NationStates Jolt Archive

He should be a candidate for the Darwin Award.

The only thing you need to know about a firearm is that you stay away from the end where the bullets come out.

If you do this, you won't shoot yourself.

Speaking from experience, it's almost impossible to try to cock the Minimi AND be in front of the muzzle at the same time. You would have to stomp the cocking lever with your foot, or be someone of exceptional strength.

It's designed so that you get the best leverage while you are BEHIND the gun.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/nsoldier112.xml

Don't give me the crap about "training". If he was so stupid he couldn't keep away from the muzzle end of his own weapon, he shouldn't have been allowed out of the house.

What kind of idiot cocks any weapon, let alone a MACHINE GUN, while pointing the barrel at themselves?

God, idiots...

What kind of idiot cocks any weapon, let alone a MACHINE GUN, while pointing the barrel at themselves?

God, idiots...

well, judging by the article from the OP, that guy.

that guy was alnce corporal too he was trained well he mustve been fuckin stupid drunk and retarded.

It's really pretty simple to avoid jamming gun deaths, especially because the gun fires in one direction, and its pretty easy to tell which direction that is.

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so dont stand in that general direction when trying to unjam a gun. in fact, dont stand in that general direction in respect to a gun in non-combat situations EVER.

Speaking from experience, it's almost impossible to try to cock the Minimi AND be in front of the muzzle at the same time. You would have to stomp the cocking lever with your foot, or be someone of exceptional strength.

I can't even imagine how you'd manage that. I've only handled the 249 a handful of times (they aren't in a scout platoon's TO&E) but I know how difficult that would be. Also, there's the whole "fucking with a loaded weapon and being on the end that goes bang" thing.

I can't even imagine how you'd manage that. I've only handled the 249 a handful of times (they aren't in a scout platoon's TO&E) but I know how difficult that would be. Also, there's the whole "fucking with a loaded weapon and being on the end that goes bang" thing.

there was actually a kid at my high school that died when his little bro shot him because he didnt know there was a bullet in the gun.

a) dont let small kids handle guns, ever
b) CLEAR YOUR GUN BEFORE CLEANING IT! you dont know how many people make this silly mistake... some even forget to do a chamber check
c) dont walk away from the gun when others are in the room while you are cleaning the gun without saying something to stop them from playing with it
d) PUT THE G'DAMN SAFETY ON!!!

there was actually a kid at my high school that died when his little bro shot him because he didnt know there was a bullet in the gun.

a) dont let small kids handle guns, ever
b) CLEAR YOUR GUN BEFORE CLEANING IT! you dont know how many people make this silly mistake... some even forget to do a chamber check
c) dont walk away from the gun when others are in the room while you are cleaning the gun without saying something to stop them from playing with it
d) PUT THE G'DAMN SAFETY ON!!!

E)Never store the bullets with the gun.
F)Get a bloody trigger lock.
G)The Closet is not a good place to store a gun.
H)Teach your kids about gun safety early on. I took firearm safety at 8, and my dad taught me about it at 6.

Just some additives.

E)Never store the bullets with the gun.
F)Get a bloody trigger lock.
G)The Closet is not a good place to store a gun.
H)Teach your kids about gun safety early on. I took firearm safety at 8, and my dad taught me about it at 6.

Just some additives.

I) Clean the gun often so it doesn't jam or need a huge repair.
J) Use ammunition actually designed to work with the gun, not cheap knockoffs.
K) Make sure you keep the firing mechanisms in good shape to prevent misfiring.
L) DON'T RUN WITH A LOADED GUN. (i've actually heard the story of a genius who did that with a shotgun...)

as an addendum to H), take firearms safety courses yourself to get savvy on how to use your own gun. Oh, and go to a firing range once in a while, too.

b) CLEAR YOUR GUN BEFORE CLEANING IT! you dont know how many people make this silly mistake... some even forget to do a chamber check

I've seen something even sillier happen. When I was in the Army in Germany in 2002 we were doing guard duty at the military housing area. When we changed guard shifts we'd clear our weapons and hand our magazines over to the incoming guards. For some stupid reason division sent down these standardized clearing procedures and insisted that at the end you dry fire your weapon into a clearing barrel. So one day a guy in my platoon was clearing his weapon as usual. He locked the bolt to the rear, inspected the chamber, put the bolt forward and dry fired his weapon. The problem was that he forgot to drop the magazine and he didn't "dry fire" it, he actually fired it at 5:00am as the Brigade Command Sergeant Major was having breakfast in his house, 3 houses down. The CSM decided to come out and investigate, and that guy ended up getting extra duty and restriction to post for 45 days.

