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Do you have children? Are you a good parent?

Do you want children? Will you be a good parent?

I demand there to be a poll, with a joke option.

*cough*

No. No. Dunno. Perhaps.

I have no children. If I ever do I think I'll be a good parent, for about five years or so, then I'll get bored and sell them into white slavery.

I have no children. If I ever do I think I'll be a good parent, for about five years or so, then I'll get bored and sell them into white slavery.
Reckon you'd get a good price?

As for the OP - no, no, yes, I hope so.

Don't have children, but wouldn't mind sometime in the future. Adoption. I think I'd be an OK parent, but really have no idea.

you lot would want off earth if i had kid's

I demand there to be a poll, with a joke option.

Damn! Knew I forgot something.. :(

Reckon you'd get a good price?

As for the OP - no, no, yes, I hope so.

I've worked in sales before. I should be able to negotiate a good deal.

Do you have children? no
Are you a good parent? well, I haven't abused my child, nor did I let my child starve, or feel neglected... of course they don't exsist yet...
Do you want children? I really don't know...
Will you be a good parent?I don't know...

I don't want to have children. I like working with children, but I don't like any of the processes for getting children.

Damn! Knew I forgot something.. :(
....

How could you? That is so stupid, I might sig it.;)

I like children. En brochette, stewed, filleted and sauteed, stir-fried, I like children.

I think I'd make a good fun dad whether or not social services agrees with that is another matter entirely :p

I don't want to have children. I like working with children, but I don't like any of the processes for getting children.

Even adoption?

i definitely don't want children for a good few years yet. maybe by the time i'm 30 i'd deem myself mature enough to have kids. when this sort of topic has come up in conversations with friends the general consensus with regards to my potential parenting skills has been that i'd probably be fairly useless for the first year or so, at least in terms of practical parenting (changing nappies and stuff), and then once the kid had learned to control it's bowel movements and walk i'd probably be a pretty good parent.

I don't want children. I want clones.

I'd like to be a dad at some point. Certainly not right now, and maybe not in this country, where any attempt at discipline tends to be viewed as child abuse.

I have children, I seem to be doing okay, but I don't have much to compare to other than my parents who sucked, and most of the parents in my neighborhood who suck so their kids end up in my yard anyway....

I'd like to adopt one day. I just hope I don'y have to get married.

Damn! Knew I forgot something.. :(
not voting seeing that you forgot the joke option! :(

Do you want children?
No, because..
Will you be a good parent?

..no, I really don't think so.

That, and I just plain don't like 'em much.

Due to cancer, I'm unable to be a parent. I think I'm a better weird uncle anyway.

yes i am a mother. i have a 20 year old son who has survived to adulthood wihtout a criminal record or children of his own and with an ongoing college education.

i am a good parent within the limits of my natural unsuitedness to it.

Do you have children? Are you a good parent?

Do you want children? Will you be a good parent?

I definitely want children, and I think I'd be a good father. I'd hope I would be anyway.

...

Wait, what the hell? FASS wants children?! I...forgive me, but from his posts, I would have thought he'd hate the idea of having children.

Do you have children? Are you a good parent?

Do you want children? Will you be a good parent?

I figure I need at least one kid to avenge my death, so yes, I want children. Yes, I will be a good parent. I want to be, anyway. :D

Wait, what the hell? FASS wants children?! I...forgive me, but from his posts, I would have thought he'd hate the idea of having children.

I think he meant to say he wants children, pan-fried with a side of bacon. Or perhaps just some toast, I dunno if he likes bacon.

Even adoption?

That would be the best option, but I thought that it was really hard to adopt a child and that they usually don't let a lone person adopt. But I don't think I'd make a good parent anyway. I'm pretty good at tutoring young students, but I don't think I'd be good at parenting, especially not alone (and there is no other option for me but alone). So it probably would not be the best idea.

Let me put it this way...

...if my prospective partner doesn't want children, I am FINE with that.

...if she DOES want children, the SHE better be prepared to deal with my occasional bone-headed moments of utter stupidity in parenting.

I would't mind raising a kid(s), but I'm sure I'll be driving her as insane as the child(ren) will be...she has to know that going in. :p

Wait, what the hell? FASS wants children?! I...forgive me, but from his posts, I would have thought he'd hate the idea of having children.

