolleyes:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g66/Boonytopia/DSC02957.jpg

The rolled by Australia, 1/111 from 24 overs.



It's a shame about Astle, on his day he was awesome to watch. I admire his honesty though. I think he did the right thing by retiring now & letting the selectors try to find someone else, rather than hanging on. It would have been even better if he'd done it before the series started.
It's probably better they didn't have the oppurtunity to pick a young player earlier, i fear they would be destroyed by the presure...
Vincents on the way over i believe, Jesse Ryder had a go at Mathew Sinclair in a 20/20 match on Friday.
Sinclair got out for 1 and Ryder sledged him saying that is why 'Vincent' is going to OZ, obviously Sinclair wasn't too happy and when Ryder got out Sinclair gave him some back.:D

Apparrently the crowd at Adelaide booed when they heard that Flintoff had won the toss & chosen to bat. They must have had a premonition about what would happen. :p

I's surprised there was a crowd what with it being Aussie Day...oh wait :headbang:

I's surprised there was a crowd what with it being Aussie Day...oh wait :headbang:

It was a full house. What more appropriate thing to do on Australia Day, than watch us beat the Poms. :p

It would be much more enjoyable if they put up some sort of fight though.

Lou Vincent in the team for New Zealand.


It'll either be a score of 1-5 or a score of 70+ in quick time if he plays his natural game. He biffed a 130 in a domestic game last week, so he has some form.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVL4210_FsY <--- Astles 222 highlights. The first few minutes is just the typical boundry highlights of any innings, but after about th 3.40 mark where he gets his hundred it gets better. It just has the shots though, not all the fun waiting around while they found a new ball that was "3.4 overs old and had been smashed to every corner of the ground"

I haven't heard anything of Vincent for a while, when was the last time he played for NZ?

Australia batting first, 0/0 in the 2nd over, Vettori has just dropped Hayden.

Aus made 5/343. Ponting & Hayden both scored centuries, after Hayden was dropped on 0! Tough chase for the Kiwis.

Bloody Paki's!
Shit with eyesight like that you'd expect he'd be Chinese!

To be fair it'd be hard to se contact with glove or bat from that angle and that speed but still, NZ needs all the help we can get...

Oram's making a game of it..

Oram's making a game of it..
That he is. I don't doubt Oz will win, but at least it won't be a miserable capitulation like England.
Vincent did well, all things considered.

I believe i mentioned Vincent as a somewhat of a surprise ommision.

But alas the Groundskeeper has conspired against us, Australia is bound to win on the Dickwank Loser system as NZ is currently 24 truns behined where we need to be.

It was a full house. What more appropriate thing to do on Australia Day, than watch us beat the Poms. :p

It would be much more enjoyable if they put up some sort of fight though.

You see thats the thing...what greater motivation could there have been for the England squad but to beat the Aussies on their national day?? I mean its a no brainer isn't it?

Did you read Fletchers mealy mouthed 'apology'? Nearly made me want to vomit.

God, I hate the rain!

Looks like they might start again though.

NZ need 52 off 22, and still have five wickets left. Vettori can smash them when he wants too. Good stuff...

Damn, but we came close!
Awesome game.
great knock from Oram, 101 from 72. One could almost argue that Vincent lost it for NZ, with his paltry 66 off 82 balls. 80% strikerate just not good enough!

Now why can't NZ bat like that more regularly?

Well, New Zealand droped a few catches and made it tough for themselves, but they really gave it go with that chase. Too bad about the Vincent decision.

That was worth staying up for, i think i might have a nap at work later today.
We ballsed up badly with the dropped catches when Oz was batting, they were kind enough to return the favour for us however our mistakes made the game what it was.
Imagine if Oz had been 0/1 after 2 overs?

Just for the trivia fact nerds among us:
According to cricinfo, Oram's hundred off 71 balls is the fastest by a New Zealand player.

Just for the trivia fact nerds among us:
According to cricinfo, Oram's hundred off 71 balls is the fastest by a New Zealand player.

Yeah, Cairns and MacMillan both had 75 ballers, Oram's was in 71.

Now why can't NZ bat like that more regularly?

Oh the irony! :mad: LOL!

Great innings by Oram, that was a really exciting chase to watch. At the start of the innings I didn't really think NZ had much of a chance, but when Oram was on fire, he looked like he was going to reel it in with ease.