I've seen something even sillier happen. When I was in the Army in Germany in 2002 we were doing guard duty at the military housing area. When we changed guard shifts we'd clear our weapons and hand our magazines over to the incoming guards. For some stupid reason division sent down these standardized clearing procedures and insisted that at the end you dry fire your weapon into a clearing barrel. So one day a guy in my platoon was clearing his weapon as usual. He locked the bolt to the rear, inspected the chamber, put the bolt forward and dry fired his weapon. The problem was that he forgot to drop the magazine and he didn't "dry fire" it, he actually fired it at 5:00am as the Brigade Command Sergeant Major was having breakfast in his house, 3 houses down. The CSM decided to come out and investigate, and that guy ended up getting extra duty and restriction to post for 45 days.

"Well, THERE'S your problem!"

anyway: dry firing a non-rimfire gun? not a good idea...

I) Clean the gun often so it doesn't jam or need a huge repair.
J) Use ammunition actually designed to work with the gun, not cheap knockoffs.
K) Make sure you keep the firing mechanisms in good shape to prevent misfiring.
L) DON'T RUN WITH A LOADED GUN. (i've actually heard the story of a genius who did that with a shotgun...)

M)Never point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot.
N)Never do a "barrel check" unless you have dismantled the gun, or are 150% sure the gun is not loaded(As in, it is not cocked, the firing mechanism is disabled, etc).
O)Never, under any circumstances, wave a gun around.
P)Always make sure of where you are shooting. A bullet can travel for well over a couple miles, and a misplaced shot can easily kill someone you had no idea was anywhere near you.


The list just goes on. Most of it common sense.

Common sense is obviously not always common, nor is it always sense.

There's a reason why the phrase "So easy, a caveman could do it" was coined...

anyway: dry firing a non-rimfire gun? not a good idea...

Quite. From what I understand our battalion commander complained to the brigade commander, but we were told to keep doing it and our platoon leader had a rather annoying habit of ensuring stupid shit like that was followed. It sure pissed our armorer off.

Quite. From what I understand our battalion commander complained to the brigade commander, but we were told to keep doing it and our platoon leader had a rather annoying habit of ensuring stupid shit like that was followed. It sure pissed our armorer off.

oh, i would bet after tearing into a few dozen trigger/firing mechanisms constantly due to dry fire damage, yeah, id think the armorer might be just a little angry.

though i havent exactly seen the effects of dry fire on military spec weapons, to be honest...

Common sense is obviously not always common, nor is it always sense.

There's a reason why the phrase "So easy, a caveman could do it" was coined...

A caveman would have more sense than half the current human population. If not more.

oh, i would bet after tearing into a few dozen trigger/firing mechanisms constantly due to dry fire damage, yeah, id think the armorer might be just a little angry.

though i havent exactly seen the effects of dry fire on military spec weapons, to be honest...

It isn't nearly as bad as with civilian weapons, but our armorer had well over 300 weapons to take care of. He also had almost as many night vision sights, GPSs and other assorted crap to take care of, so any extra work was a lot more than he wanted.

edit: Now that I think about it just about everything pissed him off. Being an armorer sucks.

It isn't nearly as bad as with civilian weapons, but our armorer had well over 300 weapons to take care of. He also had almost as many night vision sights, GPSs and other assorted crap to take care of, so any extra work was a lot more than he wanted.

... especially if it has to do with something thats really a no-brainer. like dry firing your gun after clearing it. makes so much sense.

next we'll have our bombers try to re-unload their bombs after dropping them while the bomb doors are still open, just to make sure there arent any left. :rolleyes:

I would have thought that a lance-corporal would have more than enough weapons experience for this sort of incident to never occur.

"kick it with his foot"

Is there any other way to kick something?

Maybe it was suicide?

Maybe it was suicide?

That's what I thought, but unless his sergeant was also suicidal...

That's what I thought, but unless his sergeant was also suicidal...

Well his sergeant could've been his gay lover and it was one of those "murder/suicide" love pact.

Well his sergeant could've been his gay lover and it was one of those "murder/suicide" love pact.

I can buy that.

I can buy that.

My brain for some reason always take the strangest routes when looking at something like this.

And this is why all guns must be banned.

My brain for some reason always take the strangest routes when looking at something like this.

Yeah, I have that too with some things.