You can't have been watching his posts very closely, then. In fact, you must have missed every single one that dealt with kids.

I don't have any children yet (well, at least none I know of) and I'm looking forward to be a good father.

You can't have been watching his posts very closely, then. In fact, you must have missed every single one that dealt with kids.

Well, I've hardly been stalking him from post to post, so I must have missed any post dealing with children.

Trostia: He's a vegetarian.

Trostia: He's a vegetarian.

Fine. Tofu-bacon then.

Kids don't count as meat do they? I mean it depends on how strict a vegetarian you are here. They're like dairy product.

I do not want children and I would be a terrible parent.




In other news, I'm posting from work. At 9pm on a Saturday. Please kill me now. :rolleyes:

I want kids some day. At least one son. And I've been told and agree that I'll be a good father.

Wait, what the hell? FASS wants children?! I...forgive me, but from his posts, I would have thought he'd hate the idea of having children.
Fass actually seems to be quite fond of the little ones, and pretty damn good with them. He'll be a a great dad some day.

In other news, I'm posting from work. At 9pm on a Saturday. Please kill me now. :rolleyes:

if i must

what would you like a long ,slow,painfull death or a fast one with no pain

Do you have children? Are you a good parent?

Do you want children? Will you be a good parent?

I have children. I'm a good parent. Don't listen to the neighbors. :)

Fass actually seems to be quite fond of the little ones, and pretty damn good with them. He'll be a a great dad some day.

Now that--the bit about being a great dad--I can definitely believe. I tell ya, whoever ends up being his kid will be a lucky kid.

I do not want children and I would be a terrible parent.
you would be like the cool aunt or godmother who all the kids talk to about their problems and vow to run away to live with. :p

Well, I've hardly been stalking him from post to post[..]

You're missing out. ;P


In other news, I'm posting from work. At 9pm on a Saturday. Please kill me now. :rolleyes:

*kills*

But hey, at least you actually do have work.

i don't want children. i'd like to do a lot of travelling and maybe, if possible, i'd also like to work for Doctors Without Borders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9decins_Sans_Fronti%C3%A8res) (or something similar) and i guess it's kind of hard to raise children with that kind of work.
also, kids are to much work and responsibility. i also don't want children unless i'm in a stable relationship, and it doesn't seem that is going to happen anytime soon.
but i'm 19 years old (in 3 weeks) so a lot of things can change. :)

In other news, I'm posting from work. At 9pm on a Saturday. Please kill me now. :rolleyes:
You shall experience

Death by fluffle!!

*Fluffles to death*

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Admittedly, death by Snoo-snoo would be preferable. >.<

My previous post notwithstanding, I do have two children (well, they're both in their thirties, so they don't qualify as children anymore). In spite of my basic ineptitude for parenting, they've turned out fairly well. They've served in the Navy, have no criminal records, are employed and/or in school, and are, for the most part decent human beings - sheer dumb luck given my complete lack of talent for parenting.

I want kids, I think I will be good at.

That would be the best option, but I thought that it was really hard to adopt a child and that they usually don't let a lone person adopt. But I don't think I'd make a good parent anyway. I'm pretty good at tutoring young students, but I don't think I'd be good at parenting, especially not alone (and there is no other option for me but alone). So it probably would not be the best idea.

Chandelier, you want to adopt, when the best part about having kids is MAKING them? :D

Anyway, I´m 23, andI wouldnt bother having a kid right now, but I would like one or two when I get older, and have the income to suport them.

I think I would be a great father, at least emotionaly. I really wont be able to buy him a ferrari.

Chandelier, you want to adopt, when the best part about having kids is MAKING them? :D
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why does that man have bunny ears?

I don't want to have children. I like working with children, but I don't like any of the processes for getting children.

What are you kidding? The process of getting them rocks, it's the whole incubating, birthing, raising part that sucks...

I liked being a children's entertainer, but I don't want to be a child's guardian. I would be a horrible parent. Like, godawful. I'm a passable uncle.

why does that man have bunny ears?

ahem... funky hairdo. :p

I can imagine being a parent being fun for the most part. What's more a frequent comment said of me is that I'd make a good parent. I'm far too care free. I can imagine a teenage daughter of mine yelling that she's going our now and doesn't know when she'll be back and slamming the door. Then me getting up and yelling up the street after her 'Make sure you don't get raped and murdered! I don't want to be dragged up to the police station to indentify your bedraggled cadaver! And I'm not coming to pick you up if you wind up in hospital getting your stomach pumped either!'