It made me pretty tired at work today though, because the game was in Perth, it was well past midnight in Melbourne by the time it finished.

Great innings by Oram, that was a really exciting chase to watch. At the start of the innings I didn't really think NZ had much of a chance, but when Oram was on fire, he looked like he was going to reel it in with ease.

It made me pretty tired at work today though, because the game was in Perth, it was well past midnight in Melbourne by the time it finished.
After 30 overs of the Oz innings we were aying $11 to win, i don't know what the return was at the end of the 50 overs.
But damn, it would have been good money.

NZ 7/318 from their 50 overs, against England. Vincent & Oram have really reinforced the Kiwi batting order.

NZ 7/318 from their 50 overs, against England. Vincent & Oram have really reinforced the Kiwi batting order.

If there where such things as handicaps in criggit we'd need like 2 extra innings...

:mad:

What's with NZ fielding recently?
That's two matches where they've been shite. Admittedly there wasn't need to be good here, but it's still a worry.
Hope Orams ok. We need him!

NZ 7/318 from their 50 overs, against England. Vincent & Oram have really reinforced the Kiwi batting order.
Just wait til Styris gets back.*Flaming smilie*

NZ 7/318 from their 50 overs, against England. Vincent & Oram have really reinforced the Kiwi batting order.


Vincent
Fleming
Fulton
Taylor
Styris
Oram
McCullum
Vettori
Mills
Gillespie/Patel (depending on the turn)
Bond


Full strength, that's really not a bad team.


In other action:


Sachin Tendulkar's 41st ODI hundred spurred India to 341, a total that proved too much for West Indies at Vadodara


When the hell did this guy get back? And he's STILL scoring hundreds? Bloody hell..

WTF?
England 292/7 off 50.
Oz down to 4/2 off 2.

Have I been sucked into an alternate universe where the normal laws of nature (i.e England cricket team is shite) don't apply?
Or did the two teams decide to swap uniforms for the day?
Or are Oz throwing this (a possibility given that Ponting and Lee aren't playing today) just so they can face (and thrash) England in the finals?


Looking fwd to the inevitable chorus of blind optimism from the poms that this one result (after how many months of playing like crap?) proves they've turned the corner and everything's coming right.

Australia 5/157 (effectively 6/157 because Symonds has retired hurt) in the 30th over. England are on track to beat Australia for the first time on this tour! :eek:

It's a sign, the end of the world is nigh! :eek:

Oh, they f**king threw that. I don't believe for a moment that Australia were trying to win that game. Adam Gilchrist is being way too upbeat in the presentation.

They left Ponting out so that he wouldn't have to take a loss, and then they deliberately conceded a bonus point to reduce NZ's chances of making the final. Nothing against England, but they didn't win that game without Australia's help.

Oh, they f**king threw that. I don't believe for a moment that Australia were trying to win that game. Adam Gilchrist is being way too upbeat in the presentation.
I concur. Oz bowled 19 wides in that game.
19!
That's almost twice as much as the number of wides Oz bowled in their previous THREE OD games against England.

And then there's the dropped catches...

I concur. Oz bowled 19 wides in that game.
Though they did have Shaun Tait, who is not exactly a shining example of accuracy.

England definitely beat an Australian B-Team, but I don't think they lost deliberately. Oz had a bit of a bad day, and England had a bit of a good day.

Now I actually hope for Australia to beat NZ on Sunday...does anyone know whether there'll be tickets sold at the gate at the Gabba on Tuesday? :)

ha! take that Aussies!

Congrats to England. Better late than never. So if they beat NZ will they make the final? Or do they need a bonus point from it as well?

Congrats to England. Better late than never. So if they beat NZ will they make the final? Or do they need a bonus point from it as well?

New Zealand and England have equal points, but New Zealand have 2 games left, England and Aus have one. I think NZs runrate is considerably better at the moment though, so a tie on points will see them go through.

ha! take that Aussies!

Say it with pride, you're finally able to. It's only taken 3 or 4 months. ;)

I'm deeply disappointed that Brad Hodge failed again. He's making mountains of runs at domestic level, but he's not making the most of his (very) limited international opportunities.

Fulton and Vincent are doing alright.:)

Haha damn how close was Hodge to a 100? Great chase and win.