Then she'd reply 'I hate you! You're the worst family ever! I wish I was dead!'

To which I would reply 'Don't ever say that [child's name (Frances* if I'm in an evil mood at the time of her birth)]!... It's I wish I were dead! Bastard parents may last well into your 40s, but good grammar lasts a lifetime.'

*consider that Margaret has the nickname of Maggy. Now consider what Frances could be abbreviated to. Now consider that this word means something ruder in British English than it does in American English and that I live in Britain.

Chandelier, you want to adopt, when the best part about having kids is MAKING them? :D


I don't particularly want to adopt...but it's the whole "making them" part that makes me not want to have any children.

I don't particularly want to adopt...but it's the whole "making them" part that makes me not want to have any children.

Chandelier, if sex wasnt good, there wouldnt be millions of people doing it right now.

JuNii, good strip :D

*consider that Margaret has the nickname of Maggy. Now consider what Frances could be abbreviated to. Now consider that this word means something ruder in British English than it does in American English and that I live in Britain.

Oh! Fanny!

You could have just said; thinking about it probably took five years off my life.

I’d like to have kids someday, and I think I’d be a good parent, but I won’t. I’ve far too little faith in people and myself. I don’t think I could ever trust anyone to stick around or to have me around for at least eighteen years, and I wouldn’t want to be involved in adding another one-parent child to the world.

I can imagine being a parent being fun for the most part. What's more a frequent comment said of me is that I'd make a good parent. I'm far too care free. I can imagine a teenage daughter of mine yelling that she's going our now and doesn't know when she'll be back and slamming the door. Then me getting up and yelling up the street after her 'Make sure you don't get raped and murdered! I don't want to be dragged up to the police station to indentify your bedraggled cadaver! And I'm not coming to pick you up if you wind up in hospital getting your stomach pumped either!'

Then she'd reply 'I hate you! You're the worst family ever! I wish I was dead!'

To which I would reply 'Don't ever say that [child's name (Frances* if I'm in an evil mood at the time of her birth)]!... It's I wish I were dead! Bastard parents may last well into your 40s, but good grammar lasts a lifetime.'

*consider that Margaret has the nickname of Maggy. Now consider what Frances could be abbreviated to. Now consider that this word means something ruder in British English than it does in American English and that I live in Britain.


its when i say things like that to my son that he responds with "ya know mom, you have a heart of gold"

a sense of humor is sometimes the only thing that keeps you from killing them and telling the cops they moved to arizona.

a sense of humor is sometimes the only thing that keeps you from killing them and telling the cops they moved to arizona.

:D that's so true.

Chandelier, if sex wasnt good, there wouldnt be millions of people doing it right now.

JuNii, good strip :D

I understand that most people like that, but when you have no sex drive and no attraction towards people of either gender, it's not exactly something that you have any desire to do.

To which I would reply 'Don't ever say that [child's name (Frances* if I'm in an evil mood at the time of her birth)]!... It's I wish I were dead! Bastard parents may last well into your 40s, but good grammar lasts a lifetime.'

*consider that Margaret has the nickname of Maggy. Now consider what Frances could be abbreviated to. Now consider that this word means something ruder in British English than it does in American English and that I live in Britain.
I know two people called Frances. One of them is known as Frances, the other has the nickname Fran. Fanny is too contrived - the logical nickname (other than Fran) is Franny.

I know two people called Frances. One of them is known as Frances, the other has the nickname Fran. Fanny is too contrived - the logical nickname (other than Fran) is Franny.Hell, I'd only have to come to one parent's evening to ruin her life until she leaves school. I'd lose her deliberately and then call out my nickname for her as I seek to 'find' her again.

'Hello, do know where I can find Fanny in this school?'
'Fanny, where are you? Can some please help me find Fanny?'

Embaressing kids is so worth all the trauma they inflict on you throughout your life. It's not like they're ever going financially compensate you for it.

edit: The name Fanny is derived from Frances, so :p

its when i say things like that to my son that he responds with "ya know mom, you have a heart of gold"

a sense of humor is sometimes the only thing that keeps you from killing them and telling the cops they moved to arizona.If I had a kid like that I could probably die happy.

Realistically, yeah, I'm a good parent. But I always feel, and will continue to feel, that of course I could be doing better. There would really be no line I could reach that would indicate to me that no more improvement was needed.

Hell, I'd only have to come to one parent's evening to ruin her life until she leaves school. I'd lose her deliberately and then call out my nickname for her as I seek to 'find' her again.

'Hello, do know where I can find Fanny in this school?'
'Fanny, where are you? Can some please help me find Fanny?'

Embaressing kids is so worth all the trauma they inflict on you throughout your life. It's not like they're ever going financially compensate you for it.

edit: The name Fanny is derived from Frances, so :p
For the sake of unborn Fan...uh, Frances, I hope you never have kids. :p

What would you call your son?

No, wait, let me guess. Richard?

For the sake of unborn Fan...uh, Frances, I hope you never have kids. :p

What would you call your son?

No, wait, let me guess. Richard?I'm guessing what would happen is that my kids would all hate me, but their friends all love me (I seem to remember it being like that with my mother), or develop the ability to verbally and intelligently defend themselves. Which is why I responded to Ashmoria's post that I could die happy with a kid like that.

edit: Richard? Don't be so crass. I'd call him William. That's a much more up to date name.

I'm guessing what would happen is that my kids would all hate me, but their friends all love me (I seem to remember it being like that with my mother), or develop the ability to verbally and intelligently defend themselves. Which is why I responded to Ashmoria's post that I could die happy with a kid like that.

edit: Richard? Don't be so crass. I'd call him William. That's a much more up to date name.
Would you be one of those parents who wanted to know where their little Willy and Fanny were at all times?

I can't believe I'm posting this. Even on this forum.

Would you be one of those parents who wanted to know where their little Willy and Fanny were at all times?

I can't believe I'm posting this. Even on this forum.Most likely...

I have a friend whose brother brought a girlfriend and *ahem*, and a couple people walked past his room and heard. Subsquently it was first topic for dicussion at dinner time. I can't remember if the dad was cruel enough to invite the girl to stay for dinner. But needless to say he never brought a girlfriend round again.

I can imagine myself doing that.

Most likely...

I have a friend whose brother brought a girlfriend and *ahem*, and a couple people walked past his room and heard. Subsquently it was first topic for dicussion at dinner time. I can't remember if the dad was cruel enough to invite the girl to stay for dinner. But needless to say he never brought a girlfriend round again.

I can imagine myself doing that.

What? Being overheard, or being the father? ;)

Children are evil. :)

That would be the best option, but I thought that it was really hard to adopt a child and that they usually don't let a lone person adopt. But I don't think I'd make a good parent anyway. I'm pretty good at tutoring young students, but I don't think I'd be good at parenting, especially not alone (and there is no other option for me but alone). So it probably would not be the best idea.

Well, I hope (and I don't mean to sound rude) that a great guy changes your mind about the emotional side of things (because I know you're asexual, and we're born with what we are so that probably won't change) and helps you adopt and become the great mum that I thunk you could be :)

Chandelier, you want to adopt, when the best part about having kids is MAKING them? :D

Most people have interest in one or another sex, or both. Some don't. The latter is termed asexual, learn about it.

Do you have children? Are you a good parent?

Do you want children? Will you be a good parent?

I don't want to have children, but I doubt I would ever get the chance anyways, considering that I plan on never marrying (because of principle, not anything else). If I did get the chance, however, I'm fairly certain it wouldn't be with anyone I love.

I have a four year old with a girl whom wants nothing to do with it...

... then again, us both being 14 at the time didn't help. That, and I was struggling to convince myself I was gay (which I am...) so bah. :eek: I screwed up big time.

Realistically, yeah, I'm a good parent. But I always feel, and will continue to feel, that of course I could be doing better. There would really be no line I could reach that would indicate to me that no more improvement was needed.

I think that's the best sign of a great parent...one who knows that they have faults and flaws that need work, but overall, know they do good, and try to fix those flaws.