Say it with pride, you're finally able to. It's only taken 3 or 4 months. ;)

Yeah...against a 2nd string team...*ugh*

Haha damn how close was Hodge to a 100? Great chase and win.

Fantastic chase, I was desparately hoping Hodgey would get a ton. I reckon the selectors will have to pick him in the World Cup squad now.

My money's on NZ to make the finals. After a bit of a sluggish beginning, they're in pretty strong form now.

Bloody hell, NZ are 6/224 in the 45th over, chasing 271. England winning? That's unpossible! :eek:

Well, f**k.

wow, England CAN actually play cricket.


Positive NZ spin: This might actually be better for the kiwis to have a week off before the Chappell-Hadlee series where they have to play the Aussies three times anyway. Over saturation against the same opposition isn't all that useful, so this could be a blessing in disguise for the NZers. Well, except for the shitty form.

I'm amazed, I thought NZ would win fairly comfortably.

Ha!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/vonbek/bananadancefast.gif

That's one happy Banana!

Seriously though, for us neutrals this could either be really good or really bad.

Really good if England actually wins a few games from now on and gets a bit of revenge for the gang rape they've suffered this summer.

Really bad if the gang rape continues.

That's one happy Banana!

Seriously though, for us neutrals this could either be really good or really bad.

Really good if England actually wins a few games from now on and gets a bit of revenge for the gang rape they've suffered this summer.

Really bad if the gang rape continues.

LOL yeah...I feel guilty about post the little guy...

I'm watching the highlights right now...NZ really buggered some easy catches...

I am one sad Panda, when Fulton and Flemming were batting i was thinking oh crap this is going to be bad.

I don't know how many times Fulton and Flemming have batted together but Fulton looked restrained he mostly has been in at the same time as Vincent, things were aimless for a long while and it never really got better.

There has been some criticism over how many balls Flemming used to get 100, i don't give no credance to that 100 is a 100 is a 100 but for a period there was a rut that cost us.

New Zealand also bowled too short and didn't probe the stumps, even for that GABBA pitch.

Yeah I watched the NZ batting...but you gotta admit there were some corking balls bowled by England...

So...to all you naysayers about England being totally and utterly uselsss *including me!* :p

Yeah I watched the NZ batting...but you gotta admit there were some corking balls bowled by England...

So...to all you naysayers about England being totally and utterly uselsss *including me!* :p

They are totally and utterly useless only relative to a useful team. :P

They are totally and utterly useless only relative to a useful team. :P

I'm staying out of this one! LOL

Yeah I watched the NZ batting...but you gotta admit there were some corking balls bowled by England...
Maybe, but if we bowl the same against Australia, we're going to suffer. PlonkIt bowled five wides in the first over alone. Mind you - we've beaten them once, we can do it again!

Maybe, but if we bowl the same against Australia, we're going to suffer. PlonkIt bowled five wides in the first over alone. Mind you - we've beaten them once, we can do it again!

Sadly that victory was against a B team...Vaughn does not seem to be in his stride yet either...

*sigh*

Sadly that victory was against a B team...Vaughn does not seem to be in his stride yet either...

*sigh*
I know, but look on the positive side - we beat them!

As for Vaughan not being at his best, at least with him back we're better tactically in the field. I'd say if we can post a big total (>280) we've got a half-decent chance of beating the Aussies. Of course, we have to get over 280 first.

I know, but look on the positive side - we beat them!

As for Vaughan not being at his best, at least with him back we're better tactically in the field. I'd say if we can post a big total (>280) we've got a half-decent chance of beating the Aussies. Of course, we have to get over 280 first.

The only positive is that Warne is retired.

I really don't see us doing that...but then I have been wrong before...and it would be sweet...considering whats been said at the beginning of this thread and the Ashes thread LOL

Australia all out for 252. Bit of a shame, I was hoping for 280 at least. Should be good chase, since it is at least gettable.

In reply, England are 3/89 after 21 overs. If this pair can put together a 100-150 run partnership, then England have a real chance. If they lose one, or two more wickets, I think it'll be pretty much game over for them.



Collingwood just hit McGrath for six!

Australia all out for 252. Bit of a shame, I was hoping for 280 at least. Should be good chase, since it is at least gettable.

Awful decision against Brad Hodge, bit of a shame that.

This is a really good game..





I hate you all.

Wahey! England win! By four wickets, with 3 balls to spare. Part of me wishes I'd been watching it, the other part is quite happy I was in bed for the vast majority of it.

England batted very well. Why have they waited until now to decide they're serious about playing though?

ENGLAND INNINGS

50th over: England 253-6
The Aussies keeping England waiting, bit of mind games from Punter. Nixon clips Bracken to backward-square and he scampers two. Two needed from five. Nixon digs out a blockhole ball and gets one for it. One needed. Colly hits the winning runs, a clip to mid-wicket and England have only gone and ruddy won! All rise for the Ginger, Mackem Nugget! Give that man a knighthood.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/vonbek/rourke.gif

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/6341721.stm

Although I can only see the highlights...what a blinding match!

England look very confident...

Oh where are our New Zealanders? Helloooooooo!!

LOL

Anyway...after watching the highlights and a nights kip I still feel a bit more confidant that previous weeks.

Collingwood was awesome. Monty is a class act...as a bowler and a comic fielder!

The next game will be interesting. I reckon the Aussies will be hard as nails.

I've still got reservations about Mahmood (namely an inability to bowl with any accuracy or consistency), and Nixon needs to be replaced by Prior ASAP, however, if Broad replaces Mahmood, we should be able to look respectable when Australia destry us tonight.

I've still got reservations about Mahmood (namely an inability to bowl with any accuracy or consistency), and Nixon needs to be replaced by Prior ASAP, however, if Broad replaces Mahmood, we should be able to look respectable when Australia destry us tonight.

Yeah...some of his bowling seemed to be...hectic.

He also bowled a couple of blinders (but nothing like that yorker the Aussies bowled)....that the problem with highlights...don't get to see much of the bad stuff.

Anyway....its gonna be inneresting...

England are 4/137 after 29 overs, Flintoff & Collingwood batting. There have been two rain interruptions at the SCG, with more forecast. It looks like it will be a shortened match, at best.

Isn't it obvious? Australia of course!

But then again...we have been faltering as of late...but I reckon we'll win.

England 8/246 from their 50 overs. Not a bad score, but they were heading for a higher one when Flintoff & Collingwood were in. England fell away towards the end & didn't score a boundary in the last 7 overs.

Ffs...

COME ON THE LADS!!!!

Oh this could be sweet :D

what the hell?
Oz 79/5 ?!

Where has this England team been hiding the past few months?

Oz are royally screwed, thanx to the Loser-Dickworthless system
From needing 247 off 50, then 227 off 41, they're now down to 211 off 33.
132 runs from 16.4 overs - just under 8/over with 5 wickets in hand.

Someone pls explain to me how they can lose 17 overs due to rain, yet have only 36 runs subtracted from the required winning total?

Oz are royally screwed, thanx to the Loser-Dickworthless system
From needing 247 off 50, then 227 off 41, they're now down to 211 off 33.
132 runs from 16.4 overs - just under 8/over with 5 wickets in hand.

Someone pls explain to me how they can lose 17 overs due to rain, yet have only 36 runs subtracted from the required winning total?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/3155478.stm

England get the 20th over so game on....

Pffft, why are the 2 games on sky NZ Pakistan sucking against South Africa and Australia sucking against England? The India - Sri Lanka game looks much more exciting.

Sri Lanka 257/8 (50 ov)
India 236/6 (46.0 ov)
India require another 22 runs with 4 wickets and 24 balls remaining

:eek:

Hang on, weren't some aussies complaining that they should bring back the Australia 'A' side so that they could get some competition? What was the Aussie coach saying about Australia never being put under preasure?

72 off 45 with 2 wickets in hand.

bwwwaaahahaha

I like this. Aussies are on the back foot..the ground is emptying of Aussies....and the excuses start.... :rolleyes:

rain stops play again, and that looks like it. Oz need to be on 187 at this point to win and they ain't.
Who would have thought Oz would have been hammered like this?

Sri Lanka won in a tight contest. Gave away just 18 runs from the last 5 overs. Wish NZ had bowlers that good at the death.

bwwwaaahahaha

I like this. Aussies are on the back foot..the ground is emptying of Aussies....and the excuses start.... :rolleyes:

Excuses by who? Usually the team just says "Yeah, we played shit and need to play better."

Hang on, weren't some aussies complaining that they should bring back the Australia 'A' side so that they could get some competition? What was the Aussie coach saying about Australia never being put under preasure?