Realistically, yeah, I'm a good parent. But I always feel, and will continue to feel, that of course I could be doing better. There would really be no line I could reach that would indicate to me that no more improvement was needed.

From reading your posts over the years and getting a vague (because let's face it, that's all anyone gets) idea of your personality, I get the impression that you must be a fantastic parent.

(btw, how's your brother doing?)

Wait, what the hell? FASS wants children?! I...forgive me, but from his posts, I would have thought he'd hate the idea of having children.

Oh, I'd love to have kids. Every time I see my niece and nephew, I have the urge of never giving them back, because they're such great kids. Can't believe how much I love them to death...

Now that--the bit about being a great dad--I can definitely believe. I tell ya, whoever ends up being his kid will be a lucky kid.

I don't know what to say to that apart from thank you.

Don't really want children, they are my natural enemies. Probably will never have any.

I hope to have children and sincerely intend to do everything I can for them.
You can bring them up to hate the things you hate!

Oh, I'd love to have kids. Every time I see my niece and nephew, I have the urge of never giving them back, because they're such great kids. Can't believe how much I love them to death...



I don't know what to say to that apart from thank you.

I didn't know you were an uncle:eek:

lucky kids.

What? Being overheard, or being the father? ;)Both? Best way to gross out your kids is to be overheard...

What I've always found odd is that these families are some of the strongest you can get. When the real shit hits the fan all piss taking is dropped and they suddenly pull together as one big group. And the kids end up having a very strong sense of fairness as well. So yeah, kinda odd.

Most people have interest in one or another sex, or both. Some don't. The latter is termed asexual, learn about it.

I´ve learned about it, and readed about it.

In my opinion, "assexuals" are nothing but idiots that arent willing to deal with their sexual problems. Weak, if you will, because even if you dont want to have sex, you can still get pleasure out of it, and many other things.

Btw, Chandelier isnt assexual. She is 16.

I didn't know you were an uncle:eek:

No biggie, I just started a thread when the first one was born... ;)

lucky kids.

Unfortunately I don't have the best of contact with my sister and I live some 300-400 km away from them, so I only see them a three or four times a year. They grow so fast. :(

I have a four year old with a girl whom wants nothing to do with it...

... then again, us both being 14 at the time didn't help. That, and I was struggling to convince myself I was gay (which I am...) so bah. :eek: I screwed up big time.
Oh, wow. You really did, eh?

So is the kid living with you then? From the little I can tell online, you always struck me as someone who'd be a good dad. =)

Do you want children?

Too young to make that call.

Will you be a good parent?
Probably not.

But once they turn 15, i'll buy them alcohol and I won't spy on their internet history and stuff.


:p

But once they turn 15, i'll buy them alcohol and I won't spy on their internet history and stuff.


:p

Yes you will ;)

Yes you will ;)

Okay, but I won't object to it. :p

At least, I hope not...

In my opinion, "assexuals" are nothing but idiots that arent willing to deal with their sexual problems.

That says more about your own mental state than it could ever about asexuals.

Btw, Chandelier isnt assexual. She is 16.

There is no dichotomy between the two.

I´ve learned about it, and readed about it.

In my opinion, "assexuals" are nothing but idiots that arent willing to deal with their sexual problems. Weak, if you will, because even if you dont want to have sex, you can still get pleasure out of it, and many other things.

Btw, Chandelier isnt assexual. She is 16.Pfft, judgemental person.

I've experimented, I tried different things. But I've come to the conclusion that there are plenty of other things I'd rather be doing than having sex.

Well, I hope (and I don't mean to sound rude) that a great guy changes your mind about the emotional side of things (because I know you're asexual, and we're born with what we are so that probably won't change) and helps you adopt and become the great mum that I thunk you could be :)

Thank you. It's possible that that could happen, I guess. I'm not ruling that out entirely, but it just doesn't seem very likely.

I´ve learned about it, and readed about it.

In my opinion, "assexuals" are nothing but idiots that arent willing to deal with their sexual problems. Weak, if you will, because even if you dont want to have sex, you can still get pleasure out of it, and many other things.

Btw, Chandelier isnt assexual. She is 16.