72 off 45 with 2 wickets in hand.

Australia are like any team you put them under pressure and they will crack.

It was shown in the ashes of 2005, england went after them australia were e WTF? and england got the better of them.

Australia may be the best side in the world but they are still human.

It's official. England win by 34 runs!

Wo0T! :D

:)

So....England were not even going to make it into the final ;)

What a shame that it took them this long to get a line-up and in form. At least they will have some confidence for the WC now.

Excuses by who? Usually the team just says "Yeah, we played shit and need to play better."

'B' team....

They play each other four times before the finals? Eh?

Well, here's my predictions:

All the Australia vs England matches will be won by Australia. All the Australia vs New Zealand matches will be won by Australia. All the England vs New Zealand matches will be won by New Zealand.
It would appear I was wrong.

Not that I care! :)

Yay!

Flintoff's a legend. And with Plunkett replacing Harmison, and Simon Jones back, the next Ashes could be another monumental contest.

'B' team....

Huh?

Huh?

That or the weather...I am sure it'll start ;)

You are right though...it is shame it took this long...but it does bode well for the WC....

I can't wait to see the highlights tonight...

And from cape town:

Pakistan 107 (45.4 ov)
South Africa 113/0 (13.6 ov)
Match over

South Africa RR 8.07
Last 5 ovs 56/0 RR 11.20
Pakistan RR (2.34) 2.14




THAT's how you win an ODI :p

And from cape town:

Pakistan 107 (45.4 ov)
South Africa 113/0 (13.6 ov)
Match over

South Africa RR 8.07
Last 5 ovs 56/0 RR 11.20
Pakistan RR (2.34) 2.14

THAT's how you win an ODI :p

:eek:

pwnd!

Winnar! :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/6351685.stm

Australia captain Ricky Ponting paid tribute to the resolve of the England team after their shock CB Series win.

"They had their backs to the wall but can go home with a big smile on their faces for some terrific one-day cricket in the last couple of weeks," he said.

"They should all be very proud of the way they have been able to turn things around so congratulations to England.

"We've let everybody down in the last couple of games, we've got work to do but we look forward to the World Cup."

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Ponting....class act

Hang on, weren't some aussies complaining that they should bring back the Australia 'A' side so that they could get some competition? What was the Aussie coach saying about Australia never being put under preasure?

72 off 45 with 2 wickets in hand.
Well it would Oz playing Gimp players as often a they do.

Also i hate the guy but bring back Brad Hogg.
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Commonwealth Tri-series one bug bluff?
Did both Australia and New Zealand play the wounded Duck card, so they'll both look fantastic at the World Cup?
Also to make England look good and have unfounded confidence?

Or were the Poms prepared to throw away the Ashes only to show fantastic form in the ODI's and will blitz everyone in the World Cup.

hmmmmmmm
Congratulations England

Well it would Oz playing Gimp players as often a they do.

Also i hate the guy but bring back Brad Hogg.

He played in both of the finals.

Commonwealth Tri-series one bug bluff?
Did both Australia and New Zealand play the wounded Duck card, so they'll both look fantastic at the World Cup?
Also to make England look good and have unfounded confidence?

Or were the Poms prepared to throw away the Ashes only to show fantastic form in the ODI's and will blitz everyone in the World Cup.

hmmmmmmm
Congratulations England

I don't think so, any team the Ricky Ponting leads will always be trying to win. Australia played pretty poorly in the finals, particularly the batsmen, and England played very well. The loss of Symonds is a bigger blow than first realised.

I'm still very iffy about predicting much success for England at the World Cup, but players like Joyce, Bell, Plunkett, Nixon & Panesar have really showed some spark. Established players like Collingwood & Flintoff have found form again. With Pietersen & Vaughan (I think he's definitely worth it because he's such an outstanding captain, even if his batting & fitness isn't up to scratch) to come back into the side, they've certainly got some hope in the WC. It's an incredible turn around since the debacles of 110 & 120 all out in Adelaide & Perth.

As you said Harles, congratulations England, they were the best side when it mattered.

Wow. I was at the game last night, and despite being too drunk during the first innings to be properly paying attention, we just creamed aussie good. It might have been the 'B' team or whatever, but Australia are in danger of losing their #1 world ranking spot now..

So you aussies don't care anymore? How about this?


ODI world rankings:

1 South Africa 128
2 Australia 126
3 Pakistan 111
4 New Zealand 111
5 India 109
6 Sri Lanka 108

Wow. I was at the game last night, and despite being too drunk during the first innings to be properly paying attention, we just creamed aussie good. It might have been the 'B' team or whatever, but Australia are in danger of losing their #1 world ranking spot now..
Yeah i was at the game too but i remember the first innings.

He played in both of the finals.
He did?
I lost interest after we humiliated ourselves against England, but the radio commentators i heard gave a different impression.
I don't think so, any team the Ricky Ponting leads will always be trying to win. Australia played pretty poorly in the finals, particularly the batsmen, and England played very well. The loss of Symonds is a bigger blow than first realised.

I'm still very iffy about predicting much success for England at the World Cup, but players like Joyce, Bell, Plunkett, Nixon & Panesar have really showed some spark. Established players like Collingwood & Flintoff have found form again. With Pietersen & Vaughan (I think he's definitely worth it because he's such an outstanding captain, even if his batting & fitness isn't up to scratch) to come back into the side, they've certainly got some hope in the WC. It's an incredible turn around since the debacles of 110 & 120 all out in Adelaide & Perth.

As you said Harles, congratulations England, they were the best side when it mattered.
England will be nothing at the World Cup, and the match before the finals was a real shocker, Hogg can bat and bowl, i don't care if he can't hit the ball like White, it is good he isn't going to the World Cup(right?) Auckland proved that.

Well, that last Hadlee- game was a cracker.
I'd given up several times - when OZ posted that horrendous score, when NZ were 41/4 and again at 117/5 and then totally given up when Tuffy got out, but somehow we managed to get through.
Awesome displays by McMillan and Hayden

Oz must be really hurting now. :p

Hail Mark Gillespie!

Bloody hell, what a comeback by NZ! :eek:

FFS. I know we will have a stronger team for the WC but my confidence in the Aussie team has dropped enormously, but I think they can still pull it off. I haven't seen much news lately- is Lee and/or Symonds gonna be fit?

FFS. I know we will have a stronger team for the WC but my confidence in the Aussie team has dropped enormously, but I think they can still pull it off. I haven't seen much news lately- is Lee and/or Symonds gonna be fit?

Lee probably, but no certainty. Symonds probably not, but he swears he's going to play anyway. Hayden's just broken his toe. Michael Clarke returned to Aus with (I think) a hip injury. Ponting has a persistant back problem. Gilchrist will miss the first few games of the WC due to his child being born. I think the side will be too unsettled, I'm really starting to doubt whether Aus can win it now.

Wow. (http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/nzvaus/content/current/story/281046.html)

Wow. (http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/nzvaus/content/current/story/281046.html)
*Was not aware of*
The only two players who have been a part of all four highest run-chases are Michael Hussey and Nathan Bracken, and neither has done a bad job in these games. Hussey has notched up scores of 88 not out, 81, 105 and 13 - 287 runs at 95.67 - while Bracken has taken 9 for 218 from 38.3 overs - an average of 24.22, and an economy rate of 5.66 runs per over.
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Matthew Hayden's unbeaten 181 has now become the highest ODI score in a losing cause, beating Robin Smith's unbeaten 167 against Australia in a Texaco Trophy match at Edgbaston in 1993. Hayden's score is also the third-highest by an opener who carried his bat* in an ODI - Gary Kirsten scored 188 not out against UAE in the 1996 World Cup, while Sachin Tendulkar made an undefeated 186 against New Zealand at Hyderabad in 1999-2000.
I'd heard carrying ones bat was only counted if the team was all out, interesting.
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This is also the first time since 1997 that Australia have been blanked 3-0 in a bilateral series. On that occasion, England had thrashed them by that margin in the Texaco Trophy series.
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Australia's defeat at Hamilton was their fifth in a row. The last time they suffered such a dismal run was nine years ago, when South Africa and England combined to beat them in five successive matches.
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You forgot this little gem from the cricinfo stats:
Australia's defeat in that game (in KL vs WI last year) coupled with their three losses here, means that Hussey has the unflattering record of having lost every ODI he has captained.
Can't really see Hussey being picked to lead again with this in mind.
Kinda hafta feel sorry for him.