I was under the impression that many sexual people were aware of there orientations by that age. Asexuality is another orientation, so why can't my orientation be accepted at my age? Or do you usually say about kids who start dating at my age or before, "Oh, they're not heterosexual. They're 16," or insert whichever orientation applies. I doubt that you do.

Will I be "allowed" to state that I'm asexual when I'm 25 and I've still not felt sexual attraction, or will I have to wait until I'm over 40 and still don't want sex before I can be accepted as asexual? Or will it never be accepted, not even then? Judging by your post, it seems like you would never accept it. Well, I'm not going to wait. I'm not going to live in hiding and pretend that I'm attracted to other people just because some people can't accept that not everyone has sexual desires and that asexuality is just another variation of diverse human sexuality.

I know that there's a possibility that I could be wrong about myself or that I could change, but I'd rather be something that fits me the way I am now and is right at the moment, and that likely will stay the same but that could be wrong someday, than pretend to be an orientation that has nothing to do with me and does not describe me now or at any point in my life and is completely wrong for me, but that could be right someday.

Okay, but I won't object to it. :p

At least, I hope not...
You'll probably be looking for tips...;)

You'll probably be looking for tips...;)

One would think that after some 6 years of practice my porn retrieval skills are more than up to scratch, thank you.

One would think that after some 6 years of practice my porn retrieval skills are more than up to scratch, thank you.
If you have kids (and so, one would assume, some sort of sexual relationship), you wouldn't need so much porn. You could be out of practice.

I have two, they're great, I've survived being a Dad. We're just limiting the fun to two kids, if you understand. :D

If you have kids (and so, one would assume, some sort of sexual relationship), you wouldn't need so much porn. You could be out of practice.

Oh, right, technicalities. I didn't think of that. :p

I don't have kids but I do want some but not for another 10 years at least. I think I'll be a good parent by giving them a lot of freedom but keeping them in line should they misbehave.

I hope to have children and sincerely intend to do everything I can for them.
You can bring them up to hate the things you hate!

tell that to the dads of the 60s who watched their sons grow long hair, listen to rock and roll, and protest the war.

kids have minds of their own. sometimes they end up being just the kinds of kids you hated when you were their age. the geeky man has a son who ends up as captain of the football team. the former hippy woman has a daughter for whom life will not be complete unless she gets to be homecoming queen. sure they might still hate the new york yankees but i assumed you were going for deeper than that.

Oh, wow. You really did, eh?

So is the kid living with you then? From the little I can tell online, you always struck me as someone who'd be a good dad. =)Yeah he is. In the mornings he stays with my mom and at night he's back here with me.

They were horrible circumstances, but I couldn't imagine life without him now. He brings me such joy and happiness.

I don't want to have children. I like working with children, but I don't like any of the processes for getting children.

What's wrong with adoption?

What's wrong with adoption?

Nothing. I've answered this earlier.

That would be the best option, but I thought that it was really hard to adopt a child and that they usually don't let a lone person adopt. But I don't think I'd make a good parent anyway. I'm pretty good at tutoring young students, but I don't think I'd be good at parenting, especially not alone (and there is no other option for me but alone). So it probably would not be the best idea.

No biggie, I just started a thread when the first one was born... ;)oh.....:(

haha...my bad.



Unfortunately I don't have the best of contact with my sister and I live some 300-400 km away from them, so I only see them a three or four times a year. They grow so fast. :(
That they do. But just wait untill you get to be the cool uncle when they hate their parents. I get to do the same for all my little 2nd cousins.

I'd be an abysmal parent. I'm too damn selfish by half, given that I'd have children if they were born at about 16, and thus I missed out the boring bits.

I didn't know you were an uncle:eek:

lucky kids.

Has anybody ever heard of the gay uncle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Sexual_orientation_and_evolution)theory?
Because it's just too awesome of a reference to pass up.

I plan to have kids (maybe one is enough) when I'm around 32. I'll always strive to make them feel that they're accountable for what they do, either good or bad; I believe it's better if they understand that what they do has worse consequences other than simply getting smacked.

Do you want children? Will you be a good parent?
No, and probably not, considering I don't want them.

I know I wouldn't be a good parent if I were forced to be one when I didn't want to be. If, however, my feelings were to change, and I someday decide I want to be a parent, I think I've got a pretty decent shot at being a good parent. My own parents were terrific role models.